Do you believe in extra-terrestrials?

[Mac]

Do you think they have visited earth?

[thesadmafioso]

Well, this is generally something which would go in the science and environment section as opposed to non political. There have also been a handful of topics on this subject there in just the past few weeks.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/there-aliens-out-t158738/index.html

http://www.revleft.com/vb/aliens-and-communism-t158779/index.html

It would also be a good idea to re-phrase either the title of this topic or its poll, as it is rather common for people to believe that extra terrestrial life exists without holding to the position that it has actually visited earth.

Though to actually be productive to the discussion for a moment, I find the actual evidence supporting any claim of extra terrestrial visitation to earth to be far too inconclusive and circumstantial for it to actually support such a massive hypothesis. It is a tremendous claim to make, and such a theory needs to be backed with evidence which is just as massive. It's not as if accepting this thesis is something to be done lightly, due to its incredible significance if true.

Though given the sheer mass of stars just in our galaxy which could potentially support life, I find it simply reckless to refute the existence of life beyond earth. Due to the sprawling scope of our galaxy and the universe beyond it, we have to reach the conclusion that either extraterrestrial life exists and it has chosen not to engage with our civilization or it has yet to find us due to the immense scale of space.

[Red And Black Sabot]

I agree with thesadmafioso. The title and the poll are two separate questions.
Either way, I said yes because we have found what some scientists believe to be fossilized microbes or evidence that microbes once existed in meteorites and etc. Also, some theorize that our own evolution could have been kicked off as a result of some foreign microbe landing on our planet. (panspermia)
I don't find either of those ideas all that hard to believe.
That said, microbes is about all I'm willing to believe as far as extra terrestrial visitors goes. I definitely don't believe there is any evidence to suggest that intelligent life has ever visited us though.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I clicked on yes because I was answering the title of the thread. Then, I realized that the question in the poll included "have visited Earth." In that case, my answer would be no. Minis 1 yes and plus one no.

[Ocean Seal]

No, I voted against it, because I don't really buy the ancient aliens theories as much more than a condescending way to approach our ancestors abilities to put things together, and I moreover think that these theories are linked with some kind of racist sentiment since they seem to be directed at people of color. Nazca lines, pyramids of Giza, and so on. The modern alien Roswell theories don't really have much evidence and aren't very convincing logically nor do they offer much backgrounds. Although, I'd like to believe that they have alien remains in Area 51.

[Smyg]

I believe aliens exist somewhere out there, but not that they've been here.

[Sensible Socialist]

Considering the vast expanse of the universe, it's likely that there are other forms of life out there, although they may differ so much it'd be hard to call it "life." We base our assumptions of what other life forms would look like off of the Earth form of life, but there is no telling what small changes could have led to extremely different, almost mind-boggling, forms of life in the universe.

As for aliens having visted Earth, it makes for great stories and television, but there isn't enough proof to support a theory. I've drawn pretty detailed doodles of aliens; I don't want people one thousand years in the future assuming I was abducted by tiny green men in spaceships. :rolleyes:

[Nox]

If they visited Earth, they would certainly make it clear to all of us.

For people who say aliens visited the Earth in ancient times, how come they haven't visited us since?

[Sensible Socialist]

If they visited Earth, they would certainly make it clear to all of us.

For people who say aliens visited the Earth in ancient times, how come they haven't visited us since?
There could be several reasons, although I don't agree with the ancient astronaut theory. Considering the aliens would have to be a considerable distance away, they could have sent an exploration team to Earth, and because of the distance, have not sent another one, or it has not gotten here. It could even be the aliens have decided there is nothing of value on Earth, and there is no reason wasting resources exloring it.

As you see, it's much easier playing devil's advocate. :lol:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I think the Eric Von Daniken/Zacharia Sitchen "ancient astronauts" can be dismissed as pseudo science. It is a dis service and very irritating that the History Channel keeps regurgitating that stuff, their role is supposed to be educating the public, not promoting misleading information.

Having said this....

What's going on with "alien abductions?" I have a friend, a former co-worker who claims to have experienced this and is in a support group for "abductees". The mother of another close friend claims to have vividly seen a UFO hovering over her house.

I don't buy into the UFO mythology but these do appear to be valid experiences, however subjective.

[Nox]

There could be several reasons, although I don't agree with the ancient astronaut theory. Considering the aliens would have to be a considerable distance away, they could have sent an exploration team to Earth, and because of the distance, have not sent another one, or it has not gotten here. It could even be the aliens have decided there is nothing of value on Earth, and there is no reason wasting resources exloring it.

As you see, it's much easier playing devil's advocate. :lol:

You'd think that an Alien civilisation that had the technology to visit us from many light-years away would have mastered a method of transportation that covers huge distances in a very short time.

As for the aliens deciding there is nothing of value here, there is life. Life is probably the rarest and most valuable thing in the universe, if we found life on another planet we would watch it constantly to see it develop, and I'm sure an alien race would probably have the same mindset.

[Sensible Socialist]

You'd think that an Alien civilisation that had the technology to visit us from many light-years away would have mastered a method of transportation that covers huge distances in a very short time.
Perhaps for them it is a short time. 2000 years to us may not be a long journey to an alien civlization.


As for the aliens deciding there is nothing of value here, there is life. Life is probably the rarest and most valuable thing in the universe,
That is from a human perspective, only because we know of no other life in the universe besides Earth. If we consider that an alien civilization may have come into contact with hundreds of other life-bearing planets, Earth may not seem so worthwhile after all.


if we found life on another planet we would watch it constantly to see it develop, and I'm sure an alien race would probably have the same mindset.
Why are you assuming that? That is the major folly humans commit when discussing extra-terrestrials, that they will have the same mindset, goals, and thought process as humans. It's an assumption that should not be made.

[thesadmafioso]

If they visited Earth, they would certainly make it clear to all of us.

For people who say aliens visited the Earth in ancient times, how come they haven't visited us since?

Nonsense, if a species of intelligent life is capable of producing the machinery to travel across the vast expanse of space in a timely fashion, who is to say they are also not smart enough to avoid us like the plague?

If, and this is a enormous if, the Earth has indeed been visited by extraterrestrial life, I would propose that we have no apparent evidence of it and that it is merely for the purpose of observation. Much like scientists here on Earth use petri dishes for the purpose of experiment, we could very well be treated as some oddity to be examined. When taken in the context of the potential which could be reached by a species far more advanced in their civilization than our own, it is exceedingly likely that we would just be seen as a sort of intergalactic ant hill.

In short, my point is really just that aliens, if they are intelligent enough to manufacture the means to traverse the incredible distances of space, really wouldn't have any overt motive for making contact with humanity in its current state.

[Nox]

Perhaps for them it is a short time. 2000 years to us may not be a long journey to an alien civlization.

I'm talking about something much faster than that.

As for the rest of your post, I see what you are talking about and agree with it.

[Mac]

Sorry aboot the title and question being different. I meant it to be what the poll said. I edited my first post to clarify.

[Metacomet]

I've been abducted by aliens.

They kidnapped me and forced me to impregnate an alien princess. They said they will return in twenty years with the new hybrid who will rule the earth.

[Mac]

I've been abducted by aliens.

They kidnapped me and forced me to impregnate an alien princess. They said they will return in twenty years with the new hybrid who will rule the earth.
:laugh:

[Zealot]

Visited earth? No, although they could possibly exist. But if they are out there somewhere they either:

- Aren't interested, much the same way as I'm not interested following an ant around.
- Don't have the means and resources.
- Haven't considered it.
- Aren't an advanced life-form like the humans are.
- Have already tried.
- Are currently trying.
- Are busy conquering other planets and installing fascist regimes.
- Are busy conquering other planets and installing communism.
- None of the above.

:)

[electro_fan]

Yes i do, but I dont think they've visited earth lol, why does everyone assume that aliens are going to be more advanced when they might be less advanced lol?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

There's no evidence so far as we can tell of extra-terrestrial visitation. Of course the sheer depth of geological time means that the evidence for all but the most recent visits would be worn down to nothing.

[Sensible Socialist]

Yes i do, but I dont think they've visited earth lol, why does everyone assume that aliens are going to be more advanced when they might be less advanced lol?
Most people use the term aliens to refer to sentinent beings, usually equally or more advanced than humans. Most forget that the first lifeforms we discover will most likely resemble bacterias or miniscule plants.

[Metacomet]

But seriously

yes, I do believe there are aliens, I can't decide either way to whether we have been visited or not.

[Ocean Seal]

What's going on with "alien abductions?" I have a friend, a former co-worker who claims to have experienced this and is in a support group for "abductees". The mother of another close friend claims to have vividly seen a UFO hovering over her house.

I don't know, I don't really run into these as often. I feel as if people want to think that they've witnessed something truly special. I know that I would really want to see a UFO that I would lower my standards to the point where I would against the evidence try to convince myself that I saw a UFO. I once tried to convince myself that I saw one but I realize that just because it wasn't a commercial plane and had some weird red lights it doesn't mean that it was anything special. Then again it was technically a UFO because I couldn't identify it, but I'm not an air traffic specialist.

[Pioneers_Violin]

I voted "yes" because someone was bound to have stopped by either:
1- Before Humans evolved (devolved?) to our current state
2- To cause Humans to devolve (evolve?) into our current state
3- For comic relief or perhaps sadistic pleasure?



I've been abducted by aliens.

They kidnapped me and forced me to impregnate an alien princess. They said they will return in twenty years with the new hybrid who will rule the earth.


! :lol: !

Daddy!

Seriously, someone once told me that I'm one of those Human-Alien hybrids!
Actually, two different people did, one IRL and one online.. :laugh:
Why am I always the last to know these things?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I've been abducted by aliens.

They kidnapped me and forced me to impregnate an alien princess. They said they will return in twenty years with the new hybrid who will rule the earth.

Dad, is that you? I don't like it here. What's this "Earth" the High Ones keep telling me about? Do they have cool toys there? They say They might let me see you soon.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

If they visited Earth, they would certainly make it clear to all of us.

Not necessarily. I do believe in the existance of other life-forms outside of Earth but how intelligent, advanced, etc. they are remains to be seen. Have they visited Earth? I have no idea but I would probably not make my prescence known here if I was visiting, scouting and observing given the hostile and savage inhabitants of this planet.