IMT World School

[nideaquinidealli]

It seems that IMT has rebuilt their forces.

http://www.marxist.com/2011-world-school.htm

Has someone any news about their advances in the countries they claim to have sections?

[vyborg]

i can only underline that some old friend has gone nuts: JC and HK now propose a united front with Hu Jintao and with Gheddafi as China and Lybia are both deformed workers' state....so I guess we were lucky to say goodbye to these poor guys

[Q]

i can only underline that some old friend has gone nuts: JC and HK now propose a united front with Hu Jintao and with Gheddafi as China and Lybia are both deformed workers' state....

Do you have sources of these statements?


so I guess we were lucky to say goodbye to these poor guys
Yes, Marx forbid you actually debated out such differences within your ranks openly.

[nideaquinidealli]

Read in leftist_trainspotters:
> The article makes the claim of 225 comrades in attendance.
>
> It says "The overwhelming majority were young comrades, reflecting a
significant influx of new members in several sections of the IMT over the past
year."
>
> Yet the year before at the same location there were 250 comrades present,
before the "significant influx of new members in several sections"
>
> (Surely the Italian section should send over 150 comrades to a meeting in
their own country?)
>
> The article claims that the rise from 250 to 225 is a "tremendous step
forward" Why?
>
> Having studied how to read Stalinist newspapers and having spent most of my
life in the IMT, or its precursor, I am forced to wonder and speculate on the
basis of the information contained in the article.
>
> Does "a significant influx of youth" equal a significant outflow of older
comrades?
> Has there been a split in the Italian section of the IMT this year?
>
> As Fred Weston wants to become the big leader of the IMT, (for Fred is an
ambitious man) he has to control the Italian section, the former leading comrade
was Claudio Belotti but he was too independent and agreed with Heiko and
Jonathan Clyne over China. The older comrades in Italy know how intellectually
incapable Fred Weston is, so perhaps he orchestrated a split in the section to
drive out these older comrades as he did in Greece in 2008?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I always wonder when some ambitious TV exec will make a reality TV show out of the various leftist sects.

[vyborg]

Do you have sources of these statements?

try their site (http://www.karlmarx.net/)


Yes, Marx forbid you actually debated out such differences within your ranks openly.

Marx only suggested not to loose time with silly people. there are so interesting people out there...wannabe allies of Gheddafi and CCP top echelons are not among them

[Q]

try their site (http://www.karlmarx.net/)
So, you don't have a source?


Marx only suggested not to loose time with silly people. there are so interesting people out there...wannabe allies of Gheddafi and CCP top echelons are not among them

Yes, Labour politicians are undoubtedly more interesting.

[vyborg]

Read in leftist_trainspotters:
> The article makes the claim of 225 comrades in attendance.
>
> It says "The overwhelming majority were young comrades, reflecting a
significant influx of new members in several sections of the IMT over the past
year."
>
> Yet the year before at the same location there were 250 comrades present,
before the "significant influx of new members in several sections"
>
> (Surely the Italian section should send over 150 comrades to a meeting in
their own country?)
>
> The article claims that the rise from 250 to 225 is a "tremendous step
forward" Why?
>
> Having studied how to read Stalinist newspapers and having spent most of my
life in the IMT, or its precursor, I am forced to wonder and speculate on the
basis of the information contained in the article.
>
> Does "a significant influx of youth" equal a significant outflow of older
comrades?
> Has there been a split in the Italian section of the IMT this year?
>
> As Fred Weston wants to become the big leader of the IMT, (for Fred is an
ambitious man) he has to control the Italian section, the former leading comrade
was Claudio Belotti but he was too independent and agreed with Heiko and
Jonathan Clyne over China. The older comrades in Italy know how intellectually
incapable Fred Weston is, so perhaps he orchestrated a split in the section to
drive out these older comrades as he did in Greece in 2008?

I dont understand if this farcical eries of comments are put pretending they are an analysis or only alluding to something. Look for instance at the sentence "the former leading comrade" as it was not the case anymore... poor guys, since they left the IMT they do not have any real material to speculate on, and they are forced to write these kind of things....

Anyway I can assure our fans in here that italian section had not had a split as it never had in the last 25 years. I know this annoy you guys, but I cannot help with your preferite hobby. You can try to go back to the Playstation were you more properly belong. Let revolutionary politics to more serious people.

[vyborg]

So, you don't have a source?

Is their website not a source? go there and you can find the articles I was referring to. Have you problem to find them? I will help you. But I guess you can make it.


Yes, Labour politicians are undoubtedly more interesting.

I can understand the problem here is to reply not to understand, but HK and others former member of the IMT are the Labour politicians expert...not the IMT. So you can pass this very intelligent comment to them. they will use it.

[Q]

Is their website not a source? go there and you can find the articles I was referring to. Have you problem to find them? I will help you. But I guess you can make it.
You keep dodging on this. I'll assume you indeed have no source and you made up your statements you made in post 2. Such is of course dishonest politics.


I can understand the problem here is to reply not to understand, but HK and others former member of the IMT are the Labour politicians expert...not the IMT. So you can pass this very intelligent comment to them. they will use it.

So the IMT left the Labour Party? Or how am I to read this comment?

[vyborg]

You keep dodging on this. I'll assume you indeed have no source and you made up your statements you made in post 2. Such is of course dishonest politics.

I see. you are a very very lazy guy. no problem, I sorted it our for you.

here is the article about Gheddafi : http://www.karlmarx.net/middle-east-north-africa/libyaandmarxistcom

here is the article about Hu: http://www.karlmarx.net/topics/china-1/onhujintaoscallformarxistinnovation

Enjoy


So the IMT left the Labour Party? Or how am I to read this comment?

I understand laziness is working here too. No problem I will explain it once again. HK and other silly guys that wrote the articles I just quoted are very fond of staying buried in socialdemocracy never disturbing anyone (LP, Pasok, etc). their website is very clear on this. This was never marxist or IMT policy. So the comment about labour politicians (not labour rank and file, can you see the difference?) is nothing of IMT business and can be sent to HK and the like.

[Q]

I see. you are a very very lazy guy. no problem, I sorted it our for you.
Nothing to do with lazyness. When you make a statement, you should be prepared to back it up when someone asks for a source. It has been good literary and debating practice since forever.


Enjoy
Willdo.


I understand laziness is working here too. No problem I will explain it once again. HK and other silly guys that wrote the articles I just quoted are very fond of staying buried in socialdemocracy never disturbing anyone (LP, Pasok, etc). their website is very clear on this. This was never marxist or IMT policy. So the comment about labour politicians (not labour rank and file, can you see the difference?) is nothing of IMT business and can be sent to HK and the like.
Thank you for your side of the story. It just proves that when pressing on, you actually do have something to say. What this has to do with lazyness on my part is still beyond me though. But thanks.

[Sentinel]

Well if it's true that lots of young people are joining the IMT, then congrats on that. The same is true about the CWI as well, and it's only good news that other marxist organisations are also growing. :)

Even though we have some differences on approach to the struggle we are definitely part of the same movement with the same end goals.

[vyborg]

It seems that IMT has rebuilt their forces.

By the way. This idea is optimistic. I mean, where IMT suffered a significant split (as in Spain) our section is still recovering but it is a long journey as many comrades that left were very good ones. Generally speaking the situation is very good.

[nideaquinidealli]

Where IMT suffered a significant split (as in Spain) our section is still recovering but it is a long journey as many comrades that left were very good ones. Generally speaking the situation is very good.
It's good news, but I cannot find any signs of the activity of the Spanish IMT section. No presence in mass demonstrations, no activity inside IU or Unions, no press; even their web site seems quite lifeless, only feed with translations from marxist.com, and without references to any kind of political activity in Spain.
Have the IMT positions in the Sindicato de Estudiantes (Student's Union)? I'm a teacher, and we, teachers, are involved in a strong fight against the PP regional government, with a three days strike next week. The SE people have been very active in our meetings, and they have gained a strong authority among the school community. They have call for a student's and teachers nationwide general strike on October 6.
Is the IMT people working on this strike call? Why are not any reference to the teacher's strike on your web?
Find attached a link to the SE intervention on a massive teachers meeting a few days ago:
http://www.sindicatodeestudiantes.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=889:el-sindicato-de-estudiantes-en-la-masiva-asamblea-de-profesores-del-31-de-agosto&catid=43&Itemid=57

[vyborg]

These questions are very relevant and they have nothing to do with the previous "analysis". I know that SE is doing a good job. What we criticize in the SE general position is the tendency to use the SE as it was a political party. When the SE does what it is, it does a marvelous job...as always did since 1986...

As for the Spanish website I agree it is not exactly state of the art and the articles are from july...this is a confirmation of what I said before...

I would also like to point out that if you go trough the website of El Militante, you will find more materiale about the PCE-IU in the last year than in the last 10 years...this is because, even if the comrades denied the importance of the PCE-IU before the split...they are not crazy after all...better late than never...

[bolchevique]

We are alive and kicking, although we are still very weak in many area , we have a long way to walk but I can tell you in my area we are doing the best work in IU ever, my assembly agree with our idea in 95%, and two member of our organization are member of the direction of the assembly , and this is happening in other parts of Spain. They still pretend to do some work in PSOE but this is just a joke and they keep showing off thy say the they are the biggest youth or student org but this is another bad joke you can check in their last March strike, one of our critics was that we should d learn to with the youth communist org and other left org but they insist on their mistake they have decided to organize a strike on their own, On the other hand t there are more teachers in Lucha de Clases (IMT) than in el militante, because according to el militante thought you’ll be a kind of “pequeño burgués” since they are pure “obreros” funny isn’t it?

[nideaquinidealli]

They keep showing off thy say the they are the biggest youth or student org but this is another bad joke you can check in their last March strike, one of our critics was that we should d learn to with the youth communist org and other left org but they insist on their mistake they have decided to organize a strike on their own, On the other hand t there are more teachers in Lucha de Clases (IMT) than in el militante, because according to el militante thought you’ll be a kind of “pequeño burgués” since they are pure “obreros” funny isn’t it?
I'm sorry I'm not sure I have understood you.
Do you mean that Sindicato de Estudiantes is not playing a central role in the teachers strike started today? At least in Madrid this is not true. I've seen a lot of Sindicato de Estudiantes members distributing their leaflets in last week demo. I hope I'll see them again in today's demo...
A lot of colleagues have commented in a very positive way the efforts the Sindicato de Estudiantes is deploying to help the strike. No doubt the October 6 strike will be a great success.
About the El Militante's characterization of teachers as petty bourgeois it seems quite sectarian. Perhaps you are right... as a matter of fact I have no news about teachers linked with El Militante...
But, my main question is: is "Lucha de Clases" participating in the teachers strike? are you coming to today's demonstration? why is near impossible to get in touch with you in Madrid?

[bolchevique]

Well as I told you, we are weak in certain area, , but we are rebuilding our forces,and talking about teachers, I'm a teacher a member of CCOO and IU in Andalucia, and we have teacher union representative in Catalonia, and comrades in Galicia and other areas, and this was one of these silly accusations(being pequeño burgueses, ,but this is the past, who cares? only few people here in this gossip petty world of revleft? we are not against the Sindicato de estudiante we only said and say that they should learn to work with other organizations and don't pretend to be something which isn't true, it's just another student organization , very weak in the university, (perhaps because according to some is full of "pequeños burgueses) and must be a little more humble