Tendency and location

[Fulanito de Tal]

What's your tendency and where do you live?

[Susurrus]

I was rather torn between anarchy and communism because I'm both...

[Nox]

We're all Communists here so I think Anarchy and Authoritarianism would have been better options.

[Jolly Red Giant]

We're all Communists here so I think Anarchy and Authoritarianism would have been better options.
Not surprising a Hoxhaist would plump for Authoritarianism

How about

Anarchist
Democratic socialist
Stalinist/Maoist/Hoxhaist

[Susurrus]

Don't forget leninists and trots/

[electro_fan]

lol. this poll is rubbish

[Nox]

Not surprising a Hoxhaist would plump for Authoritarianism

How about

Anarchist
Democratic socialist
Marxist-Leninist/Maoist/Hoxhaist

Fix'd

If you've ever seen the political compass, along the left side is Communism, the top half of that is Authoritarianism and the bottom half of that is Libertarianism, which is why I think Authoritarianism and Anarchism would be better options.

[Kamos]

I voted Europe and Communism, the poll's weaknesses notwithstanding.

[Susurrus]

Fix'd

If you've ever seen the political compass, along the left side is Communism, the top half of that is Authoritarianism and the bottom half of that is Libertarianism, which is why I think Authoritarianism and Anarchism would be better options.

Authoritarianism and Libertarianism would be better, so the left coms and council coms have somewhere to go.

[Ocean Seal]

The options should have been libertarian and authoritarian, or more specifically anarchist, left-comm, trotskyist, ML.

[Nox]

The options should have been libertarian and authoritarian, or more specifically anarchist, left-comm, trotskyist, ML.

Even better, Marxist-Leninist or Counter-Revolutionary.































Just kidding :laugh:

[Fulanito de Tal]

This is the worst poll I have ever seen in my life.

[Pretty Flaco]

leftist positions are a little more complex than either being "anarchist" or "authoritarian"

[o well this is ok I guess]

Maybe we should just all agree that such a thing cannot be adequately expressed through a poll.

[Sensible Socialist]

What's your tendency and where do you live?
You forgot that the people of Revleft like to divide themselves into thousands of catagories based on the view of vanguards, favorite cheese, and the best time to look at stars. I demand more poll options.

[o well this is ok I guess]

You forgot that the people of Revleft like to divide themselves into thousands of catagories based on the view of vanguards, favorite cheese, and the best time to look at stars. I demand more poll options. Gouda has proven itself to be superior form of cheese. any Cheeses other than it, though cheesey, are not the most perfect expression of cheese.
We need no cheese-revisionism.

[Pretty Flaco]

Gouda has proven itself to be superior form of cheese. any Cheeses other than it, though cheesey, are not the most perfect expression of cheese.
We need no cheese-revisionism.

american cheese is tasty and all other forms of cheese are not tasty and are also members of the bourgeoisie

[La Peur Rouge]

They're not mutually exclusive so this is kind of pointless.


Gouda has proven itself to be superior form of cheese.

Reactionary...

[Agent Ducky]

american cheese is tasty and all other forms of cheese are not tasty and are also members of the bourgeoisie
If that's how cheese class analysis works, send me to OI. American cheese is NASTY.

[o well this is ok I guess]

american cheese is tasty and all other forms of cheese are not tasty and are also members of the bourgeoisie American Cheese: an Infantile Dis-hors d'oeuvre

[Agent Ducky]

Also, this might just be the Spell Cheka in me, but am I the only one slightly bugged by the fact that they put "Anarchy" instead of "Anarchism" I don't say "My tendency is ANARCHY!" That's just weird.

[aplparks]

Not surprising a Hoxhaist would plump for Authoritarianism

How about

Anarchist
Democratic socialist
Stalinist/Maoist/Hoxhaist

Or perhaps

Stalinist/Maoist/Hoxhaist
Defeat

[Crux]

stalinist/maoist/hoxhaist/defeat? clever. Let me be the first to object to "Europe", as there certainly are som diffrences beteween west, east, north south and central europe.

[hatzel]

Also, this might just be the Spell Cheka in me, but am I the only one slightly bugged by the fact that they put "Anarchy" instead of "Anarchism" I don't say "My tendency is ANARCHY!" That's just weird.

Believe it or not, I was actually going to praise Fully for putting 'anarchy,' rather than 'anarchism,' so that I can be all "I ain't subscribing to no -ism, ya hear?" :)

[PhoenixAsh]

Thats just your oppositionism speaking :cool:

In any case...

Expanding this pol to accurately reflect each tendency would make it horribly long and complicated....especially because we try to not only factor in tendency but also location. And since I have yet to see a poll option which measures them seperately I can think of at least 10 more or less valid options per continent. Making the poll quite long indeed.

[Sentinel]

If I wanted to make a poll like this, I would define the main tendencies of revolutionary leftism -- from the 'left' to the 'right', as I perceive them, although I guess that is highly debatable -- as follows: insurrectionary anarchism (including lifestylist, green etc anarchism), class war anarchism (syndicalism, platformism etc), left communism, trotskyism and stalinism (including maoism)/post-stalinism.

Of these the class war anarchists, left communists and trotskyists, in my opinion obviously, form the sensible 'centre position' within the movement, upholding the ideas of democratic socialism without falling into either the traps of ultraleftism or authoritarianism.

I'm not sure what the correct, non-offensive collective term would be for the last group, ie anti-revisionists and revisionists as a stalinist would say, thus by revisionist meaning people who uphold the USSR after Stalin, under Kruchev Breznev etc -- also known as 'tankies'.

I obviously disagree with their own choice 'marxist-leninists' since it in my opinion more accurately descibes us, the trotskyists, that it excludes. For me as a trotskyist, they're all 'stalinists' ie supporters of the bureacratic system that Stalin installed, but of course it's a bit more complicated if you look at it from their own pov..

Anyhow I want to stress that this is my personal opinion which many won't agree with, and which I'm not sure I have the will or energy to debate indepth either as everyone has their own definitions they won't give up and as I have more pressing issues to attend to.

But generally, it's almost impossible to make a poll like this here without someone complaining.

[Forward Union]

If I wanted to make a poll like this, I would define the main tendencies of revolutionary leftism -- from the 'left' to the 'right', as I perceive them, although I guess that is highly debatable -- as follows: insurrectionary anarchism (including lifestylist, green etc anarchism), class war anarchism (syndicalism, platformism etc), left communism, trotskyism and stalinism (including maoism)/post-stalinism.

Of these the class war anarchists, left communists and trotskyists, in my opinion obviously, form the sensible 'centre position' within the movement, upholding the ideas of democratic socialism without falling into either the traps of ultraleftism or authoritarianism.

I'm not sure what the correct, non-offensive collective term would be for the last group, ie anti-revisionists and revisionists as a stalinist would say, thus by revisionist meaning people who uphold the USSR after Stalin, under Kruchev Breznev etc -- also known as 'tankies'.

I obviously disagree with their own choice 'marxist-leninists' since it in my opinion more accurately descibes us, the trotskyists, that it excludes. For me as a trotskyist, they're all 'stalinists' ie supporters of the bureacratic system that Stalin installed, but of course it's a bit more complicated if you look at it from their own pov..

Anyhow I want to stress that this is my personal opinion which many won't agree with, and which I'm not sure I have the will or energy to debate indepth either as everyone has their own definitions they won't give up and as I have more pressing issues to attend to.

But generally, it's almost impossible to make a poll like this here without someone complaining.

Just wanted to say that Syndicalism is not related to Anarchism. I have to be one of the ones who complains I'm afraid :lol:

Trotskyism is only "in the middle" if you set your paramaters to make it such. If you measured things differently, to include post-left anarchism, and individualism on one side, and Stalinism on the other, Anarchist-Communism would find itself somewhere in-between. If we take all political opinions in the world, Keynesian Social-Democracy is probably quite close to the centre. But defining an ideology as "in the middle" isn't enough to justify it. The 'Anarcho'-Sydnicalism of the CGT Spain variety, is far more pragmatic than some Trot sects here in the UK, and makes them look rather ultra-left in comparison. It is possible to take 'further left' positions and not fall into ultra-left Moralism.

I don't happen to think Anarchism is 'further left' than Trotskyism, it is simply a different political strategy - though both ideologies are explicitly partyist. Something I don't consider practical in modern Britain.

[Cynic]

North America and Anarchism :thumbup1:

[ellipsis]

MOVED to chit chat.

[Olentzero]

I am in Europe and a Communist, according to the restrictive definitions of the poll, but I am not a Eurocommunist.
Spell ChekaI should give you rep for this wonderful little gem and then take it away again because I'm completely jealous I didn't think of it first. What I will do instead is steal it.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

You forgot that the people of Revleft like to divide themselves into thousands of catagories based on the view of vanguards, favorite cheese, and the best time to look at stars. I demand more poll options.

:lol:

Indeed, seemed like such a straight forward thread/poll.

NA-Communism.

[Obs]

I should give you rep for this wonderful little gem
That joke is older than fire.

[Johnny Kerosene]

This is the worst poll I have ever seen in my life.

I like how you started this poll, then said that.

At least it's better than all those polls that Triple A posted. Those were fucking terrible.

[Olentzero]

That joke is older than fire.If it isn't older than dirt, it's entirely new to me.

[Angry Young Man]

You forgot that the people of Revleft like to divide themselves into thousands of catagories based on the view of vanguards, favorite cheese, and the best time to look at stars. I demand more poll options.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that Leon Trotsky did not clearly state that the best cheese is St Agur and the best time for stargazing is 3am, when the moon has gone in but it's far from Dawn? Typical fucking SWP'er

[bietan jarrai]

Communist (Marxist-Leninist), Europe.

[Agent Ducky]

Believe it or not, I was actually going to praise Fully for putting 'anarchy,' rather than 'anarchism,' so that I can be all "I ain't subscribing to no -ism, ya hear?" :)

That gives me some sort of idea for something..... XD
"FUCK '-isms' WE WANT ANARCHY!!!!!!"
"You do know there's Anarchism, right?"
"..........."

[Agent Ducky]

I like how you started this poll, then said that.

At least it's better than all those polls that Triple A posted. Those were fucking terrible.
Agreed. Especially the one where he was like "Who is the best maker of polls?"

[Buitraker]

Anarchy

And i live in Basque Country

[Magón]

FOR ANARCHY!!!!!!!


North America.

[Sam_b]

1. What the fuck is 'Europe'? Is it some sort of homogenous entity?

2. Why the hell do you care?

You might as well have made a poll with the option 'world: leftist' the amount of use this thread is. Jesus, where do we find you people?

[Olentzero]

Dang, Sam, ease up. This is the Chit-Chat section, after all. Perfectly harmless bull session.

[Kamos]

Dang, Sam, ease up. This is the Chit-Chat section, after all. Perfectly harmless bull session.

He's like this all the time. Ignore him.

[CynicalIdealist]

If that's how cheese class analysis works, send me to OI. American cheese is NASTY.

American cheese is imperialist.

[Olentzero]

He's like this all the time. Ignore him.I know him pretty well and no he isn't, so knock off the petty personal potshots.
American cheese is imperialist.And, like the American economy, it's oil-based.

[Agent Equality]

I know him pretty well and no he isn't, so knock off .

I'm sorry, but every post i've seen him make is like that or in a tone similar to that. You'll have to do better.

and The Italian master cheeses destroy all - mozzarella, parmesan, provlone, asiago, romano.

[Agent Ducky]

American cheese is imperialist.
I concur immensely.

I'm sorry, but every post i've seen him make is like that or in a tone similar to that. You'll have to do better.

^this.


and The Italian master cheeses destroy all - mozzarella, parmesan, provlone, asiago, romano.
Do I sense NATIONALISM right there? REACTIONARY!

[Jazzratt]

1. What the fuck is 'Europe'? Is it some sort of homogenous entity? It's not like Europe is the only non-homogenous entity to get treated as such - Africa, East Asia, South America and West & South Asia are all pretty heterogenous areas too. Hell, the only places on this poll that can really be argued to be basically homogenous entities are North America (yeah I know it contains the US and Canada and there are some minor differences and blah-de-fucking-blach) and Australia.

[Obs]

North America (yeah I know it contains the US and Canada
And Mexico, and Honduras, and El Salvador, and Belize, and Panama, and Costa Rica, and Cuba, and Guatemala, and Antigua and Barbuda, and...

I'm with you on your point btw just pointing out that North America is too often equated with the anglophone part of it.

[Jazzratt]

And Mexico, and Honduras, and El Salvador, and Belize, and Panama, and Costa Rica, and Cuba, and Guatemala, and Antigua and Barbuda, and...

I'm with you on your point btw just pointing out that North America is too often equated with the anglophone part of it. Ah true enough. I kind of thought that "central" America was a different entity/more often folded into the south - sloppy geography on my part.