The Human Side of Nazis.

[Susurrus]

It's really strange to remember that these people were humans and lived like everybody else in some ways. Thought provoking.

http://izismile.com/2010/07/13/adolf_hitler_unpublished_photos_39_pics.html

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/b/be/Little_horse.jpg

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/9/9a/Nazis_with_Kitten.JPG

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/6/6e/Wheel_barrow_a.jpg

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/b/bc/Pram.jpg

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/5/50/Snow_fight.jpg

[Apoi_Viitor]

Oh, the banality of evil.

[Susurrus]

Little Eichmanns.

[#FF0000]

li'l eichmanns

[Susurrus]

Though would Hitler apply as a little Eichmann? That's an interesting philosophical question...:blink:

[LegendZ]

It's easy to get caught up in the bad side of people. It's important to remember that...they are people.

[Fopeos]

Those dudes probably ate that kitten shortly after that photo was taken. Seriously though, people are people. I've always felt that nazi Germany brought out the worst in those who believed in it's ideology. It was also a mechanism that pushed the most ruthless into leadership positions. It was like a machine that built murderers. Humans are capable of doing great good and great harm to one another.

[thefinalmarch]

So yeah I read the comments section of that page and my faith in humanity waned a little bit more.

[La Comédie Noire]

They were human too each other, but not to those they displaced and killed. That's one of the worst things about class society, the "othering" it imposes on people. Writing off whole universes of complexity and emotions as extraneous and even harmful.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'll have to admit, the one with the kitten made me tear up a little. I struggle to find words.

EDIT just realised the guy in the middle is holding a dandelion, which just adds to the effect.

[RedSquare]

People are people, they do what they're told. If eventually a message is bombarded over and over again then it sticks and people can actually believe it's right.

Of course the higher ups who oversaw the policy were simply careerists. I remember evidence that Reinhard Heydrich, one of the main architects of the final solution, and Himmler didn't even believe in the extermination of the Jews, but it was expedient to do so and career wise to follow orders.

[noble brown]

http:// http://www.prisonexp.org (http://www.prisonexp.org)

This is a famous social experimen that shows the power of situational forces. Another good one is the milgram experiments also. Our environment lays a 50/50 role with our individual dispositions to determine our actions. Capitalism focuses on our own individual responsibility but never the reverse, the responsibility that society has to the individual. This is a cultural paradigm shift that is key to the revolutiinary process. Social psychology provides the scientific basis for the advancement of our social understanding.
thinking that the nazis were just evil individuals is an example of what's called fatal attribution (disorder) don't worry everyone does it everyday. When itsus in the ringer we blame enviromentsl forces when its someone else then its cause they are just evil, dumb or whatever ppl.

[Nox]

To be honest these people look like ordinary Germans who don't really give a shit about National Socialism or the war, they just want to have fun and get on with their lives.

[Tommy4ever]

WHAT? Germans are PEOPLE?

[Ocean Seal]

Well I read the thread (on the link), and I'm surprised, it took a whole sixteen comments for someone to get to the Jews control the media crap.

On this though, I really have to say that even the enemy is composed of people. It is truly fascism which is evil, not the rank and file soldier. That being said for all their humanity, I'm glad Stalin did what he had to do.

[Book O'Dead]

I'll have to admit, the one with the kitten made me tear up a little. I struggle to find words.

EDIT just realised the guy in the middle is holding a dandelion, which just adds to the effect.

My first impulse in response to the guy with the dandelion was a strong desire to shoot it out of his hand, to miss the shot and wind up putting a hole in his head. But hey, that's just me.

Seriously, though, I recommend watching the film "The Architecture of Doom". It explains about the esthetics of Nazism:

http://firstrunfeatures.com/architectureofdoomdvd.html

[Il Medico]

To be honest these people look like ordinary Germans who don't really give a shit about National Socialism or the war, they just want to have fun and get on with their lives.
Except, a number of those guys pictured are SS men (in fact I think all the dudes with the kitten are SS). The SS was a special, ideologically indoctrinated force in Nazi Germany, responsible for some of the most heinous crimes during the war. Those men holding flowers, smiling, and playing with a kitten probably some where down the line after, or perhaps even before that picture was taken committed unspeakable crimes against humanity. And that's really is the point, there is no such thing as "ordinary ______s". Even SS men, often considered the epitome of evil, were still human. The world and the people in it are never as black and white as we make them out to be.

[Susurrus]

Except, a number of those guys pictured are SS men (in fact I think all the dudes with the kitten are SS). The SS was a special, ideologically indoctrinated force in Nazi Germany, responsible for some of the most heinous crimes during the war. Those men holding flowers, smiling, and playing with a kitten probably some where down the line after, or perhaps even before that picture was taken committed unspeakable crimes against humanity. And that's really is the point, there is no such thing as "ordinary ______s". Even SS men, often considered the epitome of evil, were still human. The world and the people in it are never as black and white as we make them out to be.

Well, there's an argument going around that the Waffen SS, the military part of it, was completely separate from the part that committed the heinous crimes. I don't entirely buy it myself, but it's something to think about.

[Sasha]

Those dudes probably ate that kitten shortly after that photo was taken. Seriously though, people are people. I've always felt that nazi Germany brought out the worst in those who believed in it's ideology. It was also a mechanism that pushed the most ruthless into leadership positions. It was like a machine that built murderers. Humans are capable of doing great good and great harm to one another.


well, maybe not eat the kitten but part of the elite SS training was that they where given an german shepherd puppy to hand rear but during their last training they would have to kill their dog.

[Susurrus]

well, maybe not eat the kitten but part of the elite SS training was that they where given an german shepherd puppy to hand rear but during their last training they would have to kill their dog.

I'm afraid that's an urban myth. Besides, Nazis love dogs.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp94eaZhEL1qk1j9vo1_500.jpg

http://hotona.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hitler-nazi-dog-army-2.jpg

http://hollywoodprop.com/hitlerandblondie1.jpg

http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/8.l_do10.jpg

Unfortunately, they also use them for evil.

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nazi-dogs.png

[Il Medico]

I'm afraid that's an urban myth. Besides, Nazis love dogs.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp94eaZhEL1qk1j9vo1_500.jpg



That dog is so fucking cute.:tt1: I wish my Shepard would wear hats...:(

[Jazzratt]

That dog is so fucking cute.:tt1: I wish my Shepard would wear hats...:( Got a lot of Nazi hats lying around have we, eh?

[Susurrus]

http://isitfunny.com/content/pictures/Communist_Dog.jpg
http://www.funz.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Ever-Seen-A-Communist-Dog.jpg
http://www.pointsincase.com/files/u2/lazy-communist-dog.jpg
http://jack.codotlab.com/files/2010/06/commie1.jpeg
http://www.pointsincase.com/files/images/communist-dog.jpg

[Il Medico]

Got a lot of Nazi hats lying around have we, eh?
...No, but I have a fez. My dog would look adorable in a fez.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

My first impulse in response to the guy with the dandelion was a strong desire to shoot it out of his hand, to miss the shot and wind up putting a hole in his head. But hey, that's just me.

I find it hard to feel murderous towards someone playing with a flower and a kitten, even if they're wearing an SS uniform. I blame my mirror neurons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron).

[La Comédie Noire]

Truly human empathy is a gift that can't be extinguished by a horrible system. You can read of many accounts of individual acts of heroism and resistance under the Third Reich.

Now when people use those individual acts to justify systematic terror by saying "it wasn't that bad" it's wrong.

[gendoikari]

Oh, the banality of evil.

actually hitler didn't even receive half the vote, german "democracy at the time was "who gets the most votes wins" type and there were three candidates including hitler. So it's not fair to characterize all german soldiers as Nazi's, they weren't they were germans. Forced to do what most of them likely didn't want to do. But defend their homeland and obey they did. So at most You could just call them guilty of complicity.

[gendoikari]

Unfortunately, they also use them for evil.

supposedly, the SS trainee's were given a german shepard puppy at the beginning of their training and at the end, one of the final tests was to kill the dog with bare hands. Don't know if this was an urban legend, or true. or somewhere in between.

[Rooster]

supposedly, the SS trainee's were given a german shepard puppy at the beginning of their training and at the end, one of the final tests was to kill the dog with bare hands. Don't know if this was an urban legend, or true. or somewhere in between.

lol did you not read the thread?


well, maybe not eat the kitten but part of the elite SS training was that they where given an german shepherd puppy to hand rear but during their last training they would have to kill their dog.


I'm afraid that's an urban myth. Besides, Nazis love dogs.

Also, Germany was one of the first countries to have animal rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_protection_in_Nazi_Germany

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/AnimalRightsNaziGermany.jpg

[Susurrus]

supposedly, the SS trainee's were given a german shepard puppy at the beginning of their training and at the end, one of the final tests was to kill the dog with bare hands. Don't know if this was an urban legend, or true. or somewhere in between.

Lol, the post I was responding to with those pics was saying the exact same thing. Rest assured it's an urban myth.

[28350]

the nazis were indisputably human


supposedly, the SS trainee's were given a german shepard puppy at the beginning of their training and at the end, one of the final tests was to kill the dog with bare hands. Don't know if this was an urban legend, or true. or somewhere in between.

yeah i'm pretty sure something exactly like this was discussed earlier in the thread

[gendoikari]

Lol, the post I was responding to with those pics was saying the exact same thing. Rest assured it's an urban myth.

That's good. I can't imagine the evil it would take for an entire police force, no matter how brutal to be able to do that.

[Jazzratt]

That's good. I can't imagine the evil it would take for an entire police force, no matter how brutal to be able to do that. You know that they were part of a mechanism for hunting down and murdering jews, right? I mean I like dogs as much as the next man but in comparison to the holocaust killing a few dogs is several orders of magnitude less brutal.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/9/9a/Nazis_with_Kitten.JPG


Placing a grenade beside a kitten? No, no, no, no, no, you're right, this is the human side of the Nazis.

[gendoikari]

You know that they were part of a mechanism for hunting down and murdering jews, right? I mean I like dogs as much as the next man but in comparison to the holocaust killing a few dogs is several orders of magnitude less brutal.

It's not that they were killing dogs. It's that they would essentially be growing to love something, told it was to be their best friend, and then just strangle it. It takes a whole different kind of person to do that then just follow out orders to kill someone you never met. It'd be like killing a relative, with no emotion. Granted both are evil but one is a bit more of a psychopath than the other. I wouldn't mind taking on the later but the former, that's a different story.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Placing a grenade beside a kitten? No, no, no, no, no, you're right, this is the human side of the Nazis.

If that grenade (if that's what it is) were in any state other than safe, I would think that the three trained soldiers in the picture would be taking cover, not going gooey over the kitten beside it.

[Thirsty Crow]

That's good. I can't imagine the evil it would take for an entire police force, no matter how brutal to be able to do that.
Since when has it become fashionable among revolutionaries to speak in metaphysical terms?

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

If that grenade (if that's what it is) were in any state other than safe, I would think that the three trained soldiers in the picture would be taking cover, not going gooey over the kitten beside it.

Meh, still, odd pic. I also was joking, I think it's a grenade, what it looks like.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Meh, still, odd pic. I also was joking, I think it's a grenade, what it looks like.

It looks a bit small, but I guess they come in different sizes.

[gendoikari]

Since when has it become fashionable among revolutionaries to speak in metaphysical terms?

60's?

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://fire-eyes.org/gal/d/35188-3/hammerzeit_.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TaWn3qQlT3w/SwU5jSHaRGI/AAAAAAAAAVY/N66giJiTuQg/s400/6a00d8341c858253ef00e5501b98fe8833-640wi.jpg





Though they are funny, they dont generate any real fondness. but, regular wehrmacht/heer/kriegsmarine/luftwaffe types are not the same as waffen ss types. even then though. still nazis.

[Salyut]

Well, there's an argument going around that the Waffen SS, the military part of it, was completely separate from the part that committed the heinous crimes. I don't entirely buy it myself, but it's something to think about.

Its a silly revisionist argument. The review of Smelser and Davies gives a brief overview. I'll see if I can find some sources available to you folks without JSTOR access. (http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/caj/documents/vol_11/iss_2/CAJ_Vol11.2_26_e.pdf)

This is also worth a look. (http://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068) The APL blog reviewed it - and it is a pretty good overview. (http://theredphoenixapl.org/2010/11/19/review-of-%E2%80%9Cordinary-men-reserve-police-battalion-101-and-the-final-solution-in-poland%E2%80%9D/)

[Nox]

Except, a number of those guys pictured are SS men (in fact I think all the dudes with the kitten are SS). The SS was a special, ideologically indoctrinated force in Nazi Germany, responsible for some of the most heinous crimes during the war. Those men holding flowers, smiling, and playing with a kitten probably some where down the line after, or perhaps even before that picture was taken committed unspeakable crimes against humanity. And that's really is the point, there is no such thing as "ordinary ______s". Even SS men, often considered the epitome of evil, were still human. The world and the people in it are never as black and white as we make them out to be.

Fair enough, didn't realise their uniform was SS.

[The Man]

It does shock me to see photos like these.. It really is amazing to look at the human side of some of the biggest mass murderers of all time.:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/SsG1t8K5GlI/AAAAAAAAFmM/15E-iQzLywk/s1600/hitler-goebbels-child.jpeg
http://geostorm.org/news/pic/2008_02_hitler_and_unknownChildren.jpg
http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/aa-Adolf-Hitler-surrounded-by-children.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01612/helgaandhitler_1612425c.jpg
http://img.audiovis.nac.gov.pl/PIC/PIC_2-13525.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkrcmyj3oe1qiw762o1_500.jpg

[Nox]

It does shock me to see photos like these.. It really is amazing to look at the human side of some of the biggest mass murderers of all time.:

Yes, most definitely...



























http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20090515-sanderstrotsky.jpg

[The Man]

Yes, most definitely...






http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20090515-sanderstrotsky.jpg


Congratulations. You literally just made my day. :laugh:

[Coach Trotsky]

Yes, most definitely...




























http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20090515-sanderstrotsky.jpg
I guess your sneaky icepick doesn't have a thing on the eternal finger lickin' good revolutionary legacy of Trotsky! Better recognize! :lol:

[Rusty Shackleford]

CcKX0L2xIX4

[Salyut]

CcKX0L2xIX4

The church scene is probably one of the most fucked up movie bits I've ever seen.

[Thirsty Crow]

60's?
Shit, been a long time.
Purges in the rhetorical department necessary.

[gendoikari]

It does shock me to see photos like these.. It really is amazing to look at the human side of some of the biggest mass murderers of all time.:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/SsG1t8K5GlI/AAAAAAAAFmM/15E-iQzLywk/s1600/hitler-goebbels-child.jpeg
http://geostorm.org/news/pic/2008_02_hitler_and_unknownChildren.jpg
http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/aa-Adolf-Hitler-surrounded-by-children.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01612/helgaandhitler_1612425c.jpg
http://img.audiovis.nac.gov.pl/PIC/PIC_2-13525.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkrcmyj3oe1qiw762o1_500.jpg

Yeah see when hitler himself is in the photo all I can see is a white hot rage to put a .45acp slug in his nuts and a 9mm in his head.

[Susurrus]

CcKX0L2xIX4

WHat movie is that?


Also, here's an article about an Irish soldier who saved Hitler's life just after WWI: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revealed-how-an-irish-soldier-saved-hitlers-life-2286637.html

[Gustav HK]

Pictures of Hitler with children don´t have the same charm as Stalin with children.

[Bandito]

I don't get the point of this thread.

[Susurrus]

Pictures of Hitler with children don´t have the same charm as Stalin with children.

I don't think there are any pictures of Stalin with children besides his own. Just propaganda posters.

[Viva Revolution!]

There's a famous experiment, by Milgram, on obedience.
it claims why the nazi's were so compliant, and how the situation can influence behaviour. Look it up, it's quite interesting :)
http://www.holah.karoo.net/milgramstudy.htm

[praxis1966]

If that grenade (if that's what it is) were in any state other than safe, I would think that the three trained soldiers in the picture would be taking cover, not going gooey over the kitten beside it.

It is a grenade. It's the M39 model (http://www.inert-ord.net/ger03a/gerhgr/m39/index.html) which most people aren't used to seeing because the "stick" grenade is much more prevalent in popular culture for whatever reason.


I don't get the point of this thread.

I don't either. Tons of folks going on about the differences between the Wermacht and the Waffen SS but nobody's acknowledging the fact that of all the accounts I've read of Operation Barbarossa and the Battle of Stalingrad in particular (which is quite a bit considering I've read about 2,000 pages worth of literature on the military history of World War II, including a 500 page work on the Battle of Stalingrad alone), it was the Wermact perpetrating the overwhelming bulk of the atrocities against the civilian populace of western Russia. Say what you want about "following orders," but I think there's something to be said for disobeying them even if the consequences are summary execution. I mean, these are the same people who fed POWs so poorly in the Stalingrad kessel that the prisoners were forced to resort to cannibalism for chrissakes... wtf

[Susurrus]

I don't either. Tons of folks going on about the differences between the Wermacht and the Waffen SS but nobody's acknowledging the fact that of all the accounts I've read of Operation Barbarossa and the Battle of Stalingrad in particular, it was the Wermact perpetrating the overwhelming bulk of the atrocities against the civilian populace of western Russia. Say what you want about "following orders," but I think there's something to be said for disobeying them even if the consequences are summary execution. I mean, these are the same people who fed POWs so poorly in the Stalingrad kessel that the prisoners were forced to resort to cannibalism for chrissakes... wtf

I meant this thread to contrast that these are the same people who did that sort of thing. I idly mentioned that the Waffen SS theory existed(and that I didn't buy into it) and a couple people responded to that. Hardly "tons of folks going on."

[praxis1966]

I meant this thread to contrast that these are the same people who did that sort of thing. I idly mentioned that the Waffen SS theory existed(and that I didn't buy into it) and a couple people responded to that. Hardly "tons of folks going on."

Fair enough, and perhaps my verbiage is a little emotional, but I kind of find it hard to believe that I feel the need to remind people of this sort of thing on a leftist forum...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It is a grenade. It's the M39 model (http://www.inert-ord.net/ger03a/gerhgr/m39/index.html) which most people aren't used to seeing because the "stick" grenade is much more prevalent in popular culture for whatever reason.

It just seemed a bit on the small side; I suppose I'm more used to seeing modern grenades which seem to be larger for some reason.

[Agent Ducky]

It's not that they were killing dogs. It's that they would essentially be growing to love something, told it was to be their best friend, and then just strangle it. It takes a whole different kind of person to do that then just follow out orders to kill someone you never met. It'd be like killing a relative, with no emotion. Granted both are evil but one is a bit more of a psychopath than the other. I wouldn't mind taking on the later but the former, that's a different story.

It's like incinerating the Weighted Companion Cube..... :crying:

[Susurrus]

It's like incinerating the Weighted Companin Cube..... :crying:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rb0w-3YVp9E/TbX93Azm1gI/AAAAAAAAAAU/vdYt-mnQgUk/s1600/companioncube.jpeg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd305/zombieplasticclock/Shank.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3HplP0tFabs/TVMLMpGPZMI/AAAAAAAAABc/pfQHi4j7Ua4/s1600/Red+Companion+Cube.png

[gendoikari]

It's like incinerating the Weighted Companion Cube..... :crying:

Not it's like killing your best friend without a second though. Maybe more evil was a bad choice of words, more cold and calculating would be a better description. and I'd rather fight someone who hates me and wants to rip out my guts rather that a sociopath who is more easily able to maintain composure.

[Rusty Shackleford]

to praxis, you are right about wehrmacht and waffen ss. i just think the SS was voluntary whereas the wehrmacht was not. i may be wrong though. they were still in service of a genocidal government.

[Agent Ducky]

Not it's like killing your best friend without a second though.
My point here stands.

[Susurrus]

My point here stands.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Did you open the spoiler tab on my post?

[Agent Ducky]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Did you open the spoiler tab on my post?

Yes, and I lol'ed.

It doesn't look like it threatened to stab you so much as it just BOOM STABSTABSTABSTAB out of fucking nowhere. And commie companion cube XDDD :lol:

[Susurrus]

Yes, and I lol'ed.

It doesn't look like it threatened to stab you so much as it just BOOM STABSTABSTABSTAB out of fucking nowhere. And commie companion cube XDDD :lol:

That's because the cube is a Red spy(google image failed to find me a pic of this)(nvm yes it did) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/Pumpkuar/companionspy-1.jpg

[praxis1966]

to praxis, you are right about wehrmacht and waffen ss. i just think the SS was voluntary whereas the wehrmacht was not. i may be wrong though. they were still in service of a genocidal government.

You're right, there was a compulsory draft in Germany at the time... However, not unlike the US after '41, there were a whole bunch of nationalistic Germans who didn't wait for their number to be called. Not to mention that the book I read (http://www.antonybeevor.com/stalingrad/index.htm) concerning the Battle of Stalingrad was pretty unprecedented at the time of its original publication insofar as the author, Antony Beevor, had access to all sorts of previously unpublished documents. Among these were letters home and journal entries by soldiers of all the nationalities involved (and all ranks from grunt on up) and I don't recall a single one in which a German soldier expressed any reservations about what they were doing...

The journal entries did express fear of death and plenty of descriptions of the harsh conditions they faced. But there was never any sort of remorse (that I recall) expressed about what they were doing to the civilian population. This might be accounted for by simple error of omission on Beevor's part, but the work itself (which I highly recommend, btw, especially since American public high school education makes it seem like D-Day was the turning point in the war and it clearly wasn't) is so damned exhaustive in content that I kind of doubt it... I mean, he doesn't hesitate to describe tales of heroism and atrocities on the parts of all parties, so it seems to me like if he'd found something of that nature he would have included it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

That's because the cube is a Red spy(google image failed to find me a pic of this)(nvm yes it did) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/Pumpkuar/companionspy-1.jpg

You got blood on my suit!

[Plagueround]

This is an interesting thread. My girlfriend's family lived in Germany during the war and one of her great uncles was conscripted. He sent home several pictures like this that we still have. He did not make it home so what he did beyond the pictures of him and his unit became the last contact of any kind her family had. It is unknown what he was involved in and thus difficult to speculate on his motives or actions. Perhaps I'll have to get those scanned as they are very old.

[Susurrus]

This is an interesting thread. My girlfriend's family lived in Germany during the war and one of her great uncles was conscripted. He sent home several pictures like this that we still have. He did not make it home so what he did beyond the pictures of him and his unit became the last contact of any kind her family had. It is unknown what he was involved in and thus difficult to speculate on his motives or actions. Perhaps I'll have to get those scanned as they are very old.

Please do, that would be very interesting.

[Salyut]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,755385,00.html

Something that doesn't require database access.

[Susurrus]

More pics:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x_MctNg0L2w/SVupEtrOXRI/AAAAAAAAA1k/3tYJ8hQJymY/s400/Hitler+Christmas.jpg

The multicultural Wehrmacht:

http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/17.jpg

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/waffen.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/vxoyzd.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/MtAwesome/forMilitaryPhotoswebsite/AsianNazi.jpg

http://www.taintedthoughts.com/cache/wmark/2/3/9/2397/2397.jpg

The Staff at Auschwitz

http://iranleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gladenazier_uniforms-nazis-paniranist-nazi-womans.jpg?w=768

[Delenda Carthago]

Yeah! People are people!

http://zinelibrary.info/files/images/auschwitz.jpg

But they are not!

[Decolonize The Left]

Um... is it just me or does anyone else see that they are watching that adorable kitten playing with a hand grenade? Kinda puts a damper on the whole thing...

- August

[Azula]

Nazis are not people.

They are cattle.

[Agent Equality]

If that grenade (if that's what it is) were in any state other than safe, I would think that the three trained soldiers in the picture would be taking cover, not going gooey over the kitten beside it.

Well Nazi's were known to commit suicide a lot so.....

[gendoikari]

Nazis are not people.

They are cattle.

Do you mean the german army of the time or people that actually supported the nazi regime? Because the two are different.

[Azula]

Both.

[gendoikari]

Both.

You do realize Hitler received less than 50% of the vote and the majority of the German army was more than likely only going along with the whole nazi thing to keep from being shot, and to protect their homeland right? they weren't all evil anti-semetic, asshats.

[Azula]

You do realize Hitler received less than 50% of the vote and the majority of the German army was more than likely only going along with the whole nazi thing to keep from being shot, and to protect their homeland right? they weren't all evil anti-semetic, asshats.

No, but they obeyed the evil antisemitic asshats.

I would have supported the Morgenthau plan had I lived then.

[anarcho-communist4]

Is that Cat sitting by a grenade?

[gendoikari]

No, but they obeyed the evil antisemitic asshats.

I would have supported the Morgenthau plan had I lived then.

This is an easy position to take when your home isn't threatened by invaders coming on a righteous crusade, and a murderous sergeant at the back waiting with a bullet should you desert. It took great courage on the part of those that tried to kill hitler especially on part of the walkurie plot. But not everyone is that brave, not every is that talented, and when you are silenced to talk to your comrades about it for fear of being sent to the concentration camps yourself it's hard to organize.

[Red Future]

Can someone explain the non white troops in Nazi Service ?
I am familiar with the Ost Battalions but the Black Soldier photograph makes no sense in any way.

[Susurrus]

Can someone explain the non white troops in Nazi Service ?
I am familiar with the Ost Battalions but the Black Soldier photograph makes no sense in any way.

I should assume it's a result of recruiting troops for the Afrikacorps in Africa.

[#FF0000]

well, maybe not eat the kitten but part of the elite SS training was that they where given an german shepherd puppy to hand rear but during their last training they would have to kill their dog.

GSG9 still does this.

[Susurrus]

GSG9 still does this.

According to the urban myth, so does Mossad, the KGB/FSB, the CIA, the Special Forces, MI6, PLA, etc etc.

[Fawkes]

Maybe one of the reasons we so often forget the "human side" of Nazis is that we use words like "evil" and other dichotomous and moralizing jargon straight from the Bible.

[gendoikari]

According to the urban myth, so does Mossad, the KGB/FSB, the CIA, the Special Forces, MI6, PLA, etc etc.

I can believe mossad because of the torrent of horrible/badass rumors that come out of there, if even 1% were true these be some bad ass mothafuckas.

[Os Cangaceiros]

According to the urban myth, so does Mossad, the KGB/FSB, the CIA, the Special Forces, MI6, PLA, etc etc.

Yeah, that happened in that movie "Dog Soldiers" IIRC

[#FF0000]

GSG9 doesn't use dogs, tho. They use chickens.

Then again I picked this up from an episode of Deadliest Warrior, wherein the GSG-fucking-9 lost against SWAT

[gendoikari]

GSG9 doesn't use dogs, tho. They use chickens.

Then again I picked this up from an episode of Deadliest Warrior, wherein the GSG-fucking-9 lost against SWAT

What?

[Os Cangaceiros]

No, but they obeyed the evil antisemitic asshats.

I would have supported the Morgenthau plan had I lived then.

I mean, the Morgenthau plan...I didn't notice this comment before, and I hate to be the dude who comes into this thread and says "MATERIALIST POSITION!", but...yeah, I don't think that's a very materialist position you got thar.

Look at the European continent: we have England, with their conduct in India, Belgium and their conduct in Africa, Spain and their conduct in the New World, across the ocean we have the USA and slavery etc. but somehow Germany represents some kind of unique evil in such a manner that they need to be reduced to agrarian subsistance? Obviously the Nazis were unique in ways, but in other ways they were not unique...Nazism did not spring forth out of the primordial ooze of Hell, but rather can be subject to examination as a phenomenon, along with fascism more generally in the 30's.

The anti-deutsch self-flagellatory "hit us again, bomber Harris!" mentality isn't very thoughtful or productive, but hey, that's just my opinion.

[#FF0000]

What?

Deadliest Warrior is a show that's all about "WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF (x type of soldier from history) FOUGHT (y type of soldier from history).

According to this show, an American SWAT team would win against the GSG9, which is ridiculous.

[Fawkes]

and i hate to be the dude who comes into this thread and says "materialist position!"

Hey, back off! I already was that dude :mad:


but srzly, given how easily refuted a homophobic Christian or racist white worker is when argued against from a materialist perspective, I don't know why a leftist would adopt the same moralistic approach....

[praxis1966]

Look at the European continent: we have England, with their conduct in India, Belgium and their conduct in Africa, Spain and their conduct in the New World, across the ocean we have the USA and slavery etc. but somehow Germany represents some kind of unique evil in such a manner that they need to be reduced to agrarian subsistance? Obviously the Nazis were unique in ways, but in other ways they were not unique...Nazism did not spring forth out of the primordial ooze of Hell, but rather can be subject to examination as a phenomenon, along with fascism more generally in the 30's.

Yeah, there were plenty of other places in which similar equally inhumane things were done. I'd say the genocide of Native Americans has a place in your list as well... As for the Nazis, well, there was plenty of blame in terms of war crimes to go around in World War II... Everyone's mind who reads this I'm sure will run either one of several places, the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, Dresden, British carpet bombing policies early in the war, or the atomic drops at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was more than that, though. For instance the US attacks on Tokyo which, unlike Dresden that was built of steel and stone, was a city made out of paper and wood at the time. US firebombing there and in various other cities therefore caused a civilian death toll that exceeded the (immediate) civilian death tolls caused by Fat Man and Little Boy... Robert McNamara, who worked as an analyst at the Pentagon at the time and who would win his official Rat Bastard stripes during the Johnson administration, recalled in the Errol Morris documentary The Fog of War (which I also highly recommend) that his supervisor Gen. Curtis "Bombs Away with Curt LeMay" LeMay a conversation in which he the former asks the latter if what they are doing could perhaps be considered a war crime. To the best of my recollection, LeMay's response was something to the effect of, "Whelp, that's why we better win."

[gendoikari]

Deadliest Warrior is a show that's all about "WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF (x type of soldier from history) FOUGHT (y type of soldier from history).

According to this show, an American SWAT team would win against the GSG9, which is ridiculous.

I know what the show is, SWAT is horrible, and GSG-9 got beaten?

[#FF0000]

I know what the show is, SWAT is horrible, and GSG-9 got beaten?

Yup. I think it came down to SWAT having shinier equipment. They went on for some crazy amount of time (like five whole minutes) on how GSG-9 used pump-action shotguns and how it was bad.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yup. I think it came down to SWAT having shinier equipment. They went on for some crazy amount of time (like five whole minutes) on how GSG-9 used pump-action shotguns and how it was bad.

How the fuck is that bad? Pump-action allows for better recoil control, and if it's speed one's after then don't shotguns cycle pretty much as fast as one can pump them?

Besides, I get the feeling that shotguns aren't the preferred weapon of GSG9 units. I've more often seen them with submachine guns and carbines.

[Arlekino]

WHAT? Germans are PEOPLE?

Well some Germans was left wingers, so I would not advice to write like that and make some Germans feel uncomfortable. If so many people thanked for this post so what message we tried to give.

[gendoikari]

How the fuck is that bad? Pump-action allows for better recoil control, and if it's speed one's after then don't shotguns cycle pretty much as fast as one can pump them?

Besides, I get the feeling that shotguns aren't the preferred weapon of GSG9 units. I've more often seen them with submachine guns and carbines.

an auto shotgun is more accurate on follow up shots because you don't have to pump meaning you can get more lead on target quicker

but yeah GSG-9 are universally famous more for the PSG-1 one of the most advanced police sniper rifles in existance.

[#FF0000]

but yeah GSG-9 are universally famous more for the PSG-1 one of the most advanced police sniper rifles in existance.

I am pretty sure they actually lost in the sniper category too.

[gendoikari]

i am pretty sure they actually lost in the sniper category too.

absolute fucking bullshit swat uses a remington 700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show is biased!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Comrade1]

:rolleyes:Nazi discussion turned into a gun discussion

[smellincoffee]

A couple of years ago I read the memoirs of a Waffen-SS soldier (Black Edelweiss). Most of the book was a combat diary (fighting against the Ruskies in Finland), but some of the earlier chapters were disturbing. The author, Voss, is middle-class and intelligent, and his family has extensive conversations about Hitler. Even though they knew he was mostly bad news, they rationalized supporting his actions because a "dictatorship of the proletariat could not be tolerated". It's unsettling to think that seemingly rational people could support Hitler without the excuse of having been brainwashed. They were comfortable middle-class and determined to protect their wealth.

[praxis1966]

Well some Germans was left wingers, so I would not advice to write like that and make some Germans feel uncomfortable. If so many people thanked for this post so what message we tried to give.

I think he was being sarcastic.

[Os Cangaceiros]

:rolleyes:Nazi discussion turned into a gun discussion

a positive development.

[Rusty Shackleford]

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[tbasherizer]

To veer the topic a little bit back towards it's original subject, even the methodology used in the extermination camps is reflective of SS soldiers' humanity. This isn't saying much; only that they share everyone else's base traits. The sonderkommando, or the prisoners forced to aid in the execution of other prisoners, took the positions previously held by SS soldiers. Instead of having their soldiers suffer repeatedly machine-gunning truckloads of people, they got the prisoners to sheperd said truckloads of prisoners into the gas chambers and drop in the xyklon-b. This isn't saying that your typical SS man was huggable and deserving of praise, but that even when ideology pushes you to murder, your brain freaks out. It's the same in modern conflicts- American soldiers in Afghanistan get PTSD for the same reasons.

Capitalism and it's offspring fascism is bad for everyone- just like patriarchy is bad for men, nazism is bad for he blond blue-eyed folk. It might be trendy to comment on pictures of Wehrmacht troops with rage or to endorse the Morgenthau Plan to show off just how leftist you are, but the essence of the solution isn't to keep raging at the symptoms of a sick world, but to calculatedly deconstruct it's causes.

[Hexen]

Nazis are not people.

They are monsters.

corrected.

[Comrade Jacob]

Those are called propaganda photos.
(I like commenting on old forums)

[Sotionov]

Yep, there's a song by Anal C*nt

[Chorus:]
Hitler was a sensitive man [x4]

He went to art school when he was younger
He wanted to be a painter
Hitler was a vegetarian
He was also a non-smoker

[Chorus]

He hired gay and handicapped officers
He was concerned about overpopulation
If Hitler were alive today
He’d listen to The Cure, The Smiths, and Depeche Mode

[A Revolutionary Tool]

This is just pictures of Hitler posing with children, how does this show a human side? He's like other politicians that want to take pictures with the little ones, do we forget Hitler was a populist?

[Ele'ill]

this thread is ancient

[Comrade Jacob]

this thread is ancient

Well I'm bringing it back, because I can!

[bcbm]

Well I'm bringing it back, because I can!

and i am closing it because i can and giving you a verbal warning because necromancy and other black magicks are not allowed here, this is a space of light.


closed.