Joining the American Military

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

What is everyone's opinion of a communist joining the military? Not out of nationalism or patriotism, but out of economic necessity? Personally I feel that for me, joining the American military is the moral equivilant to becoming a prostitute, but is very difficult to get a job here, so I may be forced to. So what should I do, and what degree of loyalty do you think I should display upon joining, and what do I do in the event of war? Should I stay and become a spy? Also I am giving consideration to defecting to Cuba or going to volunteer my services for FARC, or perhaps fighting abroad for the revolution elsewhere like a true internationalist, assuming they allow foriegners, (I would imagine an American would be very suspicious). What are everyone's opinions of those options?

[Hawker]

Joining the US military is a good thing,because you can try and stop the attrocities commited by reckless soldiers and you can educate them to be civilized then acting like a bunch of hooligans when occupying a territory.But should you fight,then don't,it's pointless to fight for a country,but to fight for an idea,that is something worth dying for.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 11:56 PM
Joining the US military is a good thing,because you can try and stop the attrocities commited by reckless soldiers and you can educate them to be civilized then acting like a bunch of hooligans when occupying a territory.But should you fight,then don't,it's pointless to fight for a country,but to fight for an idea,that is something worth dying for.
you'll get terrorized by your superiors if you try to do that. when you start out you have to be totally submissive and tolerant to all the physical and psychological stress they subject you to. if you're extremely dedicated to changing the military from the inside out, be my guest to try but chances are other soldiers will rat you out for being a commie, they'll take it on themselves to punish you, etc. these kids go into the army absolutely convinced that they're doing us a service and one little "commie pinko" isn't going to change their mindframe as much as we'd like to think so. it all boils down to dogma.

[Bradyman]

Don't join the army. It's run by a bunch of coporate fat-cats who will send you to die so they can earn an extra couple of bucks.

You're right, all you'll be is a prostitute, a prostitue with the worst kind of Pimp in the world. Stick to your principles and try to find another way. Even if the other way is harder, it'll make you feel better.

[truthaddict11]

the military and police are scabs of the capitalist class and can be used against the working class. It is professional killing nothing else. I highly advise against it

[BRIN]

I'm joining the Australian army around chrismas hopefully.I've completed the phycology test and the apatude test.All thats left is a few interviews with doctors and phycologists.

I'm entering as a riffleman and gonna try to become a machine gunner what about you Midnightmurderer what are you entering as?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Honestly, I REALLY don't want to, but if I must I think I'll join the airforce so I can run away with a stealth bomber or something :P joking, I think I could possibly end up just another foot soldier grunt and hang my head in shame, however I think I could do a little good as a counceler, but as a resistance fighter in a foreign guerrilla movement, all I can say is that I would be proud to volunteer be washing underwear even if it was unpaid, and I don't think I would hesitate to sacrifice my life if necessary.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 09:40 AM
What is everyone's opinion of a communist joining the military? Not out of nationalism or patriotism, but out of economic necessity? Personally I feel that for me, joining the American military is the moral equivilant to becoming a prostitute, but is very difficult to get a job here, so I may be forced to. So what should I do, and what degree of loyalty do you think I should display upon joining, and what do I do in the event of war? Should I stay and become a spy? Also I am giving consideration to defecting to Cuba or going to volunteer my services for FARC, or perhaps fighting abroad for the revolution elsewhere like a true internationalist, assuming they allow foriegners, (I would imagine an American would be very suspicious). What are everyone's opinions of those options?
Communists in a Capitalist Army? (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/monthlytheoryarchives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1053306309&archive=1054467213&cnshow=archive&start_from=&ucat=&)

We've all been through this before. :redstar2000:

[El Commandante]

Joining the army in my humble opinion would be a massive mistake purely because of the pressure which would be put onto you to conform to their stereotypical view of how a soldier should function. It is perhaps rather idealistic to believe that one person would be able to change the attitudes of a whole army who are hell bent on 'revenge' from committing atrocities. It would be impossible to hold back the flood waters of power which you would be facing and you would only be marked out as a trouble maker who was given all the shitty jobs.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 11:40 PM
What is everyone's opinion of a communist joining the military? Not out of nationalism or patriotism, but out of economic necessity? Personally I feel that for me, joining the American military is the moral equivilant to becoming a prostitute, but is very difficult to get a job here, so I may be forced to. So what should I do, and what degree of loyalty do you think I should display upon joining, and what do I do in the event of war? Should I stay and become a spy? Also I am giving consideration to defecting to Cuba or going to volunteer my services for FARC, or perhaps fighting abroad for the revolution elsewhere like a true internationalist, assuming they allow foriegners, (I would imagine an American would be very suspicious). What are everyone's opinions of those options?
well,if u feel for it..its good to have weaponinfo...

[Invader Zim]

I would not advise joining the army as you may be called upon to perform actions which are moraly or ideologicaly wrong. However some complete fool;s will tell you that the army will turn you into a capitalist killing robot with no humanty... they are full of shit, with very little brain power. The Armed forces as well as invading and defending countries, are involved in aid, scientific improvments etc. They are not all bad, but you may be called upon to do things that you would consider questionable.

[Indysocialist]

If you join the military and you try to give people Marxist ideas don't think you wont get beat with a pillow case full of bars of soap. And that's the probably the best outcome, odds are you'd be dishonorably discharged. Imagine if you were put into a situation where a governor here called in the military to stop a protest, all of a sudden you get the order to open fire, would you? If not they'll dishonorably discharge you and it'll be hell to find a job. If you do, well, that's up to you.

[Anarchist Freedom]

joining the imperialist forces of america as a commie is like being a straight white guy and joining a black lesbian empowerment group.




:che:

[commieboy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 07:06 PM
If you join the military and you try to give people Marxist ideas don't think you wont get beat with a pillow case full of bars of soap.
soap in pillow cases is old and mean...These days they use padlocks in their socks!

But think about how the American Economy is right now, there are so few jobs because of the Fat Cappie CEOs exploiting third world countries to do the dirty work. And thousands of young men and woman will be forced to join the armed forces because of the lack of jobs.

This may also be a good thing.....If you ever plan to be a guerilla or a Fighter of anykind...I would strongly advise you to join the US army or marines....You'll be experiencing the best training possible for armed forces, and you'll be trained to counter Guerillas and Terrorists...So you'll know what to expect if you plan to be a Guerilla or terrorist.

But Hijacking the bomber would be cool too, or sneak rifles and bombs out of the base to resistance groups... ;)

[Hawker]

Originally posted by commieboy+Oct 21 2003, 08:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (commieboy @ Oct 21 2003, 08:22 PM)
[email protected] 21 2003, 07:06 PM
If you join the military and you try to give people Marxist ideas don&#39;t think you wont get beat with a pillow case full of bars of soap.
soap in pillow cases is old and mean...These days they use padlocks in their socks&#33;

But think about how the American Economy is right now, there are so few jobs because of the Fat Cappie CEOs exploiting third world countries to do the dirty work. And thousands of young men and woman will be forced to join the armed forces because of the lack of jobs.

This may also be a good thing.....If you ever plan to be a guerilla or a Fighter of anykind...I would strongly advise you to join the US army or marines....You&#39;ll be experiencing the best training possible for armed forces, and you&#39;ll be trained to counter Guerillas and Terrorists...So you&#39;ll know what to expect if you plan to be a Guerilla or terrorist.

But Hijacking the bomber would be cool too, or sneak rifles and bombs out of the base to resistance groups... ;) [/b]
I agree,but if you get caught you&#39;ll be branded as a traitor and shot.

[commieboy]

THEY STILL SHOOT YOU&#33;??&#33;?&#33;

But its the same risk you take fighting for any cause....

[REDWARRIOR]

Joing the military, it could be quite useful. Learn how they fightr and what they are bad at. but the american military, i wouldn&#39;t suggest it. You&#39;d be transformed into an imperialist pig, you deserve better than it. It&#39;s pretty low to join the american forces, you&#39;d be a defender of capitalism. *shudder*

[(*]

Rather become a cop.

If you do join the military, it is always better to do so if you have a 4-year degree.

[Indysocialist]

They have a modern equivolent to the Peace Corp these days I was even thinking about joining. I forgot the name, if somebody could provide the link I&#39;d definately be grateful.

[RyeN]

I particualrly dont like america. I even more dislike thier amry, so if you joined I would have a certain hatred of you. However I think its a good idea for young revolutionaries to get military trraining. It is good to know the internal procedures for you national defence in case you ever have to disolve them. Plus the money and experience could be an asset for you if you dont drop out from the constant soap beatings. Could you for four years conform on the outdside to thier thoughts and traditions without changing your belifs. If so Do it up and fly that Stealth up to canada, we could use all the planes we can get.

[Eastside Revolt]

LOL&#33;&#33;&#33;

You know we&#39;d ***** out and give it back in less then 24 hours. :lol:

[BRIN]

If you want to join the army over there in Yankland,i recon you&#39;d be better if you joined the millitia or army reserve because it would probly be alot more laid back and you would be less likely sent to iraq.Also the training would suit guerrilla army because you would learn people skills as well as learning how to be a solider.

Another alternative the foreign legion if your in it for the money because you get paid more than the american army (i&#39;m pretty sure) and you get superior training because on your 5 year term you&#39;ll get to shoot people,peace keep and do other thing the millitary does in wars.There are some bad bits about the legion though,1 out of 5 die in the first 5 years,the training is meant to be X-treme,your serving the highest bidder for france and also you&#39;ll end up shooting lots of poor ethnic people instead of rich ones.

But hey i&#39;m in same position as you i&#39;m very poor,want to the army for training and i would like to one day help the peoples of south americal.One word of advice &#39;&#39;The end justifies the means&#39;&#39; so if the millitary training helps you help the people,its all worth it.

And remember Muamer Qaddafi was in the Brittish army and he became a colonal but latter he liberated Libia and made THE most sucessful arab socialist state EVER,as i said before &#39;&#39;the end justifies the means&#39;&#39;.

[redstar2000]

It&#39;s hard to believe I&#39;m reading some of these "reasons" for becoming a professional killer for U.S. imperialism (or its junior partner Australia).

At least it&#39;s hard to believe I&#39;m reading them here...at Che-Lives.

I can see Joe Dumbfuck in Alabama looking around, seeing how hard it is to find a decent job, and deciding that "being a hero" and getting paid for it is a "good career choice".

I can&#39;t see how anyone with the most minimal knowledge of how imperialism functions and what it does to people would think of becoming a killer (soldier or cop, makes no difference) in service to the capitalist class...even if s/he was reduced to begging on the streets as an alternative.

The pathetic rationales--"I&#39;ll organize inside the military" or "I&#39;ll learn lots of useful military skills"--are so stupid they practically drool.

In today&#39;s "professional" mercenary armies, the slightest hint of "trouble-making" will simply get you an immediate discharge (and probably an informal beating as well).

The idea that any training that you receive will be "useful" in a period of proletarian revolution is equally unlikely...mass revolutions do not use or even need the "high-tech" weaponry that mercenaries use today.

The suggestion that the "ends" justify the "means" ignores the well-documented counter-effect...the means shape the ends.

"Serving" in a mercenary army turns you into a mercenary with the full compliment of ideological baggage that goes with that. When you get out, there will be only one career path open to you...cop/prison guard.

And you&#39;ll like those options...because that&#39;s the kind of person you will have become.

Being determines consciousness. Get a job as a turd and, over time, you&#39;ll become one through and through.

And you&#39;ll end up "proud to be a turd".

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[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Say, is there a way for an American Joe Shmoe to join FARC?

[redstar2000]

Say, is there a way for an American Joe Shmoe to join FARC?

Almost certainly not...though if you are obviously Hispanic and fluent in Spanish, that might marginally improve your chances.

Americans who want to be active in political movements in other countries have their best shot in western Europe...again assuming fluency in the language.

But even there, you will have to "prove yourself" over a considerable period of time, show that you have really become a "part" of your new environment, that you&#39;re not just an arrogant American tourist (left-wing version), etc.

You need to understand that in most parts of the world today people neither like nor trust Americans...for reasons that are both obvious and too numerous to mention.

Go to France and become French; go to Germany and become German; go to Italy and become Italian. In time--a decade or so--people will forget that you were once "an arrogant fucking American bastard" and accept you as a sincere comrade in the struggle.

And, if you are fortunate, you&#39;ll get the chance to actually take part in one of the first proletarian revolutions of the new century.

It&#39;s what I would do if I were young again.

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[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Damn. Well, I find it rather strange that Islamic movements have a tendancy to be very internationalist as we&#39;ve seen from the Syrian, Saudi, and other fighters entering Iraq, and there was even that one American in Afganistan whose name I forgot that was in Al-Queda or the Taliban, I think John Walker. Why is it that rightist nationalist Islamic Fundamentalist movements can do this with such ease, but yet an International Communist movement cannot? (Though I don&#39;t exactly intend to try joining Al-Queda) Anyways, I&#39;ve taken spanish 3, so I can speak very broken Spanish, and understand what another person is saying if they don&#39;t go too fast, and use small words. :P But I do appear Hispanic in decent, even though its really because I am half Hindi. I&#39;ve decided that if I can&#39;t get my 7 year Ph.D in physics for whatever reason (which is looking possible since I might not be able to afford it even though I might get a 75% scholorship), that I am going to become a soldier rather than become some low class exploited wage slave who has to live his days out in shame, poverty, and relative solitude. As an able-bodied 18 year old. the adventure, comradery, as well as ideological aspects of joining something like that sound very appealing to me. Even if it would be a life of great hardship, or even death, the respect I would be able to have for myself would be worth more than any amount of money or comfort. I heard that you aren&#39;t paid for fighting, but rather you are there for your beliefs. The only problems for me then would to be getting there, and being accepted into a resistance movement. Well, scratch the getting there problem, if I&#39;m accepted, I&#39;ll get there even if I have to walk from Florida to Columbia. Ah, the vicious cycle of unemployment, to get a job, you need a car, to get a car, you need a job...

[redstar2000]

Well, I find it rather strange that Islamic movements have a tendency to be very internationalist as we&#39;ve seen from the Syrian, Saudi, and other fighters entering Iraq, and there was even that one American in Afghanistan whose name I forgot that was in Al-Queda or the Taliban, I think John Walker. Why is it that rightist nationalist Islamic Fundamentalist movements can do this with such ease, but yet an International Communist movement cannot?

Walker was in the Taliban, I believe. And he was never "trusted" with any task of substance.

I think it will be tougher to join those folks as the repression of them becomes more severe. They have been infiltrated with considerable regularity...hardly a week passes without arrests in one country or another.

And, of course, it&#39;s a very different situation when you are being recruited by someone--as they do--and when an individual "walks in off the street and wants to join" a guerrilla organization.

If you do indeed make it to Colombia, chances are you will have to find some "support group" with ties to the FARC or the ELN, work with them for a few years to acquire "credibility" and then they may trust you enough to let you join one of their combat units. If you just walk into the countryside, they&#39;ll certainly assume that you&#39;re some kind of agent and will probably kill you--that&#39;s what I would do if I were in their position. Of course, if you can articulate their political positions with real skill, that might save your ass...another reason to spend several years in Bogotá reading up on their stuff and learning exactly how they see things.


...rather than become some low class exploited wage slave who has to live his days out in shame, poverty, and relative solitude.

It&#39;s not always that bad...though there are some pretty rough times. If you find some form of struggle against the system, the shame kind of recedes into the background. Poverty is a "relative" concept...it doesn&#39;t cost all that much to live a dignified life. And there are comrades somewhere for everyone...even if only on the internet.

But I see your point.

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[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Well, I guess that situation is rather understandable. I really would doubt they would take seriously some 18 year old American chucklehead who thinks he knows something about Communism. Too bad they don&#39;t have some type of foriegn legion similiar to what the French have...

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 09:21 AM

...I can&#39;t see how anyone with the most minimal knowledge of how imperialism functions and what it does to people would think of becoming a killer (soldier or cop, makes no difference) in service to the capitalist class...
But cops do serve other important purposes.

[RyeN]

what about joining the canadian military? we dont have any boats or planes to get you anywhere dangerous, and hell you dont even get a gun when you join. I think its more about the Uniform, cheap beer, and the women, instead of fighting people. Plus even if thier is a war, chances are we wont get involved. Too much pot to smoke and gay mariges to attend up here.

[redstar2000]

What about joining the Canadian military?

Do not imagine, even for a second, that the Canadian military is any different than the military of any other imperialist country.

I know that Canadians like to take pride in the illusion that they are independent and not simply a junior partner of U.S. imperialism.

But it ain&#39;t so; if Washington really decides to put the pressure on Ottawa, the Canadians will furnish troops (mercenaries) and plenty of them.

And that may happen sooner than you think...if the U.S. decides that "regime change" is "necessary" in Iran prior to the next presidential election. It&#39;s also quite possible (if it hasn&#39;t already happened) that Canada will be called upon to furnish occupation troops in Iraq.


But cops do serve other important purposes.

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[BRIN]

Interesting theory on cops redstar,would your theory apply to the army aswell?

Because i see it pretty irelevent to lots of cases to the army.Because financialy disadvantaged people such as my self don&#39;t have much of a choice,in that my society does not have many jobs and most of the avalible jobs need skills and diplomas.Also with the classes deviding furtheremore(working class gets paid less and less, and upper classes get paid more and more)can you blame someone for finding a way to get out quick via the army.For the army offers many diffrent trades which translate into the the real world as more oppertunity.

You say police men and soliders are moraly corrupt but so is every other job in a Cappitalist society because they all enforce cappitalism.Does 6 years of millitary service seem better than 30 years working as a unskilled labourer or a cleaner,it sure sounds better to me because i would be free after 6 years and i would be able to travel to less corupt society.While being a labourer i&#39;d be luckey to get out in 30 years and would no dout suffer from physical injury and would be at risk of being more &#39;capitalised&#39; due to a long exposer to a corrupt society.

[commie kg]

If you join the military, they will crack you. Their psychological engineering will change you forever. You will become a drone.

Don&#39;t do it&#33;

[redstar2000]

Interesting theory on cops, redstar,would your theory apply to the army as well?

Yes, obviously.


For the army offers many different trades which translate into the real world as more opportunity.

Yes, like cop, prison guard, corporate security "expert", etc.


You say policemen and soldiers are morally corrupt but so is every other job in a Capitalist society because they all enforce capitalism.

Perhaps, but some are clearly far more corrupt than others. Flipping burgers at McDonald&#39;s is not anything that anyone would consider particularly "honorable" and the pay sucks...but it&#39;s not quite the same as being a professional killer for the ruling class.

There&#39;s a difference.

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I found this on the anarchist news service...

Stephen Funk, a US Marine, has been jailed for "refusing to deploy with his unit because of his opposition to the war". Charged with desertion and thrown in prison for six months; he is
becoming the focal point for a &#39;refusenik&#39; campaign in the US military. To write to Stephen, write to: Stephen: Corp Base Brig; Attn: Stephen Funk Bldg 1041 PSC 20140 Camp Lejeune, NC 28542-0140, USA. Or sign the on-line petition http://www.join-snafu.org

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[Sabocat]

My response every time I read that someone here is considering joining the army but will retain their leftist views and just use it for training....blah, blah, blah.

If you&#39;ve got so much conviction in your "leftist" ideals, then by all means, go to the recruiting office and tell them that you&#39;re a communist or socialist. Then stand back and wait for their response. I can assure you that you won&#39;t be joining any military that day.

If you go to the recruiting office and don&#39;t tell them your ideals and sign up, then I would suggest that you were no kind of "leftist" anyway.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Joining the American military is supporting disgusting imperialism.

[Spartacus2002]

true dat... is joining the us military moral.... what a dumb question... unless your going in a spy for a communist group then yes it is immoral... what next u&#39;ll probably be asking "hey is it ok to join the SS i hear they pay good" :angry: you idiot american, he&#39;s prolly one of these guys that likes to say he&#39;s a commie cuz its &#39;cool&#39; but wants to shoot machine guns too

[Hawker]

I agree with some of you guys that joining the US military is a good thing because you can get training for the revolution and now you&#39;ll know what your up against,because in Asia they have a saying"Know your enemy and know yourself,and you&#39;ll be unbeatable"

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

How about the Peace Corps?

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 10:46 AM


And that may happen sooner than you think...if the U.S. decides that "regime change" is "necessary" in Iran prior to the next presidential election. It&#39;s also quite possible (if it hasn&#39;t already happened) that Canada will be called upon to furnish occupation troops in Iraq.


True,

Canadian troops were already in Iraq (12 I believe), and as Urban Rubble pointed out a while ago, canada supplied armaments as well.

[suffianr]

Seen on a bumper somehwere: Join the army&#33; Travel the world, meet interesting people, and kill them.

[apathy maybe]

I would always recomend against joining the regular armed forces. They indoctrenate you. To hate, to kill, to obay. They teach you to shoot first, and if they person is still alive, maybe ask a question. But probably shoot again. And if you don&#39;t indoctrinate well, out you go. "So sorry but you know how it is."

I was once vaguely thinking of joining the ADF (defence force), but once I read about it and learnt about it. No thanks.
You might survive if you join the reserves. You might not be indoctrinated. If you keep your mouth shut, and don&#39;t volunteer infomation, don&#39;t try and convert others, don&#39;t trust anyone. You MIGHT survive. And if you do you&#39;ll "come out with skills that can be used in the real world". Good luck.

[dopediana]

my boyf is in the military as some technician of sorts and he&#39;s a pretty hardcore punk, big on the alternative scene. he used to be much more anti-establishment and leftist than he is now, specifically because he spent so much time with those military folk, and we all know that eventually you become what you do. he still retains leftist ideals but he&#39;s really been drawn pro-military. and when we start talking about that stuff (not knowing whether he really does or just wants to avoid confrontation) he says that he doesn&#39;t care anymore.

human nature can be easily manipulated, so watch yourselves.

[Bolshevika]

Please don&#39;t join the military Midnight. See you on the battlefields&#33;

I suggest defecting to Cuba and befriending Fidel Castro. That&#39;s what I&#39;m going to do after I am finished with my studies. This will give you time to think about what your next revolutionary move will be, pick up some Spanish, study more about communist theory, meet a nice girl, etc.

I was also thinking of immigrating to Argentina when I am of age. But that is a different story, I am thinking of starting a revolution there.

Personally I would take pleasure in shooting as many American/Western soldiers and dragging them on the back of a car, I would hate to hurt a comrade.

[dopediana]

I suggest defecting to Cuba and befriending Fidel Castro. That&#39;s what I&#39;m going to do after I am finished with my studies.
BAAAAAHAHAhahahahaha. good luck with that one.....


This will give you time to think about what your next revolutionary move will be, pick up some Spanish, study more about communist theory, meet a nice girl, etc.

i love how you&#39;re only 14 yet speak as if you were imbued with ageless wisdom.


I was also thinking of immigrating to Argentina when I am of age. But that is a different story, I am thinking of starting a revolution there.

i have nothing against ambition


Personally I would take pleasure in shooting as many American/Western soldiers and dragging them on the back of a car, I would hate to hurt a comrade.

my whole reason for getting pissed at you in the first place. it&#39;s not the people, it&#39;s the system that needs to be brought down. and these are people you&#39;ve never met, many of them just trying to earn a living, get back on track, pay for college. you&#39;re saying you&#39;d delight in shooting someone i hold very dear to me. and i&#39;m saying you&#39;re not my fucking comrade.

[Bolshevika]

my whole reason for getting pissed at you in the first place. it&#39;s not the people, it&#39;s the system that needs to be brought down. and these are people you&#39;ve never met, many of them just trying to earn a living, get back on track, pay for college. you&#39;re saying you&#39;d delight in shooting someone i hold very dear to me. and i&#39;m saying you&#39;re not my fucking comrade.

I&#39;m sorry you are offended, but sad truth is, when he signed that contract agreeing to join the military, I&#39;m sure it said in big bold letters "when you join the army of an imperialist nation, there is a good chance you may die"(not the exact wording, but you get the picture). When there is a battle of the classes going on, you do not see fellow human beings, you see imperialist devils coming to oppress your people.

The imperialist soldiers do not hesitate to kill the oppressed, so why should we hesitate to kill them when we get the chance?

Of course if this fellow you claim to "hold dearly to your heart" is unarmed, I wouldn&#39;t hurt him, maybe just a little beating and extraction of information would do, then I would probably hold him for ransom to generate money for the revolution, and you&#39;d see your sweetheart soon enough.

However, yanqui&#39;s who believe they are rambo should be shown no mercy.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 04:57 AM
Of course if this fellow you claim to "hold dearly to your heart" is unarmed, I wouldn&#39;t hurt him, maybe just a little beating and extraction of information would do, then I would probably hold him for ransom to generate money for the revolution, and you&#39;d see your sweetheart soon enough.

WTF?&#33;?&#33; for your information, they don&#39;t tell these guys jack shit about what&#39;s going on. they never know where they&#39;re going to be sent off to next, when they&#39;re going to be deployed, whether they&#39;re going to be well-equipped or not when they get there (a lot of soldiers in iraq don&#39;t even have toothpaste). when they&#39;re on a ship, they sleep in cramped bunks a little over 2 ft wide, 70 guys to a room while the officers get these bigass suites with kingsized beds. and they get 2 beers every 45 days.

and you ought to know by now that they don&#39;t really care about people in the army dying. look at how many have been killed already in iraq. look at all the veterans whose benefits got slashed. they&#39;re doing themselves a disservice enough being in the army. jessica lynch only got all the fame that she did because they needed a national icon to raise everyone&#39;s spirits. what she did was utterly unremarkable. yet if you read the story posted in the news forum by hampton about the black soldier who was more severely injured than lynch yet got less than half the benefits, it&#39;s all put before you clearly. they just don&#39;t care.

therefore, if you held my boyf for ransom, what are the odds that they&#39;d pay for him? i&#39;d say they&#39;re very slim.

did i mention that he shows his patriotism with a huge upsidedown flag in the window?

[Bolshevika]

I doubt "American soldier is left to die" would be very good for American propaganda, no? Trust me they would crack in two once the hostage taking goes public.

[dopediana]

which is why it WOULDN&#39;T go public unless it was to glorify america or to demean the "enemy."

that&#39;s funny, because out of everything i just wrote there, it&#39;s THAT little bit that you chose to talk about. keep your mouth closed about things you don&#39;t understand. and your tone is really beginning to irk me.
"trust me they would crack in two"

"Of course if this fellow you claim to "hold dearly to your heart" is unarmed, I wouldn&#39;t hurt him, maybe just a little beating and extraction of information would do, then I would probably hold him for ransom to generate money for the revolution, and you&#39;d see your sweetheart soon enough."

"Personally I would take pleasure in shooting as many American/Western soldiers and dragging them on the back of a car, I would hate to hurt a comrade"

i smashed you once, i can do it again. it&#39;s obnoxious little shits like you who make the left look bad, thinking you&#39;re this huge pubescent one-man show who can kick everyone&#39;s ass. you fail to realize that your pity and service should extend to everyone on the bottom of the system you hate. including soldiers. and on my boyf&#39;s ship, he told me that he thought it was fucking sick that half the troops were black and only two of the officers were. there you go. you&#39;re seeing humans as means to an end the same way the right does.

i&#39;d tell you to shut up but you&#39;re just so far behind it wouldn&#39;t do much good.

[Bolshevika]

This is getting silly, I&#39;ll pm you and we can argue all you want.

[dopediana]

i&#39;m waiting for the pm. and it&#39;s not silly. you&#39;re the only silly thing about it.