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tradeunionsupporter
17th August 2011, 05:24
I saw a video where George W. Bush says he is not for universal healthcare but he is for community health clinics for the Poor my question is why are community health clinics not enough why do we need universal healthcare I support universal healthcare but I just want to ask why having community health clinics is not enough are community health clinics funded by the Government or the State or by Charity thank you ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUiZIIHWbjg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUiZIIHWbjg&feature=related)
http://www.ontheissues.org/george_w__bush.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/george_w__bush.htm)
Absolutely opposed to a national health care plan
Q: Would you be open to the ideal of a national health care plan?
BUSH: I’m absolutely opposed to a national health care plan. I don’t want the federal government making decisions for consumers or for providers. I remember what the administration tried to do in 1993. They tried to have a national health care plan, and fortunately it failed. I trust people; I don’t trust the federal government. I don’t want the federal government making decisions on behalf of everybody.
Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000
$3.6B for 1,200 new community health centers
I support increasing the number of community health centers across America. Community health centers are community-owned, locally administered medical clinics where people can receive preventive care, free vaccine clinics, health alerts, disease screening, and counseling. They have become America’s health care safety net. Under my plan, we would provide $3.6 billion in federal money over a five-year period to create 1,200 new centers from coast to coast.
Source: USA Today editorial by Bush, page 16A Apr 13, 2000

Ask “are we getting health care?” not “are we uninsured?”There is an issue with the uninsured. There sure is. And we’ve got uninsured people in my state. But we’re providing health care for our people. One thing about insurance, that’s a Washington term. The question is, are people getting health care? And we’ve got a strong safety net. And there needs to be a safety net in America. There needs to be more community health clinics where the poor can go get health care. We need a program for the uninsured. They’ve been talking about it in Washington, D.C. The number of uninsured have now gone up for the past seven years.
We need a $2,000 credit, a rebate for working people who don’t have insurance, that they can use in the marketplace and start purchasing insurance. We need to allow small businesses to write insurance policies across jurisdictional lines so small business can afford health care. Health care needs to be affordable and available.
Source: St. Louis debate (http://www.thomhartmann.com/St_Louis_Debate.htm) Oct 17, 2000 http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Health_Care.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Health_Care.htm)

RGacky3
17th August 2011, 08:10
Its not enough because they are prupetually underfunded, always, and always get cut, universal healthcare is a (basically) permanent solution. Not only that but prices are still high and its not universal healthcare, the poor still have to pay, its just a cheaper version of private health care. Thats not a solution.

Look would I support what Bush did? Yeah, but its not nearly enough, A: Socialising only unproductive or net loss industries is a terrible policy. B: leaving health insurance overall a privat for profit affair is a disaster.

BTW, the more I look at it, it almost seams like Bush, on a domestic level, was slightly to the left of Obama, which is'nt a praise of bush its a condemnation of Obama, yet you have the idiot team-democrats still thinking he's a genius progressive negotiator.

tradeunionsupporter
18th August 2011, 08:02
Thank You for your answer.

RGacky3
18th August 2011, 08:04
Your welcome, thanks for being the politest person on the board :thumbup1:.

lonelywurm
18th August 2011, 09:49
Can a community health centre take a patient in need of a knee replacement from an initial diagnosis to specialists, surgeons, and outpatient support and even physiotherapy for either no or very little money at point of service, without any form of insurance beyond that provided by a state entity? If the answer is 'no', then a community health centre cannot hope to provide the same level of service that a full UHC system can.

Edit: to provide a more concise answer, the key difference between community health centres and a fully UHC system is the level of comprehensiveness provided. A network of such centres will never be as comprehensive in the services provided as a system of healthcare either run by the state or funded primarily by a government run health insurance scheme.

RGacky3
18th August 2011, 10:26
If the answer is 'no', then a community health centre cannot hope to provide the same level of service that a full UHC system can.


The answer is no.

lonelywurm
18th August 2011, 10:32
The answer is no.
I suspected as much, but as a Canadian, it's impossible to be certain. Thanks for the confirmation.