black panthers

[FistFullOfSteel]

i dont know so much about this group,can u guys give me info about them?
write what do u think about them?

a guy said that black panthers wanna kill all white people?



:cuba:

[Hampton]

That guys a fool.

http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/worker...black-panthers/ (http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/)

http://homowo.tripod.com/ananse'sgrape...evine/id14.html (http://homowo.tripod.com/ananse'sgrapevine/id14.html)

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/calheritage/panthers/

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/

[FistFullOfSteel]

thank you!



:cuba:

[RBG Soldier]

Peace Hugo,

The Black Panther Part for Self-Defense (i.e their original name) started in the Black Community in Oakland,Ca in 1966. At the begining Brother Huey. P Newton was the founder along with his comrade in struggle Bobby Seales with the other four members that join shotly after which was little Bobby Hutton,Sherman Forte, Elbert Howard,Reginald Forte. For more info on the BPP. Read "Revolutionary Suicide" by Huey P. Newton "Seize The Time" by Bobbly Seale and "A Taste of Power" By Elaine Brown (i.e first and only woman to be head of the Black Panther Party)

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I heard the Black Panthers support the Black nationalist movement :

[RBG Soldier]

Let me clear this up. The Black Panther Party wasn't racist in no way but at the same time. They believe and practice Malcolm X teaching in which he stated that whites must organize amongst themselves. This doesn't mean that the Black Panther Party followed all of malcolm's teachings but Malcolm X philosophy was the Blueprint in which Huey P. Newton took and put into action.

THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY
Ten Point Platform & Program
October 1966
WHAT WE WANT
WHAT WE BELIEVE



1. WE WANT freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black Community.
WE BELIEVE that black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny.

2. WE WANT full employment for our people.
WE BELIEVE that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the white American businessmen will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

3. WE WANT an end to the robbery by the CAPITALIST of our Black Community.
WE BELIEVE that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of black people. We will accept the payment in currency, which will be distributed, to our many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for the genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered six million Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over fifty million black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.

4. WE WANT decent housing, fit for the shelter of human beings.
WE BELIEVE that if the white landlords will not give decent housing to our black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people.

5. WE WANT education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present-day society.
WE BELIEVE in an educational system that will give to our people knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.

6. WE WANT all black men to be exempt from military service.
WE BELIEVE that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like black people, are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.

7. WE WANT an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of black people.
WE BELIEVE we can end police brutality in our black community by organizing black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self- defense.

8. WE WANT freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
WE BELIEVE that all black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.

9. WE WANT all black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.
WE BELIEVE that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that black people will receive fair trials. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the black community from which the black defendant came. We have been, and are being tried by all-white juries that have no understanding of the "average reasoning man" of the black community.

10. WE WANT land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace. And as our major political objective, a United Nations supervised plebiscite to be held throughout the black colony in which only black colonial subjects will be allowed to participate, for the purpose of determining the will of black people as to their national destiny.

WHEN, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

WE HOLD these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. **That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. ** Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. **But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. **



Power to the People!

[RBG Soldier]

No your thinking of Dr.Khalid Muhammad and his organization which is called "The New Black Panther Party. Which is reality is nothing close to the Original. Dr. Khalid Muhammad philosophy is from a religious perpective and not from a Political one. Which in my eyes are too Big different things. Co-Founder and Chairman of the Original Black Panther Party Bobby Seale and David Hillard. Don't support Dr.Khalid Muhammad in no way. Also if the Original Party were Black Nationalist. I don't think such people like Jane Fonda and Abbi Hoffman would have donated money to an organization that was racist....

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 01:55 PM
I heard the Black Panthers support the Black nationalist movement :
I'm pretty sure they were the movement for quite some time. But Black Nationalism isn't go out and kill whitey, it's trying to attain power for your life, community, and government by certain means.

[RBG Soldier]

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation
In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.

Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.

Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.

The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?

Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.

For further reading on the Black Panther Party, please visit our website at www.blackpanther.org. Books by and about the Black Panthers can also be purchased online through this site. Suggested reading includes Revolutionary Suicide, To Die for the People, War Against the Panthers, This Side of Glory, and A Taste of Power.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by RBG [email protected] 23 2003, 07:01 PM

THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY
Ten Point Platform & Program
October 1966
WHAT WE WANT
WHAT WE BELIEVE
This is a great thread. I have been thinking about the BPP recently.
I like that freedom quote from Malcolm X. Its always good to hear someone talk that doesn't bullshit about freedom and doesn't speak hypocriticaly about beliefs without acting. I have a great deal of respect for the kind of militant resistance the BPP stood for. I would like to see this sort of activity in my environment. I had heard that they were a Marxist group, I would like to be sure. They spoke a great message.

Power to the People!

[Hampton]

They were.

"Marxism didn't even come into play with our organization until we picked up a red book one day. But the Black Panther Party had nothing to do with it; it didn't evolve out of Marxism. ... From 1962-1965, the Black Panther Party was based on a complete study and research of African and African-American people's history of struggle. That's truly what it came out of. If you notice, in our 10-point platform and program we make no Marxist statements.

In terms of the concept of economics at that time, what I developed best was a concept of community-controlled cooperatives in the black community, which largely I picked up from W.E.B. Dubois. So I mean, I sort of got there from W.E.B. Dubois and a few other reads. But Marxist-Leninism per se was really a latter development: not until 1968 that we really considered the Red Book required reading."--Bobby Seale

[RBG Soldier]

The BPP were'nt a marxist group, but they were more of a maoist group but like brother hampton post stated with the qoute of chairman Bobby Seale it was on accident not purpose. Huey P. Newton read alot of chairman mao's books. One panther that was a marxist/communist was Field Marshall George Jackson. The message the panthers had was great. We can have the same message......

[Alejandro C]

the BPP always had it right in my mind. they always had ideas that i agreed with. i have always admired what they did politically more than anyone except Che. i could not find a better organization through history. i've found too many faults with fidel, too many faults with the wobblie, weakness with the yippies and hippies, vanity with the chineses communists to a point of idiocy, sectarianism to an extreme with the soviets. i never was able to find a group that i agreed with on every point until i really started studying the Panthers. one of the most admirable qualities was their strength and belief in self. this is why they never consciously followed an ideology, not marxism or black nationalism. those ideologies followed them. the strength of Huey P. Newton threw blood in the face of an america that was blind to its own sins. Huey was also strong within the party, excomunicating eldridge cleaver when it became clear the cleaver was not interested in helping the people, only himself. I am firmly conviced that without cointelpro and the massacres by the government we would have just one political party today in america: The Black Panthers.

[RBG Soldier]

True indeed. Soldier, They were the one of the best revolutionary group in histroy. Che was a genius with a true love and passion for the peoples struggle and the people in general.

[RBG Soldier]

Can you tell me what that has to do with the Black Panther Party, and their message? Can you inform me?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Alejandro [email protected] 27 2003, 10:30 PM
I am firmly conviced that without cointelpro and the massacres by the government we would have just one political party today in america: The Black Panthers.
This is hopeful yet sad. I would like to see a revival of this great kind of organization. Maybe on a larger scale. If we could be there now, coulden't we start to make our way? How would the oppressive fascistic government of the US act toward this? Any thoughts?

[Alejandro C]

how could the US act toward us?

the patriot act allows them to do anything they damn well want to. they can wiretap us without the courts permission. spy on us. infiltrate. hell they could 'arrest' us and lock us up out of the country for as long as they want WITHOUT EVEN TELLING US WHAT WE'RE BEING ARRESTED FOR. i.e. that's exactly what's happened to 300 in guantanamo bay right now. they've been arrested and detained without being charged and without being able to see a lawyer since the weeks after 9/11. yep two years.

there is so much demand for a movement like the panthers right now that if one came into existence it would explode overnight. hell, you and i could be the leaders, the next bobby and huey. a party like that coming into existence now would be hard to stop, even for the US

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Alejandro and co., I enjoy your optimism but I think that the American power structure of government and media conglomerates is too deeply rooted into the web of American culture for a movement like that to sweep the nation. It is sad when you compare present-day America with America from the 60-s and see that they are SO similar- yet there is no mass upheaval of society as was experienced in the 60's.

Instead? Most now are CONTENT to live their work-a-day lives, watch their TVs/MTV/any other cultural institution, and are fed the lies without even opening their eyes. American Culture today is not political like it was in the 60's, and this is why so many people don't know or don't care.

So, despite the injustices being pushed through the works as we speak, most americans will go on not caring, and would share the same attitude toward any revolutionary movement like the panthers, who were indeed righteous.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Also, the part of the ten point platform on education struck me as a very important point. The American education system didn't tell me ANYTHING about the black panthers--the civil rights movement in all its importance for the nation is just a sidenote in an American history class. I didn't even know of Fred Hampton until I heard RATM mention him, and I looked it up myself. But naturally, the american machine won't tell you about all the ways it has messed up and all the people, both american and foreign, it has killed. The panthers were right.

[FistFullOfSteel]

its very interesting text on the websites on black panthers.i know more about them now.
thank u guys!

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Alejandro [email protected] 28 2003, 05:59 AM
hell, you and i could be the leaders, the next bobby and huey. a party like that coming into existence now would be hard to stop, even for the US
You know I'm in but I don't know, like Mr Mojo Risin'said, if it would make that great of a difference. If we could really get out to the public, maybe it would do some good. Keep thinking :hammer:

[Hampton]

THIS DAY IN BLACK PANTHER HISTORY:

On October 28, 1967: After stopping Huey Newton & Gene McKinney, Oakland Patrolman John Frey is killed and Patrolman Herbert Heanes wounded; Newton is critically injured and arrested. Huey's trial and the movement that would become the Free Huey movement would catapult the BPP into nationwide fame and bring the issues of oppressed to the forefront of American society.

Brought to you by Hampton.

[Alejandro C]

that first trial was so fucked up. i never understood why Huey was aquitted of shooting Heanes but convicted of shooting Frey. he was convicted of shooting frey because of heanes' testimony. heanes also testified that Huey shot him(heanes). why would the jury not believe heanes when he said he shot him(heanes) but the jury did believe him that huey shot frey. if heanes was lying about huey shooting him, did they really think he was telling the truth about huey shooting frey. fucked up.

wow that explanation was fucked up too. fucking pronouns.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Alejandro,

Our laws are just words on paper... rather worthless when radicals are involved. The state will imprison them, and will not always bother to make sure the rationale makes any damn sense...

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 29 2003, 07:23 PM
Alejandro,

Our laws are just words on paper... rather worthless when radicals are involved. The state will imprison them, and will not always bother to make sure the rationale makes any damn sense...
True but I am surprised quite often by the arrogance in which these actions are taken. Really, they would rather make lies up to convince people of a just cuase, than actually think up a good cover in the first place. The real problem is that there are even less processes needed now to fuck over radicals in a legal way (not to say that the government follows it's own rules). All the more reason we cannot stand alone. Organization is key, network through the community.

[FistFullOfSteel]

i like this text very much.



What did the Panthers do to serve the people?
"We recognized that in order to bring the people to the level of consciousness where they would seize the time, it would be necessary to serve their interests in survival by developing programs which would help them to meet their daily needs. For a long time we have had such programs not only for survival but for organizational purposes. Now we not only have a breakfast program for school children, we have clothing programs, we have health clinics which provide free medical and dental services, we have programs for prisoners and their families, and we are opening clothing and shoe factories to provide for more of the needs of the community. Most recently we have begun a research and testing program on sickle-cell anemia, and we know that 98 percent of the victims of this disease are Black. To fail to combat this disease is to submit to genocide; to battle it is survival."

"All of our survival programs are free. We have never charged the community a dime to receive the things they need from any of our programs and we will not do so. We will not get caught up in a lot of embarrassing question or paperwork that alienate the people. If they have a need we will serve their needs and attempt to get them to understand the true reasons why they are in need in such an incredibly rich land."


PEACE!

[FistFullOfSteel]

it is a friend i talked to,he said he thought black panthers were like wannabe commies cause they served only the black people for houseing clothing etc

but i think is right,the black people have been oppressed..

[Hampton]

Well the Panthers did consider themselves to be Communists, so he's right in that respect. In a way they did only serve the black poor because they needed the help the most and been beaten down the most. You can also look it at in the way that they helped everyone by exposing the government for being a racist institution only looking out for themselves and trying to get something more out of it, something that would help everyone.

Nice avatar ;)

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 05:19 PM
Well the Panthers did consider themselves to be Communists, so he's right in that respect. In a way they did only serve the black poor because they needed the help the most and been beaten down the most. You can also look it at in the way that they helped everyone by exposing the government for being a racist institution only looking out for themselves and trying to get something more out of it, something that would help everyone.

Nice avatar ;)
thanks.



The white people has always been the "Higher" men,but black panther changed that..




peace!

[FistFullOfSteel]

I like this pic