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Severian
20th October 2003, 01:20
Associated Press article (http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Oct/10192003/nation_w/nation_w.asp)


In an eight-hour visit, Bush for the first time drew explicit comparisons between the transition he is seeking in Iraq and the rough road to democracy that the Philippines traveled from the time the United States seized it from Spain in 1898 to the present day.
"Some say the culture of the Middle East will not sustain the institutions of democracy," Bush said, taking on the critics of his oft-stated goal to use Iraq as a laboratory for spreading democratic institutions in the Middle East. "The same doubts were once expressed about the culture of Asia. Those doubts were proven wrong nearly six decades ago."
While the administration often speaks of the occupations of Japan and Germany after World War II as rough models for the effort to rebuild Iraq, Bush used the visit here to make a less explicit analogy to the American administration of the Philippines, which also led to the formation of a democracy. But the comparison has less power to reassure, given that the Philippine government did not gain full autonomy for five decades.


And wasn't so democratic after that.

PBS/Frontline history of the Phillipines (http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/philippines/tl01.html)

Points out that after the Spanish-American War, the U.S. suppressed a pro-independence Filipino revolt:


The outgunned Filipinos adopted guerilla tactics; the U.S. army responded by rounding peasants into "reconcentration camps" and declaring entire areas battle zones, in which no distinctions were made between combatants and civilians. At least 4,200 American and 16,000 Filipino soldiers are thought to have been killed in the fighting. Historians have debated the scale of civilian deaths, with estimates ranging from 200,000 to almost 1 million.


Y'know, I think Bush has made a pretty good comparison here, unlike his usual lame WWII analogies.

Bradyman
20th October 2003, 03:14
Ha, Bush is such a moron. I think its ironic how America is forcing democracy on people instead of letting the people decide.

marxstudent
20th October 2003, 05:52
True that but I think it's a little too late to just turn around. Too much damage has been done.

Le Libérer
20th October 2003, 07:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 03:14 AM
Ha, Bush is such a moron. I think its ironic how America is forcing democracy on people instead of letting the people decide.
If you have to force democracy on a nation, is that really democracy?

Marxist in Nebraska
20th October 2003, 16:47
The U.S. occupation of the Phillipines after 1898 is almost identical to the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. We supported a popular guerrilla movement in the country. The guerrillas simply wanted self-determination, and the U.S. government cynically supported them as they weakened what was at the time a common enemy (in the Phillipines--Spain, in Vietnam--Japan). After that other empire was defeated, the U.S. assumed control.

Hmm... the U.S. has claimed to back the Kurds against the brutal Saddam... perhaps this Phillipines analogy has even more truth to it...

Marxist in Nebraska
20th October 2003, 16:49
Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 20 2003, 02:46 AM
If you have to force democracy on a nation, is that really democracy?
short answer... no

Hawker
21st October 2003, 00:26
Bullshit Philippines was never a democracy,it was an despotic oligarcy.Have you seen the streets on Manila.People living in cardboard boxes and sleeping the streets,yet the government does nothing to help the population.Corrupt government officials are always embezzling the treasury.The communist guerillas to the North are doing absolutely nothing to oppose the government,they make absolutely no moves to overthrow the the dictatorship.Philippines is nothing but one of colonies of the US.

Le Libérer
22nd October 2003, 07:29
Originally posted by Marxist in Nebraska+Oct 20 2003, 04:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Marxist in Nebraska @ Oct 20 2003, 04:49 PM)
Debora [email protected] 20 2003, 02:46 AM
If you have to force democracy on a nation, is that really democracy?
short answer... no [/b]
I didnt think so either. :ph34r: