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CHE with an AK
15th August 2011, 08:48
I am interested in the history of Mao Zedong and his interactions with black America, black civil rights leaders, and the influence of Maoism on black revolutionary politics in the U.S.

- What are some good books or sources that look at these issues?

- Why do you think Maoism appealed to black America in the turmoil of the 1960’s more than other tendencies or movements?

- What was the relationship between Mao and men like W.E.B. Du Bois? Or leaders of the Black Panthers?

- Are there specific speeches where Mao addresses the African-American or black American issue?



(some material I found)


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Two Articles by Mao Zedong on the
African American National Question






Oppose Racial Discrimmination By U.S. Imperialism
["Statement by Mao Supporting the Afro-Americans in Their Just Struggle Against Racial Discrimination by U.S. Imperialism" (August 8, 1963)


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African American liberation movement leader Robert F. Williams speaks at Tienanmen with Mao Zedong

An American Negro leader now taking refuge in Cuba, Mr. Robert Williams, the former President of the Monroe, North Carolina, Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People, has twice this year asked me for a statement in support of the American Negroes’ struggle against racial discrimmination. I wish to take this opportunity, on behalf of the Chinese people, to express our resolute support for the American Negroes in their struggle against racial discrimmination and for freedom and equal rights.

There are more than nineteen million Negroes in the United States, or about eleven per cent of the total population. Their position in society is one of enslavement, oppression and discrimmination. The overwhelming majority of the Negroes are deprived of their right to vote. On the whole it is only the most back-breaking and most despised jobs that are open to them. Their average wages are only from a third to a half of those of the white people. The ratio of unemployment among them is the highest. In many states they cannot go to the same school, eat at the same table, or travel in the same section of a bus or train with the white people. Negroes are frequently and arbitrarily arrested, beaten up and murdered by U.S. authorities at various levels and members of the Ku Klux Klan and other racists. About half of the American Negroes are concentrated in eleven states in the south of the United States. There, the discrimmination and prosecution they suffer are especially startling.


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The Black Belt agricultural region, the historical national territory of the African American Nation

The American Negroes are awakening, and their resistance is growing ever stronger. In recent years the mass struggle of the American Negroes against racial discrimmination and for freedom and equal rights has been constantly developing.

In 1957 the Negro people in Little Rock, Arkansas, waged a fierce struggle against the barring of their children from public schools. The authorities used armed force against them, and there resulted the Little Rock incident which shocked the world.

In 1960 Negroes in more than twenty states held ‘sit in’ demonstrations in protest against racial segregation in local restaurants, shops and other public places.

In 1961 the Negroes launched a campaign of ‘freedom riders’ to oppose racial segregation in transport, a campaign which rapidly extended to many states.

In 1962 the Negroes in Mississippi fought for the equal right to enrol in colleges and were greeted by the authorities with repression which culminated in a blood bath.

This year, the struggle of the American Negroes started in early April in Birmingham, Alabama. Unarmed, bare-handed Negro masses were subjected to wholesale arrests and the most barbarous repression merely because they were holding meetings and parades against racial discrimmination. On 12 June, an extreme was reached with the cruel murder of Mr. Medgar Evers, a leader of the Negro people in Mississippi. These Negro masses, aroused to indignation and undaunted by ruthless violence, carried on their struggles even more courageously and quickly won the support of Negroes and all strata of the people throughout the United States. A gigantic and vigorous nationwide struggle is going on in nearly every state and city in the United States, and the struggle keeps mounting. American Negro organizations have decided to start a ‘freedom march’ on Washington on 28 August, in which 250,000 people will take part.


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Huey P. Newton, leader of the Black Panther Party, meets Zhou Enlai in China

The speedy development of the struggle of the American Negroes is a manifestation of the constant sharpening of class struggle and national struggle within the United States; it has been causing increasingly grave anxiety to the U.S. ruling clique. The Kennedy Administration has resorted to cunning two-faced tactics. On the one hand, it continues to connive at and take part in the discrimmination against and persecution of Negroes; it even sends troops to repress them. On the other hand, it is parading as an advocate the ‘defence of human rights’ and the ‘protection of the civil rights of Negroes’, is calling upon the Negro people to exercise ‘restraint’, and is proposing to Congress so-called ‘civil rights legislation’ in an attempt to numb the fighting will of the Negro people and deceive the masses throughout the country. However, these tactics of the Kennedy Administration are being seen through by more and more of the Negroes. The fascist atrocities committed by the U.S. imperialists against the Negro people have laid bare the true nature of the so-called democracy and freedom in the United States and revealed the inner link between the reactionary polices pursued by the U.S. Government at home and its policies of aggression abroad.

I call upon the workers, peasants, revolutionary intellectuals, enlightened elements of the bourgeoisie, and other enlightened personages of all colours in the world, white, black, yellow, brown, etc., to unite to oppose the racial discrimmination practiced by U.S. imperialism and to support the American Negroes in their struggle against racial discrimmination. In the final analysis, a national struggle is a question of class struggle. In the United States, it is only the reactionary ruling clique among the whites which is oppressing the Negro people. They can in no way represent the workers, farmers, revolutionary intellectuals, and other enlightened persons who comprise the overwhelming majority of the white people. At present, it is the handful of imperialists, headed by the United States, and their supporters, the reactionaries in different countries, who are carrying out oppression, aggression and intimidation against the overwhelming majority of the nations and peoples of the world. They are the minority, and we are the majority. At most they make up less than ten percent of the 3,000 million people of the world. I am deeply convinced that, with the support of more than ninety per cent of the people of the world, the just struggle of the American Negroes will certainly be victorious. The evil system of colonialism and imperialism grew on along with the enslavement of the Negroes and the trade in Negroes; it will surely come to its end with the thorough emancipation of the black people.

http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/two-articles-by-mao-zedong-on-the-african-american-national-question/






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A New Storm Against Imperialism
[“Statement by Comrade Mao Tse-tung, Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, in Support of the Afro-American Struggle Against Violent Repression” (April 16, 1968)]



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Chinese flyer showing sites of African American rebellions following the assassination of Dr. King. The text at the top of the page is the text of this statement by Chairman Mao

Some days ago, Martin Luther King, the Afro-American clergyman, was suddenly assassinated by the U.S. imperialists. Martin Luther King was an exponent of nonviolence. Nevertheless, the U.S. imperialists did not on that account show any tolerance toward him, but used counter-revolutionary violence and killed him in cold blood. This has taught the broad masses of the Black people in the United States a profound lesson. It has touched off a new storm in their struggle against violent repression sweeping well over a hundred cities in the United States, a storm such as has never taken place before in the history of that country. It shows that an extremely powerful revolutionary force is latent in the more than twenty million Black Americans.

The storm of Afro-American struggle taking place within the United States is a striking manifestation of the comprehensive political and economic crisis now gripping U.S. imperialism. It is dealing a telling blow to U.S. imperialism, which is beset with difficulties at home and abroad.

The Afro-American struggle is not only a struggle waged by the exploited and oppressed Black people for freedom and emancipation, it is also a new clarion call to all the exploited and oppressed people of the United States to fight against the barbarous rule of the monopoly capitalist class. It is a tremendous aid and inspiration to the struggle of the people throughout the world against U.S. imperialism and to the struggle of the Vietnamese people against U.S. imperialism. On behalf of the Chinese people, I hereby express resolute support for the just struggle of the Black people in the United States.


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Mao Zedong with African American liberation leader W.E.B. Du Bois

Racial discrimination in the United States is a product of the colonialist and imperialist system. The contradiction between the Black masses in the United States and the U.S. ruling circles is a class contradiction. Only by overthrowing the reactionary rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class and destroying the colonialist and imperialist system can the Black people in the United States win complete emancipation. The Black masses and the masses of white working people in the United States have common interests and common objectives to struggle for. Therefore, the Afro-American struggle is winning sympathy and support from increasing numbers of white working people and progessives in the United States. The struggle of the Black people in the United States is bound to merge with the American workers’ movement, and this will eventually end the criminal rule of the U.S. monopoly capitalist class.

In 1963, in the “Statement Supporting the Afro-Americans in Their Just Struggle Against Racial Discrimination by U.S. Imperialism,” I said that the “the evil system of colonialism and imperialism arose and throve with the enslavement of Negroes and the trade in Negroes, and it will surely come to its end with the complete emancipation of the Black people.” I still maintain this view.

At present, the world revolution has entered a great new era. The struggle of the Black people in the United States for emancipation is a component part of the general struggle of al the people of the world against U.S. imperialism, a component part of the contemporary world revolution. I call on the workers, peasants, and revolutionary intellectuals of all countries and all who are willing to fight against U.S. imperialism to take action and extend strong support to the struggle of the Black people in the United States! People of the whole world, unite still more closely and launch a sustained and vigorous offensive against our common enemy, U.S. imperialism, and its accomplices! It can be said with certainty that the complete collapse of colonialism, imperialism, and all systems of exploitation, and the complete emancipation of all the oppressed peoples and nations of the world are not far off.

http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/two-articles-by-mao-zedong-on-the-african-american-national-question/

CHE with an AK
15th August 2011, 09:02
PHOTOS of Mao with W.E.B. Du Bois in 1959



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CHE with an AK
15th August 2011, 09:19
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Black Panthers reading and holding up Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (1969)


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(can anyone translate this poster?)

Jimmie Higgins
15th August 2011, 09:24
- Why do you think Maoism appealed to black America in the turmoil of the 1960’s more than other tendencies or movements? Not just black americans but a whole section of the New Left looked to Maoism and national liberation struggles in general.

First, there was a period of time when the Chinese Revolution was seen as somehow the "good communist" revolution in the US among even non-leftists. It was short-lived but the appeal lasted longer for US leftists who came from a pro-USSR background but had become confused and demoralized by either the direction of the CP (this would be especially true of anti-racists and black CP supporters and members who saw the CP as abandoning the anti-racist struggle) or of the USSR itself after sending in the tanks to suppress protests and acting not too differently from the Imperialists they supposedly opposed.

Add to this a low-level of working class struggle in the US during the post-war boom and a general shift away from seeing the working class as the leaders (or even subjects) of socialist Revolution. Since there was plenty of racism in the unions and among many white rank and file workers, some radicals saw workers as actually a barrier and so many people on the left at that time were looking for some other agent of change such as intellectuals, students, guerrilla fighters etc. I think this was largely the appeal of looking to 3rd world revolutions and national liberation movements. Also just the fact that that's where the post-war struggle was - it was Algeria, Vietnam, Cuba, various African and Arab countries.

Malcolm X is a good model for understanding some of the thinking among US radicals at that time. He really made connections between the black struggle in the US and Nasserism and African Socialism and Gueverism etc.

By the 1970s, Maoism was really the main draw for radicalizing people in the US and led to the New Communist Movement and a few largish groups of maybe a few thousand members. Not like the CP at it's height but defiantly a strong current at the time.

Ismail
15th August 2011, 16:07
PHOTOS of Mao with W.E.B. Du Bois in 1959
As a semi-related footnote, Hoxha met with Du Bois' wife in November 1964, during Albania's alliance with China.

But yeah, Jimmie Higgins' post said all that I could say.

CHE with an AK
16th August 2011, 16:39
Can anyone translate this post Dr. King assassination riot map or at least just Mao's statement at the top ? ... (I'd love to know what it says)


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CHE with an AK
16th August 2011, 16:45
Malcolm X is a good model for understanding some of the thinking among US radicals at that time. He really made connections between the black struggle in the US and Nasserism and African Socialism and Gueverism etc.

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during this conversation ...


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RED DAVE
16th August 2011, 17:01
The point is, though, that Maoist work with regard to Black America was mostly rhetorical. The Maoist organizations in the US played practically no role that I know of in the Civil Rights Movement. And to the extent that Black leaders like Newton adopted Maoist tactics and posturing, the result was negative.

RED DAVE

North Star
16th August 2011, 18:09
The point is, though, that Maoist work with regard to Black America was mostly rhetorical. The Maoist organizations in the US played practically no role that I know of in the Civil Rights Movement. And to the extent that Black leaders like Newton adopted Maoist tactics and posturing, the result was negative.

RED DAVE

I'm not a Maoist, but I think that is wrong. The Civil Rights movement was coming at a time when the Maoists in the US were first getting organized. So they were working on putting groups together and developing a line. So by the late 1960's you see the groups actually doing stuff. I think that the BPP is definitely something to study. Many positives as well as negatives. What undid the BPP was not necessarily Maoism but state repression. There was also DRUM and the League of Black Revolutionary Workers which were Maoist inspired. To say that Maoist work towards African-Americans was rhetorical simply shows your unwillingness to learn from other groups that don't share your ideology or political line. The fact is there were predominantly African American Maoist organizations other than the BPP. It's a symptom of closed mindedness that revolutionaries must overcome if we want to build a new movement.

RED DAVE
17th August 2011, 01:37
The point is, though, that Maoist work with regard to Black America was mostly rhetorical. The Maoist organizations in the US played practically no role that I know of in the Civil Rights Movement. And to the extent that Black leaders like Newton adopted Maoist tactics and posturing, the result was negative.
I'm not a Maoist, but I think that is wrong. The Civil Rights movement was coming at a time when the Maoists in the US were first getting organized.Historically this is quite wrong. The major Maoist group in the US at the time, Progressive Labor, was well-established by 1963. I recall very well seeing their office in Harlem when I used to walk up to the March on Washington office in the summer of that year.

With regard to the Civil Rights Movement, including such manifestations as the March on Washington, the Freedom Summer, the community organizing drives and rent strikes in New York led by CORE, I know of no Maoist presence, individual or collective. (Other groups that were just getting their acts together, like the Workers League and the IS were there.)

By 1967, they were present in at least one white-collar union in New York and, I believe, were working in the ILGWU. The played a largely negative role in the Cleaver campaign in '68: trying to wreck it in New York once they couldn't get control of the Peace and Freedom Party.


So they were working on putting groups together and developing a line. So by the late 1960's you see the groups actually doing stuff.Yes, PL was 'actually doing stuff," but, I reiterate, it was largely negative. And, more and more, their focus was on SDS, which was largely white and petit-bourgeois.


I think that the BPP is definitely something to study.Sure it is.


Many positives as well as negatives.True.


What undid the BPP was not necessarily Maoism but state repression.Far from me to minimize the state repression against them, which was probably as murderous an onslaught as was done in post-WWII America. But long before they were under attack, it was obvious that the organization was largely a shell. Their public tactics with regard to bearing arms got them a lot of publicity, but it was not transferred into active support or membership growth. Given the Panthers' orientation towards the lumpen proletariat, it was inevitable that they would not be able sink roots. This made them even more vulnerable to what was done to them.


There was also DRUM and the League of Black Revolutionary Workers which were Maoist inspired.They may have been Maoist inspired with regard to rhetoric, but, concretely, Maoism give very little with regard to how to work and organize within the working class. DRUM and the League were also inspired and worked with the International Socialists, which were also working inside the working class in auto and other places.


To say that Maoist work towards African-Americans was rhetorical simply shows your unwillingness to learn from other groups that don't share your ideology or political line.Show me where it wasn't rhetorical. Show me where Maoist groups worked inside the Civil Rights Movement, the Black Power Movement or, concretely in trms of individual work, group work or tactical development inside the Black working class insurgence in the early 70s.


The fact is there were predominantly African American Maoist organizations other than the BPP. It's a symptom of closed mindedness that revolutionaries must overcome if we want to build a new movement.Which groups are you talking about? Should you show us these groups, such a discussion would be fruitful. However, given the collapse of Maoism in all its favorite places, I think that Maoism as a body of thought or a guide to action will not be particularly useful.

RED DAVE

Os Cangaceiros
17th August 2011, 01:57
DRUM and LRBW was influenced by a number of different ideologies and movements, such as Martin Glabberman and the Italian autonomia, not just Maoism.

LegendZ
17th August 2011, 02:29
If you need a Mandarin translation ask sunfarstar he usually is over in the chinese forum.

Sun at Eight
17th August 2011, 02:30
I've been interested in the same topic. Here's a 1999 article from Souls: A Critical Journal of Black Politics, Culture and Society: "Black Like Mao: Red China and Black Revolution" (PDF) (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/souls/vol1no4/vol1num4art1.pdf) by Robin D.G. Kelley (author of Hammer & Hoe about Communist organizing in 1930s Alabama) and Betsy Esch.

kitsune
17th August 2011, 03:11
http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/internationalist-politics-of-chinese-communist-party-and-mao-zedong.jpg
(can anyone translate this poster?)


The poster says "Resolutely support the anti-imperialist struggle of peoples in Asia, Africa and Latin-America"

Here's a translation of the flyer (http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/China/ChinaFlyerText.html).

North Star
17th August 2011, 03:57
RED DAVE, you say the Maoists were rhetorical towards Black America and argue that they didn't engage in the Civil Rights Movement. I find it hard to believe that there were none on an individual basis. Harry Haywood worked alongside Malcolm X, who is certainly a precursor to the Black Power movement. However groups like the BPP, DRUM and LRBW can't simply be labeled as "rhetorical." They may have not engaged in the mass movement, but they genuinely tried to steer a new revolutionary course for African Americans. Now I'm all for working in mass movements, I know that many Maoists are less so, but I don't think Maoism and its relationship to African Americans was simply a few words mentioned by Chairman Mao. I disagree with their approach but I don't doubt their sincerity. LRBW was Marxist-Leninst, so I don't know why you are arguing they are not part of the Maoist movement. BPP certainly was. Maoism stresses suiting one's approach to the conditions of one's own national situation. The Maoists did not engage in the Civil Rights movement but Maoism clearly had an effect on African American radicals.

RED DAVE
17th August 2011, 18:10
RED DAVE, you say the Maoists were rhetorical towards Black America and argue that they didn't engage in the Civil Rights Movement.Basically correct.


I find it hard to believe that there were none on an individual basis. Harry Haywood worked alongside Malcolm X, who is certainly a precursor to the Black Power movement.I would agree that any work Haywood did with Malcolm was important. Haywood, however, was a unique person on the US Left. I would argue that any engagement he had with Malcolm was more because he was Haywood than the fact that he was a Maoist. If you could give me some examples of rank-and-file Maoists working in civil rights, I would be more impressed. I would be amazed if you found evidence that PL was involved. In the Peace and Freedom Party, for example, in '68, PL took no role at all in the relationship the PFC had with the Panthers and, in fact, refused to participate in a Labor for Cleaver Committee that was set up, even though they had some union people.


However groups like the BPP, DRUM and LRBW can't simply be labeled as "rhetorical."I certainly do not call these groups rhetorical. Not at all. What I'm saying is that their relationship to Maoism was largely rhetorical. What kind of guidance could a Maoist group give to a Black American group inside the working class?


They may have not engaged in the mass movement, but they genuinely tried to steer a new revolutionary course for African Americans.Like I said above, I think that DRUM and the LRBW, which were Maoist influenced, definitely tried to do this. The Panthers did not. The fact that a group is small is no big deal at the beginning and the groups like DRUM were just at the beginning of their work when they were persecuted and destroyed.


Now I'm all for working in mass movements, I know that many Maoists are less so, but I don't think Maoism and its relationship to African Americans was simply a few words mentioned by Chairman Mao.I didn't sasy that. What I said that organized Maoist, primarily Progressive Labor, played virtually no role in the Black movements of the 60s and 70s. Other groups, with some Maoist influence, played a real and important role.


I disagree with their approach but I don't doubt their sincerity. LRBW was Marxist-Leninst, so I don't know why you are arguing they are not part of the Maoist movement.Because they had strong influence from other groups as was pointed out again. And they did not, as far as I know, play a role in the Maoist movement.


BPP certainly was. Maoism stresses suiting one's approach to the conditions of one's own national situation. The Maoists did not engage in the Civil Rights movement but Maoism clearly had an effect on African American radicals.It had an effect. That is not in question. Maoism as an ideology had an effect; largely, I would argue, a negative one. But that's another debate. Organized Maoism, especially PL, one more time, played virtually no role. And there was no excuse for that. LRBW, DRUM, etc., and the Panthers, had no problem forming coalition with white groups of various political stripes, including those that were overtly anti-Maoist. (I should know. I was there.)

RED DAVE

North Star
24th August 2011, 02:27
We've got a disagreement over what qualifies as Maoist. We both agree on the PLP (at that time) being Maoist. I don't however believe in qualifying strictly organized parties like the PLP as the only Maoists. These kind of debates when conducted by Maoists and other ML'ers descend into theological discussions of who has the one true line that will lead to revolution. Sure DRUM and LBRW don't identify only as Maoist and have other influences. However, if not for their Maoist influences it is quite likely that these organizations would resemble something very different. You can't detach the Maoist influences from these organizations and simply say Maoism was rhetorical, otherwise you'd be left with very different organizations. The nature of these organizations was a product of the historical epoch and of the Maoist tendency which was quite influential at the time.

RED DAVE
24th August 2011, 02:55
We've got a disagreement over what qualifies as Maoist.Okay.


We both agree on the PLP (at that time) being Maoist.Okay.


I don't however believe in qualifying strictly organized parties like the PLP as the only Maoists.Okay. But if you want to call another group Maoist, you have to justify this based on some principles that other people understand, even if they don't agree.


These kind of debates when conducted by Maoists and other ML'ers descend into theological discussions of who has the one true line that will lead to revolution.And they're funny.


Sure DRUM and LBRW don't identify only as Maoist and have other influences.Correct.


However, if not for their Maoist influences it is quite likely that these organizations would resemble something very different.You will have to explain and justify this statement. For instance, at the very least, what other organizations are you talking about? And what would the differences have been?


You can't detach the Maoist influences from these organizations and simply say Maoism was rhetorical, otherwise you'd be left with very different organizations.You can't assert that. You have to show it. Among the influences on these organizations were, as state above, Martin Glaberman, to which I would add Stokely Carmichael, the Panthers themselves, the IS and C.L.R. James.


The nature of these organizations was a product of the historical epochTrue.


and of the Maoist tendencyNot true.


which was quite influential at the time.Somewhat true but not not in the active layers of the working class.

Let me clarify. At that time, Maoist rhetoric, waving the Little Red Book around, was common. However, Maoist practice was something else. PL did not have the political weight, the reputation based on action either inside the working class or the Black community as a whole to wield that kind of influence. They had very few people inside the working class; they had practically no experience or contact with the Civil Rights Movement or the Black Power Movement. I saw the way the Panthers dealt with PL inside the Peace and Freedom Party: they ignored them. Why? Because they were not a force to reckon with. Likewise with LBRW, DRUM, etc.

Wave the book and chant slogans: Sure. Derive actual practice from the theory: No way.

RED DAVE

black magick hustla
24th August 2011, 07:31
maoist phraseology and aesthetics in the new left were popular, but i think people who call the bpp (and god forbid, DRUM) maoist are trying to step up their street cred. some people in the leadership of the bpp were maoists or maoist influenced, but the main issues that united the rank and file was self-defense and black nationalism. some folks in the bpp even thought the bpp was just another gang!

RED DAVE
24th August 2011, 15:57
maoist phraseology and aesthetics in the new left were popular, but i think people who call the bpp (and god forbid, DRUM) maoist are trying to step up their street cred. some people in the leadership of the bpp were maoists or maoist influenced, but the main issues that united the rank and file was self-defense and black nationalism. some folks in the bpp even thought the bpp was just another gang!I would also reinforce the difference between the Panthers on the one hand and DRUM, etc., on the other.

RED DAVE

syndicat
25th August 2011, 00:44
i can't agree with Dave that Maoists in the '70s had no workplace organizing practice. I lived in Milwaukee at that time and the largest rank and file opposition work being done in Milwaukee in those years was by the Revolutionary Workers Headquarters...a Maoist group that broke off from the RCP (and a predecessor of the present Fightback version of Freedom Road Socialist Org). but it was an all white group. i didn't know of any particular work among black workers by this group...tho it was possible.

RED DAVE
25th August 2011, 00:56
i can't agree with Dave that Maoists in the '70s had no workplace organizing practice. I lived in Milwaukee at that time and the largest rank and file opposition work being done in Milwaukee in those years was by the Revolutionary Workers Headquarters...a Maoist group that broke off from the RCP (and a predecessor of the present Fightback version of Freedom Road Socialist Org). but it was an all white group. i didn't know of any particular work among black workers by this group...tho it was possible.Yeah, I remember reading about the RWH. Point is that, as far as I know their work had no long-term results: they were unable to sustain their efforts.

And with regard to the dominant Maoist group in the Sixties, PL, my points stand. They did not accomplish systematic work inside the working class or the Black movement.

RED DAVE

syndicat
25th August 2011, 01:24
And with regard to the dominant Maoist group in the Sixties, PL, my points stand. They did not accomplish systematic work inside the working class or the Black movement.not for lack of trying tho. i know two PLers who recently retired after 20 years as bus drivers at the S.F. transit system. they did develop an opposition group called the Drivers Action Committee (maybe 50 drivers)...a group with probably a majority black membership. Much of their focus was antiracist.

One of the more articulate black members of this committee (not a PLer) is a former member of the BPP. About half the workers in this transit union (TWU) are black and much of the union's leadership are also African-American. the leadership pursue a rather narrow and collaborationist course as far as their relationship to management is concerned. meanwhile the DAC seems to have dissipated more recently.

they work under a similar problem to TWU in NYC in that after the last strike in the '70s the city charter was changed to make a transit strike illegal.

as far as RWH is concerned, I don't think they had a coherent perspective of where their activity should lead. and PL isn't helped by their bizarro brand of communist politics.