PayPal billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of lat-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

"There are quite a lot of people who think it's not possible," Thiel said at a Seasteading Institute Conference in 2009, according to Details. (His first donation was in 2008, for $500,000.) "That's a good thing. We don't need to really worry about those people very much, because since they don't think it's possible they won't take us very seriously. And they will not actually try to stop us until it's too late."

The Seasteading Institute's Patri Friedman says the group plans to launch an office park off the San Francisco coast next year, with the first full-time settlements following seven years later.

Thiel made news earlier this year for putting a portion of his $1.5 billion fortune into an initiative to encourage entrepreneurs to skip college.

Another Silicon Valley titan, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, announced in June that he would be funding the "Clock of the Long Now." The clock is designed to keep ticking for 10,000 years, and will be built in a mountain in west Texas.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

[CHE with an AK]

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

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[Hexen]

Is this guy the real Andrew Ryan from Bioshock?

[danyboy27]

good, we wont be forced to put them in gulag, they will do it all by themselves.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"Thiel was ranked #365 on the Forbes 400 in 2010, with a net worth of US$1.5 billion. However, this number now underestimates his wealth as his Facebook share alone, at a 2010 valuation, is worth US$1.7 billion. Peter Thiel lives in San Francisco, California."

[Rss]

This guy chose something different. He chose the impossible. He chose...









Rapture!

I'm kinda interested how soon this is going to fall apart.

[Susurrus]

If they make them left libertarian, then f yeah! Otherwise I agree with the Bioshock assessment.

[piet11111]

It would be hilarious if Somali pirates decided to crash their utopia.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Maybe if they get their own islands to fuck around with, they'll leave the rest of us alone?

[The Douche]

No minimum wage? No shit, they're not going to produce anything, there is gonna be no labor and no production on the islands. The only income earned by people living there will be off of investments/interest and from whatever sort of managerial stuff they can do over the internet.

I suppose they could also be a haven for offshore banking.



Either way, we should raise a pirate armada to really test them out.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Maybe if they get their own islands to fuck around with, they'll leave the rest of us alone?

No, they won't. Because capital needs to circulate to be capital. And that means workers need to be exploited. Whether or not the possessors of capital live in some fortified island far isolated from the rest of us, that will be the case.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Is this guy the real Andrew Ryan from Bioshock?

My thoughts exactly! He needs to:

A) Not announce what he's doing.
B) Collect all the 'creators' of the world.
C) Build it underwater.
D) Beware of a man named Frank Fontaine.
E) Don't allow people to splice up.
F) Don't hire a 'collectivist' shrink name Sophia Lamb.
G) Stay away from the strippers.

Then he might have a fighting chance. I am curious if it will end up like Rapture or not.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

No minimum wage? No shit, they're not going to produce anything, there is gonna be no labor and no production on the islands. The only income earned by people living there will be off of investments/interest and from whatever sort of managerial stuff they can do over the internet.

I suppose they could also be a haven for offshore banking.



Somebody's still gotta cook their food, make their coffee, wash their clothes, maintain the island's structure, etc. They sure as fuck aren't going to!

And a lot of workers around the world labor without a minimum wage. How about all the migrant farm labor in the U.S.? Domestic servants? Undocumented workers in food, construction, etc.?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

This says a lot about their ideology.

Basically the bloke just wants a holiday island where he can employ some cheap labour to do god-knows-what for/to him.

What. An. Idiot.

[The Douche]

Somebody's still gotta cook their food, make their coffee, wash their clothes, maintain the island's structure, etc. They sure as fuck aren't going to!

And a lot of workers around the world labor without a minimum wage. How about all the migrant farm labor in the U.S.? Domestic servants? Undocumented workers in food, construction, etc.?

I think, more realistically you'll see them hire from private bidders to do this, not bring people into their community to be a work force.

And as for what few shops or daily services they might need, they'll probably be provided by wives/children/family members with the capital invested from whatever rich assholes are moving there.

[North Star]

can we say if the US were to invade these islands in response to some kind of sex scandal it would be the first case of US imperialism being progressive ?:lol:

[Princess Luna]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva
over $100,000,000 spent making the island, and Tonga just came in with a couple dozen soldiers and took it over, I actually feel kind of sorry for them

[Ocean Seal]

I can already tell how this is going to go. They're going to be islands of about 100 people or so and billionaires are going to pour in their money into making them super pretty. Then they're going to try and tell us, hey libertarianism works, just look at how we have the highest living standard in the world. Well no shit, you just poured billions into infrastructure and you have about 100 people living there. The internet is going to be filled with this garbage for about two years till the libertarians get bored of it.

[Tenka]

Somebody's still gotta cook their food, make their coffee, wash their clothes, maintain the island's structure, etc. They sure as fuck aren't going to!

Maybe they'll import cheap slavish labour which they will house (hide) in underground bunkers (or below deck, as the case may be), so as to get everything done with "invisible hands".:thumbup1:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

If this project actually goes though, these offshore "countries" will actually end up as offshore banking and finance centers, casinos,maybe biotech research not allowed any place else.This seems something out of the William Gibson cyber punk novels of the 80s.

The islands could actually pay some of their workers very well, but could equally be the location of horrendous sweatshops, like the US owned Pacific island of Saribitu, horrible sweatshops sponsored by Jack Abramoff Either way, the islands will not be removed from the circuit of capital.

[syndicat]

a number of "libertarian" thinkers, such as Nozick, have said that slave labor is fine as long as its "voluntary."

[TheGodlessUtopian]

a number of "libertarian" thinkers, such as Nozick, have said that slave labor is fine as long as its "voluntary."

Haha...I have never before heard such a contradictory phrase-"Volunteer slave labor" ....Nozick needs to desperately find himself a brain.

[Susurrus]

"Please, make me a slave"
"Okay."
^The Most Revisionist version of history I've ever heard.

[o well this is ok I guess]

How can there only have been two Bioshock jokes made so far?

[Mark V.]

A part of me really wants this to take off and draw in thousands of people from every class. Especially poor working class people. Just to see what poor working class people do when there is no welfare, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on guns. They'd probably blame any failure on those "horrible lower class plebeians".

[Lenina Rosenweg]

"Please, make me a slave"
"Okay."
^The Most Revisionist version of history I've ever heard.

There's no such thing as society. There just millions, no billions of self sufficient individuals who must be free to make their own choices.If someone chooses to sell themselves into a lifetime of penal servitude, well we may regret their decision but we have no right to intervene. It is their choice to make.

[Bardo]

This would make a really awesome reality show...

[Zav]

As soon as these are built, I hope there's a tsunami, hurricane, or something of the sort to destroy them. We'll all get a good laugh from many meters above sea level. They'd get abandoned pretty soon anyway when they realise that exploiting a bunch of poor people with guns is a bad idea. Either way, this project, if it is carried out, will be most amusing.

[o well this is ok I guess]

There's no such thing as society. There just millions, no billions of self sufficient individuals who must be free to make their own choices.If someone chooses to sell themselves into a lifetime of penal servitude, well we may regret their decision but we have no right to intervene. It is their choice to make. But of course, it's doubtful whether or not any reasonable man would make such a choice.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Thing is, I think stuff such as artificial islands, seasteading and ocean colonisation have something to offer everyone, not just libertarians with billions to spare. With rising sea levels, cities and entire countries face inundation, and it would be a good idea to free up as much space as possible on dry land for the purposes of agriculture.

[Le Rouge]

Thing is, I think stuff such as artificial islands, seasteading and ocean colonisation have something to offer everyone, not just libertarians with billions to spare. With rising sea levels, cities and entire countries face inundation, and it would be a good idea to free up as much space as possible on dry land for the purposes of agriculture.

It would be a good idea to intervene on the cause instead of the consequence.
We should make sure the sea level don't rise too much instead of creating islands.

But since the sea level is rising, I agree.

[piet11111]

But of course, it's doubtful whether or not any reasonable man would make such a choice.

When faced with crushing debt and no social security to fall back on i could see it happen better to live as a slave then to starve to death would probably be the only reason anyone would do this.

(i would just become a criminal instead)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

a number of "libertarian" thinkers, such as Nozick, have said that slave labor is fine as long as its "voluntary."

Sounds like wage slavery.

All the employees at the pharmaceutical factory near my old place voluntarily go to work every day....

... of course if they quit and don't find work elsewhere they'll starve to death.

[Rss]

Why he isn't building this thing on the seabed? At least foundations would be stern stuff and storms wouldn't knock it down.

Weird. Suddenly I have burning urge to sing Beyond the Sea.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva
over $100,000,000 spent making the island, and Tonga just came in with a couple dozen soldiers and took it over, I actually feel kind of sorry for them
:laugh:
That's hilarious.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Nomadic floating cities are roaming the oceans

At the dawn of the 22nd century, many of the world's cities lie partially submerged due to rising sea levels.* (http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#ref7) Despite some attempts to build flood defences, even famous locations - such as New York, London, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Sydney - have been affected. With over 10% of the world's population living on coastlines, hundreds of millions have been forced to migrate. However, disruption of inland food and freshwater supplies - caused by drought, disease, war, overpopulation and other factors – means their journeys often end in vain. Some of the worst-hit countries have been plunged into a state of anarchy. Vast uninhabitable wastelands now cover the equatorial regions, with desperate streams of refugees moving from city to city, fighting over what little scraps remain. There is widespread damage to buildings and infrastructure.
In the US, formerly prosperous breadbaskets in the south have been turned into lifeless deserts, while coastal areas are frequently battered by storm surges, category 6 hurricanes and other freak weather events.* (http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#ref7)
Meanwhile, the once mighty Amazon rainforest has been reduced to a few oases of greenery surrounded by parched scrubland and dried river beds.
A growing number of citizens are abandoning their homelands altogether and attempting to reach more northerly or southerly latitudes. However, borders are becoming ever more difficult to cross. Limited food, resources and housing are forcing many governments to drastically rethink their immigration policies.
Rich entrepreneurs are exploiting this, by offering a new means of living which does away with national boundaries altogether. This comes in the form of floating, artificial islands - wholly self-sufficient and capable of cruising around the world indefinitely.* (http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#ref8)
The ships provide the kind of comfort, safety and security that many of their occupants have never experienced before. In addition to a continuous supply of food, freshwater and energy, a number of facilities are available – including state-of-the-art virtual reality suites, android servants/companions, industrial-scale nanotech assemblers, landing pads for anti-grav vehicles, swimming pools and other amenities. Carefully maintained arboretums featuring real trees can also be found on board (flora which are becoming increasingly rare these days).
These giant, amphibious ships are especially popular in southeast Asia, which has been hit hardest by the effects of climate change. Some of the largest craft measure over a kilometre in diameter with tens of thousands of residents. Whole new cultures are forming on these "micronations", based on sustainable ways of living and a mutual respect for humanity and nature.* (http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#ref8)

http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/images/floating_city_22nd_century.jpg
Credit: Vincent Callebaut architects (http://www.vincent.callebaut.org/page1-img-lilypad.html)

http://futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#floating-cities

[RadioRaheem84]

The future is here! And it's dystopian.

Dubai really is the first libertarian wonderland in my opinion.

[gendoikari]

Here's the question, who's gunna build it, john galt? Don't think so.

[Aspiring Humanist]

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holy shit im laughing so hard

[RadioRaheem84]

So these libertarian whackos are able to create alternatives but as soon as peasents do it, it's t subversion and must be crushed!

[Iron Felix]

Yeah this will end well. At least we get rid of some idiots meanwhile.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

There's the "Free State Project", the idea is to have libertarians move en masse to New Hampshire where presumably their votes and activism will turn that state into a libertarian paradise. Before that libertarians were looking at Montana for the same purpose. The idea hasn't been working as well as hoped because the Granite State is increasingly becoming "blue".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

There's an article on Counterpunch somewhere that describes how this "movement" has been bankrolled by a few New Hampshire businessmen who want to lower their property taxes and keep the minimum wage low.

Is libertarianism a uniquely American disease or does it have followers in Europe, Asia and elsewhere? I don't mean intellectual Miseans or Hayekians, I mean the US form of populist libertarianism. Could there be a French or Indian Ron Paul?

[RadioRaheem84]

In the video the guy admits that the technology is there to build a society that is more sustainable than ours and can be an alternative to the cities we have now, yet it is clearly for the upper crust.

Just goes to show the will is there to create better societies but just not for the poor.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Imagine if this selfish prick of a person invested that money in helping to alleviate the famine in East Africa rather than advancing his own narrow, selfish, utopian political agenda.

What an arse. He has enough money to near enough eliminate diseases like Polio, Malaria and alleviate famine, and he wants to go and spend part of it on some political island.

Blood. Is. Boiling.:cursing:

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Is libertarianism a uniquely American disease or does it have followers in Europe, Asia and elsewhere? I don't mean intellectual Miseans or Hayekians, I mean the US form of populist libertarianism. Could there be a French or Indian Ron Paul?

No, I think it's something that's quite alien to Europe. Places like France have far, far too strong an urban, working class base for this sort of thing to take off. Since 1945 there has also been great support for at least some level of European integration and government welfare support.

I have a question actually, i'm intrigued to know: do the majority of Americans think themselves as middle-class, and does that perhaps affect their susceptibility to these populist-Libertarian ideas? i.e. people in Europe KNOW that their countries contain large areas of shit and that, at the national level, their rulers are a pile of shit. But do Americans ( or a plurality/majority) genuinely think that perhaps their society is not that imperfect and that populist Libertarian is the 'utopia' they desire?

[Tim Cornelis]

There's the "Free State Project", the idea is to have libertarians move en masse to New Hampshire where presumably their votes and activism will turn that state into a libertarian paradise. Before that libertarians were looking at Montana for the same purpose. The idea hasn't been working as well as hoped because the Granite State is increasingly becoming "blue".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

There's an article on Counterpunch somewhere that describes how this "movement" has been bankrolled by a few New Hampshire businessmen who want to lower their property taxes and keep the minimum wage low.

Is libertarianism a uniquely American disease or does it have followers in Europe, Asia and elsewhere? I don't mean intellectual Miseans or Hayekians, I mean the US form of populist libertarianism. Could there be a French or Indian Ron Paul?

Doubt it, it has to do with US history of classical liberalism.

I think the Dutch libertarian party received 1000 votes last election.

EDIT: They are actually so small, they did not enter the elections.

[Tim Cornelis]

Maybe, they are just pretending to be free market capitalists to gain the support of the US but in 20 years they'll be like "SUPRISE! We are communists!" Like that one guy said.

[Le Socialiste]

Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to post this! :D

I wonder how successful this is going to be. I don't know if I can see this project getting very far - but for all I know we might have dozens of artificial "libertarian" islands floating around in a few years.



The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."


You don't need to build islands for that! Just find a country that fits each of those requirements. I'm sure there are plenty. :rolleyes:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

No, I think it's something that's quite alien to Europe. Places like France have far, far too strong an urban, working class base for this sort of thing to take off. Since 1945 there has also been great support for at least some level of European integration and government welfare support.

I have a question actually, i'm intrigued to know: do the majority of Americans think themselves as middle-class, and does that perhaps affect their susceptibility to these populist-Libertarian ideas? i.e. people in Europe KNOW that their countries contain large areas of shit and that, at the national level, their rulers are a pile of shit. But do Americans ( or a plurality/majority) genuinely think that perhaps their society is not that imperfect and that populist Libertarian is the 'utopia' they desire?

I would say that's true. There is little class consciousness in the US.(This is rapidly beginning to change ) Most or at least many people think of themselves as being a part of a vast generic "middle class". People are enraged at the ruling class but they don't know who to channel their anger towards. There is a powerful but vague idea that big shot "bureaucrats" or "big government" maybe in connection with "finance capital" is responsible for the way things are. There is a lively left/alternative media but few know about it.Left ideas get no media exposure. Many people's version of alternative media is the Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh and their many imitators. Of course libertarian ideas are very popular with petit bourgeois elements.

[RadioRaheem84]

Imagine if this selfish prick of a person invested that money in helping to alleviate the famine in East Africa rather than advancing his own narrow, selfish, utopian political agenda.

What an arse. He has enough money to near enough eliminate diseases like Polio, Malaria and alleviate famine, and he wants to go and spend part of it on some political island.

Blood. Is. Boiling.:cursing:

He has the right and the freedom to do what he wants with his money and should be free of any coercion or force to spend it in ways he doesn't want to.

It's called liberty buddy.

[Nox]

Greedy fucker, he's doing this just so he doesn't have to pay taxes.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

You don't need to build islands for that! Just find a country that fits each of those requirements. I'm sure there are plenty.


The People's Republic of China.

[CHE with an AK]

no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons ...

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[Salyut]

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It'd be funny if it wasn't actual Misean thinking. (http://mises.org/daily/2066)

[Madslatter]

It'd be funny if it wasn't actual Misean thinking. (http://mises.org/daily/2066)
:rolleyes: Somebody tell the tea party, maybe they'll all move

[Pretty Flaco]

I think this is interesting if it actually pans out. I'm not advocating it, but I'd like to see what would happen.

[Salyut]

I think this is interesting if it actually pans out. I'm not advocating it, but I'd like to see what would happen.

Anarchist commune floating around the ocean growing weed and chillaxing with dolphins and shit.

I would be done for that.

[Die Neue Zeit]

No minimum wage? No shit, they're not going to produce anything, there is gonna be no labor and no production on the islands. The only income earned by people living there will be off of investments/interest and from whatever sort of managerial stuff they can do over the internet.

I suppose they could also be a haven for offshore banking.

Either way, we should raise a pirate armada to really test them out.

Consulting, not managerial stuff.


I think, more realistically you'll see them hire from private bidders to do this, not bring people into their community to be a work force.

And as for what few shops or daily services they might need, they'll probably be provided by wives/children/family members with the capital invested from whatever rich assholes are moving there.


Somebody's still gotta cook their food, make their coffee, wash their clothes, maintain the island's structure, etc. They sure as fuck aren't going to!

And a lot of workers around the world labor without a minimum wage. How about all the migrant farm labor in the U.S.? Domestic servants? Undocumented workers in food, construction, etc.?

Now that I've thought about it further, do I smell Bahrain? Or Dubai?

[Salyut]

Now that I've thought about it further, do I smell Bahrain? Or Dubai?

[url=http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3328/]Yep.[url] The mention of Buckminister Fuller is quite interesting:


In 1966 my Japanese patron died, and the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development commissioned me to carry out full design and economic analysis of the floating tetrahedronal city for potential U.S.A use. With my associates I completed the design and study as well as a scaled-down model. The studies showed that the fabricating and operating costs were such that a floating city could sustain a high standard of living, yet be economically occupiable at a rental so low as to be just above that rated as the 'poverty' level by HUD authorities. The secretary of HUD sent the drawings, engineering studies, and economic analysis to the Secretary of the Navy, who ordered the Navy's Bureau of Ships to analyze the project for its 'water-worthiness.' stability, and organic capability. The Bureau of Ships verified all our calculations and found the design to be practical and 'water-worthy.' The Secretary of the Navy then sent the project to the US Navy's Bureau of Yards and Docks, where its fabrication and assembly procedures and cost were analyzed on a basis of the 'floating city' being built in a shipyard as are aircraft carriers and other vessels. The cost analysis of the Navy Department came out within 10 percent of our cost - which bore out its occupiability at rental just above the poverty class. ``At this point the city of Baltimore became interested in acquiring the first such floating city for anchorage just offshore in Chesapeake Bay, adjacent to Baltimore's waterfront. At this time President Lyndon Johnson's Democratic party went out of power. President Johnson took the model with him and installed it in his LBJ Texas library. The city of Baltimore's politicians went out of favor with the Nixon administration, and the whole project languished."

[CHE with an AK]

So if they are an independent "nation" with no treaties or laws governing them, then technically it wouldn't be illegal for a group of armed leftists to declare war on them - storm the place - and 'reappropriate' them of everything ...

good to know :)

[DaringMehring]

Peter Thiel is a chess player with a Master rating. I played him in a tournament once when I was a teenager with a mediocre rating and lost. Now I'm much stronger than I was then and I'm angry I lost to such a dick. Even at the board he was incredibly arrogant.

And yeah, these places already exist, they're called Bermuda, Jersey, Pacific Islands, etc.

They're just havens for capital to dodge taxes and hide from crimes. They cannot exist without the rest of the world. They're parasites despite any Galt-claims.

Maybe with their incredible wealth from plundering the rest of the world via capitalist exploitation, they'll be able to exist with even less law or regulation than Bermuda etc. Maybe they'll find that actually they need some kind of traditional laws. Either way, they prove nothing, because they're not isolated from the world. They're not hermetic self-contained societies. They're just another vehicle for the super-rich and their Imperialism.

Fuck Peter Thiel.

[Rafiq]

Yeah, proof of libertarianism's actuality.

They use the money the got from exploiting the proletariat to create a Utopian society, that of which will basically get everything imported from countries, and those countries get those goods via Imperialism.

So it's a pretty unfair experiment if you ask me, of course it will work!

[apawllo]

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[SHORAS]

A couple of people mentioned Dubai, an interesting little film on the place:

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[redhotpoker]

"Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of lat-of-the-sea treaties."....."no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."



Does anyone see these two points coming into conflict?

[CHE with an AK]

They're parasites despite any Galt-claims.
Maybe these trust-fund dickheads will use pages from Ayn Rand novels as currency?




Maybe with their incredible wealth from plundering the rest of the world via capitalist exploitation.
Since "Islamic terrorists" aren't safe anywhere in the world from killer drone attacks, then capitalist terrorists like these pigs shouldn't be safe anywhere in the world from leftist governments.

I'd donate $ to a Castro/Chavez/Morales initiative to hunt down these scum and "bring them to justice" :)

[CHE with an AK]

proof of libertarianism's actuality
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/24-types_of_libertarian.png

[CHE with an AK]

of course it will work!
Not if they stock the place with "true-believers" ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iJDPl-RpcMQ/TcVBXQKf96I/AAAAAAAACKk/raBujHNwg7Y/s1600/libertarians+are+crazy.jpg

[Misanthrope]

The United States of Mises.org

[CHE with an AK]

At least we get rid of some idiots meanwhile.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_r4RxAPvEduQ/TB1Qa6wxlDI/AAAAAAAAJ1A/YL0vzs8bKak/libertarians.jpg

[Nox]

The whole thing's a joke, I can't wait for it to fail.

[o well this is ok I guess]

not if they stock the place with "true-believers" ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ijdpl-rpcmq/tcvbxqkf96i/aaaaaaaackk/rabujhnwg7y/s1600/libertarians+are+crazy.jpg
oh god is that a tuxedo cat

oh god i love tuxedo cats

[Susurrus]

Not if they stock the place with "true-believers" ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iJDPl-RpcMQ/TcVBXQKf96I/AAAAAAAACKk/raBujHNwg7Y/s1600/libertarians+are+crazy.jpg

Fidel Castro in disguise(with an unloaded uzi, not much help when the pirates come a-knocking)?

[00000000000]

"no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons"

So, a group of impoverished nutters in ramshackle accomodation in the middle of the ocean shooting at one another.

Throw in a camera crew and you've got a hit

[Rss]

"no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons"

So, a group of impoverished nutters in ramshackle accomodation in the middle of the ocean shooting at one another.

Throw in a camera crew and you've got a hit

There's already a game about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink_%28video_game%29

[ckaihatsu]

"Thiel was ranked #365 on the Forbes 400 in 2010, with a net worth of US$1.5 billion. However, this number now underestimates his wealth as his Facebook share alone, at a 2010 valuation, is worth US$1.7 billion. Peter Thiel lives in San Francisco, California."


Can't anyone here *do something* about this injustice???!


= D