You ever notice how tedious it is arguing fascists?

[The Stalinator]

I get into these fights a lot for some reason and I often just have to ditch the argument because of this. So here's an example scenario, let's say I'm watching some video online about some event in the news, and these WN fucktards are griping about how black/asian/Middle Eastern/etc. people shouldn't be allowed to settle in our countries and practice their culture's customs here.

Me: "Why are we allowed to go into their countries and force them to live like us, and yet they can't do the same to us?"

fucktard: "white people are superior and they were backwards sheep herding jew loving hunter gatherers in the woods and you want to ruin our beautiful white pure culture of aryan unity"

Me: "But they had a well-functioning society before the colonists came, and now they're impoverished under the capitalist system we introduced."

fucktard: "it's not the 1840s you dumb commie race traitor why do you hate your race and your beautiful aryan culture, the jews are brainwashing you and you are making your culture extinct and you're a jew race traitor commie jew whore NEGROID LOVER"

So I'll be like "holy shit, this is like yelling at a brick wall" and stop replying. And then of course they'll message me up later and be like,

"I GUESS YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT HUH, YOU RACE TRAITOR COMMIE NEGROID LOVING JEW RACE TRAITOR ANTI-WHITE RACE MIXING ANTI-EUROPEAN DEATH TO OUR CULTURE WHITE GENOCIDE HOMOSEXUAL"

So how am I supposed to counter this? I feel a bit dumb when I throw down the towel. And if it's impossible, feel free to share your experiences with this sort of fascist, they're quite amusing.

[Weezer]

My advice is avoid them all together. They can't be reasoned with him, irrationality is a part of their ideology. Mussolini argued that humans are naturally irrational, just how other anti-communists argue that people are naturally greedy.

[Rafiq]

You do know he's just a troll and isn't serious... Right?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

It's easier to beat the shit out of a fascist than to have a rational conversation with them.

[ВАЛТЕР]

NO sense in even talking to them. Fascists are sick minded people who need to be locked away and isolated from the rest of society, and if possible depending on the case, rehabilitated.

[GPDP]

There is nothing tedious about telling a fascist to go "follow your leader."

[Flying Trotsky]

With all the advances made by the civil rights movement, the love-one-another culture created spawned by the hippies, the scientific disproving of racist theories, and the basic rules of logic, most modern Fascists are ignorant by choice. There comes a time when you cease to be responsible for the willful ignorance of others.

It's a short answer to a complex problem, but this (http://trotskyite.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/racisms-back-not-that-it-ever-went-away/)might outline things a bit better.

[Tim Finnegan]

I suggest that you turn it into a game. Read up a bunch of fascist theory, get know more about it than they do, then dance circles around them using their own logic. :D

[The Stalinator]

I suggest that you turn it into a game. Read up a bunch of fascist theory, get know more about it than they do, then dance circles around them using their own logic. :D

Brilliant thinking, comrade. My favourite method by far!

[RED DAVE]

Yeah, we used to get into rational arguments with the fascists in New York in the early 60s. Some of them still have the scars.

Seriously, I don't favor debating them unless they're young. If there are other people around, you can perform an educational purpose by making them look like the dangerous schmucks that they are.

RED DAVE

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Pretty much what he ^^^^ said. I got tired of trying to debate with fuckers very quickly. Now there is only one way of debating left ;)

[The Stalinator]

Another thing is that a lot of them don't even know much of fascism other than the "my race is the best and we should be kept pure, all types of human follow a strict archetype and the genetically inferior should be exterminated, weakness in society is absolutely intolerable and we should treat people like shit if they're different" nonsense.

So it's hard to argue with them using "their own logic" because for a lot of the ones I've seen that's pretty much a summary of their entire belief system -- sounds like a pretty biased generalization but most of them will just continue to assert the most basic shit, I swear to fucking god.

I'd just ignore them, but honestly sometimes it's just too fucking odious to resist yelling at them.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

The OP's description of the typical conversation was all of my experiences as well, and yes, it gets very tiring, very quickly.It was on youtube and the topic of interest was a video about anti-gay language....naturally the comments section was filled with bigotry of the worst kind.One dude's profile was decked out in Nazi crap.lol....eventualy I just blocked the fucktard,only so much stupidity I can take.Felt kinda bad for giving up, but there was nothing to be gained so why bother?

[eric922]

To be honest that describes my arguments with a lot of tea-party types.

[Game Girl]

They tend to all say the same thing. Heres one sentence I always hear;

"Anti-Racist is a code for Anti-White."

They say that all the time at the end of their sentences. and they call US the brainwashed ones!

[Nehru]

Scratch a white liberal, and you'll see a racist. I believe that's even more frustrating?

[Nox]

Their whole argument is based on a trap - either you're one of them, or you're a 'race traitor' and therefore subhuman to them. :rolleyes:

[The Stalinator]

They tend to all say the same thing. Heres one sentence I always hear;

"Anti-Racist is a code for Anti-White."

They say that all the time at the end of their sentences. and they call US the brainwashed ones!

You ever notice how they try to justify the destroying of thousands of cultures in the Americas/Africa/etc. by saying "well they all lived in mud huts and they wore loincloths -- never mind the fact that they had a functioning society -- and now that we came and converted them all and destroyed their languages they're much better off starving under capitalism!! lol they should be thanking us"

...but when people come into their countries and allegedly try to destroy their culture, it's WHITE FUCKING GENOCIDE?

Hypocrisy at its finest. Yet they still all circle-jerk over this idea that they're out for "cultural preservation". Cultural preservation my ass.

[electro_fan]

just don't. the ones on scumfront etc are gone, and talking to them is a total waste of time and could potentially damage your health, certainly mentally but perhaps physically too. if they are ever to work out that fascism is wrong it won't be because of you. it takes a major crisis to change someone who holds their beliefs so deeply that they post regularly on scumfront or are the member of a fascist party, if they are active in the party, to the extent of doing campaigning for it and so on. in the same way that we are not going to be convinced by their ideas because we have confidence in our beliefs.

it's not a waste of time trying to talk to their younger members as a lot of them can be turned around. a lot of people have racist ideas and some fascist sympathies when they're young, but they work out quite quickly that it's bullshit, or else that the people they come into contact with are so disgusting that even if they still agree with fascist ideology, they will be put off these parties for life, and from then it's a pretty short slope to questioning all aspects of it. i think it's in fact essential to talk to people who are at risk of becoming involved in fascism, or at the early stages of their involvement.

i dont think most people on scumfront etc fit into this category.

[Game Girl]

You ever notice how they try to justify the destroying of thousands of cultures in the Americas/Africa/etc. by saying "well they all lived in mud huts and they wore loincloths -- never mind the fact that they had a functioning society -- and now that we came and converted them all and destroyed their languages they're much better off starving under capitalism!! lol they should be thanking us"

...but when people come into their countries and allegedly try to destroy their culture, it's WHITE FUCKING GENOCIDE?

Hypocrisy at its finest. Yet they still all circle-jerk over this idea that they're out for "cultural preservation". Cultural preservation my ass.

Oh, didn't you hear? Apparently Native Americans WEREN'T the first on that land! It was the white folk! TRUE STORY, EVEN THOUGH THEY COULDEN'T BACK IT UP! LULZ!!!111

In all seriousness, thats another thing I've noticed. They rely heavily on scientific facts...when it relates positively on their cause..But if theres scientific evidence thats against their cause, then IT'S JEW LIES!!!!1111

*bangs head against table again*

[danyboy27]

debating with someone is always worth something.
even if the initial result is a failure, who know, this encounter might have an effect his future decisions.

Even closed minded people can eventually open up.

[CommieTroll]

Has anyone here ever argued with a fascist in person? I know a girl that thinks Hitler was a great leader and that he was cool but she never gives me a reason for her beliefs, her excuse is ''I don't rant like you''. She puts forward the most pathetic arguments against Communism even when she doesn't even know who Marx is. She attacks Stalin (without me even mentioning him) saying ''His wife killed herself'' which is beside the point. I think she's just one of those emos that try to be a fascist and have a Nazi fetish just to get attention. Arguing with those rats is pointless

[ColonelCossack]

Has anyone here ever argued with a fascist in person? I know a girl that thinks Hitler was a great leader and that he was cool but she never gives me a reason for her beliefs, her excuse is ''I don't rant like you''. She puts forward the most pathetic arguments against Communism even when she doesn't even know who Marx is. She attacks Stalin (without me even mentioning him) saying ''His wife killed herself'' which is beside the point. I think she's just one of those emos that try to be a fascist and have a Nazi fetish just to get attention. Arguing with those rats is pointless

I know an anarcho-cap like that... they just call themselves an "anarchist"... they don't even have a clue what anarchism is! Just because their favorite bands sing about it...

[CommieTroll]

I know an anarcho-cap like that... they just call themselves an "anarchist"... they don't even have a clue what anarchism is! Just because their favorite bands sing about it...

Anarchists because The Sex Pistols & Ramones told them to be :L
I actually know a supposed Anarchist who hates any form of welfare but ''hates the ruling class'' and is opposed to Socialism yet his parents are the best examples of petty bourgeois in my town :L Spoiled with summer trips to Paris and even giving him a new car. Some people attracted to the Left are pathetic

[ColonelCossack]

Anarchists because The Sex Pistols & Ramones told them to be :L
I actually know a supposed Anarchist who hates any form of welfare but ''hates the ruling class'' and is opposed to Socialism yet his parents are the best examples of petty bourgeois in my town :L Spoiled with summer trips to Paris and even giving him a new car. Some people attracted to the Left are pathetic

I know. the one I was talking about was like "i hate all of the shit money shit we've got now SMASH THE STATE!!! Then they're like "why're you a communist communists are evel herp derp"

[DarkPast]

Yes, it can be extremely frustrating. But I still think we have a duty to try. Firstly, note that there's several "schools" of fascism. Read about them. You have to try and understand your opponents point of view if you want to convince them they're wrong.

The most important thing about showing anyone that we've got the right idea is to challenege the things that seem to be bothering them most and go from there.

A common motive among fascists (the stasserist/mussolinist kind, not hardcore antisemites) is that the working class of their "nation" have been betrayed by the upper classes who have "sold them out". I think one way to get a fascist to see some sense would be to first stress the points that our ideologies agree on (international free market capitalism is bad) and go from there.

Point out WHY the bourgeois are handing out jobs to foreigners (it's more profitable).
If they can see that the problems of our society grow from the way the means of production are organised (and not from race, gender, sexuality etc.), then you have a chance.

Btw, what I wrote above refers to working class fascists. Try to get talk with them alone, not while with their other fascist buddies. Forget even trying to reason with bourgeois fascists. Also, anyone in their mid-twenties or older who still believes conspiracy theories that a secret cartel of Jewish-bolshevik bankers controls the world is almost certainly not worth your time, either. Oh, and don't try posting on Stormfront or any similar forum - it's a complete waste of effort.

EDIT: Finally, and this applies when talking to any non-leftist, don't use "loaded" words like "proletariat" or "bourgeois" the first time you talk to them - it will immediately make them suspicious/hostile towards you. Likewise, if they don't know you're a communist/anarchist - don't tell them immediately.

[tachosomoza]

NO sense in even talking to them. Fascists are sick minded people who need to be locked away and isolated from the rest of society, and if possible depending on the case, rehabilitated.

If, by rehabilitation, you mean a bullet to the brain, then certainly they can be rehabilitated. :D

[Commissar Rykov]

Yes, it can be extremely frustrating. But I still think we have a duty to try. Firstly, note that there's several "schools" of fascism. Read about them. You have to try and understand your opponents point of view if you want to convince them they're wrong.

The most important thing about showing anyone that we've got the right idea is to challenege the things that seem to be bothering them most and go from there.

A common motive among fascists (the stasserist/mussolinist kind, not hardcore antisemites) is that the working class of their "nation" have been betrayed by the upper classes who have "sold them out". I think one way to get a fascist to see some sense would be to first stress the points that our ideologies agree on (international free market capitalism is bad) and go from there.

Point out WHY the bourgeois are handing out jobs to foreigners (it's more profitable).
If they can see that the problems of our society grow from the way the means of production are organised (and not from race, gender, sexuality etc.), then you have a chance.

Btw, what I wrote above refers to working class fascists. Try to get talk with them alone, not while with their other fascist buddies. Forget even trying to reason with bourgeois fascists. Also, anyone in their mid-twenties or older who still believes conspiracy theories that a secret cartel of Jewish-bolshevik bankers controls the world is almost certainly not worth your time, either. Oh, and don't try posting on Stormfront or any similar forum - it's a complete waste of effort.

EDIT: Finally, and this applies when talking to any non-leftist, don't use "loaded" words like "proletariat" or "bourgeois" the first time you talk to them - it will immediately make them suspicious/hostile towards you. Likewise, if they don't know you're a communist/anarchist - don't tell them immediately.
Probably the best advice and anaylsis I have seen on here in regards to Working Class Fascists and fit me to a tee while I was still involved. The reality is you can use the betrayal of the upper classes against the workers as an inroad that is actually quite successful.

[tachosomoza]

Also, if you're of an ethnic minority, leave it to the comrades that have a majority phenotype to argue with the fascists. That's just common physical sense.

[Rainsborough]

Probably the best advice and anaylsis I have seen on here in regards to Working Class Fascists and fit me to a tee while I was still involved. The reality is you can use the betrayal of the upper classes against the workers as an inroad that is actually quite successful.

At the risk of being banned. Didn't we just throw Coach Trotsky off the forum for expressing similar sentiments? And havent we dismissed the Socialist Phalanx forum as fascist stormfronter scum for pursuing this line?

[tachosomoza]

Holy fuck, Trotsky's banned?

[Commissar Rykov]

At the risk of being banned. Didn't we just throw Coach Trotsky off the forum for expressing similar sentiments? And havent we dismissed the Socialist Phalanx forum as fascist stormfronter scum for pursuing this line?
No he was still a Fascist and I am not. Are you a member of the SP? You seem to like to wank over Coach Trotsky being banned.

[Joseph S.]

NO sense in even talking to them. Fascists are sick minded people who need to be locked away and isolated from the rest of society, and if possible depending on the case, rehabilitated.
And that doesn't qualify es fascissem?
:rolleyes:
Just put them on a boot and give them there white home land.
I hear the south pole is nice this time of year. :laugh:
And if thay care about animalas that much let en figth japanees wailers.

[Rainsborough]

No he was still a Fascist and I am not. Are you a member of the SP? You seem to like to wank over Coach Trotsky being banned.

During my Stormfront trolling days, I recall some fascist posting that he could never trust an ex-leftie. Why should we trust an ex fash?

[Commissar Rykov]

During my Stormfront trolling days, I recall some fascist posting that he could never trust an ex-leftie. Why should we trust an ex fash?
Thats your own problem though I would question the integrity of anyone using Stormfront logic. Then again your constant apologetics for Socialist Phalanx makes me care even less about your opinion.

If you can find anything you don't like or question about me via my postings I suggest you take it up with the Admins till then I politely suggest you fuck off with your constant following me around with your snide comments.

[DarkPast]

During my Stormfront trolling days, I recall some fascist posting that he could never trust an ex-leftie. Why should we trust an ex fash?

A) like Commissar Rykov said, why are you using their logic?

B) a person's political standpoint is not something hard-coded in their genes. It is the result of a conscious decision formed in response to the person's socio-economic environment and their experiences within it.

C) if we ban ex-fascists, should we also restrict ex-conservatives and ex-social democrats?

[Commissar Rykov]

A) like Commissar Rykov said, why are you using their logic?

B) a person's political standpoint is not something hard-coded in their genes. It is the result of a conscious decision formed in response to the person's socio-economic environment and their experiences within it.

C) if we ban ex-fascists, should we also restrict ex-conservatives and ex-social democrats?
Exactly few people fall into the realm of Class Conscious politics right away I am sure there are a few but it seems rather inane to ban anyone based on coming from a viewpoint that is extremely reactionary. This is why I enjoy posting in this section as I hope I can offer my advice in how to reach Working Class Youth that have been led astray by Fascist Politics. If I could make it out and I was rather neckdeep then a lot of others can. I believe that as much the point of AntiFa as it is standing against the behavior they exhibit in public.

[Rainsborough]

A) like Commissar Rykov said, why are you using their logic?

B) a person's political standpoint is not something hard-coded in their genes. It is the result of a conscious decision formed in response to the person's socio-economic environment and their experiences within it.

C) if we ban ex-fascists, should we also restrict ex-conservatives and ex-social democrats?

Okay,

A) I was not "using their logic" merely making a point.

B) That was the point I was trying to make. That people like Coach Trotsky, and no doubt others on the Socialist Phalanx, deserve to be given a chance and not instantly dismissed as fascists. Commissar Rykov, probably knows better than most just how hard the journey from a fascist perspective to the left is. His instant condemnation of those I see as moving leftward was annoying, but then I guess some fascism is harder to shake off than others.

C) as above.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Arguing with a fascist is like talking an wall, or in a tortoise.It's pointless and doing it you waste time of your life.

[Commissar Rykov]

Okay,

A) I was not "using their logic" merely making a point.

B) That was the point I was trying to make. That people like Coach Trotsky, and no doubt others on the Socialist Phalanx, deserve to be given a chance and not instantly dismissed as fascists. Commissar Rykov, probably knows better than most just how hard the journey from a fascist perspective to the left is. His instant condemnation of those I see as moving leftward was annoying, but then I guess some fascism is harder to shake off than others.

C) as above.
I have zero and I do mean zero sympathy for racialists. Coach Trotsky was a racialist and that you keep crying over his ban means you are either a friend of his or from the Socialist Phalanx. Otherwise I don't get why you are crying that the Revleft Admins banned a racialist other than it might possibly offend your racialist sympathies? Could that be it?

[dinoantifaru]

same thing happened to me . these fascists are so brainwashed and stubborn, you can explain him for years and you can have millions of arguments, he will still be against you .

[Rainsborough]

I have zero and I do mean zero sympathy for racialists. Coach Trotsky was a racialist and that you keep crying over his ban means you are either a friend of his or from the Socialist Phalanx. Otherwise I don't get why you are crying that the Revleft Admins banned a racialist other than it might possibly offend your racialist sympathies? Could that be it?

Keep it up comrade. I am not , nor ever have been a fascist like some.

[Commissar Rykov]

Keep it up comrade. I am not , nor ever have been a fascist like some.
I suggest you either take it up with the Admins and stop your nonsense or I will report you for harassment. I am open about my past because it has the ability to help those in a similar situation I have no use for whiny little tossers like yourself that think everyone becomes Left-Wing radicals at birth. I know you are probably young and naive but it is time to take your shit elsewhere if you can't handle that people have actual complicated lives.

[tachosomoza]

I have zero and I do mean zero sympathy for racialists. Coach Trotsky was a racialist and that you keep crying over his ban means you are either a friend of his or from the Socialist Phalanx. Otherwise I don't get why you are crying that the Revleft Admins banned a racialist other than it might possibly offend your racialist sympathies? Could that be it?

Trotsky never gave me any indication that he was a "racialist". He knew that I was African-American and never gave me any guff for it. He should be unbanned.

[Commissar Rykov]

Trotsky never gave me any indication that he was a "racialist". He knew that I was African-American and never gave me any guff for it. He should be unbanned.
Then you should read his postings used as evidence for his ban. He states he was more Pro-White than most Stormfronters and they couldn't handle it thus they banned him amongst other garbage. Thinking and reading before you defend someone would probably be best as the evidence was overwhelming against him.

[tachosomoza]

Perhaps the reason is because Socialist Phalanx ain't "white nationalists" and ain't fascist. Yes, some of Socialist Phalanx folks came from fundamental break with WN transpiring over the last couple of years. These folks broke AWAY from fascism and racism, away from class collaboration. Some--those calling themselves "Strasserites" or similar Third Way types--are being engaged, challenged, and some are moving bit by bit. Yes, it is tedious and frustrating.
It would be a lot easier to make this struggle with white working class people who still cling to some WN/fascist delusions if:
1) There was a higher level of class struggle taking place in the countries where we live.
2) The "revolutionary Left" actually was dynamically engaging those at the bottom of society and responding effectively to the initiatives of those trying to make a real fightback for more radical solutions. Use a transitional method beginning with where these folks are at NOW, rather than waiting until some day when people magically are supposed to "awaken" or become "enlightened". If you don't persistently engage and you don't listen and you don't provide dynamic transitional revolutionary socialist guidance, their consciousness, activity and organization will not improve...and neither will yours.
3) The "revolutionary Left" clearly differentiated its political stance and practical approach to questions of nationhood and special oppression from the bourgeois liberals and petty bourgeois reformists. When you take your cues and accept the constraints about what is considered 'progressive' from the exploiting classes and their sellout misleaders, of course you'll end up on the wrong side and facing off against people who instead you "leftist" should be standing with and championing their interests.

Please, direct me to where he said he was "Pro White". Even so, if you're going to ban people for saying that they're "pro XXX", then you should ban all the people of other racial affiliations who do so. Otherwise, you're being prejudicial. I remember him expressing that we as leftists need to take steps to avoid alienating the white working class because they are often used as tools by bourgeois fascist/racist groups.

[Commissar Rykov]

Please, direct me to where he said he was "Pro White". Even so, if you're going to ban people for saying that they're "pro XXX", then you should ban all the people of other racial affiliations who do so. Otherwise, you're being prejudicial. I remember him expressing that we as leftists need to take steps to avoid alienating the white working class because they are often used as tools by bourgeois fascist/racist groups.

That you expected him to espouse such views on this forum shows how naive and unaware you are of fascist recruitment and agitation. Here is a link though of members who dug up his behavior and got him banhammered due to the overwhelming evidence. That you don't like it has fuck all to do with this thread so please take the Coach Trotsky whining elsewhere as that is not the purpose of this thread.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/restrict-coach-trotsky-t160439/index.html

[tachosomoza]

That you expected him to espouse such views on this forum shows how naive and unaware you are of fascist recruitment and agitation. Here is a link though of members who dug up his behavior and got him banhammered due to the overwhelming evidence. That you don't like it has fuck all to do with this thread so please take the Coach Trotsky whining elsewhere as that is not the purpose of this thread.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/restrict-coach-trotsky-t160439/index.html

But, explain to me how the Socialist Phalanx is a fascist website?

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t184-faq

[Commissar Rykov]

But, explain to me how the Socialist Phalanx is a fascist website?

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t184-faq
Strasserists and other Fascists don't use the term anymore there is a reason they are trying to rebrand and use the militancy of the Working Class. It worked for Mussolini and Hitler when they formed their Blackshirts and Stormtroopers. Don't take rhetoric at face value as their site is full of racialist discussions of how Jews control capital and other bullshit. I suggest you stop defending them as anything remotely revolutionary I have seen this shit a thousand times and it never changes. Just because Fascists don't come out and admit it doesn't mean they aren't. I've seen the movement adopt all kinds of labels Left-Wing Nationalism, Third Positionism, State Capitalist, Corporatist, etc.

If you see nothing wrong with a site that allows homophobia, racialism, race baiting, and rampant Antisemitism then maybe you are the one on the wrong site?

[tachosomoza]

Strasserists and other Fascists don't use the term anymore there is a reason they are trying to rebrand and use the militancy of the Working Class. It worked for Mussolini and Hitler when they formed their Blackshirts and Stormtroopers. Don't take rhetoric at face value as their site is full of racialist discussions of how Jews control capital and other bullshit. I suggest you stop defending them as anything remotely revolutionary I have seen this shit a thousand times and it never changes. Just because Fascists don't come out and admit it doesn't mean they aren't. I've seen the movement adopt all kinds of labels Left-Wing Nationalism, Third Positionism, State Capitalist, Corporatist, etc.

If you see nothing wrong with a site that allows homophobia, racialism, race baiting, and rampant Antisemitism then maybe you are the one on the wrong site?

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t184-faq

Read the FAQ. I've been dealing with this shit for years, these aren't fascists. And I'd appreciate it if you stop suggesting me things to do.

Read this as well, comrade.

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t452-revlefters-questions-for-you#3254

[Commissar Rykov]

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t184-faq

Read the FAQ. I've been dealing with this shit for years, these aren't fascists. And I'd appreciate it if you stop suggesting me things to do.

Read this as well, comrade.

http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t452-revlefters-questions-for-you#3254
Now it is quite obvious you are a member of the SP and likely will be restricted if not banned outright. Thanks for outing yourself though.

[tachosomoza]

I am not a member of the SP. I didn't even know what it was until Trotsky was banned over it. When I said I've been dealing with shit, I meant fascists in Leftist clothing.

[Rainsborough]

You know Comrade Rykov you seem pretty quick at calling out fascists, I'm beginning to wonder about you. According to comrades who have troll accounts over at scumfront, there has been quite a bit of excitement in certain places recently over certain revleft accusations about SP (as they have an equal, if not more, amount of hate for them as they do for us). By all accounts they have a 'brother' who has a troll account here and has been instrumental in getting one of the most hated 'commies' banned. Now I'm not pointing any fingers but I'm wondering who this troll might be.

[Commissar Rykov]

You know Comrade Rykov you seem pretty quick at calling out fascists, I'm beginning to wonder about you. According to comrades who have troll accounts over at scumfront, there has been quite a bit of excitement in certain places recently over certain revleft accusations about SP (as they have an equal, if not more, amount of hate for them as they do for us). By all accounts they have a 'brother' who has a troll account here and has been instrumental in getting one of the most hated 'commies' banned. Now I'm not pointing any fingers but I'm wondering who this troll might be.
Well since I've never been on Stormfront nor never been a racialist I could give a fuck all about them or their claims or your petty insinuations. You two fucks deserve each other though as well as the SP. I am quick to call out fascists because I was one and I know how they operate in forums and honestly you seem like one of their typical trolls if you want insinuations. So once again I state get back on the topic of this thread or I am reporting for harassment. If you have actual evidence take it to the admins and I look forward to the hilarity of your claims till then fuck off.

[Susurrus]

Oh for heavens sake, will you people calm down. It's turning into a White Scare in here.

[Commissar Rykov]

Oh for heavens sake, will you people calm down. It's turning into a White Scare in here.
They are just mad because I was so vocal in the banning of the racialist scum known as Coach Trotsky. Now they just want to get me banned because I am open about my past it is pathetic but typical of 14 year olds with too much time on their hands and the loss of their racialist comrade.

[electro_fan]

if he's an ex fash, and is sincere about it, then give him the benefit of the doubt ffs. there are reasons why people develop fascist sympathies, and these aren't just because they're "evil".

fash don't trust anyone and are paranoid, it's no surprise that a fash would say something like "i'll never trust a (whatever it is)." Why? Because they are fash, they think that human nature is unchanging, they believe in absolute good (fash) and absolute bad (traitors). we're better than that. come on.

[electro_fan]

quite frankly if you exclude people from joining the left on the basis of their former political affiliations where do you stop frankly. who is perfect when they get involved in the left. the fact is that ex fash are often the most hardened anti fash, because they know better than anyone what scum the fascist cadre are, why people are attracted to the far-right, and how their activists operate, not just online but in the real world.

i have nothing but utter hatred for the fash, but if you treat someone like scum on the basis that they were once a fash, then you're going to miss some valuable insights in terms of anti-fascist strategy and some pretty dedicated fighters for our side and for the working class in general.

[Boyncanalty]

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