Che & his women

[Danton]

Does anyone have any clue as to why Che married and had a child with Hilda Gadea? I understand she was very smart and also had left wing views but my word, didn't she have a face like a bag of spanners...

Remember that picture of them together at Chichen itza? She looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp... Could this be why he ran off to war?

Ok, it's feacitious (sp?) so am I right now...Condem me if you will (feminists) but Iv'e always wondered what he saw in her ( besides her money and contacts).

[Fidelbrand]

My anticipation:

As Che is a natural born lover (love for people, women, liberty,etc) & he feels he has owed Hilda something (She takes care of him. the links, etc), this leads him to marry her out of responsibility and for appreciation's sake !? When he is out on projects/excursions, he can get on any women anyway~

Excuse me for my frank and seemingly offensive guess.. but.. yes, it is just a guess~

[Danton]

So you think he felt that much of an obligation he had to marry her? He always struck me as violently unsentimental even with his own mother...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

What makes you say that Danton? (I dont know much about Che's personal life)

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 06:30 PM
So you think he felt that much of an obligation he had to marry her? He always struck me as violently unsentimental even with his own mother...
Are you kidding? I always felt he was fiercely passionate about everything from women to the revolution. Listen to some of his recorded speeches and tell me he wasnt passionate!


As Che is a natural born lover (love for people, women, liberty,etc) & he feels he has owed Hilda something (She takes care of him. the links, etc), this leads him to marry her out of responsibility and for appreciation's sake !?

This plus, maybe he actually loved her for these things as well.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 06:30 PM
So you think he felt that much of an obligation he had to marry her? He always struck me as violently unsentimental even with his own mother...
hmm.. not as bad as an obligation, but, maybe something that came out from his conscience.

Violently unsentimental? .....Didn't Che & Che 's mom had a great relationship ,, they are like friends~ aren't they? :o

[Ortega]

i read that che just married hilda because she was an "easy f**k" and he felt like he had to after their relationship went on for a while... it wasnt really out of love

....not to offend anyone.... ;)

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 01:01 PM
Does anyone have any clue as to why Che married and had a child with Hilda Gadea? I understand she was very smart and also had left wing views but my word, didn't she have a face like a bag of spanners...
Nice bag:

[Danton]

Are you kidding? I always felt he was fiercely passionate

Passionate, definatley!... Unsentimental is what I said, he was blase about his own death in the casual letters he wrote home, this must have caused his dear old mum no end of anguish...God bless her..

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by Hampton+Oct 23 2003, 03:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hampton @ Oct 23 2003, 03:08 AM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 01:01 PM
Does anyone have any clue as to why Che married and had a child with Hilda Gadea? I understand she was very smart and also had left wing views but my word, didn&#39;t she have a face like a bag of spanners...
Nice bag: [/b]
Hilda was pretty short......

[El Commandante]

Che came from a background of husbands being uncaring to their families; his father was often at work till late and very partiarchal over the family so it was the environment in which he was brought up and it seemed to have rubbed off on him. Che was a very passionate man who showed love and affection to his children but had many other passions which he had to fulfill - for example travel and the revolution. This collected together to mean that he did not have enough time to be passionate enough for all people and things in his life and he seemed to prioritise the revolution as being more important as his family. Imagine if it had been different?

[Le Libérer]

Wow, he doesnt look very honeymooned does he? Neither does she. Are there many reports of him womanizing?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

She looks pissed off in the picture LOL

[Comrade Ceausescu]

nah.Che loved women,but he was not a womanizer.

[El Commandante]

I heard that in Bolivia Che had an affair with Tanya the russian KGB agent who was attached to the group and that she may have been carrying his child which was part of the reason that she did not want to leave the rebels and return to La Paz when she had the chance and stayed with them in the jungle. But this may not be entirely reliable.

I also heard that on his motorcycle adventure across South America he had a few passionate affairs and nearly got roped into marrying a girl at the insistance of her father. He made a quick get away from that and set off on the road again.

[Zafiro]

Some theories point that we look for a mother/father figure in our partners.
If that&#39;s true concerning hischoice of women we can have a hint of why he choose Hilda.

Hilda had liberal thoughts and attitutes,like Che&#39;s mom, and physicaly she reminds me of his dad.
With Aleida,she has finer features andreminds me physicaly of his mom,but even after Aleida&#39;s part in the revolution I sense she&#39;s a classic lady in her private life.

Truly Che had his tastes,...be a little &#39;odd&#39; for today&#39;s standards of beauty but that what made him so unique. He could be with a partner he loved not minding her looks,age,nationality or what people said. ;)

[nezvanova]

I read about this one girl he almost married before he left argintina for is motorcycle journey with his friend alberto. her parents didn&#39;t really approve though, and the relationship never worked out. It&#39;s kind of odd to thinkt hat if he had married that girl, he may never have become the revolutionary we all know and love...

[guevara-marley]

if i should tell the truth: i don&#39;t like her&#33; she was only two years older than him, but she looked with 27years like 50. i don&#39;t like her&#33; in one book, they write, that he married her because she did so many things for him.. or that he only want to have someone to talk and discuss.. i really don&#39;t know&#33;

but i know that i don&#39;t like her&#33;&#33;

teté

[suffianr]

Sometimes beauty is from within... :lol:

[&#39;&#39;electra&#39;&#39;]

don&#39;t you guys have anything better to do than insult a dead woman?if you were che you didn&#39;t have to marry her if you didn&#39;t want to.But since che liked her for some reason &wanted her to be his wife i think you should just mind your own business.And are&#39;&#39;good looks&#39;&#39;the only thing that is important to you?couldn&#39;t che have just loved her for her personality?i don&#39;t think anyone marrys sb cauz he owns him sth.And without the intension of being rude i believe it&#39;s an offend to che&#39;s memory to say that he &#39;&#39;used&#39;&#39;a person to achive his goals.Don&#39;t get me wrong i don&#39;t mean to be offensive and i don&#39;t judge you i just hated it when i read comments about Hilda cauz i have some respect about her.She&#39;s a person to be admired.She was so smart&strong determined&she wasn&#39;t ugly if you ask me.She would look nice if she were younger.BEING PREETY IS A MATTER OF LUCK.BEING A REBEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LUCK.LET US ADMIRE THE ONES WHO ARE NOT BASED IN LUCK TO DO STH FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

[canikickit]

Che was probably attracted to Hilda as a sort of mother figure. She though him a lot, I think.
I&#39;d imagine that he just fell in to marrying her. He thought it was the right thing to do, some of his friends at home were probably marrying at that age and what not.

Their relationship was pretty shaky at all times, I think.

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[canikickit]

Hello Huaqiao&#33;

We cannot read a lot of your writing, it is not displaying sensible words, just symbols.

I like your wife though.

[&#39;&#39;electra&#39;&#39;]

hey chinese guy i have the impression that you want to insult che and generally all us members here.stop posting pictures that have nothing to do with this site&#33;and write in english &#33;[well if you got sth smart to say]

[Hitman47]

How old was Che and Hilda Gadea when they married?

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 01:04 AM
How old was Che and Hilda Gadea when they married?
I am reading "Che Guevara - A Revolutionary Life" by Jon Lee Anderson and he says that Ernesto and Hilda were married on August 18, 1955. Hilda was pregnant and had their daughter in February, 1956.

[Hitman47]

Originally posted by sexydj4u+Jan 18 2004, 03:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sexydj4u @ Jan 18 2004, 03:51 AM)
[email protected] 18 2004, 01:04 AM
How old was Che and Hilda Gadea when they married?
I am reading "Che Guevara - A Revolutionary Life" by Jon Lee Anderson and he says that Ernesto and Hilda were married on August 18, 1955. Hilda was pregnant and had their daughter in February, 1956. [/b]
but how old were they when they got married, because Hilda looks heeps older than Che :unsure:

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by Hitman47+Jan 18 2004, 03:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hitman47 @ Jan 18 2004, 03:54 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 03:51 AM

[email protected] 18 2004, 01:04 AM
How old was Che and Hilda Gadea when they married?
I am reading "Che Guevara - A Revolutionary Life" by Jon Lee Anderson and he says that Ernesto and Hilda were married on August 18, 1955. Hilda was pregnant and had their daughter in February, 1956.
but how old were they when they got married, because Hilda looks heeps older than Che :unsure: [/b]
Che was 27, he was born May 14, 1928....don&#39;t know yet how old Hilda was, she died in 1974.

Che did admit to a friend, when asked why he ever married a woman as "ugly" as Hilda, that although she was not physically beautiful, she had been a great "companera" to him and, in her defense, added that a person didn&#39;t have to be beautiful to be good in bed.

[schumi]

I always believed that che married her because she did many things for her. according to Jon Lee Anderson Che wrote in his diary that he married her because she had done so much for her and not because she was the prettiest girl in town...eventhough she was a bit ugly Che said that she was like an animal in bed. Maybe that&#39;s one more reason to marry Hilda ;)

[DeadMan]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Remember that one. I think one my buddy&#39;s gf is ugly, but he thinks she the hottest girl in the general area. It&#39;s his life not mine. If Che married and ugly women, then good for him, whatever floats his boat. My gf might not be concidered pretty by all, but I think she&#39;s damn hot. Hilda doesn&#39;t change my views toward Che and his thoughts/actions.

DeadMan.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 03:01 PM
Does anyone have any clue as to why Che married and had a child with Hilda Gadea? I understand she was very smart and also had left wing views but my word, didn&#39;t she have a face like a bag of spanners...

Remember that picture of them together at Chichen itza? She looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp... Could this be why he ran off to war?

Ok, it&#39;s feacitious (sp?) so am I right now...Condem me if you will (feminists) but Iv&#39;e always wondered what he saw in her ( besides her money and contacts).
I read somewhere hat he said about her "you don&#39;t need to be good looking to be great in bed"


:P

But hey, I&#39;m not a hot chick, but I&#39;d still make a decent wife :P

Sue a person for looking beyond the physical would you&#33;

[Ralph]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:36 PM
But hey, I&#39;m not a hot chick, but I&#39;d still make a decent wife :P


how do u know that?



:ph34r:

[Felicia]

ok, youi got me, I don&#39;t know what kind of wife I&#39;d make. All I know is that I have hips made for child-birthing :lol: :P

[BOZG]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Exactly...now this thread is about as relevant as the "What would Che do?/What would Che use?" threads.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I agree, I&#39;m quite bemused that somebody would post a thread saying Che Guervara had an ugly wife, what do you think?

I think you should wait until your balls drop before posting again, thats what I think.

[RED FIRE]

eventhough she was a bit ugly Che said that she was like an animal in bed

Lucky che&#33;...che did love to have sex, like most.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

True words...

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 08:31 PM
I agree, I&#39;m quite bemused that somebody would post a thread saying Che Guervara had an ugly wife, what do you think?

I think you should wait until your balls drop before posting again, thats what I think.
First off the thread&#39;s title does not read - "Che had an ugly wife", read it&#33;
Secondly, I find it an interesting subject and evidently others do also...
Thirdly it is a lighthearted look at Che&#39;s personal life not a malicious attack on Hilda Gadea - this forum is about Ernesto and his personal as well as political life... As I said in the first post I acknowledge it&#39;s slightly faeceitcious and I was in a mischivous mood...

My balls dropped whilst you were still in nappies sonny, perhaps you still are.. If you don&#39;t like a thread I suggest you stay the fuck away from it and me in future...

[Doda_Norrmaennen]

He was an horny motherfu***r&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FistFullOfSteel]

shut up

[Doda_Norrmaennen]

cool response asshole

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 08:50 AM


First off the thread&#39;s title does not read - "Che had an ugly wife", read it&#33;
Secondly, I find it an interesting subject and evidently others do also...
Thirdly it is a lighthearted look at Che&#39;s personal life not a malicious attack on Hilda Gadea - this forum is about Ernesto and his personal as well as political life... As I said in the first post I acknowledge it&#39;s slightly

My balls dropped whilst you were still in nappies sonny, perhaps you still are.. If you don&#39;t like a thread I suggest you stay the fuck away from it and me in future...

Of course I read it you gobshit.

Jesus.

Blah blah blah light hearted look at che&#39;s life etc.

Sorry my eyes can&#39;t read when they are glazing over.


faeceitcious and I was in a mischivous mood...

Is this a game of spot the words?

Im a 107.

[Intifada]

cool response asshole

nah, seriously shut up.

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:49 PM
Of course I read it you gobshit.

Jesus.

Blah blah blah light hearted look at che&#39;s life etc.

Sorry my eyes can&#39;t read when they are glazing over.


faeceitcious and I was in a mischivous mood...

Is this a game of spot the words?

Im a 107.
Congratulations on another productive and articulate post Giest, another gem from your seemingly endless well of insight and intrigue...

Since we are being pedantic over spelling: Gobshit should read Gobshite..
Can you not even insult correctly? Considering that insult people is all you do I would expect better.. The numerous, bilious rants and cretinous utterances you have spewed forth from your diseased mind have soiled these pages and if your not insulting someone it&#39;s just empty guff and wasted space..

Enemy of good language and inarticulate child, go away, go back to fucking Noddyland..

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Since we are being pedantic over spelling: Gobshit should read Gobshite..

Oh yeah and thats worse than your spelling of these words:

faeceitcious mischivous


Can you not even insult correctly? Considering that insult people is all you do I would expect better.. The numerous, bilious rants and cretinous utterances you have spewed forth from your diseased mind have soiled these pages and if your not insulting someone it&#39;s just empty guff and wasted space..

Oh man somebody take away his thesaurus

He is raping words of significance.


Enemy of good language and inarticulate child, go away, go back to fucking Noddyland..

Oh jesus thats just terrible...

You want to see my good posts check out the Philosophy forum, when I&#39;m not pissing off wasters I post there.


My English isnt great, I&#39;m Dutch.

[Danton]

Right, play the - I&#39;m Dutch card... Well, intolerable little gimps come from all nations.. And it is you who is excessivley anal in regards to spelling..

Looks like we are settling down to a prolonged correspondence of mutually reciprocated hatred, well buckle up fuckface - I too am capable of pig ignorance and sustained taunting, I fucking despise you for wasting my time here,wretched boy..

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I&#39;m not even dutch.

By the way its the internet, you might want to calm donw...

Hatred, pfft

your just a name to me wretched little boy <--makes you sound 50

What age are you actually?

[Danton]

Lucky for you it is the internet, by the way do your parents realize that they are paying for you to insult people online?

I don&#39;t hate you, I don&#39;t think enough of you to hate you, I hate that I have to waste time defending myself against deluded pre-pubescents..

My age is none of your concern, each digit alone probably exceeds your IQ...

I expect more of your obnoxious drool will await me in the morning, be sure it&#39;ll be treated with the same contempt.. Until then, pleasent dreams&#33;

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Lucky for you it is the internet, by the way do your parents realize that they are paying for you to insult people online?

Why what would you do? Come down from Middle Class world and soort me out along with society in one go? Seriously its the internet, stop threatening me like you would actually do something if we met, I assume from your posts your the kind of guy who mocks people once they are gone.



I don&#39;t hate you, I don&#39;t think enough of you to hate you, I hate that I have to waste time defending myself against deluded pre-pubescents

Then why have you? Is 19 considered pre-pubescant now? I doubt it or else todays biologists really ought review the old books hadnt they&#33;


My age is none of your concern, each digit alone probably exceeds your IQ...

I doubt it, in fact I reckon your the mediocre type who pretends to idiots they are intelligent because they have read some Marx or a little Sartre.


I expect more of your obnoxious drool will await me in the morning, be sure it&#39;ll be treated with the same contempt.. Until then, pleasent dreams&#33;

You sound like an English aristocrat, where&#39;s Oscar Wilde when you need him?

Oh and seeing as your in your middle twenties I reckon I would seriously consider dropping the obnoxious act, it makes you look like Feste or take your pick of fools.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by &#39;&#39;electra&#39;&#39;@Nov 14 2003, 08:27 PM
don&#39;t you guys have anything better to do than insult a dead woman?if you were che you didn&#39;t have to marry her if you didn&#39;t want to.But since che liked her for some reason &wanted her to be his wife i think you should just mind your own business.And are&#39;&#39;good looks&#39;&#39;the only thing that is important to you?couldn&#39;t che have just loved her for her personality?i don&#39;t think anyone marrys sb cauz he owns him sth.And without the intension of being rude i believe it&#39;s an offend to che&#39;s memory to say that he &#39;&#39;used&#39;&#39;a person to achive his goals.Don&#39;t get me wrong i don&#39;t mean to be offensive and i don&#39;t judge you i just hated it when i read comments about Hilda cauz i have some respect about her.She&#39;s a person to be admired.She was so smart&strong determined&she wasn&#39;t ugly if you ask me.She would look nice if she were younger.BEING PREETY IS A MATTER OF LUCK.BEING A REBEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LUCK.LET US ADMIRE THE ONES WHO ARE NOT BASED IN LUCK TO DO STH FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
Nicely said, Electra ;)

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 08:15 AM
Since we are being pedantic over spelling: Gobshit should read Gobshite..
Can you not even insult correctly? Considering that insult people is all you do I would expect better.. The numerous, bilious rants and cretinous utterances you have spewed forth from your diseased mind have soiled these pages and if your not insulting someone it&#39;s just empty guff and wasted space..

Enemy of good language and inarticulate child, go away, go back to fucking Noddyland..
Hahahahahaha...You are brilliant Danton and no I am not being sarcastic :lol:

[Danton]

Giest:

Have it your way, in retrospect I don&#39;t know why I wasted a second on an irritating weasel like you... :P

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 03:03 PM
Giest:

Have it your way, in retrospect I don&#39;t know why I wasted a second on an irritating weasel like you... :P

It&#39;s Geist by the way, nice Hegelian term you might know from your extensive studies in Marxism.

You wasted your time because you wanted to defend yourself against an attack, its as simple as that.

Plus you know everyone enjoys a flame war.

[BOZG]

Secondly, I find it an interesting subject and evidently others do also...


Many people found the "What would Che do/drive/drink/think/dream/smile at/dance to/breakdance with" threads interesting aswell. Doesn&#39;t mean that they&#39;re not a load of fucking bollocks, a waste of internet space and completely and utterly irrelevant.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Damnit don&#39;t you know Danton is too cool for school.

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 07:26 PM
Many people found the "What would Che do/drive/drink/think/dream/smile at/dance to/breakdance with" threads interesting aswell. Doesn&#39;t mean that they&#39;re not a load of fucking bollocks, a waste of internet space and completely and utterly irrelevant.
If it&#39;s irrelevant and a waste of internet space, what does that make your giddy little critique? :lol: Your an arse&#33;

[suffianr]

Whoa, easy there, fellows&#33; So much animosity&#33;

But I still think Hilda was a cow. :lol:

[RedAnarchist]

:lol: at the person who said their english wasnt good because they were dutch

english and dutch are very closely related languages1 it can be that hard for you surely&#33;

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

XPhile, I&#39;m not really Dutch.

Danton you just can&#39;t help coming back can you?

Oh and your a cow.

[&#39;&#39;electra&#39;&#39;]

If Hilda had another appearance -if she were a very pretty woman for example-she would probably be another person.She would have been a regular woman;probably she wouldn&#39;t have any interest in politics ,she would have got married in an early age,she wouldn&#39;t have met Che, she wouldn&#39;t have introduced him to Nico Lopez,Lopez wouldn&#39;t have introduced him to Fidel & Che wouldn&#39;t have taken part in the cuban revolution.Yeah maybe we wouldn&#39;t know ANYTHING about Che if it wasn&#39;t for Hilda. Maybe Che felt this woman was his lucky charm..... :D .....so he didn&#39;t want to lose her.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:29 AM
If it&#39;s irrelevant and a waste of internet space, what does that make your giddy little critique? :lol: Your an arse&#33;
It makes it far less a waste of time then making absolutely fucking stupid topics.