"Mohamer Gaddafi, AFRICAN HERO"

[Bolshy]

"Mohamer Gaddafi, AFRICAN HERO" - mzone & azeez jackson with jota
Uploaded to YouTube on October 29, 2008

(Note: This music video was made by two young Liberian musicians in 2008, when Muammar Gaddafi of Libya was elected President of the 53 nation African Union.

Gaddafi advocated the formation of a "United States of Africa" with its own single African military force, currency, and passport for Africans to travel within the continent.

This would significantly reduce or eliminate Africa's dependence on imperialists. - Bolshy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYlxuKnW3GI
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Lyrics:
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Mohamer * * gaddafi
is our hero * * africa hero
he is the one health us
he is the one come and hold us then show us the way
ooh is our hero * * africa hero
when could not see * * * our hero made it be
when could not work * * * our hero made it be
in your heart * * * we could never get it on
we think that all is gone
we like baby on mother breast
we like baby sucking on mother breast
ooh hero *** africa heo

RAP CHOURS

mohamer gaddafi he is the one we talking about
he is come around us like angel and hold our hand
like man in the mirror * * *saw the vision
put nation together * * * he is a hero
making life have meaning * * * never leave us in dark
never same think change * * * never leave us in our hurt
like Kwame Nkrumah & se lase in our memory is hurt
we pray god every day * * to keep our hero the guide
makeing the way for this man let enemy 's die
mohamer gaddafi we love you and wish the best
***********************************
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is me azeez jackson greating from Liberia
in speshal corporate with little brother
mazen abdo mohamed slime sudane from halfa
share dedication to you our father
gaddafi mlaeka * * africa is better
when come togather
stoping all that feeling when make us break up
bringing the one make our mine stuck up
share feeling make us get the reason
in this seazon
when all come togather one will see meaning
on nation one people * * * africa beginning
we tallking about all love we talking about all huge
we talking about all the love you giveus when you starter
honoring & respect we give it to you
mohamer gaddafi
we love you and we wish the best

[Per Levy]

oh an "african hero" he is now, yeah tell to all the african people he incarcerated in camps for the european union, tell that the lybian people who were poor while the "african hero" was swiming in money, tell that every african person gaddafi helped to kill.

[Sasha]

how fitting, such a terrible song for such a terrible person

[CommunityBeliever]

I think this song has to be re-written to be in past tense now. Qadaffi is finished.

Qadaffi was a representative of the heroic people of Libya who gave the country an HDI of 7.55 (more then any other country in Africa) but NATO put an end to that by destroying Libya's infrastructure and taking its resources for itself.

[Rooster]

Qadaffi was an African hero who helped give Libya an HDI of 7.55 (more then any other country in Africa) but NATO put an end to that by destroying Libya's infrastructure and taking its resources for itself.

http://lindiependente.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/silvio-berlusconi-e-gheddafi-agosto-200811.jpg

[ColonelCossack]

http://lindiependente.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/silvio-berlusconi-e-gheddafi-agosto-200811.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/ap090831021002.jpg

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[Thirsty Crow]

What's the deal, he's fraternally shaking hands with bourgeois heads of state?

[ColonelCossack]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/ap090831021002.jpg

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What's the deal, he's fraternally shaking hands with bourgeois heads of state?

That's hugo Chavez... you know? Venezuelan socialist?

[Sasha]

I think socialist is giving Chavez a bit much credit, he is a (quite authoritarian) radical social democrat.
I think it was more their shared military coup pasts, oil entrepreneuring and dictatorial tendencies that is the basis of their friendship than their social policys

[Tim Cornelis]

That's hugo Chavez... you know? Venezuelan socialist?

Is he now?

[ColonelCossack]

I think socialist is giving Chavez a bit much credit, he is a (quite authoritarian) radical social democrat.
I think it was more their shared military coup pasts, oil entrepreneuring and dictatorial tendencies that is the basis of their friendship than their social policys

Hasn't he been elected several times by the overwhelming majority of the people, and has been subject to a US coup in the past? Forgive me if I'm wrong, i don't know too much about Venezuela...

Anyhow, Chavez is better than capitalism at any rate.

[CommunityBeliever]

Is he now? Yes he is socialist now. But earlier, when he was an infant, he was not.

[Sasha]

Hasn't he been elected several times by the overwhelming majority of the people, and has been subject to a US coup in the past? Forgive me if I'm wrong, i don't know too much about Venezuela...

Anyhow, Chavez is better than capitalism at any rate.

Like said, he is a radical social democrat/populist. Former Thai president Taksin has enormous support too, he is not a socialist either.
And Chavez tried his own hand at a coup way before he became on the receiving end of one himself.

[EvilRedGuy]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/ap090831021002.jpg

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What a joke.

Chavez... the new bourgeoisie

[Thirsty Crow]

That's hugo Chavez... you know? Venezuelan socialist?
Oh really, is that Comrade Hugo?
Jeez, didn't know.


Hasn't he been elected several times by the overwhelming majority of the people, and has been subject to a US coup in the past? Forgive me if I'm wrong, i don't know too much about Venezuela...

Anyhow, Chavez is better than capitalism at any rate.
Oh here's a nice demarcation between bourgeois politicians and SOCIALISTS.
They've won the elections by a big difference and the American intelligence tried to get him dead.

What political insights.

[CommunityBeliever]

Hugo Chavez is an anti-imperialist, who was nearly assassinated by the thugs and mercenaries of the American empire:

http://latammilitary.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/hugo_chavez_under_arrest_in_turiamo_2002_.jpg?w=31 5&h=233

He has since worked for the anti-imperialist cause of Latin American independence with organisations such as the Boliviraian alliance for our Americas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Alliance_for_the_Americas), which has decided to switch away from the economic-imperialist U.S dollar to the SUCRE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUCRE).

http://hondurasoye.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/sucre.jpeg?w=300&h=302

Venezuela has also made close economic ties with Cuba. Cuba's main trading partner is now Venezuela, followed by the People's Republic of China.

http://media.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/photo/81bcb85f9d5d891613a09a9d8f53217e.jpg

Furthermore, Venezuela is now working on "Socialism in the 21th century" which has many progressive (socialist) economic policies such as universal health care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Venezuela) that have mainly been inspired by the Cuban example.

[ColonelCossack]

They've won the elections by a big difference and the American intelligence tried to get him dead.


So you're saying that just because someone won an election they can't be socialist?

Well, that rules out Salvador Allende, the communist party of nepal, and various other communist parties...

[Thirsty Crow]

So you're saying that just because someone won an election they can't be socialist?

Well, that rules out Salvador Allende, the communist party of nepal, and various other communist parties...
Nope, I'm saying that your criteria for what constitutes a socialist political organization is beyond flawed. It's unbelievebly stupid.

[BuddhaInBabylon]

African hero my ass.
The enemy of our enemy. Is not of necessity our friend. This is a chronic tendency of our movement that I feel is very dangerous. Where are the voices of our libyan comrades on this?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Whatever his faults may have been (and I'm sure we can disagree on this) Qadaaffi should be forever saluted for his support of far sighted progressive African leaders such as Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Emperor Bokassa I, Omar El Bashir and Robert Mugabe.

The King of Kings of Africa also bestowed his kindness on far sighted European leaders such as Silvio Berlesconni and the great Austrian statesman Jorge Haider.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

So you're saying that just because someone won an election they can't be socialist?

Well, that rules out Salvador Allende, the communist party of nepal, and various other communist parties...

Allende, however sad and tragic his murder was, was a social democrat.If he were a communist he might still be alive today and Chile would have been spared a vast tragedy. The Nepalese Maoists are bourgeois parties. Being "elected" is not any criteria of being a socialist.

The Italian CP won many local elections. They were Eurocoomunists, not communists.

[Tifosi]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/ap090831021002.jpg

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Damm, we can do these "he shock hands with him/her!?" photo battles all fucking day.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LWXfO_9CJtc/Seq0b72ij6I/AAAAAAAAEu8/VgphQYayuW8/s400/Chavez2.jpg

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1405888/article_images/headline_1210967621.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50638000/jpg/_50638105_010929976-1.jpg

Totally in-depth analysis going on in here. It's 'glory' by association.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Hillary or Angelika don't get the brother handshake. Barry sort of does, its hard to tell what's going on their.

[Bolshy]

Note: The music video in the OP was made by two young Liberian musicians in 2008, when Muammar Gaddafi of Libya was elected President of the 53 nation African Union.

Gaddafi advocated the formation of a "United States of Africa" with its own single African military force, currency, and passport for Africans to travel within the continent.

This would significantly reduce or eliminate Africa's dependence on imperialists. - Bolshy

[Ocean Seal]

What's the deal, he's fraternally shaking hands with bourgeois heads of state?
Yes, I don't get this. People act as if its the worst thing in the world to be in a picture with bourgeois heads of state shaking their hands. That's basic diplomacy and it has little to do with their policies.

[Bolshy]

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[Bolshy]

"Libya is not Egypt and all rebellions are not Revolutions!
Hands off Libya, Hands off Africa!" (PDF)
http://www.aaprp-intl.org/pdfs/Libya.pdf

Source: All-African People’s Revolutionary Party (AAPRP)
http://www.aaprp-intl.org/

[Le Socialiste]

Mohamer Gaddafi, AFRICAN HERO


No.

[Le Rouge]

Seems like we'll never know the thruth

I do believe he was a good person. But is it true? Did he killed his people or not?

[Bolshy]

Seems like we'll never know the thruth

I do believe he was a good person. But is it true? Did he killed his people or not?
"The reports of Libya mobilizing its air force against its own people spread quickly around the world. However, Russia's military chiefs say they have been monitoring from space -- and the pictures tell a different story. According to Al Jazeera and BBC, on February 22 Libyan government inflicted airstrikes on Benghazi -- the country's largest city -- and on the capital Tripoli. However, the Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground. At this point, the Russian military is saying that, as far as they are concerned, the attacks some media were reporting have never occurred."
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[Sasha]

Seems like we'll never know the thruth

I do believe he was a good person. But is it true? Did he killed his people or not?


yes he killed his people, for decades: http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/libya

[Invader Zim]

I think this song has to be re-written to be in past tense now. Qadaffi is finished.

Qadaffi was a representative of the heroic people of Libya who gave the country an HDI of 7.55 (more then any other country in Africa) but NATO put an end to that by destroying Libya's infrastructure and taking its resources for itself.


One of the measures of HDI is GDP. So, if a country gains a lot of money for its elite, through oil sales, then it increases the HDI score without the masses seeing any actual benefit to standard of living.

[Bolshy]

yes he killed his people, for decades: http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/libya
Human Rights Watch, like Amnesty International, is a pro-imperialist organization.

[Invader Zim]

Human Rights Watch, like Amnesty International, is a pro-imperialist organization.

Even if this is true, and we ignore the fact that Amnesty Internation and Human Rights Watch have regularly criticised various imperialist programs, you are still attacking the source as opposed to the evidence that source presents and writing off the argument because you lack the ability to discredit the evidence presented on its own merits and instead are presenting an entirely disengenous and intellectually dishonest red herring to deflect criticism of a highly reactionary, anti-working class and crypto-fascist regime.

[Thirsty Crow]

Even if this is true, and we ignore the fact that Amnesty Internation and Human Rights Watch have regularly criticised various imperialist programs, you are still attacking the source as opposed to the evidence that source presents and writing off the argument because you lack the ability to discredit the evidence presented on its own merits and instead are presenting an entirely disengenous and intellectually dishonest red herring to deflect criticism of a highly reactionary, anti-working class and crypto-fascist regime.
And that's what the "anti-imperialism" of certain political tendencies comes down. A simple refusal to engage the facts because of a supposed ideological bias of the organizations in question which implies that there is always a possibility that they've made things up. A variant of the conspiracy theories in fact.

[ColonelCossack]

Allende, however sad and tragic his murder was, was a social democrat.

Better than capitalism!


Being "elected" is not any criteria of being a socialist.

I never said it was.

I just said that being elected doesn't necessarily mean that you're not a socialist.

[Bolshy]

Video: Libyan sister talks of being a woman in Libya
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[Invader Zim]

Yeah, clearly Ghadaffi spent a fortune on social welfare programs for Libyan workers and women, I guess that is why literacy rates were so high... oh wait. It seems that, as it happens over 25% of Libyan women are not given basic access to education and are, as a result, illiterate.

http://www.indexmundi.com/libya/literacy.html

Maybe if Gadaffi's regime wasn't among the top 30 largest spenders on military (as a % of GDP) in the world at 26 (only just behind the USA who rank at 24) then more Libyan women would be literate.

Your Quisling attitude towards crypto-fascism is noted.

[Thirsty Crow]

Better than capitalism!

So you think that "capitalism" and "social democracy" are anthitetical?

[ColonelCossack]

So you think that "capitalism" and "social democracy" are anthitetical?

No. But equally, I never said they were the same thing.

Stop putting words into my mouth!!!

[Thirsty Crow]

No. But equally, I never said they were the same thing.

Stop putting words into my mouth!!!
Maybe you ought to express yourself more clearly then, since a statement along the lines of "A is better than B" (replace A and B with our pair of terms) tends to imply a relationship of antithesis. Also, it does not make any sense to conclude that a specific variant of capitalist relations of production is better than...these same capitalist relations of production in general.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

And so the historical revisionism begins.

They started out cautiously, saying that Qaddafi was simply the least bad option.

Now that he's finished, they can make a martyr out of him. :rolleyes:

[Red Future]

TBH I was sort of expecting this to occur after his disappearance.

[Le Rouge]

So... Kaddafi did some good things, but like everyone he made some mistakes?
Did he killed any of his people? I personnally think he never did that, but I want to know your opinion guys.

[Sasha]

So... Kaddafi did some good things, but like everyone he made some mistakes?
Did he killed any of his people? I personnally think he never did that, but I want to know your opinion guys.


did he kill any of his people? what do you think? that he stayed in power for 40 years because he was loved by the people or that he was a ruthless dictator presiding over a brutal police state?
and yes, he killed his people, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Salim_prison was a famous case even before the uprising

[Sam_b]

This is the most pathetic thread that has ever graced the Music forum.

[EvilRedGuy]

And you're the most pathetic person that has ever graced the Music forum.

:). Interesting discussion, ignore the dog go on.

[Invader Zim]

And you're the most pathetic person that has ever graced the Music forum.

:). Interesting discussion, ignore the dog go on.

I don't think that is fair, I kind of agree with Sam. What is there to discuss any more?

[Sam_b]

And you're the most pathetic person that has ever graced the Music forum.


I know it seems de rigueur to troll other parts of this forum, but please don't bring it into Music thanks.

[Tablo]

This is the most pathetic thread that has ever graced the Music forum.
I didn't even know this was in the music forum until I read your post.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

^Likewise. It has nothing to do with music.

[thefinalmarch]

I simply wouldn't label what the OP posted as 'music'.

[RebelAssault]

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[scarletghoul]

not the best song in the world but i agree with the message

btw i would not say 'gaddafi is finished' just yet. he still has a lot of support, some territory, etc.. in fact i am sure he will win. even if he gets killed, he will win.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

He was an opportunist to the first degree. He only switched to his pan-Africa rhetoric after his repeated attempts at pan-Arabism fell flat. Easy to see how he finds a cheerleading section among some of the most backward and opportunist sections of the left then.

[tachosomoza]

Whatever his faults may have been (and I'm sure we can disagree on this) Qadaaffi should be forever saluted for his support of far sighted progressive African leaders such as Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Emperor Bokassa I, Omar El Bashir and Robert Mugabe.

The King of Kings of Africa also bestowed his kindness on far sighted European leaders such as Silvio Berlesconni and the great Austrian statesman Jorge Haider.

You better be joking.

[thefinalmarch]

You better be joking.
I shed a tear if you interpreted it seriously.