The treatment I endured

[Azula]

I am contemplating leaving these forums. The majority of the members seems to roleplay that they are genuine leftists. They are impolite and often outright mean, calling me a sociopath, a troll and most recently a cop.

I am hiding most of my convictions in real life and saw this place as a sanctuary of fresh air where I could express what is inside my heart.

[Dumb]

Left-wing cabin fever.

[gendoikari]

Yeah see even the most authoritarian socialists here don't even come close to what you propose, what you really want is the united soviet republic of azula, imposing azulaism. We don't hate you, we just think you have some very deep seated mental problems for which you should seek professional help. For instance anyone whom can talk about killing someone else as seriously, and nonchalantly as you definitely should see someone.

[Azula]

Look at this world.

People die all the time, because a few 60 million people have acquired most resources for themselves.

If we are going to correct that, it would certainly be bloodshed.

[gendoikari]

Look at this world.

People die all the time, because a few 60 million people have acquired most resources for themselves.

If we are going to correct that, it would certainly be bloodshed.

Do you even listen to yourself, do you realize what that entails.

[Azula]

I am not even advocating the killing of them. If they surrender unconditionally, they are allowed to keep their lives.

Do you realise what a Revolution is?

[Dumb]

Personally, I think we could use some concrete discussion of revolution for a change. Even though I don't agree with Azula's proposal (for better and for worse - I'll admit straight-up that I'm a grade-A wimp), it can only help to get us beyond abstract talk of revolution and self-emancipation of the working class.

Then again, it's also quite likely that this board goes out of the abstract on such issues already and I just haven't noticed (in addition to being a wimp, I'll also admit that I can be kind of dumb that way).

As for writing Azula off as a "tough guy" or a psychopath...Azula's stance is one that, in some permutation or another, basically wrote the history of the 20th century. It's silly to dismiss that kind of stance out of hand, if only because it has been so attractive to so many people, at least some of whom had the best intentions at least at the start.

[CleverTitle]

I am not even advocating the killing of them. If they surrender unconditionally, they are allowed to keep their lives.

Do you realise what a Revolution is?

You're being awfully dramatic about this.

[thesadmafioso]

Don't forget fascist in the list of accusations, I'm still not really convinced that your idea of the 'vanguard party' is all that different from what Mussolini had established in the 1920's to suppress leftist labor movements and to coup the Italian government. Actually, slight correction, you seem to picture your violence to be on a larger scale, I believe.

Serious misreadings of Lenin aside though, that isn't really an excuse to simply abandon Revleft and any other attempt to share your ideals. It's a complicated process, political socialization, and it's quite common to adopt positions that you might later re-question upon being faced with differing viewpoints or different theory.

I do believe you need some professional help as well, but the questions you are getting here are only going to help you through the system of developing your approach to leftist ideology.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Boo fucking hoo. Give me a break.

[Nox]

Azula I wouldn't worry about it. There's so many Ultra-Leftists & Idealists on this forum it isn't even worth contemplating.

[gendoikari]

I am not even advocating the killing of them. If they surrender unconditionally, they are allowed to keep their lives.

Do you realise what a Revolution is?

do you understand what taking a life is?

[Jazzratt]

I've seen dozens of Azulas on this board - suburban kiddies playing revolutionary by saying "shocking" things about violence and authority. I'd be immensly surprised if much of their opinions made it through to their early twenties - I'd be fucking gobsmacked if they made it to thirty with their shit ideas still intact. It would be funny, really, if the views weren't so fucking repulsive.

[Thirsty Crow]

Personally, I think we could use some concrete discussion of revolution for a change. Even though I don't agree with Azula's proposal (for better and for worse - I'll admit straight-up that I'm a grade-A wimp), it can only help to get us beyond abstract talk of revolution and self-emancipation of the working class.

The problem is that this concrete discussion, in this instance, almost exclusively entails talk of how exactly violence will be used, and most notably, this concrete discussion is pushed into the direction of violence fethishism. Also, I think you missed some threads where there was a discussion on concrete issues, but the problem is that we are not in a position to clearly recognize concrete posibilities since we're very far from a revolutionary situation. In stead, I've seen cocnrete dsicussion on, for instance, the possible roles of tevolutionary organizations in Madison, and the specifics of union struggle there, pointing to possible future devleopments which cannot be meaningfully called revolutionary, but rather defensive.

To get back to Azula's case, there's no coherent discussion on political strategy or the specifics of class power in transition from capitalism to socialism. In stead, what you get are tirades on ruthlessness and vague sloganeering, one or two line posts, a general derailment of discussion, and reference to the Holy Inquisition as a progressive force.

Azula, I can't say I'm really surprised that you are faced with such behaviour. I'd advise you to get of your high horse and stop equating anything which does not conform to your (abstract) insistence on the violent aspects of social transformation with roleplaying. Also I'd quote Zanthorus:


No, and I suggest that if you yourself are that you seek psychiatric help immediately. Humans, like most animals, do not naturally seek to kill others of their own kind. The majority of soldiers in war, for example, do not shoot to kill, and initially psychologically healthy soldiers who spend too much time in a warzone can quickly become unstable. You claiming that you are psychologically ready to kill another human being is probably indicative of one of two things. Either you are, as Apoi_Viitor put it, an internet tough guy posing about being a 'true revolutionary' ready to gun down reactionaries (Which is very much like a virgin talking about having sex) or you are, as I stated previously, some form of psychopath.


Azula I wouldn't worry about it. There's so many Ultra-Leftists & Idealists on this forum it isn't even worth contemplating.
Yes, because condemning the Holy Inquisition is idealist. And class politics centered on the militant and revolutionary labour movement, opposed to a military formation, as the primary locus of revolutionary politics is "ultra-leftist".

What a joke.

[Jazzratt]

do you understand what taking a life is? I'm sure she's done it plenty of times on Call of Duty.

[thesadmafioso]

Azula I wouldn't worry about it. There's so many Ultra-Leftists & Idealists on this forum it isn't even worth contemplating.

Seriously? I think most everyone minus a few people who take their Stalinist convictions quite seriously more or less tried to disassociate from and condemn what this poster was saying.

I would hardly consider myself an 'ultra leftist idealist', and yet I could't help be repulsed by the apparent jubilation this poster appeared to derive from the physical act of violence.

[Jazzratt]

As for writing Azula off as a "tough guy" or a psychopath...Azula's stance is one that, in some permutation or another, basically wrote the history of the 20th century. It's silly to dismiss that kind of stance out of hand, if only because it has been so attractive to so many people, at least some of whom had the best intentions at least at the start. On the other hand Azula (and the others before her, and probably after her) is a charisma-vacuum that couldn't persuade me to have a cold beer on a hot day, never mind actually kill someone for her batshit ideas. Also, to be honest, the 20th century as written politically was a big pile of shit - I don't think trying to emulate the kind of psychotic bozos that made it so is really all that worthwhile.

[Nox]

Seriously? I think most everyone minus a few people who take their Stalinist convictions quite seriously more or less tried to disassociate from and condemn what this poster was saying.

I would hardly consider myself an 'ultra leftist idealist', and yet I could't help be repulsed by the apparent jubilation this poster appeared to derive from the physical act of violence.

I will agree with you about that for some things she's said, such as what she said about feminism and females doing 60% of the work etc, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable things she has said that have been laughed at.

[Thirsty Crow]

I will agree with you about that for some things she's said, such as what she said about feminism and females doing 60% of the work etc, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable things she has said that have been laughed at.
Oh the cosmic injustice.

[Susurrus]

Don't give up or go away, comrade. True, you have some rather extreme ideas, but that's what this forum is for, to talk about and debate leftist theory. It's a pity so many people take the leap from criticizing ideas to criticizing people.

[thesadmafioso]

I will agree with you about that for some things she's said, such as what she said about feminism and females doing 60% of the work etc, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable things she has said that have been laughed at.

You agreed with this posters blind lust for violence and on their fascist inception of the 'vanguard party'? Go figure.

As I said, most everyone on the board minus a few devote Stalinist's has seen whatever it is that she is saying as simply falling horribly out of line with most any variation upon leftist revolutionary theory.

[Dumb]

On the other hand Azula (and the others before her, and probably after her) is a charisma-vacuum that couldn't persuade me to have a cold beer on a hot day, never mind actually kill someone for her batshit ideas. Also, to be honest, the 20th century as written politically was a big pile of shit - I don't think trying to emulate the kind of psychotic bozos that made it so is really all that worthwhile.

I'm not saying to emulate it. It's just that that style of politics has proven itself frighteningly attractive historically speaking; it's a mistake to alienate somebody like Azula from the start, because then such people have a tendency to go someplace where their impulses will remain unquestioned. That, and I have very low self-esteem connected to a perceived lack of strength, initiative and perseverance, so defending Azula helps me in the short term to validate myself in the face of these insecurities.

I'm totally open to the argument that I'm horribly misguided in that belief, though. "Question everything," all that sort, you know?

[Kamos]

I am contemplating leaving these forums.

Thank you.

[Gustav HK]

You're being awfully dramatic about this.

You are being awfully idealistic about this.

[o well this is ok I guess]

i just don't even
what
what are we doing
what is this

[Leftsolidarity]

Yes, please leave.

[PhoenixAsh]

I do not think you are a revolutionary leftist at all. Nor do I think you are a cop. I think you are a seriously misguided induvidual with serious psychological issues that need adressing asap. I see your whole body of posts here as a serious and very loud cry for attention...

Any credibility you could have had evaporated when you argued to pursue a policy of getting men to commit more abohorrent violent acts against women in order to somehow radicalise women. This position was repeated when you argued that reactionaries and fascists should be provoked to commit violence against the workingclass. In order to radicalise the population.

Your views on forcing children into gender roles is repulsive.

Your views on forcing women to subscribe to your ideological gender role is nauseating.

Your position to exclude all men from certain parts of society (based on their sex alone) and also from the feminist struggle and force men into guildridden forced lectures about the horrors of how women have been treated and punish them for any other opinion than yours is specious.

And your position that anybody not toeing the Azula line should either be executed or severely punished and locked up is abject.

Not to mention the fact that you actively advocate a dictatorship over the workingclass instead of one by the workingclass...and more than once have expressed admiration for the tactics and efficiency of the most abohorrent for reactionary movements and suggest to try and emulate these.

Your whole body of policitcs are centered around force, punishment, mass murder, mind controll, destruction of selfworth of induviduals and even commrades, illiciting violence against those who are already vulnerable, or those we are trying to give a better live and gaining domination over each and everyone. You claim this is truely revolutionary and that everybody who disagrees with you is not a revolutionary. Your whole body of politics suck, are misguided and are nauseating....and have, imo, no place in the revolutionary left.

And would there be any chance you were willing to listen to reason and factual information instead of engaging into strawmen arguments, non sequentors, one liners, continual repetition of already debunked arguments and avoidance of given counter arguments...then perhaps I would think you were just being obnoxious because of inexperience and that your politics were "under construction". That however does not seem the case.

I for one will not shed one tear when you go away. I will in fact be incredibly relieved that your ideas will no longer be associated with this board or the revolutionary left we as members here are supposed to represent.

[No_Leaders]

You have some rather disturbing views. I doubt you're a leftist at all imho. If you claim to be you're obviously very misguided and delusional.

[Magón]

i just don't even
what
what are we doing
what is this

We're contemplating, get with the pogrom.

[Rooster]

So Azula has the will to kill and to oppress people and their views but can't stomach being disagreed with on an internet forum?

[Misanthrope]

>advocate genocide, oppression and mass murder
>expect sympathy for being made fun of on the internet.

[o well this is ok I guess]

>advocate genocide, oppression and mass murder
>expect sympathy for being made fun of on the internet.>greentexting

[Quail]

I think you should read some more theory. It's good that you have such strong feelings about feminism and equality, but you need to learn about and understand the causes of inequality and really think hard about how we can change things in a realistic way that will lead naturally to a free and equal society. You advocate some very sinister methods of bringing about equality, which in fact would just make the situation worse or just bring about a reversal of the same oppressive structure.

[Sun at Eight]

I will agree with you about that for some things she's said, such as what she said about feminism and females doing 60% of the work etc, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable things she has said that have been laughed at.

Some of the things Azula wrote about feminism and women's liberation were the things that made me give her a little slack at first, since depending on one's life experiences gender oppression sometimes seems like it could only end with violence (for example, it wouldn't surprise me if women taken as a global whole do in fact do a noticeably higher amount of work, however one would quantify it). However, it boggles my mind that the radical feminism* is what bothered you as opposed to the creepy quasi-fascist militaristic organizational ideas of Azula (leftist presence should look like a "military occupation"). You should do some reading on the question of gender oppression.

* The other side of it is that while I presume Azula is a confused, angry 17 year old girl, some of her phrasings around feminism felt like a "men's rights" troll's idea of a "feminazi".

[La Comédie Noire]

If you had ever experienced violence and blood shed in real life you wouldn't be so eager to start taking lives.

[Obs]

Yo Azula for someone who can't shut the fuck up about killing and intimidating people you sure have thin fucking skin if you can't even take people calling you out on your bullshit on a fucking internet forum.

Get a life

[28350]

i love me some revleft drama

azula, what's your favorite marx text?

[Leftsolidarity]

azula, what's your favorite marx text?

None cuz he was a man duh

[Os Cangaceiros]

yo azula, your politics are wack son. :cool:

[Agent Equality]

Azula you would be doing Revleft, the Revolutionary left, and ultimately yourself a favor by leaving and never coming back. Your ideas are those of a severely mentally damaged person and are neither sane nor sanitary.

This whole thread seems akin to an SS officer in a concentration camp asking for mercy and complaining of ill treatment during WWII after their camp was liberated and the news of the horrors they committed finally came to light. Something like that.

[La Comédie Noire]

I'm actually a big fan of rehabilitation and it is my earnest wish that you will stay here and grow in both knowledge and attitude. Hopefully three years from now you will be looking at archives of your old posts and saying "man was I a stupid Stalin kiddy then."

I wouldn't take criticism from a bunch of strangers on the internet personally, how could it be? It's really your ideas we find unpalatable and hope, for both your health and safety irl, that you reconsider them after some close reading of theory and real world experience.

But if you choose to keep your beliefs and you think they have merit, then you should stay here and refine them with argumentation. After all, it is only through debate and real world experience that the communists are separated from the Stalin kiddies.

Be seeing you around the forums.

[Madslatter]

Revlefters like to declare certain politics to be shit. Some of us are quicker in that declaration than others, some of us are harsher in that declaration than others. You have, for a leftist, managed to get an impressively large amount of people on this site to declare your politics to be, at best, shit.

[CommunityBeliever]

I haven't kept up with all the threads, but can I please get some quotes from Azula that are points of contention, e.g ones that advocate "killing"?

[Jazzratt]

None cuz he was a man duh Careful there, you're straying toward dickery.


I haven't kept up with all the threads, but can I please get some quotes from Azula that are points of contention, e.g ones that advocate "killing"? If you go to her profile you can find a full list of her posts and threads, read them to your hearts content. Alternatively, should you not feel like being violently ill everywhere you could not do that.

[black magick hustla]

i dont see what is so special about her there is a whole forum dedicated to weirdos like her (thefora). does the fora exist anymore, idk if its dead.

[Jazzratt]

i dont see what is so special about her there is a whole forum dedicated to weirdos like her (thefora). does the fora exist anymore, idk if its dead. It's alive (http://www.thephora.net/forum/index.php) and, for want of a better term, "well."

[Azula]

I thank those who have supported me in PM's and here. It is warming that there does exist a minority of sensible people who don't invoke Godwin's law or call me slur words.

I will stay for your sake. You are true comrades.

[Rooster]

ya petukh

[Azula]

I am not trolling or trying to hurt anyone here. I have in fact been very nice in comparison to how I would have acted in the real world when treated like this.

[PhoenixAsh]

Well...thats fucking disappointing news.



edit: But very interesting to know that people support a user who advocates a policy aimed at illiciting horrible violence towards women... Fucking nutjobs.

edit2: Azula wanted to change the laws....why did she want to do that?


Laws could change the attitudes by:

A) Empowering those who are oppressed.

B) Disempowering the oppressors, preventing them from expressing their reactionary thoughts.

C) Provoking the oppressors to violence, thus heightening the class tensions and radicalising the oppressed masses.

What did she mean by this??



A) That depends on whether the laws are instituted due to heavy lobbyism from progressive groups or not.

B) Look in the Feminism group or in Opposing Ideologies. Have started a thread there where i explore these thoughts.

C) If male chauvinists are acting more aggressive due to their threatened privileges, they could conduct acts of desperation which would bring more women to radical conclusions.

Azula thinks this is a good thing.

[Azula]

It is of course not a good thing, but if our enemies are tricked into committing violent acts against the public, they will alienate themselves from the masses and strengthen the progressive forces.

It is not necessarily "good" or "bad".

Just take the Utoya massacre as an example. It was a horrible, horrible thing. But it increased the support of the parliamentary left. Likewise, the assassination of Pim Fortuyn was the catalyst which gave his party successes in that year's Dutch elections.

[Thirsty Crow]

Also, let's take a look at OP's contribution to the debates.

I think this example is illustrative:



In Stalinist Russia, the oppression was to protect the ruling elite, the ruling party and Stalin from anyone and anything that would destroy or threaten their personal power, including oppressing huge sections of the working class themselves.


To which OP responds with this:



Wrong.



The conclusion would be that OP's contribution to debate is insignificant, and that maybe it even hampers constructive debate.

Also, there's the example of a wonderful thread on "anti-intellectualism" in Theory, a sub-forum designed for "in depth discussion of Marxism, communism, anarchism" in which mere slogans are being juggled with and quasi-poetic musings randomly thrown around.

All in all, I'd advise you to hang around and read some posts and threads without going into a posting frenzy which does not add to the overall level of discussion on this board.

EDIT: to illustrate the point about the ridiculous thread in Theory:



We must trash down the intellectualist garbage and reach down to our instincts, liberate ourselves from our shackles of bourgeois civility and become one with our animal nature in order to be able to lead the masses in overthrowing the state.Becoming one with an "animal nature" is now a prerequisite for communism?



Anti-intellectualism is superior to intellectualism in the actual, material struggle. If you are trying to see everything from everyone's perspective, you will negate yourself and become a non-entity.

So by employing a multi-perspectivist viewpoint, one will vanish into thin air?

And illustrating the point with regard to the overall "style" of debate: 75 posts on average per day. That's quite ridiculous, and quite indicative in fact.

[Azula]

How should I even answer this?

Woe me if I do. Woe me if I don't.

If I write long posts, they are somehow wrong. If I write short posts, I am a spammer.

[Thirsty Crow]

How should I even answer this?

Woe me if I do. Woe me if I don't.

If I write long posts, they are somehow wrong. If I write short posts, I am a spammer.
Maybe you should try practicing self-criticism that you advocate with respect to the internal workings of the party.

Also, I didn't highlight the lenght itself, in relation to "anti-intellectualism" as the problem, so as usual, you're beating a straw man here.

[PhoenixAsh]

It is of course not a good thing, but if our enemies are tricked into committing violent acts against the public, they will alienate themselves from the masses and strengthen the progressive forces.

It is not necessarily "good" or "bad".

Just take the Utoya massacre as an example. It was a horrible, horrible thing. But it increased the support of the parliamentary left. Likewise, the assassination of Pim Fortuyn was the catalyst which gave his party successes in that year's Dutch elections.


Again...note that she is advocating a policy aimed at specifically eliciting violence against women and the working class.

[Azula]

Maybe you should try practicing self-criticism that you advocate with respect to the internal workings of the party.

Also, I didn't highlight the lenght itself, in relation to "anti-intellectualism" as the problem, so as usual, you're beating a straw man here.

And what is the problem of Anti-intellectualism? You haven't addressed that. The revolution is not a tea party, but an actual life and death struggle with the reactionaries.

[Tim Cornelis]

Why don't you leave already?

You are not saying that aggression of the oppressors against women and the working class is "horrible", you are explicitly saying that they should be TRICKED (i.e. provoked by "us") into committing such atrocities.

(I wish this forum had a "sage" option so I wouldn't bump this thread)

[Azula]

Why don't you leave already?

You are not saying that aggression of the oppressors against women and the working class is "horrible", you are explicitly saying that they should be TRICKED (i.e. provoked by "us") into committing such atrocities.

(I wish this forum had a "sage" option so I wouldn't bump this thread)

The revolution is not a tea party.

By making our enemies act counter-productively, we will in fact save lives, since they then cannot come to power and implement their reactionary politics.

[Magón]

And what is the problem of Anti-intellectualism? You haven't addressed that. The revolution is not a tea party, but an actual life and death struggle with the reactionaries.

I just have one question, because you seem to always be talking life and death, we have to kill this, we have to kill that, and what not, so I'm just curious: Have you actually ever killed anything outside a bug or insect?

[28350]

Azula what's your favorite marx text?

[Azula]

Azula what's your favorite marx text?


http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

[Azula]

I just have one question, because you seem to always be talking life and death, we have to kill this, we have to kill that, and what not, so I'm just curious: Have you actually ever killed anything outside a bug or insect?

No, do I look like an idiot?

When I was 6 years old, I wrecked a bird's nest. That was a foolish thing to do I admit it today.

I also smacked a hammer in the head of another girl once in pre-school, but she deserved it. And they should not have hammers laying around in pre-schools anyway.

Otherwise I am a peaceful person.

[Jazzratt]

The revolution is not a tea party. Why is that the one quote I can always rely on a certain kind of bellend to trot out? Key-rist, shit gets old.


No, do I look like an idiot?

When I was 6 years old, I wrecked a bird's nest. That was a foolish thing to do I admit it today.

I also smacked a hammer in the head of another girl once in pre-school, but she deserved it. And they should not have hammers laying around in pre-schools anyway.

Otherwise I am a peaceful person. If you're such a peacful person why do you advocate that others commit violence in the name of your ideology? Is it just plain hypocrisy?

[Azula]

Don't expect me to be peaceful in a revolutionary situation.

[thesadmafioso]

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

Please tell me I am not the only one who was brought to laughter by the sheer irony of this.

I have to ask, but did you actually read the contents of the Manifesto?

Here are just a few quotes which clash with your apparent idea of the vanguard party existing in a vacuum deprived of any interaction with or support from the working class. Marx would certainly of taken a great deal of issue with your contempt for the proletarian, if this referenced text isn't apparent enough in displaying such.


The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties.


They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole.

You will note the clear intent displayed here in Marx's vision of the party which shows his thought depicting this organ as one which is intertwined with the working class.


The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

Marx refers to the conquest of political power by the Communist party, not of military dominance or intimidation through quasi fascist paramilitary groups.

These are just a few examples to stoop out to me, you could honestly come up with a list much longer than this using quotes from just this document, but I think the picture to be clear enough as it stands.

[Azula]

Today, there are few genuine Communist parties. A true Communist Party represents the working class as a whole in terms of their objective interests.

[thesadmafioso]

Don't expect me to be peaceful in a revolutionary situation.

I seriously hope that you never end up anywhere near a revolutionary situation on the same side of the barricades as I.

[thesadmafioso]

Today, there are few genuine Communist parties. A true Communist Party represents the working class as a whole in terms of their objective interests.

And I presume that is something which you will decide for them, correct? After all, the working class is neutral and apathetic, right?

I have made this point previously, but the proletarian does not need a condescending psychopath with a taste for militaristic violence to lead it to revolution. I would direct you to the excerpts I provided you with of The Communist Manifest, it would do you well to give them a proper reading.

[Azula]

I seriously hope that you never end up anywhere near a revolutionary situation on the same side of the barricades as I.

I suspect you will need me.

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.

They followed me without question until the teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me instead. It was of course wrong of me, but I was just a kid.

Then in team sports, I am often chosen as the team leader because of my leadership skills.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.

[StoneFrog]

I'm feeling an air of Blanquism.

[#FF0000]

yeah i disagree with azula a ton but i love the whole "lol ur crazy" thing.

no actually you are fucking stupid if you pull that.

(but seriously azula stop bein silly)

[thesadmafioso]

I suspect you will need me.

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.

They followed me without question until the teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me instead. It was of course wrong of me, but I was just a kid.

Then in team sports, I am often chosen as the team leader because of my leadership skills.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.

You have nothing of a positive nature to add to the class struggle of the proletarian. Thus far, I have seen not a single post of yours which denotes a true loyalty to the class interests of the working class or respect for such, rather I have witnessed a scornful torrent of disdain for the proletarian and their revolutionary capacity. Revolutionary leadership has value, psychotic violence, no matter how well organized it is, has none.

I do not believe you to be a leftist, I suspect you of being a fascist in many regards, and if you are completely unwilling to listen to any thought which contradicts with your own then you really don't have an attitude which belongs on the political left. I normally wouldn't have an issue with a fellow leftist who is committed to their principles, but given the undeveloped, crude, and outright reaction in yours, I have to take issue with your stubbornness and inability to listen to arguments presented against your positions.

[Gustav HK]

If you're such a peacful person why do you advocate that others commit violence in the name of your ideology? Is it just plain hypocrisy?

Doesn´t the majority here advocate violence?

So are they all violent in their daily lives or hypocrites?

[Jazzratt]

Doesn´t the majority here advocate violence?

So are they all violent in their daily lives or hypocrites? There's advocating necessary violence and there's revelling in bloodshed and coming out with shit like:

Torquemada was a reactionary not for his methods, but for his aims. .

[thesadmafioso]

Doesn´t the majority here advocate violence?

So are they all violent in their daily lives or hypocrites?

I am fairly sure that the majority here has not advocated violence on the scale being discussed by the poster in question, save for the more stolid Stalinists and Hoxhaists among our ranks.

[Kamos]

I suspect you will need me.

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.

They followed me without question until the teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me instead. It was of course wrong of me, but I was just a kid.

Then in team sports, I am often chosen as the team leader because of my leadership skills.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.

It's official, Azula is a troll.

[agnixie]

I suspect you will need me.

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.

They followed me without question until the teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me instead. It was of course wrong of me, but I was just a kid.

Then in team sports, I am often chosen as the team leader because of my leadership skills.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.

Cool Story, Comrade Mary Sue.

[Magón]

No, do I look like an idiot?

Simply put: Yes.


When I was 6 years old, I wrecked a bird's nest. That was a foolish thing to do I admit it today.

I also smacked a hammer in the head of another girl once in pre-school, but she deserved it. And they should not have hammers laying around in pre-schools anyway.

Otherwise I am a peaceful person.

So you've never actually picked up a rifle say, and gone out into the woods or wherever, hunting deer and things. Yet you're all for killing a person, when you've never actually had to gut an animal you've just killed, or had that experience of killing something.

Talk to me about being a tough killer when you've actually killed something and gone deep into it, cutting out it's liver and other guts.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Talk to me about being a tough killer when you've actually killed something and gone deep into it, cutting out it's liver and other guts.......So what's it like?

[Magón]

......So what's it like?

Smelly and gross, and you'll probably vomit up a lung/breakfast the first couple times you do it, or see someone cut an animal open like that. But after some time you get used to it.

[Nox]

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.


teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me.

Bullshit alert!

[o well this is ok I guess]

Smelly and gross, and you'll probably vomit up a lung/breakfast the first couple times you do it, or see someone cut an animal open like that. But after some time you get used to it. No I'm not particularly worried about that I gut small game all the time.
But what's it like doing, you know, the big stuff? Not in terms of how disgusting it is or anything, but how you go about doing it.

[PhoenixAsh]

So yes....your revolutionary theories developed from your experiences as a highschool bully.

Which does explain why they developed in scale and not in maturity. You have never grown out of the stage of your wish and habit of enslaving others and dominating them.

Quelle surprise.... :rolleyes:

[Who?]

I think I'm going to sit this one out.

[Agent Equality]

Dear Azula,

Please stop making shit-threads already and just go. Its quite obvious you are not a leftist and do not care for the working class at all, and probably do not really care for anyone else other than yourself. The left is no place for bullies like yourself. Go back to the right where I'm sure you came from, they love strong and dominating leaders like you over there. You need to A.) grow up B.) get medical help and C.) gtfo and don't come back till your mentally and emotionally sane.

Zuko was always better than you anyways :glare:

[28350]

I suspect you will need me.
None of the members of this forum are necessary for proletarian revolution.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.
Are you working class?

[Magón]

No I'm not particularly worried about that I gut small game all the time.
But what's it like doing, you know, the big stuff? Not in terms of how disgusting it is or anything, but how you go about doing it.

I just follow the basic rules since I'm not that avid of a hunter, and don't have any fancy way. First I cut out the intestines, bladder, etc. so shit and piss doesn't get out onto the meat, cut out the genitals too, then cut the deer or whatever it might be, open some more so I can get to the rest as I cut up towards the animals head.

[¿Que?]

Maybe we could do some evaluative research on bourgeois violent repression and leftist attitudes in the general population. I suggest we get a random sample of say 150 or more would do. We ask them some general questions like what are their views of private property or whatever, something that will give an indication of positive or negative leftist views. Then we try to provoke the reactionaries into some violence. Then we take a follow up sample with preferably the same people, at least the ones that are still alive. We then compare the before and after questionnaire and run some regression statistics or whatever, to control for other variables.

And that's how we settle the matter. If the tests show a positive effect of bourgeois repression on leftist attitudes then Azula is correct and we all eat our words. Otherwise, we ban Azula.

Who's with me?

EDIT: Maybe we could get a grant from the NSF?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

When the revolution happens, Azula will probably betray it because she didn't become the glorious leader of it.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

No, do I look like an idiot?
Yes.

When I was 6 years old, I wrecked a bird's nest. That was a foolish thing to do I admit it today.Your mentality for violence doesn't surpass someone who is 6 years old.

Don't expect me to be peaceful in a revolutionary situation.
You're just as bad as those people who feel the need to pursue a "career" in only the military, police, armed forces, etc. Stop acting like you have a wild trigger finger.

I suspect you will need me.
hahahahahahahaha

In my first year in primary school, I made myself the leader of my class. I organised a group of girls and boys around myself and pointed out which kids were "slaves" and had to serve us and give us money.

They followed me without question until the teachers intervened and made the other kids gang up on me instead. It was of course wrong of me, but I was just a kid.
If you're going to make up stories on the internet, make it believable. Wow, that little fairy-tale made me cringe, you are terrible at this.

Then in team sports, I am often chosen as the team leader because of my leadership skills.No.care.ever. I'm well aware I'll be lined up against the wall for this comment once the revolution happens and you'll be our glorious leader.

I believe I have lots to offer to the struggle.Bzzzzt. Care to try again?

[Rusty Shackleford]

:closedeyes:

[Os Cangaceiros]

So you've never actually picked up a rifle say, and gone out into the woods or wherever, hunting deer and things. Yet you're all for killing a person, when you've never actually had to gut an animal you've just killed, or had that experience of killing something.

Talk to me about being a tough killer when you've actually killed something and gone deep into it, cutting out it's liver and other guts.

I've done that a bunch!

I don't want to kill people, though. :(

[citizen of industry]

It's a tough world for youth these days. And getting tougher - look at the recent events in England. I'm not surprised that someone like Azula would make statements like that, given the frustration and lack of future a lot of young people have today. Working-class pride is being replaced by working-class rage.

But Azula, be very careful with violence. I'm not a pacifist. But once you go down that road you don't know where you are going to end up. A revolution may indeed turn out to be a bloody thing, but we cannot desire that. If it happens, we must deal with it. But that's it. And there's no turning back. You don't know what you might become, even if you live.

[Azula]

I am sorry for my latest post yesterday. I was provoked and I burst out, which is unacceptable.

I still think I have a lot of offer, due to my experience of leadership. I am a very domineering person.

[Invader Zim]

Rather than leaving the decision to Azula who, if we are unlucky might actually stay, can one of the admin's just stick her in OI where she belongs or better yet start loading the ban cannon.



I still think I have a lot of offer, due to my experience of leadership. I am a very domineering person.

I wouldn't follow you even if you were going to a land of free whisky and limitless excess.

[Azula]

I am not even sure I understand where I have done it wrong...

[StoneFrog]

I got some questions i was wondering about for you Azula.

-How do you propose to ensure that an Authoritarian state which you have proposed to defend the revolution, will be able to move into the final stage of communism?

-With your regards to leadership and "gold few" making up the vanguard what is the difference if any to Blanquism?

[PhoenixAsh]

I am not even sure I understand where I have done it wrong...

Really? Because quite a few people have been pointing it out to you.

So what exactly don't you understand?

[thesadmafioso]

I am not even sure I understand where I have done it wrong...

Herein lies the problem, I suppose.

You have been posting here to a great enough multitude to of been given more than enough instances to realize the issues which we have with your politics. I know that I have tried pointing these out to you on multiple occasions as well. This is simply not an excuse, it's only adding to the issue here really.

[Aspiring Humanist]

No wonder the left is in such a miserable state...its members are fucking crybabys who turn around and say we should murder everyone who disagrees with us
I'm all for violent revolution but you're sounding like a troll


And that quip about the evidence for fascists being mentally disabled is how low income their communities are made me physically ill...not a cop, just a nazi.

[Thirsty Crow]

I am not even sure I understand where I have done it wrong...
Because you equate leadership with domineering, and base your self assessment on how you bullied a bunch of kids into handing you their lunch money or whatever (in fact, it's entirely irrelevant whether this story is true; you bringing it up here is indicative of either you being a troll or you being...a person who craves domination over others).

No, really, I'd advise all people apart from Azula to place her on the ignore list.

[Magón]

I am sorry for my latest post yesterday. I was provoked and I burst out, which is unacceptable.

I still think I have a lot of offer, due to my experience of leadership. I am a very domineering person.

Do you understand the definition of what the word "domineering" means?

1. dom·i·neer·ing   [dom-uh-neer-ing]
adjective
inclined to rule arbitrarily or despotically; overbearing; tyrannical: domineering parents.

2. domineering
adjective
a domineering father and a meek mother had turned her against the idea of marriage: overbearing, authoritarian, imperious, high-handed, autocratic; masterful, dictatorial, despotic, oppressive, iron-fisted, strict, harsh, bossy.


You've got nothing to offer if you act in such a way.

[Le Libérer]

I am sorry for my latest post yesterday. I was provoked and I burst out, which is unacceptable.

I still think I have a lot of offer, due to my experience of leadership. I am a very domineering person.

Troll.


You've got nothing to offer if you act in such a way.Exactly my sentiments. This user is too much of a liability to this board, advocating mass murder, led by herself of course.



I think you have had your fun here. You got away with it for quite sometime.

Good night and good bye.

Azula is now banned.