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Ballyfornia
21st August 2011, 01:30
If an Anarchist system comes into place. What is going to stop capitalism? How does abolishing the state stop capitalism?

syndicat
21st August 2011, 01:35
capitalism can't exist without the state. in any event, anarchism isn't just against the state but all forms of oppression including the class system. so it advocates mass worker movements that take over the mans of production for example. in other words, it is a form of socialism. the state itself can't be replaced with a form of governance based on direct democracy without a mass movement of the oppressed & exploited that does away with the domination of workers by bosses.

PhoenixAsh
21st August 2011, 01:48
An anarchist system does not only abolish the state. It abolishes the whole set of institutions which promote capitalism and private property and instead introduces a system of self management and shared, common, ownership based on participatory communities and mutual aid.

If anybody threatens this direct action, organisation and mutual aid and workers militia (if necessary) will be used to stop the threat.

Blackburn
21st August 2011, 09:38
Capitalism requires police to enforce property rights and an army to go to war.

Capitalism has yet to exist fully in a vacuum without Imperialist wars.

Sugarnotch
21st August 2011, 10:09
As people have said, capitalism necessitates the state. Due away with capital and a state is no longer necessary. Indeed, a state is detrimental to class struggle; why would should workers keep a structure so similar to capitalism after they take control of production and distribution?

No_Leaders
21st August 2011, 19:07
Capitalism and The State go hand in hand. Capitalism cannot exist without The State. (Police force to protect private property etc.)

ZeroNowhere
21st August 2011, 20:35
As people have said, capitalism necessitates the state. Due away with capital and a state is no longer necessary. Indeed, a state is detrimental to class struggle; why would should workers keep a structure so similar to capitalism after they take control of production and distribution?
Because they don't have a choice, inasmuch as they are the working class.

In any case, one common response to this in anarchist circles is that anarchism doesn't refer simply to the abolition of the state, but to the abolition of all hierarchy (or the denunciation of 'unjust hierarchy', according to some, although that seems somewhat circular), in other words a universal moral principle of anti-authoritarianism. The general deduction from this is that, as the capitalist exerts a hierarchy over the workers, the hierarchical role of the capitalist must be abolished. This means that anarchism excludes what is known as 'anarcho-capitalism', although it can be compatible with a 'mutualist' or Proudhonian scheme involving a market and generalized commodity production made up of 'non-hierarchical' co-operatives organized 'from bottom to top', etc., which Marxists would still label as capitalism.

Of course, while voluntarism is quite popular in anarchist circles, nonetheless voluntarism is quite prevalent in most leftist circles, so they can't really be blamed for not having a concrete answer when it comes to how capitalism will end per se. Anarchism is generally something based on a shared morality, rather than any particular analysis of the current economic situation, so there's not going to be any single anarchist answer to how capitalism is to end, for example an analysis of its internal contradictions and so on.

Comrade_Stalin
22nd August 2011, 03:28
Capitalism requires police to enforce property rights and an army to go to war.

Capitalism has yet to exist fully in a vacuum without Imperialist wars.

Note that the lose of a state, with it police force and amry, does not stop the capitalist from just hiring there own. Which they can then use to protect there property rights. So no Anarchism by it self does not stop capitalism. It need a left wing to do that. Right now there are a number of anti-state, pro-capitalist groups out there. Look at the Tea Party with it a no goverment, yes business platform.

Zav
22nd August 2011, 03:43
Note that the lose of a state, with it police force and amry, does not stop the capitalist from just hiring there own. Which they can then use to protect there property rights. So no Anarchism by it self does not stop capitalism. It need a left wing to do that. Right now there are a number of anti-state, pro-capitalist groups out there. Look at the Tea Party with it a no goverment, yes business platform.
As has been said, Anarchism is not merely the opposition of the State, because it is an opposition to all forms of hierarchy. Capitalism and Anarchy are incompatible, and thus Capitalists wouldn't be able to hire any one to to the fact that hierarchy is abolished. Right-wing libertarianism is silly. They do not oppose Statism. The only oppose a State of which they are not in control. Philosophies such as "Anarcho"-Capitalism only seek to serve the wealthy, and have nothing to do with actual Anarchism.