Leave America.

[Susurrus]

You know the old "If you don't love America(USA) then go live somewhere else" line? I need some arguments against it plz.

[Weezer]

If I leave America, I won't be able to change it.

[Nox]

Being born on one particular strip of land shouldn't affect political views

[Veovis]

"I love America, that's why I can't let you ruin it. Come the revolution, you'll be the first against the wall!" :laugh:

[Nox]

You could also use this good old quote:


Both nationalism and patriotism are the equivalent of an animal exclaiming how much it loves it's cage.

[black magick hustla]

why the rest of the world is a shithole too

[RedAnarchist]

"If I have to leave it because I don't love it, why does the government interfere with other countries because it doesn't see those countries as friendly or American enough?"

[Leftsolidarity]

There are tons of arguments against it but you could say something along the lines of "I'm not anti-American; I'm anti-capitalism."

[Sensible Socialist]

No one should be forced to uproot themselves because they see a problem in the area they live in. Nothing would get changed for the better if we closed our eyes and scurried away. I usually use the American Revolution as an example (conservatives masturbate to that war), saying that British rule wouild not be overthrown if the colonists had just "gone away."

[CHE with an AK]

Just say "If I leave, then who will later help put you and your family in a gulag?"

[Geiseric]

ask him if everything he hated happened, I mean everything, and once he wanted to change something he was told to leave. then say he's a capitalist asshole, and he should move to russia if he likes capitalism so much. then he'll say "russia iz comunist rite?" and you'll say, russia was never communist. Things were priced at their use value, and there were always shortages caused by the beuracracy's innefficient central planning. The fact that a beuracracy ruled everything makes it non socialist off the bat. If he says, well why won't another beuracracy rise again in socialist society? Reply with, because of the poverty and chaos in russia, it was easy for officials who had control of recources to band togather and further centralise the state's power, since as we all know money is power.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Why?

Short and simple.

[Blackburn]

You know the old "If you don't love America(USA) then go live somewhere else" line? I need some arguments against it plz.

Give the person who said that a 'crazy stare' and say: "NO, I want dirtbags like you to leave!"

[Susurrus]

I loled at some of the reaction I would get with some of these responses. The person using the line is a friend of mine so let's keep it non-personal. And gulag-free since i'm an anarchist.

[RED DAVE]

I have found that a simple "Fuck You!" is often the appropriate response to that one.

RED DAVE

[syndicat]

I usually respond by saying that as an American citizen I have as much right as anyone else to have a say in what the country will be like, how it will be governed, and what it's future will be. In other words, people who say this are assuming they have more right than you to have a viewpoint about what way the country should go. The best reply is to say you have much right as they to have, express and defend a viewpoint.

[Tim Finnegan]

Say "Okay", and then declare your secession from the Union. I believe that there's precedent for that.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Imagine if the founding fathers had left the colonies because they didn't like them.

[PhoenixAsh]

Say "Okay", and then declare your secession from the Union. I believe that there's precedent for that.

not a very fortunate one from the perspective of he secceeding party..;)

[Commissar Rykov]

Meh I hate that line and my brother's friend used it the other day when we were sitting around discussing Gay rights. The only reason I kept my mouth shut was that it was my brother's birthday so I just looked at my friend and shrugged then proceeded to steer the conversation towards music instead of delivering a rather angry reply.

Honestly anyone who uses such an argument is so scared of differing opinions they are likely not to accept anything in the way of logical reasoning. So thus I avoid discussing anything with them other than maybe vapid pop culture phenomenon or the rate of grass growth.

[Rafiq]

Ask him where he presumes you should go? Tell him you hate all other nations too, along with their flags.

Tell him you wipe your ass with every flag of every nation (except the red flags, those are sacred)

[aplparks]

You know the old "If you don't love America(USA) then go live somewhere else" line? I need some arguments against it plz. Why argue against it? This is the same line I employ when reactionaries tell me how much they hate our communist leaders here in the commu-bama USA.

[The Stalinator]

I want to see change in my country. If I were to leave this place because the conservatives are shitting it up, how would I do that?

[Jimmie Higgins]

"If you don't love the USA then why not go live somewhere else?"

Snappy answers to stupid questions:

1) Because I went to US public schools and wasn't taught any foreign languages.

2) Gas prices are too high for me to leave.

3) Buy me a plane ticket and a place to live and you got yourself a deal! (I'd prefer anywhere where people speak English or Spanish.)

[Rss]

"I like this place and these people too much to let people like you ruin it any further."

Super effective against mouth-breathing nationalists and arrogant bourgeois dirtbags.

[piet11111]

You know the old "If you don't love America(USA) then go live somewhere else" line? I need some arguments against it plz.


If you don't like my living here then you leave !

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

American Capitalists already fucked up all the other places to live.

[The Douche]

Its a non-argument. You don't need to argue against it, when somebody says that they're clearly saying "I can't argue against your ideas, so I would prefer it if you were not here to voice them".

Just point out to them that by resorting to "gittttt out" they're proving their inability to deal with the issues you raise.

Remember, a debate is rarely about the person you're arguing with, but about the people listening/watching/reading, they're the ones who can be convinced of something, not the person who is already so invested in their ideas that they're willing to argue.

[BIG BROTHER]

You know the old "If you don't love America(USA) then go live somewhere else" line? I need some arguments against it plz.

You could piss him or her off by saying, this is not America, its a Colonial/Imperialist state illegally settle on indigenous land. So its probably you who supports this, that should leave.

[StoneFrog]

I wouldn't leave the workers of this country to be savaged by the insidious effects of capitalism. Though as much as i'd like to help comrades in other countries with their efforts, i am here now and there is much a need here as any other.

something like that

[Hexen]

Snappy answers to stupid questions:

1) Because I went to US public schools and wasn't taught any foreign languages.

2) Gas prices are too high for me to leave.

3) Buy me a plane ticket and a place to live and you got yourself a deal! (I'd prefer anywhere where people speak English or Spanish.)

Reason number 4, Airport security.

[Dumb]

This summer, I'd been telling people, "No worries...I'm leaving for Honduras in August, and I won't be back for a year." Now I just tell people, "...Done!"

[RedAtheist]

'I would leave if your system had not left me without enough money for a plane ticket and too afraid to give up my job.' ;)

Edit: Whoops sorry, I didn't notice Jimmy Higgins had said more or less the same thing.

[ZeroNowhere]

We hate capitalism because capitalism hates capitalism, so much so that it lusts for assisted suicide.

In any case, this argument portrays socialism as a matter of personal preferences, rather than of economic analysis. We can do what we want, the point is that capitalism necessarily produces the working class, whose political power would necessarily imply its undoing. If the working class as a whole were simply to leave capitalism because they didn't like it, then capitalism couldn't function, as it necessitates the existence of a working class in the social production process; given that we simply make explicit what is implicit in the working class's existence as such, capitalism is ultimately dependent upon 'our' existence. Communism is implicit in the working class' existence, and hence their attempt to portray things in simple terms of 'Well, people who like this kind of society can go here, people who like others can go elsewhere, and everybody's happy' doesn't ultimately work out, because capitalism's continuance implies the furthering of this constituency of 'people who don't love America'. Further, given that capitalism leads to its own necessary overthrow, opposing this overthrow must entail opposing capitalism's development, and hence we are in fact far more accepting of 'America' than are the people who use this line.

As others have mentioned, it also ignores the global nature of capitalism, and the fact that, if it is to survive, as they seem quite enthusiastic about, it must expand the workforce and export capital elsewhere. As such, if they support the creation of significant areas from which capitalism is to be barred, then they end up implicitly supporting capitalism's end, and hence perhaps should consider leaving America. If not, then it's not much use telling people to leave America if they dislike capitalism, as if capitalism is mainly confined to the US and is not a world-system. I mean, back in the day where one had Chinese history, European history, and so on, and some level of division between them, this may have made a modicum of sense, but when one is acting in conditions of world history, it does lose its finesse somewhat.

Of course, the best answer is to open the door and leave. In fact, that's usually the best answer when people try to debate politics.