Dumbest argument I have heard yet

[The Man]

There is literally a Cappie that told me he believes that Marx "Created the Communist theory for fame, and left a hole in the philosophy that we cannot figure out."

Just thought i'd share that little bit of humour with you today.

[Mythbuster]

Wtf? Wow! That guy is clearly an asshole.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

He did it for the money. All that precious money he had.

[piet11111]

There is literally a Cappie that told me he believes that Marx "Created the Communist theory for fame, and left a hole in the philosophy that we cannot figure out."

Just thought i'd share that little bit of humour with you today.

So instead of a great mind with amazing insight into capitalism we instead have a superhuman troll of such spectacular genius that even by giving us 99.9% of communist theory we still lack the brainpower to fill in that little gap he left us and all that just for the LULZ ?

[gendoikari]

He did it for the money. All that precious money he had.

Yes because he was SO fucking rich when he died.... and throughout his life too. :rolleyes:

[Susurrus]

Yeah, Marx just a gangsta fo' da bling.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

False, Marx was Engels' puppet who was a British agent.

/thread.

[Rafiq]

Yeah Marx totally invented communism

[RedJanitor]

No No No! you got it all wrong. Communism was invented by the bankers and illuminati agents to manipulate the masses (aka. sheeple) into supporting the New World Order. duh! ;)

[Thirsty Crow]

So instead of a great mind with amazing insight into capitalism we instead have a superhuman troll of such spectacular genius that even by giving us 99.9% of communist theory we still lack the brainpower to fill in that little gap he left us and all that just for the LULZ ?
Well, in fact the plan Marx drew out for other writings dealing with wage labour, the state and the world market was not fulfilled. Das Kapital is what was fulfilled.
In fact, this idiotic argument was peddled by respectable philosphers, if I remember correctly, in Nicos Poulantzas' State, Power, Socialism it is stated that a German philosopher going by the name Glucksmann put forward a very similar argument (going along the lines of "Isn't it telling that Marx never got to write the planned book on the state"). Well, "argument", that is.

There's a whole plethora of interesting statements with regard to Marx and communism coming from the class enemy.

[Ocean Seal]

No No No! you got it all wrong. Communism was invented by the bankers and illuminati agents to manipulate the masses (aka. sheeple) into supporting the New World Order. duh! ;)
Yep, communism is the result of secret societies controlling us. Glenn Beck brigade assemble :D.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Yes because he was SO fucking rich when he died.... and throughout his life too. :rolleyes:
Sarcasm, meet gendoikari. Gendoikari, meet sarcasm.

[gendoikari]

Sarcasm, meet gendoikari. Gendoikari, meet sarcasm.

I know you were being sarcastic, so was I.

[pluckedflowers]

"The nature of bourgeois economy made it possible for Hegel to believe this seriously. But when the true nature of bourgeois economy had been analysed by Marx, as a dominating relation over men through ownership of the means of social labour and individual livelihood, how could this naive bourgeois attitude persist? Only by vilifying Marx, by always attacking him violently without explaining his views, and by continuing to teach, preach and practise the old bourgeois theory. It was then that the bourgeois illusion became the bourgeois lie, a conscious deception festering at the heart of bourgeois culture."

-Christopher Caudwell (http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/marxists/archive/caudwell/1935/pacifism-violence.htm)

[Nox]

No No No! you got it all wrong. Communism was invented by the bankers and illuminati agents to manipulate the masses (aka. sheeple) into supporting the New World Order. duh! ;)

Really? I heard it was invented by the Bolsheviks who were all Jews (OMFG CONSPIRACY) and it's part of an evil Zionist Jew conspiracy to destroy the glory of the Aryan race by implementing Obama's healthcare bill!!!!

[piet11111]

Well, in fact the plan Marx drew out for other writings dealing with wage labour, the state and the world market was not fulfilled. Das Kapital is what was fulfilled.

I know marx died before he could finish his work my post was not being serious but intended as a reply to the guy in the OP The man was talking about.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Disregard the proletariat
:marx:
Make Money.

[Eleftherios]

There is literally a Cappie that told me he believes that Marx "Created the Communist theory for fame, and left a hole in the philosophy that we cannot figure out."

Just thought i'd share that little bit of humour with you today.

*sigh* that's why I don't get into an argument with every capitalist i see. OK, a few of them are smart enough to hold a semi-decent conversation, but those are an endangered species. Others, like the guy you are talking to, are about as able to argue about communism and capitalism as an average chimp.

[Judicator]

*sigh* that's why I don't get into an argument with every capitalist i see. OK, a few of them are smart enough to hold a semi-decent conversation, but those are an endangered species. Others, like the guy you are talking to, are about as able to argue about communism and capitalism as an average chimp.

Marxists seem like more of an endangered species, given the number of Communist countries, or the number of Marxists who are taken seriously in economics departments (probably 0 lol).

[RGacky3]

or the number of Marxists who are taken seriously in economics departments (probably 0 lol).

You mean outside of the US? Or in the US. Because in countries where you don't have economics professors that are allowed to get cushy "consultant" jobs (basically bribery), you'll find a lot more.

[Judicator]

You mean outside of the US? Or in the US. Because in countries where you don't have economics professors that are allowed to get cushy "consultant" jobs (basically bribery), you'll find a lot more.

Economics professors aren't allowed to be consultants outside the US?

I'm talking about English speaking economists. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/20/books/the-wide-wide-world-of-wealth.html?pagewanted=3&src=pm

[RGacky3]

Economics professors aren't allowed to be consultants outside the US?


Many countries have laws to stop professors having conflicts of interests.

[Tim Cornelis]

Marxists seem like more of an endangered species, given the number of Communist countries, or the number of Marxists who are taken seriously in economics departments (probably 0 lol).

Yes, because the number of people that advocate a particular theory is a legitimate argument.

There are, by the way, numerous contemporary Marxist economists--which tells us zero about the validity of Marxist economics, for the record.

EDIT: The number of communist countries throughout the world has been steadily zero, which against tells us nothing about the validity of communism.

[StoneFrog]

Communism created Marx not the other way around.

[Thirsty Crow]

Marxists seem like more of an endangered species, given the number of Communist countries, or the number of Marxists who are taken seriously in economics departments (probably 0 lol).Well, it would be pretty disturbing if the bourgeois economists were to take certain Marxists seriously, since what Marxists are concerned with does not have anything to do with coming up with the best way to manage global capitalism.

Oh yeah, here's another idiotic argument for you, "lulz, no one in the economics department of the academia takes Marxism seriously, lulz".
Well ain't that right, Mr. Sherlock.

[RGacky3]

Actually Marxist ideas (they won't call it marxism) are pretty prevelant in buisiness manegement type classes, variable cost, non variable cost, labor management and so on. Obviously its used for the opposite purpose that Marx intended it for, but non the less.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Yep While he was alive he was extremely popular

Millionaire and theorist.

[piet11111]

Roubini takes marx seriously now.

[Judicator]

Many countries have laws to stop professors having conflicts of interests.

How does consulting for a third party violate the interests of the university? Do you have a specific example?



Well, it would be pretty disturbing if the bourgeois economists were to take certain Marxists seriously, since what Marxists are concerned with does not have anything to do with coming up with the best way to manage global capitalism.

Oh yeah, here's another idiotic argument for you, "lulz, no one in the economics department of the academia takes Marxism seriously, lulz".
Well ain't that right, Mr. Sherlock.

Somewhat similar to the argument "lulz nobody in the biology department takes creationism seriously."

Well, it would be pretty disturbing if the evolutionists were to take certain Creationists seriously, since what Creationists are concerned with does not have anything to do with coming up with the best way to explain the origins of life.

[RGacky3]

How does consulting for a third party violate the interests of the university? Do you have a specific example?


If you have a professor that has a high paid side job for say ... the heratige foundation, or say ... Goldman Sachs, you don't see that as a conflict of interest, like when he's discussion the banking industry?

[Thirsty Crow]

Somewhat similar to the argument "lulz nobody in the biology department takes creationism seriously."

Well, it would be pretty disturbing if the evolutionists were to take certain Creationists seriously, since what Creationists are concerned with does not have anything to do with coming up with the best way to explain the origins of life.
That's true in fact. Creationists do not intend to provide solely a viable explanation of the origin of life, but also, and most importantly, to reinforce the social power of religion. The discourse has specific effects as its aim, and in this respect, biology, creationism, mmainstream economics and Marxism do not differ at all. However, they differ in the nature of the mentioned effects to be produced, and that's where the idiocy of "nobody takes Marxism seriously" comes from, from the failure to recognize this fact.

Oh yeah, and I don't think I have to call you out on your weak and baseless analogy, even if it's implicit, between Marxism and creationism, as far as their grip on the concrete and empirical goes.
Or would you like to present evidence of Marxist critique of political economy as religious drivel?


If you have a professor that has a high paid side job for say ... the heratige foundation, or say ... Goldman Sachs, you don't see that as a conflict of interest, like when he's discussion the banking industry?
Just give up. I don't think judicator is capable of conceving the situation of conflicting interests.