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Die Rote Fahne
26th August 2011, 07:07
Well, I'm having a huge Zombie kick recently, ever since I watched the first season of The Walking Dead...so good...

I watched 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Dawn of the Dead (2004), and I tried to watch Day of the Dead (2008) and turned it off 20 minutes in...horrible movie...I have yet to see the originals btw...

So, what are some badass, or you know...good, zombie movies? I don't know of any more, and It's going to be a while before World War Z comes out...

Any suggestion?

Rooster
26th August 2011, 07:14
The remake of Night of the Living Dead(1990 I think) is a great movie, and I think an improvement on the original. Then you have Romero's Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead (not the remakes) that you really should watch. His later trilogy is okay, but not as good as the first; Land of the Dead, Diary of the Dead and Survival of the Dead. You have be careful with the Romero movies because people have used or copied the names of this films. Most of which are terrible. There's also Shaun of the Dead which is a British comedy but I think it's a decent watch.

You can also try Wasting Away, which is another comedy film. Or maybe the first two Return of the Living Dead films. They're also comedies but they were made by, I think, the producer who worked with Romero on the original Night of the Living Dead film. They've got some cool effects in them and are kinda cheesy, but I like them anyway. Then there's Zombieland, which is okay I guess, but I dislike it when Zombies run. Which leads me onto the British zombie TV mini series called Dead Set. Which is kinda half way decent despite it's small budget. Then you get the Resident Evil movies which are again okay. Then you get the.... Zombi italian films. Usually their special effects are great, but the films themselves are awful. They're usually in the style of Mondo films, I think, and for some reason they always end up in a jungle.

And I hate to say this but.... I thought Zombie Strippers was a pretty good Zombie movie.

Pirate Utopian
26th August 2011, 12:26
Having seen literally over a 150 of them, I think I can help. And yes the Day of the Dead remake is horrible.


Zombi 2
Speaking of Fulci movies he released a few zombie movies with supernatural themes to them including The Beyond, City of the Living Dead and The House by the Cemetery.
Let Sleeping Corpses Lie
Return of the Living Dead 1 and 2 (3 is some kind of dark romance movie with zombies, it was so okay it's average) especially the first one,
Dead Snow has people fighting Nazi zombies! This was done before but never this cool. Other worthwile Nazi zombie movies include Shockwaves and your mileage may vary but the so bad it's good movie Zombie Lake.
Romero series up to and including Land of the Dead was really good,
Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland are hilarious,
Brain Dead or as they call it in some places Dead Alive is hilarious just make sure to watch the uncensored version.
Evil Dead series, all of them, not pure zombies but they come pretty close plus the movies are alot of fun. Especially the second and third one.
There's also the overlooked zombie-meets-blaxploitation movie Sugar Hill, released in 1974 I think. So dont confuse it with a movie released in 1999 which has no zombies as far as I know.
Night of the Creeps and Night of the Comet both work with a cool cheesy 80s feel.
Slither takes a lot of inspiration from the two movie named above.
The Spanish Blind Dead movies have a great creepy atmosphere. A must if you like European horror.
Re-Animator is a classic for a reason. I also like the two sequels but the first is the best of the series.
Burial Ground: Nights of Terror is a movie that's thoroughly in the "so bad it's good" area. So much so that it's hilarious. Especially with this incredibly creepy kid called Michael who is played by a grown man. It's not intentional comedy but believe me, you'll laugh alot anyway.
Zombie '90: Extreme Pestilence is also this as long as you can see the English dub. The movie has no plot so the voiceovers didnt care just started cracking jokes. This makes the movie look like a trashy comedy with cheap gore.
If you want more "so bad it's good" check out Hell of the Living Dead, Flesheater (made by the man who played the very first zombie in NotLD) and The Dead Next Door. Bonus points to the latter because Bruce Campbell did the opening narration.
I cant make up my mind if I geniunely like the two Brazilian Plaga Zombie movies or if they're so bad it's good but they are certainly fun. Second one especially has alot of comedy in it.
The original Crazies also by Romero contains "technically living zombies" but if you like his proper zombie movies you'll probably like this one all the same.
Cemetery Man mixes zombies with surreal comedy.
Before Romero made NotLD zombies were voodoo slaves and they've made some good movies out that, most famously the kinda slow but still good White Zombie, which has Bela "Dracula" Lugosi in it. But the best one was I Walked With A Zombie.
The movie The Last Man on Earth has Vincent Price technically fighting off vampires but they act like zombies. In fact, Romero based NotLD on this movie and the book, I Am Legend, alot.
And last but certainly not least, the miniseries Dead Set made by the genius Charlie Brooker. Excellent satire of reality TV.


So those are my recommendations, sorry I couldnt be of more help.

EDIT: Blind Dead movies are Spanish not Italian. Same feel like typical Italian horror though.

piet11111
26th August 2011, 15:38
Download the walking dead tv series really well made and season 2 should be starting soon.

Also Dog house :laugh:

Os Cangaceiros
26th August 2011, 23:32
I'm afraid that I'm not match for Pirate Utopian's viewing amount, but I have seen my fair share. My favorites:

1) Night of the Living Dead (just because of how influential it was)
2) Dead Alive
3) Re-Animator
4) Dellamorte Dellamore
5) Dawn of the Dead (remake)
6) Premutos: The Fallen Angel
7) Violent Shit 3: Infantry of Doom
8) Evil Dead 2
9) Mud Zombie
10) The House by the Cemetery (cuz Dr. Freudstein's a zombie)

Only one Romero film in there! That's how you can tell a true zombie film fan. :cool:

Rss
27th August 2011, 16:20
Norwegian Død snø (Dead Snow) is definitely worth it. Silly zombie comedy with lots of blood, guts and nazi zombies. One of the characters uses two very familiar tools to smite the undead fascist plague.

LewisQ
29th August 2011, 05:26
Good selection from Pirate Utopian there. I'm not a connoisseur of zombie flicks, but if you're into horror films, let alone zombie films, you simply have to see the original three Romeros. Night Of The Living Dead is one of a tiny handful of horror films which can be considered a serious work of art. Dawn Of The Dead is almost its equal. Both are progressive in their politics, although Dawn resulted in fines for the actors all-round, as it was a non-union picture (all Romero's subsequent films have been unionised). Day Of The Dead is a little cheesier and a lot bleaker, but a strong end to the original and indispensable trilogy.

Dead And Buried (1981) is probably the only thing I'd add to Pirate Utopian's list. It's not strictly a zombie film, but to say more would be a spoiler. Worth checking out.

Shaun Of The Dead is a comic masterpiece with some genuinely chilling moments. In a way, though, I think it killed the genre. Once a genre has been definitively parodied, it's hard to take it seriously anymore. Other than [REC] and [REC2] (both of which you should see immediately if you haven't already), I can't think of many decent efforts in recent years. But hey, if there's one movie genre capable of coming back from the dead...

Die Rote Fahne
29th August 2011, 07:41
Thanks guys! Any of you looking forward to World War Z, like me? Brad fucking Pitt...shame it wasn't Leo, but oh well, Brad Pitt is still awesome. It will be an amazing film, I hope.

La Comédie Noire
29th August 2011, 07:46
The first ten minutes of the Dawn of The Dead remake and the opening credits are the best part of the movie, it all goes down hill after that.

Rss
29th August 2011, 12:12
As honorary mention, Left 4 Dead-series are very film-like. Especially when playing with friends first time. Midnight Riders Concert Finale is officially one of the best zombie scenes ever created.

Pirate Utopian
29th August 2011, 14:01
I really liked the book for World War Z so I cant wait for the movie.

Jimmie Higgins
29th August 2011, 14:33
Pirate Utopian covered most of the best, so I'll mostly just vote on ones from his list:

Night... Dawn... Land of the Dead are all fantastic. Day is not IMO, but worth watching and has probably the first real individual zombie character which is the best part of the movie.

Return of the Living Dead - English or dubbed Spanish: "MAAASSS CEREBROS!" The second one is a retread, but OK and I'll watch it if it comes on TV or I'm doing a Zombie marathon. As much as I love Romero's zombies, this movie really added a lot to the pop-culture conception of zombies. I also love the contamination aspect: it's zombies as AIDS, as Nuclear Waste, as Environmental polution... as 1980s as Romero's were 1960s and 70s.

28 days later is so good that I actually enjoy 28 weeks later too:lol:

Evil Dead/Evil Dead 2 - and Drag Me to Hell (for the goat, it's not a zombie movie at all).

I am Legend (monster: vampires)/Omega Man (monster: Charelon Heston... err mutants). Neither is really a zombie movie, but the I am Legend story really helped create the siege of gouls thing that most zombie movies of the Romero sort are based on.

Wild Zero - rock and roll zombies... when you need help, just call Guitar Wolf.

My Boyfriend's Back - not the best, but cheesy fun and P.S. Hoffman plays the school bully.

Shaun of the Dead - just fantastic. Zombieland, ok but the cameo is worth the entire movie (and enjoying a movie with Woody Harrison is a unexpected bonus).

Pirate Utopian
29th August 2011, 16:14
Fuck. How did I forget Wild Zero? That movie is awesome.

Rooster
29th August 2011, 16:28
I don't have high hopes for WWZ. I didn't much like the book.

Anyway, I've also heard that Deadgirl is supposed to be a good movie. I haven't seen it though. It's fairly recent (2008). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896534/

There's also the comedy film Fido (2006). I think it's Canadian. Again, I haven't seen it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457572/ I've also heard good things about it.

Jimmie Higgins
29th August 2011, 16:39
Disappointed by Fido. Saw it in the theater and loved the premise, but it didn't do much with it IMO.

Jimmie Higgins
29th August 2011, 16:45
Everyone here should become millionaires and give me some money to make a low-budget zombie movie. My girlfriend and I have an outline for one - we made it a year or so after 9/11 when zombies were still a novel rage:lol:.

It would be about workers at a sanitation plant whose job it was to dispose of bodies before they reanimate in a post-zombie plague society. So anyone who dies becomes a zombie after a couple of hours and there are municipal agencies to remove the bodies and take them to cremation centers. The post-9/11 aspects of it were that the governmnet wants to create a new federal task force to handle outbreaks of zombies and they begin profiling the elderly and sick people in the way they do Arabs or other targeted groups. So a sub-plot of the movie would be rebellious old people who act like teenagers because they are constantly hassled by cops and suspicious civilians (who might ask to check their pulse or ask conspicuous questions about their health). The movie ends with an uprising of old people with echoes of "Zero for Conduct".

graymouser
29th August 2011, 17:26
Yeah, I've seen a lot of the list from Pirate Utopian. The Romero films - particularly Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead - are justifiably classics and rate, IMO, as some of the best American horror films.

It's weird how Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland are much better than most of the "horror" zombie films recently, with the exception of 28 Days Later.

Personally I have a certain love of Flesheater which managed to take the '80s slasher formula (and as awful as they are I grew up on these flicks and love them) and substitute a killer for a zombie with for a workable film. Likewise, if you like Italian horror flicks, Burial Ground took that formula and added some really freaky zombies.

I think it's a little remiss to bring this up and not mention Planet Terror, Robert Rodriguez's gonzo over the top affectionate parody of zombie movies.

It's a huge field, that you can dive into with both hands and have a lot of fun with.

piet11111
29th August 2011, 18:08
The walking dead series is really good guys anyone else seen it ?

Its very impressing how "good" the zombies look and i like how they focus on the cast and how they try to survive.

Rooster
29th August 2011, 18:38
It's weird how Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland are much better than most of the "horror" zombie films recently

I think that might be because they follow their source material really closely, especially with Shaun of the Dead. The guys who made it are real big Romero fans (you can see them make a cameo in Land of the Dead). I think a lot of the newer zombie movies try too hard to be fast paced action films which I think detracts from the horror aspect and the slowness that accompanies the more classic films in the genre.

Rooster
29th August 2011, 18:44
Here's a list of zombie films if anyone is interested:

http://www.letmewatchthis.ch/?genre=Zombies

Pirate Utopian
29th August 2011, 18:47
I also had an idea for a zombie movie with political undertones, ala Romero.

The queen (Dutch queen Beatrix) would be infected by a curse after one of her travels to a fictional island the Netherlands colonised in the past. She becomes sick and eventually dies, turning her into a zombie. As a zombie she manages to infect other royals and a bunch of people who got to visit the royal palace as a price for a competition. The gates of the royal palace are sealed and she cant leave the premises of the palace.
This results in some people saying if maybe somebody should "get rid of the royals", especially considering she might break out. Mirroring the debate about wether or not to keep the queen around.

At Queens Day they would actually put the zombified royals in their golden carriage anyway "to keep up the tradition". This goes wrong resulting in a zombie epidemic and people having to clean up the mess themself.

Jimmie Higgins
29th August 2011, 19:03
At Queens Day they would actually put the zombified royals in their golden carriage anyway "to keep up the tradition".This is so fantastic! What a great image.

People better become millionaires so they can fund these movies!

Chairman Wow
29th August 2011, 19:27
[Rec] is absolutely superb. The sequel is not bad either.

kitsune
30th August 2011, 14:14
There's only a few that haven't been mentioned yet. Undead. The Mad was fun. Dance of the Dead was a lot better than I expected it to be. Bio-Zombie. Tokyo Zombie is both fun and stupid.

The Dark Side of the Moon
30th August 2011, 14:21
Dead snow best zombie movie ever

Magón
30th August 2011, 18:52
I think a lot of the newer zombie movies try too hard to be fast paced action films which I think detracts from the horror aspect and the slowness that accompanies the more classic films in the genre.

In an interview I saw with Romero awhile back, he mentioned that when he was making Land of the Dead (which studios came to him to make or something like that), he said he wasn't very impressed and excited, as he was with his other works later, like Diary of the Dead (which he came up with himself), because they wanted a somewhat blockbuster-y explosion zombie flick.

Personally I really enjoyed Diary of the Dead, because Romero goes back to a sort of Night of the Living Dead premise, where the people don't know what the hell is going on, and they're just trying to live to see what's happening.

Comrade_Stalin
31st August 2011, 03:28
For a while I been thing of the reason why so many people like zombie movies, and would like to have a dabte on the subject.

Here what I think the reason is; it reduces the civilization in any real zombie movie to a group of hunter and gatherer, where there is no producers, and there for no state. In a seens, it could be called pro-primitivists film, as they they show the only groups that have made it, are those that mostly scavenge for resouces.

What do you guy think is the reason why people like zombie movies?

Pirate Utopian
31st August 2011, 04:41
Because it makes ordinary people badasses. Shaun is probably the best example he was a loser first but thanks to the zombies he has a chance to prove himself. Or Ash from the Evil Dead movies, in the first movie he was a wimp, by the third movie he's a one-liner spewing badass. Even Lionel, the mama's boy from Brain Dead, was a badass at the end of his movie.

Jimmie Higgins
31st August 2011, 09:52
Yeah I think you're both onto it - or at least that's what I thought too.

In the "Dawn" remake the main protagonist is a "loser" who can't keep his marriage together and has a shit sales job - the same basic story with "Shaun of the Dead" but in a much more overt way.

In night of the living dead, normal unfair social norms are upset and the young black guy becomes leader of the survivors in the house (though not without a lot of struggle and conflict)... when "society" takes back the world the next day (SPOILER) he's shot dead on sight.

In "28 days later" the protagonist is a nobody bike messenger. In "Zombieland", like in "Shaun", zombie apocalypse is an opening for lonely looser to (re)make love connections.

I think in the more social-minded zombie movies (i.e. society falls apart in the movie, not that they are political movies necessarily) there is definitely an undercurrent that suggests that the social norms of modern society actually restrict people and without that, ordinary people or at least people who are not successful under the current order are able to reinvent themselves.

I don't know about the hunter-gatherer aspect because many of these movies are more siege/survivalist situations. These movies play on both a general sense of our society being in chaos (which is why zombies have been a popular theme in the post-9/11 as well as post-econ crisis era IMO) as well as a sense that maybe it's not entirely worth saving too. So Zombie movies probably appeal to left wing Socialists and Populists as well as Right-wing survivalist-fetishists and gun-nuts.

ColonelCossack
31st August 2011, 21:34
The evil dead, evil dead 2, and evil dead 3:army of darkness aren't necessarily zombie movies, but they involve physically zombie-like possessed people as well as bodies continuing to be animated when possessed, when normally they would have died, and are certainly very badass.

x359594
1st September 2011, 02:21
Just to remind all you youngsters, the earliest zombie movies were inspired by the Caribbean variety. White Zombie (1932) has an anti-capitalist sub-text in as much as the living dead are used as slave labor on a sugar plantation. Another zombie movie along the same lines is Revolt of the Zombies (1936.) Probably the best of the pre-Romero zombie movies is I Walked With a Zombie (1943) directed by Jacques Tourneur.

Philosopher Jay
1st September 2011, 04:21
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Jesus?.., No, just Bela Lugosi bringing people back from the dead in "White Zombie" (1932).


Early Christianity is filled with stories of apostles bringing people back from the dead. There seems to be more people coming back from the dead in early Christian literature than in the average zombie movie. Here is a short list.

New Testament Resurrections

Lazarus (Gospel of John, 11) raised by Jesus
Jairus’ daughter (Gospel of Mark .5) raised by Jesus
Tabitha (Acts of the Apostles, 9) raised by Peter
Jesus Christ (Four Gospels) raised by God?
Eutychus (Acts 20) raised by Paul
Many bodies of the saints (Gospel of Matthew, 27)
Paul? (Galatians, 2:20)

Outside New Testament

Youth in Linen Cloth (Secret Mark) raised by Jesus
Panchares’ son Barnabus (Acts of Paul) raised by Paul
Widow’s son (Acts of Peter) raised by Peter
Senator Nicostratus (Acts of peter) raised by Peter
Agrippa's son (Acts of Peter) raised by Agrippa
dead man at gate of Nicomedia, torn apart by dogs/demons (Acts of Andrew) raised by Andrew
Demon possessed soldier (Acts of Andrew) raised by Andrew
the proconsul Virinus' son (Acts of Andrew) raised by Andrew
farm child killed by serpent (Acts of Andrew) raised by pro-consul Virinus' wife.
Proconsul Lesbius (Acts of Andrew) raised by Andrew
Trophima's customer in Brothel (Acts of Andrew) raised by Andrew
Lycomedes the praetor of the Ephesians (Acts of John) raised by Cleopatra
Lycomedes' wife Cleopatra (Acts of John) raised by John
priest of Artemis (Acts of John) raised by kinsman
Father killed by son from Ephesus (Acts of John) raised by John
Callimachus (Acts of John) raised by John
Drusiana (Acts of John) raised by John
Fortunatus (Acts of John) raised by John
Aristodemus' two prisoners (Acts of John) raised by Aristodemus
comely girl in inn (Acts of Thomas) raised by Thomas
demon possessed woman and daughter (Acts of Thomas) raised by Thomas

Os Cangaceiros
1st September 2011, 05:18
Because it makes ordinary people badasses. Shaun is probably the best example he was a loser first but thanks to the zombies he has a chance to prove himself. Or Ash from the Evil Dead movies, in the first movie he was a wimp, by the third movie he's a one-liner spewing badass. Even Lionel, the mama's boy from Brain Dead, was a badass at the end of his movie.

Or the dude in "Monster Man". (about a redneck zombie who hunts people down in a monster truck.)

Lionel in Dead Alive is my favorite example of this, though. Dead Alive is one of the greatest romantic comedies of all time.

Comrade_Stalin
1st September 2011, 05:31
I don't know about the hunter-gatherer aspect because many of these movies are more siege/survivalist situations. These movies play on both a general sense of our society being in chaos (which is why zombies have been a popular theme in the post-9/11 as well as post-econ crisis era IMO) as well as a sense that maybe it's not entirely worth saving too. So Zombie movies probably appeal to left wing Socialists and Populists as well as Right-wing survivalist-fetishists and gun-nuts.

You know, I was just think about the same think. I was reading a book to a movie I saw, and found out that the book was very right wing, while the movie was very left wing. A ture shocker. I also found out that the movie World War Z will be different from the book, which was very right wing.

By the way has any one eles noted the differnece view of zombie form both the right and Left wing. I have noted that in right wing zombie books/movies, they say that "no amount of science can example zombie" and in Left wing books/movies there are exampled as a virus.

Rooster
1st September 2011, 07:34
By the way has any one eles noted the differnece view of zombie form both the right and Left wing. I have noted that in right wing zombie books/movies, they say that "no amount of science can example zombie" and in Left wing books/movies there are exampled as a virus.

What about the voodoo, magic or unexplained resurrections?

x359594
1st September 2011, 17:03
...Early Christianity is filled with stories of apostles bringing people back from the dead. There seems to be more people coming back from the dead in early Christian literature than in the average zombie movie....

Not to mention Jesus himself. I once saw a griffito that read, "Easter--Christian Zombie Day."

Comrade_Stalin
1st September 2011, 20:35
What about the voodoo, magic or unexplained resurrections?

All, of these fall under the "act of god" of right wing zombie movies, while the left is always about "acts of men".

Comrade_Stalin
1st September 2011, 20:39
Because it makes ordinary people badasses. Shaun is probably the best example he was a loser first but thanks to the zombies he has a chance to prove himself. Or Ash from the Evil Dead movies, in the first movie he was a wimp, by the third movie he's a one-liner spewing badass. Even Lionel, the mama's boy from Brain Dead, was a badass at the end of his movie.

But that is the point that most primitivists make. That we are all losers, or fish out of water, and the only way to become badasses is to return to a world were we are hunter-gatherer

Rooster
1st September 2011, 20:47
All, of these fall under the "act of god" of right wing zombie movies, while the left is always about "acts of men".

So Romero's movies are right wing? :confused:

Pirate Utopian
1st September 2011, 21:45
But that is the point that most primitivists make. That we are all losers, or fish out of water, and the only way to become badasses is to return to a world were we are hunter-gatherer

Most societys in zombie movies dont seem very primitivist to me. In Dawn of the Dead it's still pretty much capitalism, where Day of the Dead is waaay too authorian to be considered primitivist and the scientist is even portrayed as a good guy.

In fact in Dawn everything went well thanks to technology, it wasnt until the technology was ruined things went to hell again.

Comrade_Stalin
2nd September 2011, 04:12
So Romero's movies are right wing? :confused:

Romero's movies is the one where the black guy becomes the leader and get shot because they think he is a Zombie right?

Die Rote Fahne
2nd September 2011, 04:13
Guys, thanks for the movies and such. Keep em coming!

Comrade_Stalin
2nd September 2011, 04:14
Most societys in zombie movies dont seem very primitivist to me. In Dawn of the Dead it's still pretty much capitalism, where Day of the Dead is waaay too authorian to be considered primitivist and the scientist is even portrayed as a good guy.

In fact in Dawn everything went well thanks to technology, it wasnt until the technology was ruined things went to hell again.

You right it is ture that there is technology, and money in all of these film, but the world they live in moves form a world of producers to a world of users. Where people gather what they can and hide some were.

Invader Zim
3rd September 2011, 02:23
Shaun of the Dead, nuff said.

PS. 28 Days Later is not a zombie movie and neither are any of the Evil Dead films. The former involve people infected by a virus that pisses them off to the extent that they lose all self control and become mindless killing machines and the latter are possessed by evil spirits. As a result, in both cases, the victims do not exhibit many, if any, of the typical zombie characteristics. I.e. they aren't shambling corpses with a base desire to feed on brains. In 28 Days, they are very much still humans on a physical level, so if you hurt one and it bleeds out it will die. A zombie on the other hand you can hack up, but it will still keep coming. And, lets get serious, if you're going to call the Evil Dead a zombie film, you might as well say the same of the Exorcist. Madness.

Os Cangaceiros
3rd September 2011, 03:16
A zombie on the other hand you can hack up, but it will still keep coming.

Haven't you seen Evil Dead 2? That's exactly what happened!

Pirate Utopian
3rd September 2011, 05:08
Technically yes, the "zombies" in 28 Later are infected and not zombies, but some many call them that anyway that I dont bother to make the distinction anymore.

As for Evil Dead, it's also not a pure zombie movie but the deadites are very zombie-esque, especially in the third movie.

Jimmie Higgins
5th September 2011, 08:34
Technically yes, the "zombies" in 28 Later are infected and not zombies, but some many call them that anyway that I dont bother to make the distinction anymore.

As for Evil Dead, it's also not a pure zombie movie but the deadites are very zombie-esque, especially in the third movie.

Yeah, "Crazies" is also not about zombies, but all these movies IMO are more part of the modern zombie movie genre than not (at least 28 days later - Evil Dead is more of a ghost/haunted-house genre movie). The monsters may not technically be zombies, but the movies are zombie movies IMO. "White Zombie" and some of the earlier movies are also not really part of the modern sub-genre.

"Serpent and the Rainbow, for example, is also about zombies, but doesn't really fit in the modern genre either.


So Romero's movies are right wing?Wasn't it supposed to be because of a satellite burning up in the atmosphere, spreading space-Mcguffins all through the north-east in "Night of the Living Dead"? There's some religious language by some of the characters in the other Romero movies, but I never thought that was what Romero's explanation was. Frankly I don't think he cares what caused it, he's more interested in how people deal with it and so on. In some ways he seems to use zombies as poetic-justice for society: like get along or else look what happens, find a better way with dealing with things otherwise nature is going to get fed up and these social divisions will lead humans to kill off any remaining survivors.

Personally, I like zombie movies better when they don't try an explain it - unless it's organically part of the plot like in Return of the Living Dead. I like zombies as metaphor for natural disaster, plague, social chaos, etc.

Rooster
5th September 2011, 08:41
Romero's movies is the one where the black guy becomes the leader and get shot because they think he is a Zombie right?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you miss the social commentary on that film or the social context of having a black lead at that time? Did you miss the social commentary in all of Romero's films?

Invader Zim
5th September 2011, 09:30
Haven't you seen Evil Dead 2? That's exactly what happened!

Have you even seen the Evil Dead? They don't even look like zombies. As I said, they are possessed individuals, not zombies.

As I said, if you are going to call the Evil Dead a zombie movie then you can make the same erronious and heretical observation of the Exorcist.

Just to clear this up for everybody, two people called Ed:

Zombie Ed:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj934x1S3i1qfumd9o1_500.jpg

Possessed Ed from The Evil Dead 2:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/SweetHenrietta/Blogger/eviled-2.jpg

Care to game of spot the difference? What next are you going to contend that the rapist tree is also a zombie?


And to explain the difference between zombies and the victims of a rage virus, we have horror expert, Mark Kermode:

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Renno
5th September 2011, 11:57
Black Sheep!Watch how sheep turn ugly

Kornilios Sunshine
5th September 2011, 11:58
Watch Zombieland.Pretty funny in my opinion.;)

Pirate Utopian
5th September 2011, 14:56
Black Sheep is more like werewolves not really zombies. Plus it's kind of a Shaun ripoff.

RED DAVE
5th September 2011, 15:43
Evil Zombie from 28 Days.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gZxvCHbYjPo/S6e9ztyHiKI/AAAAAAAAEx0/ju2pFe4dAik/s400/28days_bullock.jpg

Ooops, wrong 28 Days.

RED DAVE

RED DAVE
5th September 2011, 15:46
Back when Zombies were Zombies: None of this shit about chocolate guts.


http://static.omdb.si/posters/active/157135.jpg

RED DAVE

EvilRedGuy
5th September 2011, 18:31
I like the Evil Dead series. :D

Invader Zim
6th September 2011, 17:15
I like the Evil Dead series. :D

Which have nothing to do with zombies.

W1N5T0N
6th September 2011, 17:28
Carriers. :d

Chairman Wow
6th September 2011, 18:01
It's a shame Romero's latest movies have been total garbage because the original 'Dead' films were all decent.

Rooster
6th September 2011, 20:23
It's a shame Romero's latest movies have been total garbage because the original 'Dead' films were all decent.

I quite liked them, to be honest, especially Survival. It's true that they're not as good as the original trilogy but in comparison to the vast majority of zombie movies, then they're pretty good.

Chairman Wow
6th September 2011, 20:45
Diary was atrocious, in my opinion.

Os Cangaceiros
6th September 2011, 21:17
Have you even seen the Evil Dead? They don't even look like zombies. As I said, they are possessed individuals, not zombies.



I've seen all three films broham. In number 2 a hand gets chopped off and just keeps a'commin. That's zombie action by your own definition!

Os Cangaceiros
6th September 2011, 21:41
Actually nevermind. I just went on wiki to refresh my memory of what happened in that scene, and I've come to the conclusion that you're more correct than I am on this one.

Invader Zim
7th September 2011, 11:49
I've seen all three films broham. In number 2 a hand gets chopped off and just keeps a'commin. That's zombie action by your own definition!

I see in your next post you've accepted, after a little memory refreshing, that I have a point. But just to address this anyway. I didn't say that the only zombie characteristic is that they are relentless, but the individual body parts aren't. The way to kill a zombie is by removing the head or destroying the brain. Therefore limbs must be connected to the body which has a working brain. Because the brain is key. But they are stilll dead and still relentless. The hand in Evil Dead 2 doesn't need to be connected to anything because it has been possessed. But it isn't a zombie hand.

Pirate Utopian
7th September 2011, 14:24
What about Return of the Living Dead or Braindead? They were definitely zombies but their bodyparts still kept coming, attached to the brain or not.

Yes, the deadites from Evil Dead arent zombies but so many people consider them zombies that I just go along with it so I dont sound like some zombie purist. Plus any chance to recommend the Evil Dead movies I'll take. Cause they're awesome.

Invader Zim
7th September 2011, 23:59
What about Return of the Living Dead or Braindead? They were definitely zombies but their bodyparts still kept coming, attached to the brain or not.

They deviate from the cannon, but the Evil Dead Trilogy doesn't even attempt to be a part of the cannon, because the films have nothing to do with zombies and make no claim to do so. They are possession movies, pure and simple.

piet11111
13th October 2011, 19:04
I am now watching the dead (2010) and its quite interesting even though i am 16 minutes in but the african setting really sets it apart from the usual romero zombie movies.

Also finally AKM's against zombies a dream come true :tt1:

The Jay
13th October 2011, 19:08
I am now watching the dead (2010) and its quite interesting even though i am 16 minutes in but the african setting really sets it apart from the usual romero zombie movies.

Also finally AKM's against zombies a dream come true :tt1:

You should check out the Horde. It's french with english subs but honestly it's in my top three zombie movies.

Die Rote Fahne
13th October 2011, 19:15
You should check out the Horde. It's french with english subs but honestly it's in my top three zombie movies.

La Horde. I was looking for q torrent for that last night...Could not find it.

Rooster
13th October 2011, 19:18
La Horde. I was looking for q torrent for that last night...Could not find it.

I have streaming if you're looking for it:

http://www.1channel.ch/watch-349730-La-horde

The Jay
13th October 2011, 19:24
Let me know what you think of it.

piet11111
13th October 2011, 19:35
La Horde. I was looking for q torrent for that last night...Could not find it.

i have send a PM

I am looking forward to seeing this movie too.

coda
13th October 2011, 20:10
chant: Bela Bela Bela..

in my teen years (and beyond) I was a B-movie horror junkie...

from watching too much late night tv.. (in the time when abruptly at 4 am. tv would dissolve into a black humming dot. later it was upgraded to rainbow bar codes. Yay for 24 hour cable tv for the insomniacs..)

Bela, Lon Chaney jr (and Sr.--- jr's father), Vincent Price and Boris Karloff were the B-movie horror Gods..

surprised no one has yet mentioned the classic low budget zombie movie "Carnival of Souls".

Pirate Utopian
13th October 2011, 20:37
Carnival of Souls is more ghosts than zombies.

coda
13th October 2011, 21:17
nope.. Carnival of Souls definitely falls into the early-zombie genre.

x359594
14th October 2011, 15:56
chant: Bela Bela Bela...

Since you've invoked the great Bela Lugosi (a communist who supported the Hungarian Revolution of 1919 by the way) it's worth noting that he starred in the first zombie movie White Zombie (1932.) The zombies in this Depression era movie function as slave labor for Bela's sugar plantation in Jamaica, and in the same director's later zombie movie Revolt of the Zombies (1936) the zombies turn on their scientist overlord (played by John Carradine) when he tries to apply new methods to force them to work harder, a metaphor for increasing labor productivity as a counter to the falling rate of profit. The movie is certainly open to that kind of reading.

W1N5T0N
14th October 2011, 17:06
DEADHEADS 2011

EXIT HUMANITY 2011

fuck yea.

x359594
14th October 2011, 19:52
...Carnival of Souls definitely falls into the early-zombie genre.

My recollection of the movie is that the young woman protagonist is "caught between two worlds," that of the living and the dead. The dead don't behave like classic zombies or post-Romero zombies (there's no cannibalism for example; they seem to be inhabitants of another world or dimension and not revived corpses cohabiting the real world with the living.)

Carnival of Souls seems more like a horror version of A Matter of Life and Death (aka Stairway to Heaven, 1946) where the protagonist is suspended between life and death, though in this case he gets another chance at life.

(I should add that I'm talking about the 1962 film, not the remake which I haven't seen; it may very well qualify as a zombie movie assuming the story has been re-booted with that in mind.)

EvilRedGuy
15th October 2011, 13:12
Who gives a shit whats zombie or not zombie movie. Life isn't black and white, idiots.

Therefore: Evil dead, whatever, has elements or influence of zombie movies.

x359594
15th October 2011, 20:17
Who gives a shit whats zombie or not zombie movie[?]...

Apparently a lot of people posting in this thread.

Comrade_Stalin
15th October 2011, 20:34
I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you miss the social commentary on that film or the social context of having a black lead at that time? Did you miss the social commentary in all of Romero's films?

Sorry, I was thinking of Night of the Living Dead, which form what I understand was Romero's first Zombie movie. And yes I found that to be very right wing.

Also people note that on Oct 16 on AMC The walking dead is on at 9 pm.

EvilRedGuy
16th October 2011, 16:48
Apparently a lot of people posting in this thread.


Shoot them.

Fucking zombie-lovers.

RED DAVE
16th October 2011, 20:34
a part of the cannonWould that be the barrel, the gun carriage, the trigger mechanism? :D

It's spelled "canon," Comrade.

RED DAVE

coda
17th October 2011, 03:15
<<My recollection of the movie is that the young woman protagonist is "caught between two worlds," that of the living and the dead. The dead don't behave like classic zombies or post-Romero zombies (there's no cannibalism for example; they seem to be inhabitants of another world or dimension and not revived corpses cohabiting the real world with the living.)>>

Hey, x3.. yes, it can also certainly be interpreted like that. I was mainly thinking of the zombie-esque danse macabre element of the story. Being that it was pre-Romero (who I read was actually inspired by some scenes in "Carnival" when filming 'NotLD'... the zombies probably wouldn't have yet been carnivorous. Now, post-Romero, modern horror demands that they are nothing less! It's all fun though! :D

piet11111
22nd October 2011, 20:34
Finally got around to watching la horde i am 23 minutes in and the zombies seem superhuman but its nice and gory so i will definitely be finishing this movie.

Also completely surprised to see Red Dave in this thread you happen to like zombie movies Dave ?

La horde was an OK film but the superhuman zombies is a let down gore makes up for it quite a bit but still i would give it a 7/10.
The old guy was fun even though he is a massive asshole.