Bank of America Tells Rick Perry... "We will help you out"

[Che a chara]

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Probably not much of a surprise, but it'll be interesting to see how this is spinned from the BoA and the Republican camp

[xub3rn00dlex]

So they just cut 3500 jobs, are seeking to cut up to 10000, and will help him out? One jackass millionaire needs help? Not 10000 unemployed?

[Che a chara]

So they just cut 3500 jobs, are seeking to cut up to 10000, and will help him out? One jackass millionaire needs help? Not 10000 unemployed?

Indeed. I wonder how many hungry mouths can be fed and how many homeless can be sheltered with this "help". It's a disgrace. The whole election is a farce. How many millions of dollars from both sides will be squandered in campaigning and advertising (a legal form of buying votes and extortion and bribing/blackmailing) while there are millions living in poverty ?

Fucking nationalise the BoA.

[CHE with an AK]

hungry mouths can be fed
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[Ocean Seal]

But if we don't let them donate millions, then we'd be limiting their freedom of speech. I mean what would our founding fathers do in this crisis. Would they listen to an abstract concept or would they care about people? Well they were slaveowners... so I think we know the answer. All freedom to the ruling class.

[Tablo]

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Why do you keep posting so many images?

[Bostana]

They got jobs for proletariats so they could help this scum bag out

[CHE with an AK]

Why do you keep posting so many images?
Because I am a visual person who believes that images can capture, encapsulate, and express certain ideas that words can not. At least not as effectively.

Why do you keep posting so many words?

[Aspiring Humanist]

Bank of America sent a statement to HuffPost:

Bank of America does not endorse Presidential candidates. The reference was about following up on the substance of the speech about job creation and economic growth. Discussing policy issues that affect our company and our customers is something we do with policymakers of both parties routinely at the local, state, and Federal levels.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/19/rick-perry-bank-of-america_n_931605.html?ir=Business

Biggest bullshit line ever

[Tablo]

Because I am a visual person who believes that images can capture, encapsulate, and express certain ideas that words can not. At least not as effectively.

Why do you keep posting so many words?

Cause I'm a nerd.

[Blackburn]

It doesn't matter. Big deal, you've got actual evidence of the right being corrupt and working only for the rich.

The reactionaries don't care about facts, history, science or economics.

All they know is that a Black man is president.

Have we really thought these last few years have really been about the economy the Right wrecked?

The Repubs didn't win control of the senate because of their economic record.

A black man is president. Thus we have a Tea Party.

[RGacky3]

This does'nt suprise me at all, nor would it suprise me if they have another guy saying the same thing to Obama, this is the real American politics.

[DarkPast]

Guys, guys, you don't get it, do you? He needs that money. I mean, he's gotta feed his family champagne and caviar every day. He needs to pay those bills for his luxury mansion home. How's he gonna get to work without fuel for his limousine car? How else will he help those shady "business" people he supports?

Really, you really need to show more compassion.

[Judicator]

Indeed. I wonder how many hungry mouths can be fed and how many homeless can be sheltered with this "help". It's a disgrace. The whole election is a farce. How many millions of dollars from both sides will be squandered in campaigning and advertising (a legal form of buying votes and extortion and bribing/blackmailing) while there are millions living in poverty ?

Fucking nationalise the BoA.

Presumably campaign spending creates jobs...probably goes to ad firms, consultants, polling firms, and so on.

Why are you complaining that money which would otherwise sit in BofAs cash pile is now being spent? You're in love with gov't spending but hate private, job creating, spending?

[Che a chara]

Presumably campaign spending creates jobs...probably goes to ad firms, consultants, polling firms, and so on.

Why are you complaining that money which would otherwise sit in BofAs cash pile is now being spent? You're in love with gov't spending but hate private, job creating, spending?


It'll just give capitalists the opportunity to exploit workers and appropriate more surplus value. And yeah of course all this private held wealth will be spent on job creation and wealth distributuon and not be siphoned oversees or be spent on unneeded luxury items:rolleyes: What you're also failing to realise is that these vast sums of money can be put to far better use than what it will do, especially given the extreme circumstances the US economy is in.

[gendoikari]

Presumably campaign spending creates jobs...probably goes to ad firms, consultants, polling firms, and so on.

Why are you complaining that money which would otherwise sit in BofAs cash pile is now being spent? You're in love with gov't spending but hate private, job creating, spending?

you do realize this is the mechanism by which capitalism becomes fascism correct? big corporations being able to effectively buy off politicians?

[RGacky3]

Presumably campaign spending creates jobs...probably goes to ad firms, consultants, polling firms, and so on.

Why are you complaining that money which would otherwise sit in BofAs cash pile is now being spent? You're in love with gov't spending but hate private, job creating, spending?

Are you being serious?

[Azula]

This is absolutely disgusting. They seem to have limitless empathy for wealthy parasite slugs, but nothing else than contempt for the working people.

They should have molten gold poured down their throats.

[RGacky3]

They should have molten gold poured down their throats.

What an imagination.

Its not empathy, nor is it contempt, its investment and profits.

[Azula]

I think you are wrong there.

I know how capitalists and corrupt politicians work personally. They are often personal friends with one another.

One of my dad's friends is a local politician. His support was crucial to have the local energy company privatised.

Now he is the president of the company.

May I add that he is a social democrat.

Filth like that should be stomped on. They are lower than insects.

[RGacky3]

They are often personal friends with one another.


No shit they are, they work together, I'm friends with my workmates too.


One of my dad's friends is a local politician. His support was crucial to have the local energy company privatised.

Now he is the president of the company.

May I add that he is a social democrat.


YOu just proved my point, his privatizing the company was an investment, becuase he got paid back in the form of being president.


Filth like that should be stomped on. They are lower than insects.

Why don't you for once ditch the violent rhetoric and deal with things like a thinking person.

[Azula]

YOu just proved my point, his privatizing the company was an investment, becuase he got paid back in the form of being president.

That is not so simple. They tend to share similar values and outlook on life, and a lot of them really believes that life is so simple for everyone.


Why don't you for once ditch the violent rhetoric and deal with things like a thinking person.

Why don't you start feeling the hate against your oppressors?

[RGacky3]

That is not so simple. They tend to share similar values and outlook on life, and a lot of them really believes that life is so simple for everyone.


Yeah, sure, but thats not the underlying motivation, I thought you'd be a materialist ....


Why don't you start feeling the hate against your oppressors?

Because its stupid and counterproductive, I hate the system, and I fight against that, its people like you that do senseless and pointless acts of violence that do nothing to improve society and do nothing to bring about socialism or democracy, infact its people like you that end up killing socialism and democracy.

[gendoikari]

I know how capitalists and corrupt politicians work personally. They are often personal friends with one another.

One instance does not mean it happens often. Politicians and their fat cat cash cows often doen't even get to meet save for the banquet they go to. it's not a close net of a few friends, if that were the only problem rooting out corruption would be easy. However, it is a mechanism that allows the massing of such fortunes and the endless giving of cash to politicians that creates the faux democracy. The politicians know they need money to keep a campaign alive along with any hope of getting elected. They then pander to the special interests and the big corporations becuase if they scratch their back then the big corporations will scratch theirs, and the politician can get elected.

[Azula]

Yes, but the moral shortcomings of those involved need to be illuminated.

Preferably by a flame-thrower.

[gendoikari]

Yes, but the moral shortcomings of those involved need to be illuminated.

Preferably by a flame-thrower.

That's getting very close to saying torch the government as it's every single politician that is the problem.

[Azula]

That's getting very close to saying torch the government as it's every single politician that is the problem.

Yes. Don't you agree?

[gendoikari]

Yes. Don't you agree?

No, we cannot be the ones to fire the first shot. We must strive to bring the revolution as peacefully as possible and once they begin the bloodshed then we defend ourselves, but at all times the limiting of bloodshed should be our primary goal.

the side of public opinion will be on those that held off from violence. We need that public opinion.

[Azula]

No, we cannot be the ones to fire the first shot. We must strive to bring the revolution as peacefully as possible and once they begin the bloodshed then we defend ourselves, but at all times the limiting of bloodshed should be our primary goal.

the side of public opinion will be on those that held off from violence. We need that public opinion.

That is the wrong kind of thinking. If you don't strike them hard enough at your first chance, they will drag out the struggle. And they will not doubt.

We must strike as hard as we can while we have the chance.

The public opinion will be on the side which is more successful. Only bourgeois filth are appalled by dirt.

[RGacky3]

Yes, but the moral shortcomings of those involved need to be illuminated.

Preferably by a flame-thrower.

ahh, so the real problem is not the system, its just that the people in government have bad morals.

So the real thing to do is to burn them alive, and replace them with people with Good morals, like Stalin or Mao, that will fix it.

(in case you don't get it, I'm being sarcastic).


That is the wrong kind of thinking. If you don't strike them hard enough at your first chance, they will drag out the struggle. And they will not doubt.

We must strike as hard as we can while we have the chance.

The public opinion will be on the side which is more successful. Only bourgeois filth are appalled by dirt.

So the trick is to kill them all, btw, who is them? Considering your the daughter of a politician and a presidnet of a comapny, does that include you?

[gendoikari]

with what? 5% of the population.... do you seriously think the few socialists out there could even stage such a massive uprising? You get we are outnumbered at least 20:1 right? It would be the bloodbath you want but it would be us in the ditch. We need public opinion to get things done. and the goal of any real revolutionary is the betterment of the workingclass and that means as little bloodshed as possible.

[Azula]

ahh, so the real problem is not the system, its just that the people in government have bad morals.

So the real thing to do is to burn them alive, and replace them with people with Good morals, like Stalin or Mao, that will fix it.

I haven't said that. The system needs to be replaced, but we could still admit that the system rewards individuals with bad morality.

That politician is my dad's friend.

My dad is a capitalist and a windbag. I absolutely hate and despise him.

[Azula]

with what? 5% of the population.... do you seriously think the few socialists out there could even stage such a massive uprising? You get we are outnumbered at least 20:1 right? It would be the bloodbath you want but it would be us in the ditch. We need public opinion to get things done. and the goal of any real revolutionary is the betterment of the workingclass and that means as little bloodshed as possible.

Have you ever heard of the People's Liberation Army?

[gendoikari]

My dad is a capitalist and a windbag. I absolutely hate and despise him.

Do you just hate all men?


Have you ever heard of the People's Liberation Army?

again, here it's 20:1. Good luck, oh and most of the real socialists won't be helping you in your blood bath, as most of us like peace, but will stand up when it's called for. So you'd be looking more at odds of about 100:1. or 1000:1. Again, good luck doing anything.

[Azula]

Do you just hate all men?

No, just men (and women) who I have a reason to hate.

[Azula]

again, here it's 20:1. Good luck, oh and most of the real socialists won't be helping you in your blood bath, as most of us like peace, but will stand up when it's called for. So you'd be looking more at odds of about 100:1. or 1000:1. Again, good luck doing anything-

You need to attack peripheral targets first, for example rob the bank in a small town and then disappear out to the revolutionary HQ in order to plan more hit and run raids. Parts of the money could be distributed out to the poors, both in order to gain their sympathies and in order to make them accomplices in the crime.

Then, tactical alliances could be conducted with criminal syndicates in order to gain a foothold in the strategic suburbs which are surrounding cities.

[RED DAVE]

You need to attack peripheral targets first, for example rob the bank in a small town and then disappear out to the revolutionary HQ in order to plan more hit and run raids. Parts of the money could be distributed out to the poors, both in order to gain their sympathies and in order to make them accomplices in the crime.

Then, tactical alliances could be conducted with criminal syndicates in order to gain a foothold in the strategic suburbs which are surrounding cities.You are either a cop, a troll or crazy. Or really bad politics.

RED DAVE

[Azula]

More ad hominems.

[gendoikari]

You are either a cop, a troll or crazy. Or really bad politics.

RED DAVE

I'm still not convinced she isn't glen beck trying to illicit responses he can put on his shows.

[RGacky3]

for example rob the bank in a small town and then disappear out to the revolutionary HQ in order to plan more hit and run raids. Parts of the money could be distributed out to the poors, both in order to gain their sympathies and in order to make them accomplices in the crime.

Then, tactical alliances could be conducted with criminal syndicates in order to gain a foothold in the strategic suburbs which are surrounding cities.

When has that ever worked as a revolutionary strategy. Btw, Criminal syndicates? Have you ever been around gangsters?


I haven't said that. The system needs to be replaced, but we could still admit that the system rewards individuals with bad morality.


Its more complicated than that, anyway, really this seams like its more and more you have some mental problems, and you just and a sociopathic streak.


No, just men (and women) who I have a reason to hate.

You don't have a reason to hate anyone that has'nt done anything terrible to you personally.

[Che a chara]

you do realize this is the mechanism by which capitalism becomes fascism correct? big corporations being able to effectively buy off politicians?

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[Judicator]

It'll just give capitalists the opportunity to exploit workers and appropriate more surplus value. And yeah of course all this private held wealth will be spent on job creation and wealth distributuon and not be siphoned oversees or be spent on unneeded luxury items:rolleyes: What you're also failing to realise is that these vast sums of money can be put to far better use than what it will do, especially given the extreme circumstances the US economy is in.

What will? Hiring people? Surplus value appears to be just a synonym for the rental cost of capital, so it seems misleading to say employees of a firm are entitled to this.

Tons of luxury goods here (http://209.190.229.99/pres08/expend.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638). I'm sure "broadcast media" is really just fleets of yachts.

One of the benefits of living in a country with property rights is I can buy a house or a car without having to justify it to a board of bureaucrats.

[Susurrus]

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[Susurrus]

That is the wrong kind of thinking. If you don't strike them hard enough at your first chance, they will drag out the struggle. And they will not doubt.

We must strike as hard as we can while we have the chance.

The public opinion will be on the side which is more successful. Only bourgeois filth are appalled by dirt.

"The guerrilla fighter will be a sort of guiding angel who has fallen into the zone, helping the poor always and bothering the rich as little as possible in the first phases of the war. But this war will continue on it's course; contradictions will continuously become sharper; the moment will arrive when many of those who regarded the revolution with a certain sympathy at the outset will place themselves in a diametrically opposed position; and they will take the first step into battle against the popular forces."
Che Guevara

[Che a chara]

What will? Hiring people? Surplus value appears to be just a synonym for the rental cost of capital, so it seems misleading to say employees of a firm are entitled to this.

No, this is what is known as 'constant capital'. This is capital that the capitalist has already invested. Surplus value is what he has gained/profited that is not at all connected to his original investment -- it is the profit that was produced by the worker, of which the worker receives a less amount (in wages) of what he himself produced.


Tons of luxury goods here (http://209.190.229.99/pres08/expend.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638). I'm sure "broadcast media" is really just fleets of yachts.

What, do you want me to say that I support Obama and the Dems or something ? lol. The Republicans and the Democrats are 2 sides of the same coin.


One of the benefits of living in a country with property rights is I can buy a house or a car without having to justify it to a board of bureaucrats.

'Buy', by which you really mean rent, as they can be taken away from you when you don't keep up on payments, after all the wages you saved and spent on them. Ask your boss to give you a raise sure. Or even better, ask him to give you the profit that you actually made for him while he sat on his sweaty ass signing cheques, cutting wages and healthcare.

[Judicator]

No, this is what is known as 'constant capital'. This is capital that the capitalist has already invested. Surplus value is what he has gained/profited that is not at all connected to his original investment -- it is the profit that was produced by the worker, of which the worker receives a less amount (in wages) of what he himself produced.

Consider the following example:

Revenue: $500k
Wages: $200k
Depreciation: $100k
Interest Expense: $200k
No other costs/income

Here your surplus value is 0? If the capitalist then managed to boost revenue to $550k and just pocketed the $50k, this would be surplus value?


What, do you want me to say that I support Obama and the Dems or something ? lol. The Republicans and the Democrats are 2 sides of the same coin.

No, I want you to say that campaign spending isn't spend on luxury goods and foreign imports, like you seemed to think it was.



'Buy', by which you really mean rent, as they can be taken away from you when you don't keep up on payments, after all the wages you saved and spent on them. Ask your boss to give you a raise sure. Or even better, ask him to give you the profit that you actually made for him while he sat on his sweaty ass signing cheques, cutting wages and healthcare.


Lol @ buying a car with financing...

My boss doesn't own the company so he's just a salaried laborer like myself.