Why are only pro-communist comments allowed on this forum ? [Archive]

CommieTroll

4th September 2011, 18:22

Because this is a place where Leftists can discuss politics, philosophy and other things. We have too many trolls here and it just gets annoying, non communists or non leftists can post in Opposing Ideologies but within reason, if you have a valid point that's fine but just don't turn it into an anti-communist rant where you don't listen to reason.
Isn't everyone like that? Telling from your username you're probably an anti-communist so would you not kept lecturing you? If you are interested in learning about leftism even to just get a basic understanding of Marxism then I suggest going to http://marxists.org/ there's a lot of free reading material by Marx, Lenin, Rosa Luxembourg, Trotsky, Che Guevara and many more Marxists.http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ The starting point to any left learner. Mainly most of the people here are tired of the same arguments against Communism that have no intellectual basis such as ''It works on paper but not in theory'' & ''It's human nature''.
If you are a troll then leave and never come back but if you are a genuine leftist or left learner then welcome

Spets

4th September 2011, 18:24

Scumfront usually only accepts trolls!
(link)

That scared the shit out of me. :laugh:

DarkPast

4th September 2011, 22:09

What does the OP mean by "freedom" anyway?

Freedom is an abstract concept, it means nothing in itself. A good analogy is a hole in a wall. A hole by itself is nothing; but it is determined by its surroundings. If there were nothing around the hole, there would be no hole. Same goes for freedom.

Not that this matters, because the OP is most likely a troll, judging by his/her username.

ZeroNowhere

4th September 2011, 22:22

Because communism is oppressive and we want to oppress you.

Bud Struggle

4th September 2011, 22:27

Communists talk about freedom, but they want to oppress anything that goes against their ideology.

Pshaw! I post here all of the time and I'm hardly pro Communist.

Dzerzhinsky's Ghost

4th September 2011, 22:28

Communists talk about freedom, but they want to oppress anything that goes against their ideology.

This is probably due to the fact that we're Collectivist-Totalitarians; toe the line or you will be silenced or at best be sent to Siberia.

Leonid Brozhnev

5th September 2011, 00:42

'I was restricted on an online forum, help, help, I'm being oppressed!'

Column No.4

5th September 2011, 00:49

I agree with RedFlags, the left is supposed to be about discussion and ive recieved, on several occaisions, personal attacks from other members. At least one person seems to think i need to be restricted because i didnt submit to his particular belief on a particular subject.

Misanthrope

5th September 2011, 03:08

Judging an ideology by the way an internet forum is run. :rolleyes:

AmericanCommie421

5th September 2011, 03:16

Yeah, a lot of real Communists and other leftists want freedom, incuding for people with different opinions. But, since this is a forum for discussing leftist politics, history, ideas, etc. mainly, it's obvious. And that's why the OI section is here. Not to mention this site has people of different ideologies including people who may fake being a Socialist, Communist, Anarchist, etc. to learn more about it or discuss it.

NGNM85

5th September 2011, 03:48

Because this is a place where Leftists can discuss politics, philosophy and other things. We have too many trolls here and it just gets annoying, non communists or non leftists can post in Opposing Ideologies but within reason, if you have a valid point that's fine but just don't turn it into an anti-communist rant where you don't listen to reason.

You can be a Radical Leftist, even a fairly orthodox one, for lack of a better term, and still get Restricted. I happen to know a thing or two about that.

Mainly most of the people here are tired of the same arguments against Communism that have no intellectual basis such as ''It works on paper but not in theory'' & ''It's human nature''.
If you are a troll then leave and never come back but if you are a genuine leftist or left learner then welcome

I don't find this pursuasive, at all. I think this could be managed fairly effectively without Restricting, or Banning everyone under the sun. We could just step up enforcement on Trolling. Say, for example, there's a thread on Dialectical Materialism, (Which is total nonsense, BTW.) obviously that isn't the place for comments like; 'ZOMG You crazy commies!' That's not relevent to the subject at hand. That person can be warned, or whatever, and sent on their merry way. However; I don't see any reason why anyone who is willing to conduct themselves in a reasonably civil manner and engage in topical, substantive conversation, shouldn't be able to do so.

ÑóẊîöŉ

5th September 2011, 05:22

Are Americans still the majority of internet users? because I imagine restriction came about in a time when that was the case. I suspect the site staff of the time got sick and tired of variations along the theme of "LoL commynism doesnt woerk bcoz Reagan kicked stalins azz!!111!!11!!!".

Princess Luna

5th September 2011, 08:27

There is a conservative catholic forum that I occainally poke around on and they allow anybody (including athiests) to post anywhere on their site provided they remain civil, but forums like that are very rare. Almost all forums devoted to a certain political viewpoint (be it, communist, fascist, conservative or liberal) ethier ban opposing view points outright or only allow people who hold them to post in a specific area (like Revleft does)

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 14:32

PhoenixAsh

8th September 2011, 15:24

I was restricted for agreeing with another member that i to had entertained enlisting in the military, saw nothing wrong with spanking and subscribing to the "he who doesnt work, doesnt eat" philosophy. What doesnt seem to get you restricted are foul mouthed personal attacks and advocating violence towards another member.

I am going to correct you on this untill you get it. See personal mentorship...now WHAt forum would offer its members that... ;):cool:

You were NOT restricted for entertaining the idea of joining (not btw the military) but the French Foreign Legion.

You were restricted for your body of opinions on several issues:

glorifying the legion.
denial of imperialist nature of the LE (FFL) and military in general.
denial of imperialism existing and that the wars are just for liberating people out of the kindness of the heart
advocating violence
stating that you saw nothing wrong with earning money by killing others
denial that the army and its non combat subunits exist to keeping the fighting machine and thereby the killing going.
advocating severe child abuse...please do not forget your advocacy of severe childabuse. NOT spanking children...but beating and whipping children as a valid part of the upbringing.
your denial that capitalism is the primary root cause of societal problems
your position on the American working class
your willingness to betray the working class for your self advancement in society
your belegerent attitude and your agressiveness and hostility to opposing ideas...(o yeah...you started it)....which was borderline trolling.

And...did I mention...WHIPPING AND BEATING CHILDREN

So no...you were NOT restricted for what you claim your were restricted for. And yes...your restriction means we have given you an opportunity to learn and still keep posting on the board. So your opinions are not silenced...they are merely directed to an area where people are not constantly having to battle your reactionary positions on a site which really is meant as a place for the revolutionary left...and not for crypto radical left wing reactionaries. But who knows...maybe if, as you claim, that was a wrong assessment and you show that we were wrong in that opinion of you...you will be unrestricted. So no need to be angry.

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 15:30

I am going to correct you on this untill you get it. See personal mentorship...now WHAt forum would offer its members that... ;):cool:

You were NOT restricted for entertaining the idea of joining (not btw the military) but the French Foreign Legion.

You were restricted for your body of opinions on several issues:

glorifying the legion.
denial of imperialist nature of the LE (FFL) and military in general.
denial of imperialism existing and that the wars are just for liberating people out of the kindness of the heart
advocating violence
stating that you saw nothing wrong with earning money by killing others
denial that the army and its non combat subunits exist to keeping the fighting machine and thereby the killing going.
advocating severe child abuse...please do not forget your advocacy of severe childabuse. NOT spanking children...but beating and whipping children as a valid part of the upbringing.
your denial that capitalism is the primary root cause of societal problems
your position on the American working class
your willingness to betray the working class for your self advancement in society
your belegerent attitude and your agressiveness and hostility to opposing ideas...(o yeah...you started it)....which was borderline trolling.
And...did I mention...WHIPPING AND BEATING CHILDREN

So no...you were NOT restricted for what you claim your were restricted for. And yes...your restriction means we have given you an opportunity to learn and still keep posting on the board. So your opinions are not silenced...they are merely directed to an area where people are not constantly having to battle your reactionary positions on a site which really is meant as a place for the revolutionary left...and not for crypto radical left wing reactionaries. But who knows...maybe if, as you claim, that was a wrong assessment and you show that we were wrong in that opinion of you...you will be unrestricted. So no need to be angry.

All of that is a crock and you bloody well know it, i did none the aformentioned. I glorified no one, denied no imperialism, never said making money by killing was ok, never denied the army was a killing machine, never once advocated beating children, the only thing i absolved Capitalism of was ones individual acts of vandalism, please explain to me my position on the working class and you dare lecture me about aggressiveness and hostility when ive havent sworn once, threatened no one and made not a single personal attack! I was wrong, this site is no different from Stormfront or any other right wing forum when coming into contact with slight opposition.

PhoenixAsh

8th September 2011, 16:04

All of that is a crock and you bloody well know it, i did none the aformentioned. I glorified no one, denied no imperialism, never said making money by killing was ok, never denied the army was a killing machine, never once advocated beating children, the only thing i absolved Capitalism of was ones individual acts of vandalism, please explain to me my position on the working class and you dare lecture me about aggressiveness and hostility when ive havent sworn once, threatened no one and made not a single personal attack! I was wrong, this site is no different from Stormfront or any other right wing forum when coming into contact with slight opposition.

I really dont like to do this...since you know damned well what you have said. But hey...you asked for it

On the LE:

If it makes any difference im in it for the fight, something the left doesnt seem willing to do.

A. I love a good fight, the Legion fights.

You see nothing wrong with joining an imperialist structure and killing others...because you love a good fight. For you killing people in imperialist wars is just another job...one which you admit you love.

Now,...this advocacy of violence can not be seen seperately from your advocacy of violence in upbringing.

Id like to hear some current proof of French colonialism. Theyre no longer in Algeria, the Legions home, theyre no longer in Indochina, theyre no longer in Cote D'ivoire, , theyre no longer in Morocco and theyre no longer in Djibouti, and if they are its because theyve been asked to do so merely as peacekeepers.

You conveniently ignored my post explaining what France was actually doing there and why the French were asked to be peacekeepers in the first place....these were facts to show you that that had nothing at all to do with merely being peacekeepers...and everything to do with Frances relations with the ones who they are keeping the peace for and the ones who they help supress (you know...the legitimately elected democratic representatives who actually won the elections but are not pro-France)...not to mention the fact that the government who requested the LE being active was the one who started the fucking violence in the first place.

If you want to include Iraq and Afghanistan as colonialism then that makes a large part of the world colonialist. Kosovo, peacekeeping after the ethnic cleansing, im still researching on the Chad issue, and i already told you they were asking to intervene in the killing in Cote D'ivoire. I didnt even mention saving countless people in Zaire. Im not painting the Legion as the hand of god reaching down to protect those that cant protect themselves but i also know its not the same Legion that accepted SS into its ranks either.

Yes...they actually are the exact same legion. And they are the hand of Frances imperialist aspirations.

And yes...Iraq and Afghanisatn are imperialist endeavors and have nothing to do with peacekeeping or bringing freedom.

And yes...most of the world suffers from imperialist aspirations and under its joke. IF you were truely understanding and committed to the revolutionary cause...you would not deny this.

What i see in the Legion is the camaraderie that i thought the US military had but turned out not to.

Glorification. Especially in the light of the entire debate. Its not an imperialist repressive force...and its a club of camaraderie and brotherhood...and its just another job...one which you love doing.

I also detest the comparison of the current Legion to Blackwater, the Legion of the past perphaps.

.....

Yes, because every job in the military pertains to killing.

Yes...in fact...every job in the military pertains to keeping the military doing what it needs to do: kill. This is prety much established military doctrine.

and if i could become a cop i would. Like i said I entertained the thought

LOVE this statement personally.

On child abuse:

Theres entire generations that were spanked, whipped, etc. during their childhood and theyre perfectly fine and if the child dies then the physical punishment isnt the problem its the parents serious lack of self control. I wouldnt hesitate to swat my kid, im more and more for physical punishment the more and more i see how badly behaved the current generation is.

yeah...kinda speaks for itself

But I need to make one adjustment there...after several pages of arguments against your statement....you came out with this gem...

I dont believe beating your child works but spanking, whipping, etc. has done alright.

So I stand corrected on the beating part...you appear to have changed your mind on the beating thingy....but not on the whipping part.

So yeah...sorry...thanx for playing.

Thirsty Crow

8th September 2011, 16:28

There's some nuggets of wisdom.
I suppose this forum should only restrict fascists according to whiners such as our potential cop/soldier.

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 16:43

I really dont like to do this...since you know damned well what you have said. But hey...you asked for it

On the LE:

You see nothing wrong with joining an imperialist structure and killing others...because you love a good fight. For you killing people in imperialist wars is just another job...one which you admit you love.

Now,...this advocacy of violence can not be seen seperately from your advocacy of violence in upbringing.

You conveniently ignored my post explaining what France was actually doing there and why the French were asked to be peacekeepers in the first place....these were facts to show you that that had nothing at all to do with merely being peacekeepers...and everything to do with Frances relations with the ones who they are keeping the peace for and the ones who they help supress (you know...the legitimately elected democratic representatives who actually won the elections but are not pro-France)...not to mention the fact that the government who requested the LE being active was the one who started the fucking violence in the first place.

Yes...they actually are the exact same legion. And they are the hand of Frances imperialist aspirations.

And yes...Iraq and Afghanisatn are imperialist endeavors and have nothing to do with peacekeeping or bringing freedom.

And yes...most of the world suffers from imperialist aspirations and under its joke. IF you were truely understanding and committed to the revolutionary cause...you would not deny this.

Glorification. Especially in the light of the entire debate. Its not an imperialist repressive force...and its a club of camaraderie and brotherhood...and its just another job...one which you love doing.

.....

Yes...in fact...every job in the military pertains to keeping the military doing what it needs to do: kill. This is prety much established military doctrine.

LOVE this statement personally.

On child abuse:

yeah...kinda speaks for itself

But I need to make one adjustment there...after several pages of arguments against your statement....you came out with this gem...

So I stand corrected on the beating part...you appear to have changed your mind on the beating thingy....but not on the [B]whipping part.

So yeah...sorry...thanx for playing.

I love the way everyone cherry picks certain bits out of conversations then uses them out of context to support their side of a debate. Good on ya, A for effort.

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 16:45

There's some nuggets of wisdom.
I suppose this forum should only restrict fascists according to whiners such as our potential cop/soldier.

Hey, when i was ten i wanted to be the rich owner of my own business, i suppose i was reactionary then as well, since i entertained the thought. Thoughts are as bad actions i suppose?

#FF0000

8th September 2011, 16:53

Hey, when i was ten i wanted to be the rich owner of my own business, i suppose i was reactionary then as well, since i entertained the thought. Thoughts are as bad actions i suppose?

being a-okay with joining the military is kind of problematic for someone reppin leftism

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 16:54

being a-okay with joining the military is kind of problematic for someone reppin leftism

I said its an option, sorry i dont completely rule something out as soon as ive chosen the other side.

#FF0000

8th September 2011, 17:05

I said its an option, sorry i dont completely rule something out as soon as ive chosen the other side.

i'm not saying that tho

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 17:16

i'm not saying that tho

That is exactly what everyone that has railed against me has said, that me entertaining the thought is equivalent to me actually doing it. Adhere to that rule and i could be considered reactionary because i wanted to be president when i was ten.

No_Leaders

8th September 2011, 18:35

That is exactly what everyone that has railed against me has said, that me entertaining the thought is equivalent to me actually doing it. Adhere to that rule and i could be considered reactionary because i wanted to be president when i was ten.

It has nothing to do with that and you know damn well it doesn't. I think if you merely look at the posts in which you reply it's obvious. The things that comrade here quoted still speaks for itself with or without seeing the responses to your arguments. You threw around the idea, fine! Once we told you the various reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea, you try to justify how it is acceptable to go join a military apparatus and kill. You need a new pot to piss in since your old pot is dirty! It's one thing if you're ignorant and just don't know any better. Obviously you know it goes against your beliefs (though i really doubt you're leftist in one bit) so why would you continue to try and justify it?

And you support child abuse let's not forget that.

You said you enjoy a good fight and you wanna join the legion cause they fight. War is unacceptable and an ugly thing. I highly doubt you'd want to go around massacring people for a paycheck paid for by the French. But hey! i guess if it affords you a new shiny pot you can piss in, you're all for it eh?

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 18:43

It has nothing to do with that and you know damn well it doesn't. I think if you merely look at the posts in which you reply it's obvious. The things that comrade here quoted still speaks for itself with or without seeing the responses to your arguments. You threw around the idea, fine! Once we told you the various reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea, you try to justify how it is acceptable to go join a military apparatus and kill. You need a new pot to piss in since your old pot is dirty! It's one thing if you're ignorant and just don't know any better. Obviously you know it goes against your beliefs (though i really doubt you're leftist in one bit) so why would you continue to try and justify it?

And you support child abuse let's not forget that.

You said you enjoy a good fight and you wanna join the legion cause they fight. War is unacceptable and an ugly thing. I highly doubt you'd want to go around massacring people for a paycheck paid for by the French. But hey! i guess if it affords you a new shiny pot you can piss in, you're all for it eh?

Fine, you think its a good idea, i entertained the idea, conversation over, however you continued by going into how im a reactionary, fascist, anti working class and even some insults and personal attacks. You dont think its an option, i think its an option, we disagree on something, fine, however im not campaigning for your restriction or banning because you disagree with me. Im not going to dignify your statement about the so called child abuse because ive never supported child abuse, simple as that. As for your last little rant im not going to dignify that with a response either, mainly because ive already gone into that multiple times with multiple people.

PhoenixAsh

8th September 2011, 20:19

I love the way everyone cherry picks certain bits out of conversations then uses them out of context to support their side of a debate. Good on ya, A for effort.

Thank you :-) I love A's.

Kind of disappointed I didn't get a sticker or gold star though... :-( I just have to try harder.

Well...as far as cherry picking goes....that was about 50% of the posts you made in that thread. If we correct for the posts that came down to: ah personal insults directed at me....it was about 66% I Indeed left some out since they were basically a bit repetative...or were needing context to understand simply because they replied to a post.

And to reitterate: you were not restricted for entertaining the idea. You were restricted for how you defended that entertainment of your idea. Plus...offcourse the child abuse thing. And some other stuff as well.

Column No.4

8th September 2011, 20:31

Thank you :-) I love A's.

Kind of disappointed I didn't get a sticker or gold star though... :-( I just have to try harder.

Well...as far as cherry picking goes....that was about 50% of the posts you made in that thread. If we correct for the posts that came down to: ah personal insults directed at me....it was about 66% I Indeed left some out since they were basically a bit repetative...or were needing context to understand simply because they replied to a post.

And to reitterate: you were not restricted for entertaining the idea. You were restricted for how you defended that entertainment of your idea. Plus...offcourse the child abuse thing. And some other stuff as well.

How about a nobel prize? How do you expect me not to defend thinking of any kind? Again, i never said i was pro child abuse. As for the other stuff im guessing you mean my "he who doesnt work, doesnt eat" statement and not thinking the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is equivalent to apartheid?

PhoenixAsh

8th September 2011, 21:36

How about a nobel prize?

Well..thats...overdoing it a bit...but sure..hell why not?!

How do you expect me not to defend thinking of any kind? Again, i never said i was pro child abuse. As for the other stuff im guessing you mean my "he who doesnt work, doesnt eat" statement and not thinking the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is equivalent to apartheid?

Amongst others.

But whipping is pretty much considered child abuse....

PhoenixAsh

8th September 2011, 21:42

I think the best advice I can give you right now is to take a deep breat. Step away from these debates about your restriction. And start over in OI. That way..you can show that we made a mistake. Because right now...you are only digging yourself further into the hole...

Revolution starts with U

8th September 2011, 22:04

It's funny, cuz I bet you had no problem with the restriction policy BEFORE you were on the receiving end of it.

Martin Blank

8th September 2011, 22:18

Why are only pro-communist (and pro-anarchist) comments allowed on this forum?

For the same reason that:

Democratic Underground bans those critical of the Democratic Party
Free Republic bans those critical of the Republican Party
Stormfront bans those critical of fascism
4chan bans those with more than three functioning brain cells

That said, the difference between RevLeft and those other forums is that we provide this space for you to piss and moan about your precious "fweedums" being infringed upon, and the other forums don't.

Why don't you take your ass over to one of those forums and complain?

NGNM85

9th September 2011, 02:02

For the same reason that:

Democratic Underground bans those critical of the Democratic Party
Free Republic bans those critical of the Republican Party
Stormfront bans those critical of fascism
4chan bans those with more than three functioning brain cells
That said, the difference between RevLeft and those other forums is that we provide this space for you to piss and moan about your precious "fweedums" being infringed upon, and the other forums don't.

Why don't you take your ass over to one of those forums and complain?

I just read Democratic Underground's forum rules, which only technically prohibit Republicans, and other Right-wingers from posting, or, rather from making explicitly Right-wing or pro-Republican posts. At just a cursory glance I found threads and posts critical of both the Democratic party, and specific Democrats, by Progressives and Liberals without any infractions. I have not looked at Free Republic, or Stormfront.

The bigger point is that this is bad logic. Just because other people are doing it wrong doesn't mean we have to, as well.

Le Socialiste

9th September 2011, 04:12

I think the fact that this is a forum for the revolutionary left answers your question. :rolleyes:

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 09:39

This is a site for what is generally considered the revolutionary left. I do not mind there being sections for users who do not belong to the revolutionary left but the site's purpose is to facilitate debate for a group of more or less like minded people and share information about the subjects which are relevant to their ideology and for honestly developing and willing to learn newbie members to this revolutionary spectrum.

Everything else has their own secion within the forum. Not because the forum denies them their ideology but it denies them the possibility to clutter up debates with continuous interjections of counter views which then need to be adressed at the expense of the debate itself. We are confronted with those views in our daily lives enough already and we just want to cut them out of the equation on the general board not to mention that allowing multiple viewpoints will make it extremely hard for newbie members to discern what is truely revolutionary leftist thought and correct information or what is just another repetition of what is being constantly bombarded to us through the burgeoisie media.

We can haggle over what defines the revolutionary left and what does not. We can haggle over what constitutes derailment and if this would always be the case or that there are occasions in which it can indeed enhance a debate by interjecting multiple or contrary viewpoints...but the fact of the matter is...that's what OI is for.

Nobody except fascists and rape apologists are downright denied a platform here. But some platforms are limited in their access to the board.

Again...this is not a general political discussion board. That is not its intend and its purpose. We have enough of those already.

For me that means the restriction policy and OI section are not a point which is in dispute as general concepts. Do I think we could debate improving these two? Absolutely...there is always room for improvement. So for me personally...the debate wether or not we should restrict people is a foregone conclusion. How we restrict and unrestrict people is a different matter.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 14:07

Well..thats...overdoing it a bit...but sure..hell why not?!

Amongst others.

But whipping is pretty much considered child abuse....

So restricting differen opinions on certain subjects. As far as the whipping you do know when i said that i didnt literally mean whipping?

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 14:09

It's funny, cuz I bet you had no problem with the restriction policy BEFORE you were on the receiving end of it.

Commons sense told me that one would get restricted for trolling, calling for the death of Israel simply because theyre Jews, blaming all crime on minorities, crap like that.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 14:10

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 14:25

So youre "leftist" forum is in fact no different from the right wing and neo nazi ones?

Are you now trying to link common house rule policy with political ideology to somehow infer something?

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 14:31

So restricting differen opinions on certain subjects. As far as the whipping you do know when i said that i didnt literally mean whipping?

Didn't you also suggest that the death of a child was no problem but for the selfcontrol of parents? So this is a huge cop out.

Whipping has a specific meaning in all languages and especially in context of punitative measures. If you didn't mean it then why the hell did you use this vey specific and distinct word several times in concert with the terms beating and spanking? Even after being confronted with it?
Clearly you made a distinction between the three...so you know you didn't somehow mix them up or use them as synonyms.

So no...do not believe you for a second that that very late clarification was somehow genuine.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 14:34

Are you now trying to link common house rule policy with political ideology to somehow infer something?

Well right wing sites restrict or ban anyone that is anything other than staunchly right wing, RevLeft does the same when it comes to being staunchly left wing. Sounds like right wing sites adhering to their fascism and left wing sites parading as left wing but embracing a right wing level tolerance. In fact that would make this site worse than my posts, left wing in some areas and fascist in others.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 14:40

Didn't you also suggest that the death of a child was no problem but for the selfcontrol of parents? So this is a huge cop out.

Whipping has a specific meaning in all languages and especially in context of punitative measures. If you didn't mean it then why the hell did you use this vey specific and distinct word several times in concert with the terms beating and spanking? Even after being confronted with it?
Clearly you made a distinction between the three...so you know you didn't somehow mix them up or use them as synonyms.

So no...do not believe you for a second that that very late clarification was somehow genuine.

If a parent beats their child to death thats a parent with a serious lack of self control. No, whipping doesnt have one specific meaning unless you are thick, whipping can mean literal whipping with a whip or it can mean spanking with a hand, switch, spoon, spatula or whatever instrument people recieved spankings with. I never proclaimed to be for beating your child, you will find that nowhere in any of my posts. I agreed with spanking or whipping, whipping being within the context of the aformentioned, and disagreed with beating. Another nice try at twisting my words.

RED DAVE

9th September 2011, 14:58

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 15:03

The way you write, twisting your words is an improvement.

:D

RED DAVE

Nice usage of "im rubber, youre glue".

RED DAVE

9th September 2011, 15:22

Well right wing sites restrict or ban anyone that is anything other than staunchly right wing, RevLeft does the same when it comes to being stanchly left wing.Correct.

Sounds like right wing sites adhereing to their fascism and left wing sites parading as left wing but embracing a right wing level tolerance.If that's what you think, then I suggest you spend your time posting at right wing sites. Enjoy!

In fact that would make this site worse than my posts, left wing in some areas and fascist in others.Yeah. You're right. It is. We are rebuked sharply!

By the way, learn to spell:

"staunchly" not "stanchly"

"adhering" not "adhereing"

RED DAVE

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 15:25

Well right wing sites restrict or ban anyone that is anything other than staunchly right wing, RevLeft does the same when it comes to being stanchly left wing. Sounds like right wing sites adhereing to their fascism and left wing sites parading as left wing but embracing a right wing level tolerance. In fact that would make this site worse than my posts, left wing in some areas and fascist in others.

No it would not since neither has much to do with ideology rather with house rules....Which you read. Which you agreed with. If you come into my house you are required to either whipe your feet or take your shoes off. I am also very sure some fascists apply the same rules in their house....there is no inherrent ideological link here.

We do not consider the overall body of your posts to be leftwing in a revolutionary sense at the moment. Hence you are restricted to OI...to either disprove our opinion of your ideological position or as a place where you can maintain a poster status on this board where you can freely express your non radical leftwing ideological ideas and opinions.

I do not see the big issue.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 15:29

Correct.

If that's what you think, then I suggest you spend your time posting at right wing sites. Enjoy!

Yeah. You're right. It is. We are rebuked sharply!

By the way, learn to spell:

"staunchly" not "stanchly"

"adhering" not "adhereing"

RED DAVE

Uh, i spelled staunchly correctly and as far as adhering, whoops, you got me a, a misspelled word once or twice. If were going to attack spelling then i should be the last person in the crosshairs.

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 15:32

If a parent beats their child to death thats a parent with a serious lack of self control. No, whipping doesnt have one specific meaning unless you are thick, whipping can mean literal whipping with a whip or it can mean spanking with a hand, switch, spoon, spatula or whatever instrument people recieved spankings with. I never proclaimed to be for beating your child, you will find that nowhere in any of my posts. I agreed with spanking or whipping, whipping being within the context of the aformentioned, and disagreed with beating. Another nice try at twisting my words.

I just looked it up just in case. punitative sense of whipping is nowhere explained as spanking.

It is a trashing with a whip or simular instrument...all of which are confined to whip like instruments from cords, lashes, straps, belts, long flexible twigs and flexible canes. It is nowhere refered to as spanking let alone just with a hand.

And even if it was it is such an illustrous referal and in the specific combination with spanking and beating (like you used) it is clearly distinct from them. So no. I am not twisting your words. You are giving me...once again..a cop out.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 15:35

No it would not since neither has much to do with ideology rather with house rules....Which you read. Which you agreed with. If you come into my house you are required to either whipe your feet or take your shoes off. I am also very sure some fascists apply the same rules in their house....there is no inherrent ideological link here.

We do not consider the overall body of your posts to be leftwing in a revolutionary sense at the moment. Hence you are restricted to OI...to either disprove our opinion of your ideological position or as a place where you can maintain a poster status on this board where you can freely express your non radical leftwing ideological ideas and opinions.

I do not see the big issue.

So you share a right wing or neo nazi stance on "house rules". As far as becoming unrestricted everyone here has a different stance on those certain subjects and unless i denounce my beliefs and start believing as everyone else does that will never happen. You have an excellent reeducation system set up here.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 15:40

I just looked it up just in case. punitative sense of whipping is nowhere explained as spanking.

It is a trashing with a whip or simular instrument...all of which are confined to whip like instruments from cords, lashes, straps, belts, long flexible twigs and flexible canes. It is nowhere refered to as spanking let alone just with a hand.

And even if it was it is such an illustrous referal and in the specific combination with spanking and beating (like you used) it is clearly distinct from them. So no. I am not twisting your words. You are giving me...once again..a cop out.

As ive read several people stating in other posts, the dictionary reference means nothing when referring to slang. Never condoned beating. Yes, you are twisting my words. Dont play stupid and act like you dont know what i meant when i posted what i did. People on this forum have called for the beating or execution of people, i use common sense and know they most likely dont literally mean it.

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 16:27

No I am not twisting your words and once again you give me a cop out. You made a clear distinction over several posts between beating, spanking and whipping using all three at once and therefore with seperate meanings....and not the same meanings. Hence I do NOT subscribe to your "it is slang" argument.

Nox

9th September 2011, 16:38

This is a Communist forum, for Communists.

Reactionaries are allowed to argue/debate with us in the OI forum. If you say something that is anti-communist, you will be restricted. That restriction can be appealed.

Fascists are not allowed here whatsoever simply because the forum owner is from Germany, where it is illegal to have shit like that on your website.

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 17:03

So you share a right wing or neo nazi stance on "house rules".

Bullshit and you know it. At this point you are just trolling for the sake of being contrary. As I said...you come in my house...you play by my rules or you are asked to leave....we were nice enough to give you a copy of those rules before you entered and you agreed to them.

As far as becoming unrestricted everyone here has a different stance on those certain subjects and unless i denounce my beliefs and start believing as everyone else does that will never happen. You have an excellent reeducation system set up here.

Now that is selfcontradictory of you. Instead we give you your own section of the board where you can have that opinion....if that opinion changes or if our assessment of your opinions was incorrect and conforms with the purpose of this board then you are let out of that section. Until then you do not conform to the general purpose of this board since in your case you are not a revolutionary leftist and, whats more...again in your case, are in fact a liability.

PhoenixAsh

9th September 2011, 17:07

BTW I also use common sense. I think people say what they mean instead of being such dolts to use obscure slang which means the exact same opposite than what they truely intended to say on an international forum....and IF in the case that happens...and people are pointed out and incredibly aware of the fact that their words are being understood in exactly the opposite way they apologise and correct it....immediately...instead of perpetuating the slang for several more posts.

So no...common sense of you would be to have NOT used whipping in that supposed slang in which it means the exact opposite of what you mean...

RED DAVE

9th September 2011, 17:23

Uh, i spelled staunchly correctly ... .
Well right wing sites restrict or ban anyone that is anything other than staunchly right wing, RevLeft does the same when it comes to being stanchly left wing. Sounds like right wing sites adhering to their fascism and left wing sites parading as left wing but embracing a right wing level tolerance. In fact that would make this site worse than my posts, left wing in some areas and fascist in others.(emph. added)

The first time. The second time, you misspelled it.

By the way "I" is spelled with a capital letter.

RED DAVE

NGNM85

9th September 2011, 17:44

Sinister Cultural Marxist

9th September 2011, 18:08

If a parent beats their child to death thats a parent with a serious lack of self control. No, whipping doesnt have one specific meaning unless you are thick, whipping can mean literal whipping with a whip or it can mean spanking with a hand, switch, spoon, spatula or whatever instrument people recieved spankings with. I never proclaimed to be for beating your child, you will find that nowhere in any of my posts. I agreed with spanking or whipping, whipping being within the context of the aformentioned, and disagreed with beating. Another nice try at twisting my words.

The word you are looking for is not "whipping", it is "wuppin'".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wuppin

4. A thrashing administered especially as punishment towards the recipient of the ass wuppin. Partaking in trouncing,drubbing, good old fashion country ass wuppin.

:P

There was actually a debate on this forum about whether or not it's ok to hit a child.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-children-spankedi-t154337/index3.html?t=154337&page=3

Plenty of posters spoke in favor of hitting children, many weren't banned. It was the way you said it and the implication behind it, and the extend to which you were indicating it should happen. Instead of slowing down to explain your view and give it more nuance, you kept digging yourself in a hole.

Anyways, grow up, you can still post in the OI section it's not like the Forum NKVD went to your house and took your computer or something. Your histrionics about how the left is oppressing your freedoms is a little laughable, no offense.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:08

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:10

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:41

Bullshit and you know it. At this point you are just trolling for the sake of being contrary. As I said...you come in my house...you play by my rules or you are asked to leave....we were nice enough to give you a copy of those rules before you entered and you agreed to them.

No its not bollocks and no im not trolling. The only difference between you and a Stormfront member is you mask yourself under a guise of tolerance. Being a leftist doesnt mean youre absolutely anti-cop, anti-military, anti-spanking, anti-Israel, anti-work or anti-anything else.

Now that is selfcontradictory of you. Instead we give you your own section of the board where you can have that opinion....if that opinion changes or if our assessment of your opinions was incorrect and conforms with the purpose of this board then you are let out of that section. Until then you do not conform to the general purpose of this board since in your case you are not a revolutionary leftist and, whats more...again in your case, are in fact a liability.

Well thats not going to happen because your guidlines for what make someone a leftist are all of the aformentioned.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:43

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:44

(emph. added)

The first time. The second time, you misspelled it.

By the way "I" is spelled with a capital letter.

RED DAVE

Can be bothered to capitalize it. And as far as the first misspelling of of the word, thank you for pointing out that more than one person here is a one dimensional thinker.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 18:46

The word you are looking for is not "whipping", it is "wuppin'".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wuppin

:P

There was actually a debate on this forum about whether or not it's ok to hit a child.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-children-spankedi-t154337/index3.html?t=154337&page=3

Plenty of posters spoke in favor of hitting children, many weren't banned. It was the way you said it and the implication behind it, and the extend to which you were indicating it should happen. Instead of slowing down to explain your view and give it more nuance, you kept digging yourself in a hole.

Anyways, grow up, you can still post in the OI section it's not like the Forum NKVD went to your house and took your computer or something. Your histrionics about how the left is oppressing your freedoms is a little laughable, no offense.

"Whipping" or "whippin'" was used where i grew up.

Thirsty Crow

9th September 2011, 19:22

Youre not different from Stormfront, you just say youre leftist and tolerant while the admit their fascist and intolerant.
Revolutionary socialism (anarchist or marxist) is not distinguished from Fascism (only or most importantly) by means of abstract quantification of "tolerance".

Yeah, you got owned. Apparently, leftists should be something like hippies, and tolerate cops and soldiers and wannabe cops and soldiers. Anything goes, including implicitly condoning imperialist slaughter. I bet you'd love your combat, your good fight which the Legion would offer. And scum such as yourself then cry their eyes out bellowing "INTOLERANCE" just because they've picked up that the best line to discredit any position is to hysterically accuse the opponent of intolerance, and better yet, of fascism.

Cry me a river soldier boy.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 19:32

Revolutionary socialism (anarchist or marxist) is not distinguished from Fascism (only or most importantly) by means of abstract quantification of "tolerance".

Yeah, you got owned. Apparently, leftists should be something like hippies, and tolerate cops and soldiers and wannabe cops and soldiers. Anything goes, including implicitly condoning imperialist slaughter. I bet you'd love your combat, your good fight which the Legion would offer. And scum such as yourself then cry their eyes out bellowing "INTOLERANCE" just because they've picked up that the best line to discredit any position is to hysterically accuse the opponent of intolerance, and better yet, of fascism.

Cry me a river soldier boy.

Im merely pointing out the similarities between certain RevLeft members and the Stormfront community. This isnt a matter of tolerating cops and soldiers, its a matter of accepting that other leftists dont share the exact same stance on absolutely every subject. Youre no different from any of these dictators that say theyre Socialist or Communist and for the people while at the same time punishing anyone that expresses even an ounce of criticism towards them.

Thirsty Crow

9th September 2011, 19:35

Im merely pointing out the similarities between certain RevLeft members and the Stormfront community. This isnt a matter of tolerating cops and soldiers, its a matter of accepting that other leftists dont share the exact same stance on absolutely every subject. Youre no different from any of these dictators that say theyre Socialist or Communist and for the people while at the same time punishing anyone that expresses even an ounce of criticism towards them.
You've got to be obnoxiously self absorbed to think that the historical repression in the so called actually existing socialism is analogous to your restriction.
Grow up, soldier boy.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 19:42

You've got to be obnoxiously self absorbed to think that the historical repression in the so called actually existing socialism is analogous to your restriction.
Grow up, soldier boy.

You seem to think that career contemplation qualifies someone as a reactionary, fascist, etc.

Per Levy

9th September 2011, 19:50

Im merely pointing out the similarities between certain RevLeft members and the Stormfront community. This isnt a matter of tolerating cops and soldiers, its a matter of accepting that other leftists dont share the exact same stance on absolutely every subject. Youre no different from any of these dictators that say theyre Socialist or Communist and for the people while at the same time punishing anyone that expresses even an ounce of criticism towards them.

you're just trolling now, come on this is a internet forum, every forum has rules. in many forums you get banned for spam or even the massive use of smylies. besides, do you really think that "marxists-leninists", anarchists, leftcoms and trots(and so on) all share the same opinion on every topic? and you're not even banned, you can open so many threads here, you can argue your opinion on every topic just not on every section in this forum.

Martin Blank

9th September 2011, 19:56

(emph. added)

The first time. The second time, you misspelled it.

By the way "I" is spelled with a capital letter.

RED DAVE

Long live the Spell Cheka! :D

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 19:56

you're just trolling now, come on this is a internet forum, every forum has rules. in many forums you get banned for spam or even the massive use of smylies. besides, do you really think that "marxists-leninists", anarchists, leftcoms and trots(and so on) all share the same opinion on every topic? and you're not even banned, you can open so many threads here, you can argue your opinion on every topic just not on every section in this forum.

Im aware of that however what im attempting to point out is thats the extent of my "offense", not sharing the same opinion on certain topics. I have yet to swear, utilize a "smylie", insult or personally attack anyone. If i were trolling i would be swearing up a storm and calling everyone vulgar names.

Per Levy

9th September 2011, 19:56

You seem to think that career contemplation qualifies someone as a reactionary, fascist, etc.

joining the ffl and defending that postition like you did(you should see that not everyone who was on good terms with joining the ffl got restricted) is seen as quite reactionary besides you also argued a lot of other weird things like the american working class should pay for the crimes of the american bourgeoisie and so on.

Per Levy

9th September 2011, 20:01

Im aware of that however what im attempting to point out is thats the extent of my "offense", not sharing the same opinion on certain topics. I have yet to swear, utilize a "smylie", insult or personally attack anyone. If i were trolling i would be swearing up a storm and calling everyone vulgar names.

so instead you just call everyone(or selected few) fascist, and you think that is not offensive to leftist or any nonfascist?

ВАЛТЕР

9th September 2011, 20:17

Communists talk about freedom, but they want to oppress anything that goes against their ideology.

Because we hate you and we want to oppress all dissent.... /sarcasm:rolleyes:

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 20:18

joining the ffl and defending that postition like you did(you should see that not everyone who was on good terms with joining the ffl got restricted) is seen as quite reactionary besides you also argued a lot of other weird things like the american working class should pay for the crimes of the american bourgeoisie and so on.

How was my interest in joining any different? Also i never said the American working class should pay for the crimes of the American bourgeosie, again with the twisting words to support your arguement.

Column No.4

9th September 2011, 20:20

so instead you just call everyone(or selected few) fascist, and you think that is not offensive to leftist or any nonfascist?

They know in what context im implying. Perphaps i should have said quasi-fascist.

W1N5T0N

9th September 2011, 20:24

You have the freedom to start a tendency war.

Revolution starts with U

9th September 2011, 22:48

You seem to think that career contemplation qualifies someone as a reactionary, fascist, etc.
Im contemplating a career in joining a militia and getting other militias to band together and institute a fascist dictatorship over this land; reactionary or not?
Contemplating career choices CAN make you reactionary, especially when you are contemplating joining an imperialist force simply because you "love a good fight" (nvm that fight involves bombing and indiscriminately shooting brown people) and "comraderie" (which you could get by joining a boxing club).

So restricting differen opinions on certain subjects. As far as the whipping you do know when i said that i didnt literally mean whipping?
NOW you dont mean whipping, since it got you in trouble. It is terribly hilarious to watch you try to weasel out of your positions now that you've been called out on them :lol: hilarious :laugh:

Commons sense told me that one would get restricted for trolling, calling for the death of Israel simply because theyre Jews, blaming all crime on minorities, crap like that.
And wanting to join an imperialist force simply because you "love a good fight." Not to mention the numerous other offenses that got you RESTRICTED, not banned.

Well right wing sites restrict or ban anyone that is anything other than staunchly right wing, RevLeft does the same when it comes to being staunchly left wing. Sounds like right wing sites adhering to their fascism and left wing sites parading as left wing but embracing a right wing level tolerance. In fact that would make this site worse than my posts, left wing in some areas and fascist in others.
"Fascist" becuase you can only post on one board now? C'mon man, get a grip on reality. We're not lining you against a wall and shooting you. You're even still allowed to have your opinion.. just not on the main boards.
At this point you're just being a whiny little 12 year old. Apparently your momma's whippins didn't help :rolleyes:

No, i used spanking and whipping, implying that youre free to choose whichever word you prefer to describe a spanking.
Weasels will be weasels. Live with your position.
The greatest evil in the world is the ability of people to lie to themselves and believe it.

PhoenixAsh

10th September 2011, 00:32

No its not bollocks and no im not trolling. The only difference between you and a Stormfront member is you mask yourself under a guise of tolerance. Being a leftist doesnt mean youre absolutely anti-cop, anti-military, anti-spanking, anti-Israel, anti-work or anti-anything else.

Me? I never claimed I am tolerant. Now you are just being insulting...and I was being al helpful and stuff.

It does mean you are anti-reactionary. And hence revolutionary leftist will not galdly join the cops. Will not cooperate with the cops. Will not join the FFL or army because they love a good fight. Will not cop out on the positions on imperialism and will not defend Israeli imperialism and racism. Will not argue the American working class needs to suffer for crimes of the American burgeoisie. And we are basically all about being pro-work.

But...are you pro Israel too?

Well thats not going to happen because your guidlines for what make someone a leftist are all of the aformentioned.No they are not. And since you seem to misunderstand the guidelines of communism/anarchism and socialism and have replaced them by some watered down "whatever suits my needs" version of them...I really think you need to...as I said earlier...reacquint yourself with those tendencies. As it stands now you are not going to be unrestricted because your opinions are really not revolutionary leftist.

PhoenixAsh

10th September 2011, 00:36

So you want me to apologize for your lack of ability to interpret in more than just a one dimensional manner?

When you communicate with somebody you are responsible your message is understood. So yes...basically I want you to apologize or at the bare minimum correct the misunderstanding you caused by using a word which means the exact same opposite of what you want to say. You failed to correct three times the clearly communicated failure of what you wanted to say to actually be received as such....so yes...your fault there.

As I explained...again and again,...you chose to use an obscure definition of a word which was supposed to indicate the exact opposite what you claim you wanted to say. And I am simply going to read your post by assuming I do not need an enigma machine to understand your real meaning. Which is common sense. Which is something you didn't use.

And I really suggest you try to follow my advice I gave earlier and just take a deep breath and start over and provide some posts which indicate how you are a true revolutionary leftist...or just simply accept that your participation on the board is very much appreciated in the OI section.

ColonelCossack

10th September 2011, 00:45

1. The Lord Marx is our One and Only God
2. Thou shalt not question our Lord Marx's divine word
3. Thou shalt not worship any False Gods
4. Our Lord Lenin is the Lord Marx's prophet on Earth; and Our Lord Stalin, Our Lord Mao and Our Lord Pol Pot are his blessed disciples.
5. The party is the one and only voice of Our Lords Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
6. Thou shalt not question the Party for its word is the divine word of our Lord Marx, the One and Only God.
7. If thou shouldst dissent from the Party thou shalt feel the wrath of the party for its word is the word of Our Lord Marx.
8. Thou shalt give all thy possessions to the Party, and surrender all thy freedoms to the Party, for The Party is the Divine Word Of our Lord Marx.
9. Thou shalt worship the party as you wouldst worship our Lord Marx for our Dear Leaders, Lords Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are the harbingers of his Divine Word.
10. Thou Shalt not break any of these commandments for they are the word of Our Dear Lord Marx through The party and Our Dear Leaders.

^Believe it or not that's actually not what leftists are like- and that's coming from a Marxist-leninist! :P

Revolution starts with U

10th September 2011, 01:23

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 04:07

Im contemplating a career in joining a militia and getting other militias to band together and institute a fascist dictatorship over this land; reactionary or not?
Contemplating career choices CAN make you reactionary, especially when you are contemplating joining an imperialist force simply because you "love a good fight" (nvm that fight involves bombing and indiscriminately shooting brown people) and "comraderie" (which you could get by joining a boxing club).

NOW you dont mean whipping, since it got you in trouble. It is terribly hilarious to watch you try to weasel out of your positions now that you've been called out on them :lol: hilarious :laugh:

And wanting to join an imperialist force simply because you "love a good fight." Not to mention the numerous other offenses that got you RESTRICTED, not banned.

"Fascist" becuase you can only post on one board now? C'mon man, get a grip on reality. We're not lining you against a wall and shooting you. You're even still allowed to have your opinion.. just not on the main boards.
At this point you're just being a whiny little 12 year old. Apparently your momma's whippins didn't help :rolleyes:

Weasels will be weasels. Live with your position.
The greatest evil in the world is the ability of people to lie to themselves and believe it.

So career contemplation can make you a reactionary. Spanking,whipping or "whippin", its all the same, if i had said tanning would you thought i was actually implying you tan your child? At least admit youre not leftist and be done with it. I just hope if there really ever is a revolution you dont apply the same rules you have here to the general population or well be on our way to apartheid quite quickly.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 04:12

Me? I never claimed I am tolerant. Now you are just being insulting...and I was being al helpful and stuff.

It does mean you are anti-reactionary. And hence revolutionary leftist will not galdly join the cops. Will not cooperate with the cops. Will not join the FFL or army because they love a good fight. Will not cop out on the positions on imperialism and will not defend Israeli imperialism and racism. Will not argue the American working class needs to suffer for crimes of the American burgeoisie. And we are basically all about being pro-work.

But...are you pro Israel too?

No they are not. And since you seem to misunderstand the guidelines of communism/anarchism and socialism and have replaced them by some watered down "whatever suits my needs" version of them...I really think you need to...as I said earlier...reacquint yourself with those tendencies. As it stands now you are not going to be unrestricted because your opinions are really not revolutionary leftist.

I didnt say id glady do any of that, ill do what i have to to keep myself from becoming homeless. Ive yet to cooperate with any police either. My entertainment of enlisting in the Legion is more than just a good fight. I never copped out on imperialism and im itll be a cold day in hell when i compare what Israel is doing to imperialism or racism. I never said the American working class suffer for the crimes of the American bourgeoisie. The saddest thing about some of you is youre exactly what ive heard hardcore right wingers describe you as.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 04:13

When you communicate with somebody you are responsible your message is understood. So yes...basically I want you to apologize or at the bare minimum correct the misunderstanding you caused by using a word which means the exact same opposite of what you want to say. You failed to correct three times the clearly communicated failure of what you wanted to say to actually be received as such....so yes...your fault there.

As I explained...again and again,...you chose to use an obscure definition of a word which was supposed to indicate the exact opposite what you claim you wanted to say. And I am simply going to read your post by assuming I do not need an enigma machine to understand your real meaning. Which is common sense. Which is something you didn't use.

And I really suggest you try to follow my advice I gave earlier and just take a deep breath and start over and provide some posts which indicate how you are a true revolutionary leftist...or just simply accept that your participation on the board is very much appreciated in the OI section.

Fine, i apologize for assuming you had enough common sense.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 04:17

Exaclty Hindsight. It's like this:
1) Do you not think it weird that EVERYBODY here "misinterpreted" you? ANd you think that's OUR problem, not your utter failure in communicating?
2) Do you think gems like "Isrealis are just trying to protect themselves from all the suicide bombers" are going to get you UNrestricted?!
3) Why do you care? Grow up.

No everyone did misinterpret me, a couple of you did. As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab Israelis as i did Jewish Israelis and ive done enough studying, both personally and from relatives, to be able to tell racism and imperialism from security. I have yet to run into a single Israeli that thought ill of Arabs for any other reason that the suicide bombings and if any of you have done any research youd know that the vast majority of Israelis support returning to the pre-1967 borders.

Revolution starts with U

10th September 2011, 07:50

So career contemplation can make you a reactionary.
Im glad you agree ;)

Spanking,whipping or "whippin", its all the same, if i had said tanning would you thought i was actually implying you tan your child?
Depends on the context. I don't even think I misinterpreted your use of whipping. What I am getting across to you, is that it is CLEARLY your fault for the miscommunication going on. The attitude and intent that seemed to come out of your words implied a certain respect for harsh and overbearing authority (funny considering you're crying about US being NAZIs.)

At least admit youre not leftist and be done with it.
Actually I would say the same to you. What you don't get is that I do not support the restriction policy. But I think you're, for lack of a better term, an asshole.
I just hope if there really ever is a revolution you dont apply the same rules you have here to the general population or well be on our way to apartheid quite quickly.
Again, I don't support the restriction policy. What I am saying to you is this is all your fault. You knew what you signed up for. And instead of seriously considering your situation, you lashed out like a petulant child who was denied his favorite toy.
You're living a lie (live a lie, live a lie, Timmy!), bro.

No everyone did misinterpret me, a couple of you did.
Freudian slip? ;)
As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab
Israelis as i did Jewish Israelis and ive done enough studying, both personally and from relatives, to be able to tell racism and imperialism from security. I have yet to run into a single Israeli that thought ill of Arabs for any other reason that the suicide bombings and if any of you have done any research youd know that the vast majority of Israelis support returning to the pre-1967 borders.
Did you even read what I said?
1) Anectdotal evidence does not strengthen an argument. I could say I have been to Isreal and they are all a bunch of racists. The audience (including you and me) has every reason to believe me as much as they do you.
2) If you have the evidence you can provide it. Your appeal to your secret knowledge is not impressive to anti-authoritarians such as myself.
3) Do you think that, because some or even most Isreali's have a good attitude, that changes anything about the fact that they are a foreign occupation force? I condemn all use of indiscriminate violence. But it's not like there's not a reason for it! To act as if Isreal is innocent is, without a doubt, reactionary... not to mention stupid.

PhoenixAsh

10th September 2011, 08:15

I didnt say id glady do any of that, ill do what i have to to keep myself from becoming homeless.

Like I said...you are just trying to find a bidge to live under.

Ive yet to cooperate with any police either. My entertainment of enlisting in the Legion is more than just a good fight.

Quite...and that is exactly our problem with you.

The difference between you and us is that we are willing to accept the fact that you are thoroughly reactionary and you keep denying your own identity. And so far...nobody has prevented your right to say exactly what you want...we just limited its locations on this board.

I never copped out on imperialism and im itll be a cold day in hell when i compare what Israel is doing to imperialism or racism. I never said the American working class suffer for the crimes of the American bourgeoisie. The saddest thing about some of you is youre exactly what ive heard hardcore right wingers describe you as.

O really? What have you heard from your hardcore rightwing buddies? That we are very smart and recognize reactionary trolls very quickly? Because that is true.

Fine, i apologize for assuming you had enough common sense.

See that wasn't so hard now, was it? Now we only need to work on your definition of common sense...

PhoenixAsh

10th September 2011, 08:24

No everyone did misinterpret me, a couple of you did. As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab Israelis as i did Jewish Israelis and ive done enough studying, both personally and from relatives, to be able to tell racism and imperialism from security. I have yet to run into a single Israeli that thought ill of Arabs for any other reason that the suicide bombings and if any of you have done any research youd know that the vast majority of Israelis support returning to the pre-1967 borders.

Lol. This story reminds me of the father of a pre-school friend. He went to South Africa for the company he worked for and he came back saying: I do not understand what everybody is on about with South Africa being racist. South Africa isn't racist at all. I have been there. In fact there are really not a lot of black people living there. Only our pool boy, maid and gardener were black and everybody was really nice to them.
:laugh:

Dude...really...:rolleyes:

Comrade Anarchist

10th September 2011, 14:05

Bud Struggle

10th September 2011, 14:44

No everyone did misinterpret me, a couple of you did. As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab Israelis as i did Jewish Israelis and ive done enough studying, both personally and from relatives, to be able to tell racism and imperialism from security. I have yet to run into a single Israeli that thought ill of Arabs for any other reason that the suicide bombings and if any of you have done any research youd know that the vast majority of Israelis support returning to the pre-1967 borders.

I've been there too--you can't tell me that Palestinians aren't treated like second class shit. It's isn't just security either (and there is that issue, true.) But for the most part Palestinains are treated like invading scum in their own land. It's not a fair or equal society--and the Israelis don't even PRETEND that it is. Palestinians aren't treated just as non-citizens, they are treated as non-human.

The real interesting thing I think about Israel is that the Israeli people are rather open and Progressive in most respects. It isn't a rigid and closed society like South Africa was--they just turna blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians. In every other respect (for the mos part, of course) they are a society along the lines more of a Sweden than anything else.

PhoenixAsh

10th September 2011, 14:52

It is because they all want to be socialist dictators. They want their repudiated system but since it wont happen after the disaster that was the 20th century they instead are trying to implement it on the internet. But unfortunately for them you can't shoot or starve someone over a forum so instead they lock us in this one part of the forum, kinda like the gulag.

Exactly. We work on the trust system. We oppres you and we are going to trust you to be oppressed and do exactly what we say.

And damnit Com. Anarchist! How many times do we have to tell you??
You violated the rules of OI...agian!... The first rule of OI is that we do not talk about OI until a new OI member has had his initiation.

So that is another demerrit for you. And I think you have to do 100 pushups now and clean the toilet with a toothbrush. So...there...now..go do that and tell us when you are done!

RED DAVE

10th September 2011, 15:00

No everyone did misinterpret me, a couple of you did. As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab Israelis as i did Jewish Israelis and ive done enough studying, both personally and from relatives, to be able to tell racism and imperialism from security. I have yet to run into a single Israeli that thought ill of Arabs for any other reason that the suicide bombings and if any of you have done any research youd know that the vast majority of Israelis support returning to the pre-1967 borders.I guess you and I know different Israelis. The ones that I know (excluding some Israeli leftists), including a bunch of my relatives, are as racist as hell, support the US attacks on any country the US feels like attacking (they supported the contras in Nicaragua) and think the Palestinians have no rights with regard to Israel.

So, your anecdotal evidence against mine. Both are basically useless for a serious discussion.

RED DAVE

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 20:31

Im glad you agree ;)

Depends on the context. I don't even think I misinterpreted your use of whipping. What I am getting across to you, is that it is CLEARLY your fault for the miscommunication going on. The attitude and intent that seemed to come out of your words implied a certain respect for harsh and overbearing authority (funny considering you're crying about US being NAZIs.)

Actually I would say the same to you. What you don't get is that I do not support the restriction policy. But I think you're, for lack of a better term, an asshole.
Again, I don't support the restriction policy. What I am saying to you is this is all your fault. You knew what you signed up for. And instead of seriously considering your situation, you lashed out like a petulant child who was denied his favorite toy.
You're living a lie (live a lie, live a lie, Timmy!), bro.

Freudian slip? ;)
As far as Israel is concerned ive been to Israel and ran into just as many Arab
Did you even read what I said?
1) Anectdotal evidence does not strengthen an argument. I could say I have been to Isreal and they are all a bunch of racists. The audience (including you and me) has every reason to believe me as much as they do you.
2) If you have the evidence you can provide it. Your appeal to your secret knowledge is not impressive to anti-authoritarians such as myself.
3) Do you think that, because some or even most Isreali's have a good attitude, that changes anything about the fact that they are a foreign occupation force? I condemn all use of indiscriminate violence. But it's not like there's not a reason for it! To act as if Isreal is innocent is, without a doubt, reactionary... not to mention stupid.

Just like i suppose its my fault when i used the term millionth and some moron actually thought i literally meant millionth, or at least i hope he didnt. What i thought i was agreeing to, as the rules are vague, is no flat out racism, bigotry, sexism, etc., apparently to be a reactionary you only have to be two steps from up against the wall leftism. Ive merely disagreed that Israel is acting in an apartheid manner, however people starting threads claiming it is have yet to provide any evidence to support that claim. The proof rule seems to be one sided.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 20:37

Like I said...you are just trying to find a bidge to live under.

Quite...and that is exactly our problem with you.

The difference between you and us is that we are willing to accept the fact that you are thoroughly reactionary and you keep denying your own identity. And so far...nobody has prevented your right to say exactly what you want...we just limited its locations on this board.

O really? What have you heard from your hardcore rightwing buddies? That we are very smart and recognize reactionary trolls very quickly? Because that is true.

See that wasn't so hard now, was it? Now we only need to work on your definition of common sense...

Im willing to accept the fact that you cant go through this world walking a fine line because in all likelihood youll have to step off of that line. I have no right wing buddies, however i do have hardcore right wingers in my family and i watch FOX, yet only so when im accused of only hearing one side i can truthfully deny it. The left said the right were greedy, inconsiderate, racist, etc. and after studying the right i came to the conclusion that they were right, so i aligned myself with the far left. The right said the left were no different and they just masked themselves as something different, i fobbed it off because one side will always degrade the other, however after joining this site id say both sides are right about one another.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 20:38

Lol. This story reminds me of the father of a pre-school friend. He went to South Africa for the company he worked for and he came back saying: I do not understand what everybody is on about with South Africa being racist. South Africa isn't racist at all. I have been there. In fact there are really not a lot of black people living there. Only our pool boy, maid and gardener were black and everybody was really nice to them.
:laugh:

Dude...really...:rolleyes:

Right, because every Arab i came across was working a servants job.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 20:40

I've been there too--you can't tell me that Palestinians aren't treated like second class shit. It's isn't just security either (and there is that issue, true.) But for the most part Palestinains are treated like invading scum in their own land. It's not a fair or equal society--and the Israelis don't even PRETEND that it is. Palestinians aren't treated just as non-citizens, they are treated as non-human.

The real interesting thing I think about Israel is that the Israeli people are rather open and Progressive in most respects. It isn't a rigid and closed society like South Africa was--they just turna blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians. In every other respect (for the mos part, of course) they are a society along the lines more of a Sweden than anything else.

I saw no difference of treatment when i was there. However its a pain to move between Israel and Palestine, which it would be when you have the constant threat of suicide bombers and random gunmen. Like i said, ive reseached it and the vast majority of Israelis have no problem with Palestine outside of the bombings and gunmen.

Column No.4

10th September 2011, 20:42

I guess you and I know different Israelis. The ones that I know (excluding some Israeli leftists), including a bunch of my relatives, are as racist as hell, support the US attacks on any country the US feels like attacking (they supported the contras in Nicaragua) and think the Palestinians have no rights with regard to Israel.

So, your anecdotal evidence against mine. Both are basically useless for a serious discussion.

RED DAVE

When i say Israelis i dont mean stupid Americans that have moved to Israel, been granted citizenship, and now demonize Palestine.

Bud Struggle

10th September 2011, 20:50

I saw no difference of treatment when i was there. However its a pain to move between Israel and Palestine, which it would be when you have the constant threat of suicide bombers and random gunmen. Like i said, ive reseached it and the vast majority of Israelis have no problem with Palestine outside of the bombings and gunmen.

You see an Palestinain owned businesses? You see Palestianians in the Hilton or Hyatt? You see Palestinians in regular business life? Do they have cars, do they eat in resteraunts, can they own houses? Can they live normal lives?

No.

And just because one in a million Palestinians are terrorists (rightly or wrongly) does that mean all the other Palestinians must be punished?

Punish the guilty not the people that have the same hair and eye color and skin tone as the guilty.

Revolution starts with U

10th September 2011, 21:37

Revolution starts with U

10th September 2011, 21:40

Just like i suppose its my fault when i used the term millionth and some moron actually thought i literally meant millionth, or at least i hope he didnt. What i thought i was agreeing to, as the rules are vague, is no flat out racism, bigotry, sexism, etc., apparently to be a reactionary you only have to be two steps from up against the wall leftism. Ive merely disagreed that Israel is acting in an apartheid manner, however people starting threads claiming it is have yet to provide any evidence to support that claim. The proof rule seems to be one sided.

No, you said "they're not racist, or oppressive, they are just trying to defend themselves from all the suicide bombers." Since when is calling an invading force leftist?

Ele'ill

10th September 2011, 22:15

Oh my GOD- this THREAD.

Just look at it.

So I'm thinking of continuing my thread closing extravaganza by closing this thread in a couple of minutes since the OP got themselves banned and because the conversation appears to now be wildly off topic with that toxic touch of disinterest that's just going to fuck everything up in another page or two. (as if it isn't there already)

Thirsty Crow

10th September 2011, 22:22

Oh my GOD- this THREAD. :bored:
The best post in it so far.

And the guy who thinks Israel is a normal capitalist state who is, what can you do, forced to adopt certain measures because it faces deranged suicide bombers is STILL whining. Unbelievable, really.

Column No.4

11th September 2011, 04:05

You see an Palestinain owned businesses? You see Palestianians in the Hilton or Hyatt? You see Palestinians in regular business life? Do they have cars, do they eat in resteraunts, can they own houses? Can they live normal lives?

No.

And just because one in a million Palestinians are terrorists (rightly or wrongly) does that mean all the other Palestinians must be punished?

Punish the guilty not the people that have the same hair and eye color and skin tone as the guilty.

I saw Palestinian owned businesses. I wasnt at the Hilton or Hyatt so i cant comment on that. What do you mean by regular business life, i saw them working. I saw Palestinians in cars, restaurants, im sure if they were doing all of the aformentioned they owned houses there. Im sure its harder for them to move between Israel, the Palestinian territories and Palestine. The suicide bombers and gunmen are coming from Palestine and in order to stop them security has been increased, a lot, its no different than what they did post 9/11.

Column No.4

11th September 2011, 04:08

No, you said "they're not racist, or oppressive, they are just trying to defend themselves from all the suicide bombers." Since when is calling an invading force leftist?

So when you say an '"invading force" im guessing youre one of these people that wants Israel to ceast existing? I dont think it was right to displace Palestinians in order to establish the state of Israel, however the Israelis are there now, the Palestinians have to get over it and they both have to work from here come to some sort of agreement.

RED DAVE

11th September 2011, 04:30

When i say Israelis i dont mean stupid Americans that have moved to Israel, been granted citizenship, and now demonize Palestine.Neither do I.

My point remains. My experience with Israelis contradicts yours, so both experiences are useless for a systematic discussion.

RED DAVE

Lucretia

11th September 2011, 06:10

Communists talk about freedom, but they want to oppress anything that goes against their ideology.

Since when is restricting your ability to participate on a single Internet forum tantamount to "oppressing anything that goes against their ideology"?

The idea here is very simple, so I am sure you can pick up on it. 99% of the Internet is saturated with "mainstream" liberal political views and biases. This forum is meant to be part of that tiny 1% where we can filter that nonsense out to facilitate discussion among reasonably like-minded people.

Filtering that nonsense out is part of protecting our tiny sliver of territory in a sea of reactionary and bourgeois politics. If you want to spew bourgeois beliefs or advocate functionally bourgeois politics, go to the other 99% of the Internet. Don't whine that you're oppressed if you can't spew reactionary or bourgeois views on the other 1%. You are not the only person with so-called "rights" and revolutionary leftists deserve a place of their own.