Just got a Mosin

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Very awesome communist weapon, came with a bayonet and strap!

Sorry if it's too off topic. I've never posted here before.

[khad]

The years aren't all that kind to old weapons. If you're not satisfied with how well it shoots, you should look into this simple mod.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu63.htm

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Have you fired it yet? I'm in the process of saving up for one as the gun store in my area has one for a relatively cheap price. I've been told not to buy Russian ammo for it as it degrades the barrel and such due to some hoity toity gunnut reason I forget. All the same, awesome comrade.

[khad]

Have you fired it yet? I'm in the process of saving up for one as the gun store in my area has one for a relatively cheap price. I've been told not to buy Russian ammo for it as it degrades the barrel and such due to some hoity toity gunnut reason I forget. All the same, awesome comrade.
Unless you really have money to burn, buying milsurp is what you're going to have to do. It's corrosive, as most old military ammo is. You just have to clean, but if you're investing in a vintage firearm like a Mosin, you'd clean it anyway.

[Susurrus]

If you like buying things in bulk, here's a 440 round spam can. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM653-5.html

[The Douche]

have had like 4 of them.

[Rafiq]

I heard you can get them for 200$

[The Douche]

I heard you can get them for 200$

If you want to be ripped off...

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=90&name=Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifle s

Fuckin $80...

I got my first one at a gun show for like $69 a while ago.

[Magón]

Don't expect to hit much or anything with it the first time or so time you take it shooting. Most people expect to just load, aim, and boom you hit the target like more modern rifles. But with the Mosin, you need some time to adjust and get used to it before changing anything about it.

[The Man]

I got my Mosin Nagant 91/30 with Bayonet and sling, and the original cleaning pouch for about $85. I just hate having to run hot soap and water through it after every time I shoot it. Great and fun gun though. I much rather prefer my Lee-Enfield or Mauser. My WW2 guns are my favorites, but I love my AR15s as well (Still haven't sold that shitty ass Romanian AK47 yet)

Have fun, and be safe! :)

[The Douche]

I got my Mosin Nagant 91/30 with Bayonet and sling, and the original cleaning pouch for about $85. I just hate having to run hot soap and water through it after every time I shoot it. Great and fun gun though. I much rather prefer my Lee-Enfield or Mauser. My WW2 guns are my favorites, but I love my AR15s as well (Still haven't sold that shitty ass Romanian AK47 yet)

Have fun, and be safe! :)

Do you not clean all your guns after shooting them?

If anything the mosin is extremely easy to clean.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i hope these spam cans are CA shippable.

[The Man]

Do you not clean all your guns after shooting them?

If anything the mosin is extremely easy to clean.

I've never cleaned my AK, but I barely shoot my AR15 (When I do, I clean it).

[The Douche]

I've never cleaned my AK, but I barely shoot my AR15 (When I do, I clean it).

Thats foolish.

I clean all my guns every week, whether I shoot them or not. And I always clean them as soon as I get home from the range.

[Blackscare]

Thats foolish.

I clean all my guns every week, whether I shoot them or not. And I always clean them as soon as I get home from the range.
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae24/theicemanmpls/unibrow.jpg


Take yer guns seriously, I see. :P

[Rusty Shackleford]

oooh look at the fishy!

[The Douche]

Of course I take my guns seriously...I spent a lot of money on them, and they're dangerous when not used properly (which includes cleaning)...

[The Man]

I laugh whenever I see that picture. What/Who is it of?

[The Douche]

Its me...duh?

[Magón]

i hope these spam cans are CA shippable.

They are, you just have to go through a middle man, just like you have to when buying a gun from someone out of state. (But I think buying any gun outside your home state, is a nation wide rule.)

[Susurrus]

I just had my spam can shipped straight to me, so unless CA has some sort of special law I don't think so.

[Magón]

I just had my spam can shipped straight to me, so unless CA has some sort of special law I don't think so.

It's a matter of who/where you're getting the can, that California gun laws care. If it's from outside the country, they care, if it's inside, they don't.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Have you fired it yet? I'm in the process of saving up for one as the gun store in my area has one for a relatively cheap price. I've been told not to buy Russian ammo for it as it degrades the barrel and such due to some hoity toity gunnut reason I forget. All the same, awesome comrade.

No, I haven't bought bullets for it yet, but thanks for warning me about Russian ammo. I'll keep that in mind when I do go shopping for them. :D

[Rusty Shackleford]

No, I haven't bought bullets for it yet, but thanks for warning me about Russian ammo. I'll keep that in mind when I do go shopping for them. :D
just clean more after using it.

[Obs]

I've never cleaned my AK, but I barely shoot my AR15 (When I do, I clean it).

Aren't you like 15

[khad]

The straight dope on corrosive primers (with cleaning instructions)

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu13.htm


Some of you younger shooters may have never even heard of "corrosive ammo". Ammo made before around mid-1950 used primers with mercuric salts in the priming compound in the primers. Upon firing this ammo, these corrosive salts were deposited all inside the barrel of the weapon.

If these salts were not removed, they would attract moisture and corrode (rust) the inside of the barrel. Swabbing the barrel with oil would not stop this process. They would rust under the oil.

The only solution is to remove the salts. This is easily done by using a water-based solvent, or just water. The barrel must then be dried and then oiled to prevent rust.

Some may ask, "Then why would you want to shoot that nasty stuff?" The answer is that it is now very cheap ammo and, other than the corrosive problem, the ammo shoots just fine.

For example, nowadays, you can purchase 8mm Mauser ammo very cheaply.

[The Man]

Aren't you like 15

Yes i am.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Yes i am.

And so am I.

[Obs]

Oh, I see "guns = toys" is still a valid opinion. Sweet.

[Rafiq]

And so am I.


I just turned 17 while ago

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Oh, I see "guns = toys" is still a valid opinion. Sweet.

Well, it's not my opinion.

[Rusty Shackleford]

so we got a really good condition Mosin in at work today and i got to show it off to some guy that drove an hour and a half to get it form us. Made in 1940 and it had all matching serial numbers. Even had the Star and Arrow stamp on the breech.

http://www.empirearms.com/LE3626.jpg

1940 not 1939 though.


i was really hoping it was one of the Hex ones and not rounded. that would be cool to see.
http://joptesniper.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dsc00068.jpg?w=360&h=270


even then though. it was pretty damn nice :D

[The Man]

Oh, I see "guns = toys" is still a valid opinion. Sweet.

Well, you obviously no nothing about laws, or even guns for that matter. I mean, my name isn't on the fucking paper (I'm not legal owner) but I mean my Mosin is hung up on my mantle in my room, and the rest of the guns are locked up in a safe in my closet.

[Magón]

so we got a really good condition Mosin in at work today and i got to show it off to some guy that drove an hour and a half to get it form us. Made in 1940 and it had all matching serial numbers. Even had the Star and Arrow stamp on the breech.

http://www.empirearms.com/LE3626.jpg

1940 not 1939 though.


i was really hoping it was one of the Hex ones and not rounded. that would be cool to see.
http://joptesniper.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dsc00068.jpg?w=360&h=270


even then though. it was pretty damn nice :D

The Star with the Arrow in the center is just the mark of the Tula Arsenal, post-Hammer, which was their original mark. Most Mosin-Nagant's made in Tula, or ones that have Tula markings (which most have a combination of Tula and Izhevsk parts/markings) that you'll find, will have the Star with the Arrow in the middle.

And you won't ever find a 91/30 Mosin with a hex receiver, because one of the details of a 91/30, is that besides the addition of the globe site (anything pre-91/30 has blades), is that they have a round receiver, instead of the hex.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The Star with the Arrow in the center is just the mark of the Tula Arsenal, post-Hammer, which was their original mark. Most Mosin-Nagant's made in Tula, or ones that have Tula markings (which most have a combination of Tula and Izhevsk parts/markings) that you'll find, will have the Star with the Arrow in the middle.

And you won't ever find a 91/30 Mosin with a hex receiver, because one of the details of a 91/30, is that besides the addition of the globe site (anything pre-91/30 has blades), is that they have a round receiver, instead of the hex.
The ones from the Tula arsenal are better quality than some arent they?

As for the hex, i guess ill never see one because all we sell is 91/30s. too bad.


still learning :lol:

[The Douche]

The Star with the Arrow in the center is just the mark of the Tula Arsenal, post-Hammer, which was their original mark. Most Mosin-Nagant's made in Tula, or ones that have Tula markings (which most have a combination of Tula and Izhevsk parts/markings) that you'll find, will have the Star with the Arrow in the middle.

And you won't ever find a 91/30 Mosin with a hex receiver, because one of the details of a 91/30, is that besides the addition of the globe site (anything pre-91/30 has blades), is that they have a round receiver, instead of the hex.

Dude, there are definitely hex receiver 91/30s.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/mosin-nagant-91-30-hex-receiver-rifle,-7-62x54r-caliber-/products_id/1524

There's some for sale.

[Magón]

The ones from the Tula arsenal are better quality than some arent they?

As for the hex, i guess ill never see one because all we sell is 91/30s. too bad.


still learning :lol:

Before 1940, Tula was actually the stronger/larger producer of Mosin-Nagants, than Izhevsk, so yes they were of better quality, but when Russia got invaded, Tula had to slow it's production since it was basically on the front line. I wouldn't let that deter you from a Izhevsk (you'll find more of them) made Mosin, because at a time like this, it's not really a big deal if you get one or the other unless you plan on become some sort of Mosin-Nagant collector or whatever. Nowadays the wear in the barrel, the way the stock fits against the metal, how much the stock was sanded down, etc. is more important to whether it's Tula or Izhevsk.


Dude, there are definitely hex receiver 91/30s.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/mosin-nagant-91-30-hex-receiver-rifle,-7-62x54r-caliber-/products_id/1524

There's some for sale.

They're very rare, but weren't meant for the 91/30 design, the hex on 91/30s was more or less just a stopgap for the round receiver on them. Like I said, one of the details to the new 91/30s design, was that it now had a round receiver, instead of a hex receiver, but both Tula and Izhvesk arsenals weren't refitted with the round receiver machinery right away in 1930 or even '31 or '32. So finding a 91/30 with a hex, is a long shot since they actually didn't produce many 91/30s in the early 1930s anyway.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Probably the most difficult thing about getting a mosin is finding one that isnt all worn out.

ive fired 4 different mosins and they ALL shot and felt different. 3 of them were 91/30s and another was a '44 Carbine(fun fun fun!).

one of them, you just squeeze the trigger a little bit and the bolt rocks in the reciever. its still locked in there but it just rocks up and down. shot just fine though. the others just had different feel all together.

[Sam_b]

That 'very awesome Communist weapon' that was invented in Belgium and brought into use during Tsarism?

[Rusty Shackleford]

That 'very awesome Communist weapon' that was invented in Belgium and brought into use during Tsarism?
yeah, nagant was belgian.


plus, the first batches of nagants were actually made in france.

[The Douche]

They're very rare, but weren't meant for the 91/30 design, the hex on 91/30s was more or less just a stopgap for the round receiver on them. Like I said, one of the details to the new 91/30s design, was that it now had a round receiver, instead of a hex receiver, but both Tula and Izhvesk arsenals weren't refitted with the round receiver machinery right away in 1930 or even '31 or '32. So finding a 91/30 with a hex, is a long shot since they actually didn't produce many 91/30s in the early 1930s anyway.

They're not very rare. They're just less common, they still sell for around $100, no rare gun costs a hundred bucks. Very rare would be, like, say, a Spanish civil war Mosin...

[Magón]

They're not very rare. They're just less common, they still sell for around $100, no rare gun costs a hundred bucks. Very rare would be, like, say, a Spanish civil war Mosin...

They are rare here in the US, and they are rare all around, because they hardly made very many 91/30s through the early 30s, with the hex receivers, and also many of those that did, were later refitted with round receivers. Most places who sell 91/30s with a hex, probably don't even know much about them (the gun in general, but specifically the hex), except that they're a Russian rifle and were used in WW2, so the pricing of them is obviously not what they'd be really worth.

An example, is the my own 91/30, that I bought for $89 at a gun store, none of which the rifles was banged up or even sanded down like many of them you'll find. It of course has some scratches and dings, but if I were to have bought it from a private dealer/seller, who knew about Mosin's, he/she probably would have charged me through the nose for it, not the low low price of $89.

[Johnny Kerosene]

I've never cleaned my AK, but I barely shoot my AR15 (When I do, I clean it).


I got my Mosin Nagant 91/30 with Bayonet and sling, and the original cleaning pouch for about $85. I just hate having to run hot soap and water through it after every time I shoot it. Great and fun gun though. I much rather prefer my Lee-Enfield or Mauser. My WW2 guns are my favorites, but I love my AR15s as well (Still haven't sold that shitty ass Romanian AK47 yet)

Have fun, and be safe! :)

Aren't you like 15 or something?

EDIT: Just saw that Obs asked the exact same question a page before. The EXACT, same, question.

[Rusty Shackleford]

why y'all harpin' on The Man for being 15?

[The Man]

Out of all the "AREN't YOU LIEK FIFTAN" stuff I guess Ill post pics of my Mosin..

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/128.jpg
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/129.jpg
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/130.jpg

Oh, and here is my shitty-ass AK (Trust me, It's look 10000x better now :laugh:)

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/134.jpg

And then my two babies:

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/DSC_0017.jpg


Remember, be safe, and obey the fucking gun laws.

[Salyut]

God you Americans are lucky. I've seen Lee-Enfield's around the Mosin price-range up here at gunshows...but actual Mosin's are at least $200.

I've got a Izhevsk 1954 SKS. I'm really tempted to get a Ljungman or a FN-49...

[Rusty Shackleford]

god damn you The Man.


you arent required to have bullet buttons :(
also, wtf happened to your mosin? did you sand the stock down or something?

[The Man]

god damn you The Man.


you arent required to have bullet buttons :(
also, wtf happened to your mosin? did you sand the stock down or something?

Well, since it was it is dated 1932 from Tula (Oh, and here is the best part: It's a fucking hexed reciever!), it has seen a lot of use, and actually, the entire upper stock was broken in half. So I just bought a new one. I remember one guy told me that it was so shiny, it was hard to look at. :laugh:

[The Man]

God you Americans are lucky. I've seen Lee-Enfield's around the Mosin price-range up here at gunshows...but actual Mosin's are at least $200.

I've got a Izhevsk 1954 SKS. I'm really tempted to get a Ljungman or a FN-49...

I have an old Chinese SKS that is up in my attic somewhere.. It is complete with folding spike bayonet, and the cleaning kit. It's a neat little rifle. It was my dad's gun before my parents got divorced. I also got a Lee-Enfield with original wood and receiver just this summer as a present. I think that having the original wood is the best (Unless it's cases like my Mosin), because every dent and scratch really tells a story if you think about it... I mean that missing chip of wood on the stock could be due to a soldier falling or tripping in combat or something.. I have noticed that almost all of these bolt action WWII guns feel and shoot the same (Mauser, Mosin, Lee-Enfield), even their recoil is similar.

For those "Oh your 15" types of people, of course it's not in my legal name. But they are in my closet, as I am the only one who uses them. Stay safe, obey the fucking gun laws.

[Rss]

Oh lord how I despise AR-15-style rifles, they look like toys for mall ninjas.

It would be very nice to have a go at shooting again. It has been for a while since last time. Couple of months, if I recall correctly. But rifles and machine guns just can't compared to a real gun...

[piet11111]

You guys are so F-ing lucky with your lax gunlaws :sneaky:

[The Douche]

God you Americans are lucky. I've seen Lee-Enfield's around the Mosin price-range up here at gunshows...but actual Mosin's are at least $200.

I've got a Izhevsk 1954 SKS. I'm really tempted to get a Ljungman or a FN-49...

FN-49s are fun, they kick like a fucking mule though. I took my boss's Egyptian one out last month.

[Magón]

So I just bought a new one. I remember one guy told me that it was so shiny, it was hard to look at. :laugh:

Yeah, it is hard to look at, but not because it's just shiny. :lol:

[The Man]

Yeah, it is hard to look at, but not because it's just shiny. :lol:

You made me lol IRL :)

[Nox]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/134.jpg


Communist + Gun = Dangerous

[Susurrus]

Actually, they are really cheap. Picked up a 91/30 for $99 at a gunshow this last weekend.

[#FF0000]

what i wanna know is where the fuck is 8mm mauser ammo cheap!?

[Rusty Shackleford]

what i wanna know is where the fuck is 8mm mauser ammo cheap!?
no where?

[The Man]

what i wanna know is where the fuck is 8mm mauser ammo cheap!?

It's expensive where I live.

[The Man]

Communist + Gun = Dangerous

Nah, I don't want to hurt anyone :).

[Nox]

Oh, I see "guns = toys" is still a valid opinion. Sweet.

Why don't you run along and play with your toys instead of trolling this thread?

[#FF0000]

man i had guns when i was fifteen. i don't know what y'all are talking about

[Rss]

Why don't you run along and play with your toys instead of trolling this thread?

Relax, those european commies are just mad about guns because they hate freedom.

[Rusty Shackleford]

relax, those european commies are just mad about guns because they hate freedom.
lol

[The Douche]

I got my first gun when I was 10, just sayin...

[ellipsis]

Do you not clean all your guns after shooting them?

No. Not my AK. Not my revolver. Neither of which requires religious/immediate cleaning for continual function. Most of my guns stay in my closet, where they are clean and only get an occasional wipe down with oil/CLP.


I clean all my guns every week, whether I shoot them or not. And I always clean them as soon as I get home from the range.

So what are you cleaning if you haven't shot them?

Military dudes are religious about their cleaning though, more so that civilian shooters.


just clean more after using it.

See Khad's comment. My comrade always brings windex to the range, to spray down the bore after shooting corrosive ammo, just to keep it till he gets home and pours hot soapy water through it.


so we got a really good condition Mosin in at work today
Weren't they asking like 219 for them at one point?


Probably the most difficult thing about getting a mosin is finding one that isnt all worn out.

Mosin are notorious for this, russian solidiers weren't trained or disciplined so they didn't clean their guns.

Still its not hard, at least on the east coast to find something like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KVzXmfMQ34Y/SwhEPRKyaSI/AAAAAAAAACE/GnSzLwRPaHg/s400/MOSIN-NAGANT+003.jpg

for 70 bucks. My comrade got 4/5 shots on a silhouette at 200 yards off hand with his, pictured above.

[ellipsis]

For those "Oh your 15" types of people, of course it's not in my legal name. But they are in my closet, as I am the only one who uses them. Stay safe, obey the fucking gun laws.

If you obtained a gun under a non-legal identity this is illegal. If you are talking about private transfers, this is legal, depending on state, to do person to person, without an FFL.

So your statement confuses me. Obey gun laws by circumventing them?

[Nox]

If you obtained a gun under a non-legal identity this is illegal. If you are talking about private transfers, this is legal, depending on state, to do person to person, without an FFL.

So your statement confuses me. Obey gun laws by circumventing them?

I think what he means is that officially the gun belongs to one of his parents, but he uses it and they let him store the gun in his room.

[The Man]

If you obtained a gun under a non-legal identity this is illegal. If you are talking about private transfers, this is legal, depending on state, to do person to person, without an FFL.

So your statement confuses me. Obey gun laws by circumventing them?

Basically what the above post says. They are in my parent's name but I am the only whoever sees, holds, and shoots them. They were bought for my use. We don't have an FFL, and you don't need one in the state PA.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Nah, they ask over $200 for Mausers and Enfields (which they dont carry anymore)


I did find a chilean Mauser that fired 7.62x54r for $150 at some backwoods gun shop. only problem was the front part of the stock was chopped off the gun so the barrel is basically naked after about 6 -10 inches from the magazine. probably pretty inaccurate.

[ellipsis]

Basically what the above post says. They are in my parent's name but I am the only whoever sees, holds, and shoots them. They were bought for my use. We don't have an FFL, and you don't need one in the state PA.

Cool, just wanted to be clear for liability reasons.

[The Douche]

So what are you cleaning if you haven't shot them?

Dust, surface rust, and carbon. You know, its not like you can get all the carbon out in one cleaning.