Current Communist State

[Bostana]

What is the Current Communist Position in the world right now?
Which Communist Country has the best economy?

[Ismail]

Moved from History to Learning.

[CommunityBeliever]

What is the Current Communist Position in the world right now?After 20 years of counter-revolution in the former USSR (the first worker's state), the current communist position is pretty pitiful.

Capitalism has destroyed the remaining feudalists and socialists to usher in an era of complete world domination (globalisation) only a few isolated locations (namely Cuba and the DPRK), are free from this. The other communist countries succumbed to "economic liberalisation."

The way I see it the there are two progressive groups/areas in the world today. The first is the Eastern communist countries:


DPRK - reactionary/nationalist "Juche"
China - "socialism with Chinese characteristics" and "Dengism"
Laos - similar to China
Vietnam - "Don Moi"

The second group is the "Bolivarian alliance for the Americas" with Cuba and Venezuela:


Cuba - early stage of socialism
Venezuela - "Boliviarian revolution"


Which Communist Country has the best economy? Cuba definitely. Cuba is the only country which hasn't strayed far from Marxism.

[Magón]

None, there are no Communist country's in the world. Cuba for some, is an example, and probably the only remaining example, of Socialism in the world, but everywhere else Communism/Socialism is nonexistent.

[Geiseric]

Cuba is undergoing the same capitalist "reforms" that the USSR did before its breaking up as well. It sounds more like an NEP which was under Lenin after the civil war was over, but it still is a malo sign.

[rollshevik]

Well there really has never been any real communist state in the truest sense of the word, but in terms of revolutionary spirit i'd say about 30%.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Well there really has never been any real communist state in the truest sense of the word, but in terms of revolutionary spirit i'd say about 30%.

Please do elaborate.

[RED DAVE]

only a few isolated locations (namely Cuba and the DPRK), are free from this.Why are you confusing people like that? Cuba and the DPRK are both state capitalim. The workers no more control the economy in these countries that they do in a US corporation.

RED DAVE

[socialistjustin]

We cant answer the question because there are no communist states. I know there are people who think that North Korea, Cuba and China are some sort of shining lights in a dark world, but theyre not.

[Sensible Socialist]

There is no country that is both stateless and classless, ergo there is no communist country on Earth. I would also content that there are no socialist countries on Earth, regardless of what people say about Cuba and others.

[RedSunsZenith]

Since Communism is born out of capitalism, and since none of the self-proclaimed "communist" countries have fully endured capitalism, I would also have to agree that it has not yet existed.

[CommunityBeliever]

Why are you confusing people like that?

Cuba (with the exception of the U.S owned Guatanomo bay area) and the DPRK are isolated from globalisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization) and the unification of the world economic order.


Cuba and the DPRK are both state capitalim.I think ultraleftists throw around that word "state capitalism" around too much. The DPRK its own system of Juche (which is reactionary and non-Marxist) which is distinct from every other system. Cuba can be considered to be at a stage of socialism.


I know there are people who think that North Korea, Cuba and China are some sort of shining lights in a dark world, but theyre not.

People in Haiti are eating dirt to survive:

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Compare that to Haiti's neighbour, Cuba, then get back to me on that.

[rollshevik]

Please do elaborate.
About there never having been a true communist state or about 30% of the population being socialist?

[Susurrus]

I can only think of one in existence right now...

http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/3ad1500/en/fixed/470/626/Mexico.Chis.EZLN.01.jpg

[socialistjustin]

Congratulations, Cuba is a better place to live than Haiti. Not sure how this proves that Cuba is a communist shining light, but whatever.

[CommunityBeliever]

Congratulations, Cuba is a better place to live than Haiti. Not sure how this proves that Cuba is a communist shining light, but whatever. Western imperialism
http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/british-slave-ship.jpg?w=426&h=282

The Western imperialist countries and the third world that they exploit - definitely constitute a "dark world." People in these countries are suffering and they aren't ensured a decent standard of living.

"Shining Lights"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Communist_States.svg/500px-Communist_States.svg.png

There are five countries in the 21th century that stand in opposition to the "dark world" of Western imperialist hegemony: Cuba, China, Laos, Vietnam, and the DPRK.These countries ensure a standard of living much better then other countries in the third world, their people can eat actual food rather then dirt.

A large group of Western so-called "left" groups succumb to Western propaganda and they throw these countries in with the rest of the "dark world."

[thefinalmarch]

Rather than telling us how life in these countries is qualitatively better than life in Haiti for example, how about you actually explain to us the methods by which the working class collectively organises and participates in production and democratically administers society, and precisely which organs of popular power are utilised by the workers to meet these ends.

Ultimately you will be unable to prove that the workers indeed control Cuban, Chinese, Lao or Vietnamese society. More likely you will find yourself rattling on about about how state ownership and management of means of production is precisely what Lenin apparently envisioned socialism to be. If your view of socialism (or indeed communism, not that they are actually any different in terms of the relationships to production) is state ownership and management of the means of production, then your political philosophy is quite simply an aberration of Marxism and has absolutely no place in the communist movement.

In fact, what's really worrying is that you label the People's Republic of China as a [communist] "shining light" (although this may only be due to the fact that you took this image off wikipedia and the PRC just happened to be included on the map. Nevertheless, it provides me with some pretty damming clues as to just where you get your theory from - fucking wikipedia). China is a blatantly capitalist state busy pursuing its own imperial interests in Africa and North Korea by means of heavy foreign investment. It is dammed far from being a shining light.

[Tommy4ever]

Should a Maoist really be refering to 21st century China as a ''shining light'' in the ''dark world'' of capitalism?

If you want to support capitalist states who wave red flags, then you should probably refer to yourself as a Brezhnevite or perhaps (if we're being China specific) a Dengist?

Atleast you would be being more honest.

[CommunityBeliever]

(although this may only be due to the fact that you took this image off wikipedia and the PRC just happened to be included on the map. Nevertheless, it provides me with some pretty damming clues as to just where you get your theory from - fucking wikipedia).

That picture is from wikimedia commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), not from "fucking wikipedia."

Wikimedia commons contains many high-quality pictures, some of which I uploaded myself, which are used on a variety of sites like wikipedia.


Should a Maoist really be refering to 21st century China as a ''shining light'' in the ''dark world'' of capitalism?

I put the words "shining light" and "dark world" in quotes. I wouldn't use those exact terms, but they were originally referenced by socialistjustin.


If you want to support capitalist states who wave red flags, then you should probably refer to yourself as a Brezhnevite or perhaps (if we're being China specific) a Dengist?

I oppose Brezhnev's reactionary and regressive reforms, but at the same time I recognise that things were made even worse by other reactionaries like Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

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Similarily, Deng Xiaoping's reactionary reforms eliminated many of the successes of the Mao era, but not all of them (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90780/7577764.html). I recognise that reactionaries could make China even worse, by making it into "blatant capitalist" nation along Russia and the U.S.

[thefinalmarch]

That picture is from wikimedia commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), not from "fucking wikipedia."

Wikimedia commons contains many high-quality pictures, some of which I uploaded myself, which are used on a variety of sites like wikipedia.
Got me on a technicality there. However, it should be noted that most maps visually representing data which are uploaded to commons are done so for the purposes of complementing existing wikipedia articles on the same subject - and their data is typically taken from wikipedia itself.

[Tommy4ever]

China is a blatant capitalist nation! Unless state involvement in the economy is your measure of what socialism is, in which case - :laugh: