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Spets
25th August 2011, 22:44
I completely understand going to another country to better yourself and family, but why should I support the ones who immigrant to countries illegally? Doesn't necessarily have the be the United States that they immigrated too.

Hit The North
25th August 2011, 22:50
Why should you support bourgeois-nationalist immigration controls?

Kamos
25th August 2011, 22:52
Not sure if serious... Hey, there is one fucking clear reason why you should. Because it is morally wrong to restrict people from travelling to wherever they want, and it's certainly not capitalist law that's going to tell me or you otherwise.

L.A.P.
25th August 2011, 22:57
I love how people act like illegal immigration is the "easy way out". Right, risking your life trying to cross a border is much easier than going through some bureaucratic bullshit. :rolleyes:

There is a Mexican man I know who labors tirelessly making the best pizzas in my area and he is an illegal immigrant. This is because he retaliated against a mobster's son who was being a dick and would've been killed if he didn't flee Mexico. And had he done it the legal way, he would have been basically handed over to the Mexican mafia and killed if they wouldn't have already tracked him down.

I can deal with being cool with a conservative or someone who just doesn't agree with my political views but I find anti-(illegal)immigration people to be absolutely unacceptable and general pieces of shit.

Dzerzhinsky's Ghost
25th August 2011, 22:59
It's really quite simple, they are victims of capitalism, they are fellow workers, they are currently be exploited more so than regular workers in America and are being capped off by racists and bourgeois states a like. Not to mention the hell they have to endure to even make it to America. They have to pay the cartels and coyotes to help them get into America and generally speaking, all of the women fear to be raped and more times than not are. Not to mention the physical side of braving open desert terrain and so forth trying make it into America. It's just sucky all round.

But...

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Is a fat load of bullshit in my opinion, I have never applied at a job and found out it was taken by "illegal aliens." Further, I don't why it being 'illegal' because some bourgeois fucks (who exploit them anyways) say it is has anything to do with anything.

Comrade Gwydion
25th August 2011, 22:59
I've lived next to borders all my life. Let me tell you: I relate better to those people living 300 meters over the border than to those living 300 miles away in the country capital.

Better yet, I relate just as much to those who live threethousand miles away in some place near the equator. Why? Because they're just as much human as I am. Illegal Immigration? I have no clue what the hell that's supposed to mean even.

Per Levy
25th August 2011, 23:01
but why should I support the ones who immigrant to countries illegally?

well, they're workers, they're exploited and opressed and as communists we should support workers dont you think?

runequester
25th August 2011, 23:06
Right now, people are making a debacle over the 1000 people that died trying to cross the berlin wall over the course of its existence, and oh what a tragedy and what horror and what tyranny.

3-500 die every year trying to enter the united states.

Spets
25th August 2011, 23:09
I wasn't trying to sound as if I looked down upon illegal immigration just wanted some facts to strengthen my support of those who immigrant illegally.

Per Levy
25th August 2011, 23:28
Right now, people are making a debacle over the 1000 people that died trying to cross the berlin wall over the course of its existence, and oh what a tragedy and what horror and what tyranny.

3-500 die every year trying to enter the united states.

first of all, its more around 130 people who died at the berlin wall, and i like to mention all the african people who drown in the mediteran sea while trying to go to (fortress)europe, these people also die in the thousends each year.

Ocean Seal
25th August 2011, 23:29
I completely understand going to another country to better yourself and family, but why should I support the ones who immigrant to countries illegally? Doesn't necessarily have the be the United States that they immigrated too.
Ask yourself these questions.

Who made it illegal? Was it a worker controlled government?

Who profits from it being illegal? Is your answer the ruling class?

Who is most harmed by this? Is it the immigrant workers, typically Asians and Latinos?

If we worked in solidarity with immigrants who would benefit? The entire working class? Seems like a reasonable answer, if you can get people to work with the immigrants who go on strike the bosses won't have a supply of cheap labor and we've just stopped a scabbing tactic, a scapegoat, and made it more difficult for the bosses to exploit us. Immigration is a reality, and if we let the bosses do as they please, they're going to use it against the working class as a whole.

So what is the age old adage? Workers of the world unite.


And finally?
Why is it illegal? Who has the right to tell me that I don't belong on a piece of land because of where I was born? Why do I have the right to live on one piece of land and not another?

Magón
25th August 2011, 23:44
Because illegal immigration is a term used by those who support or follow the thinking that those millions of lines across a map, that carve up the land as one country or another, really matter when out in the real world. To someone who's an Internationalist, those lines should only be seen on a map, and in the real world are nothing.

Arlekino
26th August 2011, 00:03
I had experience myself to illegal emigration in one of Europe country, deportation felt like crap. I was young girl and I could not understand why don't they let me stay, lot of questions nasty questions even I had question "Are you prostitute", So I would not like to see anyone into my position. If people came in country that mean is problem. Poor people don't leave country just like as they wish that mean need to leave country. What about rich legal people they can move where they want.

runequester
26th August 2011, 00:27
first of all, its more around 130 people who died at the berlin wall, and i like to mention all the african people who drown in the mediteran sea while trying to go to (fortress)europe, these people also die in the thousends each year.

yeah, i didn't mean to denigrate their struggle, I just didn't have any numbers at hand for them. Thank you for bringing it up.