Diversity

[Anarchist Freedom]

lately ive noticed the local school talking about diversity which i totally embrace but they maxx it out. In essence there teaching our kids that since your asian you were a straw hat and Pick rice and since your black you eat chicken and listen to rap music they have gone soo far that it almost seems to be racist and i know its in good heart but we cant be that fuckin nutz can we? Seriosuly and this shit is coming from the left side its teaching steryotypical things into our children.


as my teacher said the extreme left sometimes may seem the same as the extreme right and he is true


sorry for bashing and being an ass but this is just kinda wrong


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[Urban Rubble]

I've requested this of you before: If you would add some periods and slow down a little, maybe we could understand what they fuck it is that you are trying to say.

[redstar2000]

It seems hard to believe that what you're describing can really be happening...but if it is, then I agree with you--it is racist.

Ask this teacher what s/he is trying to demonstrate? That "all blacks" like rap, "all asians" like rice, etc.?

I know there are efforts to promote appreciation of different ethnic cultures (mostly historical)...and I'm inclined to see nothing wrong with that per se.

But any suggestion that "all members" of that particular culture "always do this" and "never do that" is just dumb.

Would you believe that there were southern white people who couldn't stand Elvis Presley? :lol:

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[elijahcraig]

I'm not exactly clear on what...

What rubble said.

[apathy maybe]

I think that everyone should eat what ever they want no matter what their "race" (which is itself a socilogical concept that holds no basis in science).

If someone says that since a person is Asian they eat rice, they are stupid as well as racist. Asia is a big place and not all countries even grow rice as a staple.

[elijahcraig]

Are races not founded in science?

Do you have an article or link for that?

I would probably agree, I am just not familiar with the details.

[apathy maybe]

If I show you a person who has a black father and a white mother, which race does that person belong to?

That is why the idea is stupid. But no I have no websites.

[elijahcraig]

They are a mix of black and white.

[Urban Rubble]

Race is not just a sociological concept, although race has been dilluted to the point where it is almost impossible to determine what race someone is.

Take my girlfriend, (please, hahaha) she is primarily Cambodian, but she also has some Chinese and some African (her skin is actually darker than most "black" guys I know). So what is she ? She calls herself Cambodian, but she is really a few different "races".

Actually, now that I think about it, take me for example. I am an amalgamation of about 5 different "races". I have no idea what to call myself. Let's just say Irish, because that's the coolest one.

[elijahcraig]

We ourselves!

Irish have Joyce, I have some Irish in me, But I'd say German in end because that is the most I have in me.

[apathy maybe]

As you can see races are the same as nationalism. Nations are a socialiogical creation and so are races. They are just ways to divide people.

[elijahcraig]

Races existed before nations, and independent of them.

The Habiru were the race that later became known as the Israelites, they are the same race, just now a "nation".

[Urban Rubble]

As you can see races are the same as nationalism

Uhhh, no, they aren't. You'll have to explain that one to me.


Nations are a socialiogical creation and so are races. They are just ways to divide people.

So let me ask you, how do you explain the obvious differences between different people ? Example: People of African descent generally have dark skin, bigger nostrils, bigger lips and wiry hair. How do you explain these differences ?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Urban Rubble i like the whole nazi thing in your signature thats from a Anti Flag song


well anyways the whole diversity thing is being steriotyical its saying that we have to respect everyone which i agree. but its saying that since your black you act this way its molding them to be something they may not want to be. some of these kids act this way because society tells them 2 but at heart they dont want to.


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[Anarchist Freedom]

ohh since i go to a catholic school we dont have diversity week

but in public schools near me that my little bros go to they embrace diversity for a week


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diversity week

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Just because you have a big nose or frizzy hair or dark skin does not mean you need to segregate yourself into a community made up of people with big noses, frizzy hair, or dark skin. There is no reason this should be an issue, no matter what race you are, you can live with everyone else.

[Rastafari]

Would you believe that there were southern white people who couldn't stand Elvis Presley?

Say it ain't so!

[apathy maybe]

The idea of a race is to seperate people into groups. Those from Africa are one race and those from Europe another.
The problem comes when you try and say which race a person is who has a black parent and a white parent. Not obviously they are not black, for they are half white. Nor are they white for the same reason. So they must be a half-caste. Good now we have three races. But wait what if this person has a child with a fully white person? Never mind we can have a quarter-caste race as well. Sooner or later there comes a point when you don't know which race a person is. It would be fine if the different 'races' didn't interbred but they do.

Now lets go with the genetic view. 'Cause differnet humans (including male/female) share about 97 or higher percent of their genes it seems pointless to say that there are different races. Just 'cause someone looks different doesn't mean a thing. Lets pretend that you meet someone who has dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin. You assume that they are black (for what ever reason), and when you mentian something about Martian Luther King, you suddenly find out that, the person is from Norway and just happened to have a father with dark hair and eyes. And they went and got a tan which is why their skin is brown.

[Urban Rubble]

Just because you have a big nose or frizzy hair or dark skin does not mean you need to segregate yourself into a community made up of people with big noses, frizzy hair, or dark skin. There is no reason this should be an issue, no matter what race you are, you can live with everyone else.

Obviously. I don't think anyone is saying that different races should be segregated, we're debating on whether race is a real thing or not. Of course we can all live together.


The idea of a race is to seperate people into groups. Those from Africa are one race and those from Europe another.
The problem comes when you try and say which race a person is who has a black parent and a white parent. Not obviously they are not black, for they are half white. Nor are they white for the same reason. So they must be a half-caste. Good now we have three races. But wait what if this person has a child with a fully white person? Never mind we can have a quarter-caste race as well. Sooner or later there comes a point when you don't know which race a person is. It would be fine if the different 'races' didn't interbred but they do.

I've already addressed this. Race can become dilluted. It is possible for someone to be more than one race, in fact, almost everyone is. The question shouldn't be "Is race real ?" it should be "Is there anyway to differentiate now that they are so intertwined". There are still people who are fully African, there are still people who are fully Japanese. Just because it has become dilluted does not mean that race is not, or has never been a real thing.

You dodged my question, how do you explain the differences between blacks and whites if there is no such thing as race ?


Now lets go with the genetic view. 'Cause differnet humans (including male/female) share about 97 or higher percent of their genes it seems pointless to say that there are different races. Just 'cause someone looks different doesn't mean a thing. Lets pretend that you meet someone who has dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin. You assume that they are black (for what ever reason), and when you mentian something about Martian Luther King, you suddenly find out that, the person is from Norway and just happened to have a father with dark hair and eyes. And they went and got a tan which is why their skin is brown.

That is a ridiculous argument. I have never met anyone who is so stupid that they couldn't tell between a really tanned white guy and a black guy. That makes no sense.Also, why would you mention something about Martin Luther King to a black guy ? Why would this let you know that he isn't black ? Are you really that much of a racist that you think mentioning something about Martin Luther King will determine whether someone is white or black ?

If you can't tell between a really tanned white person and a black person, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

[elijahcraig]

Rubble rubble agenwit, I agree completely.

Apathy, that was indeed a stupid and racist scenario.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 21 2003, 07:44 PM
lately ive noticed the local school talking about diversity which i totally embrace but they maxx it out. In essence there teaching our kids that since your asian you were a straw hat and Pick rice and since your black you eat chicken and listen to rap music they have gone soo far that it almost seems to be racist and i know its in good heart but we cant be that fuckin nutz can we? Seriosuly and this shit is coming from the left side its teaching steryotypical things into our children.


as my teacher said the extreme left sometimes may seem the same as the extreme right and he is true


sorry for bashing and being an ass but this is just kinda wrong


:che:
Well you can ask and let the students respect their roots but than in their own special way. You can hardly ask them just because they are black they gonna use the slang of rappers and dress like them. Everyone has to decide for themselves how they can be diverse and how they want it to show the world. And I am glad your school respects that, but they shouldn't push their students to being diverse. If they want to be casual, let them be. About your statement of extreme left and extreme right, the only real similarties I between them is the fact they are both rather extreme (ok that was dumb to say) and often tend to use violence. This is no way a protest against those ideologies but every extreme believe tends to use violence since they are willing to go to the end for their believes and if they want to do that, I don't really aprove but it is their choice ...

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 12:49 PM
Rubble rubble agenwit, I agree completely.

Apathy, that was indeed a stupid and racist scenario.
The example was supposed to be just that. It wasn't meant to be racist at all. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Here is a pile of stuff I grab of the web. There are a couple of links at the bottom.

By "race," they mean "group of people sharing certain physical traits because they descend primarily from a distinct prehistoric population." Unfortunately, this definition of "race" doesn't fit common usage. It puts Indians and Irish into the same "race." It divides "Hispanics" up into biologically distinct groups. But Irish are socially distinct from Indians, and it suits Hispanics in the US to consider themselves as a single group. The biologically tenable definition of race is far enough from common usage that it only confuses the issue to call it "race."

"Ethnicity" is a better idea
Ethnicity is understood to be social rather than misunderstood to be genetic. It is historic rather than prehistoric. It is specific rather than general. It is mutable rather than understood to be inherent.

Aborigines are often bracketed with sub-Saharan Africans as a 'black' race. Racial scientists have often argued that Australian Aborigines and black African are the two most primitive races in the world. Since Freeman's rise to prominence, there has been much speculation that Aborigines, like black Africans, are natural athletes. Genetically, however, there is no population in the world more distinct from those of sub-Saharan Africa than Australian Aborigines.

The problem is, what constitutes a race might seem obvious to most people, but race doesn't mean much from a biological standpoint.
Genetically speaking, nothing differentiates one race from another. All humans share the same set of genes. There is no African gene, no Caucasian gene, no Asian gene.
Certainly, genetic differences exist and even small differences can have big effects; consider that animals as different as chimpanzees and humans share 99 percent of their genetic code.
And even among humans, genetic variations obviously exist between individuals. Some genes are expressed, or "turned on," in some people and not in others. Some genes tend to develop mutations, which may alter body functioning or physical appearance, and these mutations get passed on to offspring.

http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/...hgene0507p3.asp (http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20020507hgene0507p3.asp)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race