Obama Administration Complains of Anti-Americanism in Egypt

[RedMarxist]

quick story: I was flipping through the pages of my local newspaper. Don't know about you, but I love the world section. In it, they covered typical stuff like the London Riots and the Revolts in the middle east. Interestingly enough, there was a small snippet concerning Egypt:

The Obama Administration fucking complained that too many people were anti-American, saying it was "unfair and bad", or something like that. wow, just WOW.

Translation: ya, so the people kind of kicked out our pro-America puppet leader so we are entirely at the mercy of a new leadership so all we can do is *****. Please don't put Islamist leaders in power, pretty please with a cherry on top.

This is revolution at it's finest. One great thing that these "bourgeois" revolutions brought forth was the fall of pro-American regimes across the region. This, in effect, I believe is a good thing(and I know what some people have said: wah, its not communist so there not real revolutions!)

even better is the resultant Spanish and Greek revolutions.(Yes Greece is experiencing a revolution). Even better that that is the "UK Uprising". may the reactionaries in Buckingham tremble in fear!

they are as real as the October Revolution or the German Revolution. Trust me.

Viva La Revolucion!

[Tommy4ever]

Whilst its nice to see the rightwing puppet tyrants of Tunisia and Egypt fall and to see the quasi-fascist Syrian regime rocked none of these revolutions have even come close to overturning actual social conditions and they haven't really made large scale attempts to do so. Yet.

Spain certainly isn't experiencing a revolution, although there is a great degree of social unrest there.

The 'UK Uprising' is a more complicated case which was certainly caused by social and economic conditions but seemed to lack a clear objective and has now fizzled out (we are now left with the rightist authoritarian reaction now).

It is also notable that China has been experiencing largescale rioting in this past week.

Greece is slightly different, I believe there is a genuine chance of that country evolving in the direction of a revolutionary situation - but they aren't there yet. The thing about Greece is there really doesn't seem to be an obvious capitalism alternative that can save the country's working class, and indeed the government, from oblivion.

So, as most of the responses to your threads go :p, I'd suggest you calm down a little bit. Things are definately progressing in an interesting way as violent class struggle seeps back into societies across the globe. :star2:

[scarletghoul]

2010s are gonna be 100 times better than the 1960s, thats for sure.

[RedMarxist]

sorry...I just got over exited. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, was Ben Ali subservient to America, or was he more like Libya's leadership, in that he was action on an independent foreign policy?

Greece, in my humble opinion, is experiencing a genuine revolution(or at the very least is experiencing a pre-revolutionary stage). It seems that anti-fascism, combined with true democratic appeals, has created a climate ripe for socialism(and not that phony crap they have now there in Greece). Last time I checked their website, they voted on the creation of worker councils, with a clear majority voting 'yes', as well as to extend the popular assemblies to the workplace.

but I'm getting off topic.

It seems America is seething at the ouster of Mubarak. They can't believe too that people actually do hate them, so all they can do is complain. I don't think(again, correct me if I'm wrong) the new government is sympathetic to America/Israel, and come election time(if they will have elections) possibly the Islamist parties could take power in one form or another.

I will try to be calm here. IMHO, this is revolution in its sheer, raw form. Like the Russian Revolution of 1917, it has clearly spread not only across the Arab world, but to Europe as well(esp. Greece).

I'll be honest here, and my parents/Bro will never understand. A combination of the 2008 market crash, the revolutions in the middle East, the Greek revolution or pre-revolution, Marxist literature(which my parents hate and don't want me to buy at he bookstore/read online-my mom and dad hated when I bought Bolsheviks in Power for some reason???), and my own personal political leanings caused me to "convert" to Marxism.

I am an atheist, and am a Marxist. I do believe I can get extreme sometimes, but I try to control it.

[Tommy4ever]

2010s are gonna be 100 times better than the 1960s, thats for sure.

Well, lets hope its the best decade for class struggle movements since the 60s and 70s. I'm not sure if we can hope for revolutionary situations in major first world countries, various leftist third world revolutions and intense class struggle just yet.

It seems so depressing that at such a moment of crisis in capitalism there is no international force coming out with a clear alternative that could channel class anger and frustrations into something that could effectively challenge the existing system.

@RM: IIRC Ben Ali was more a French puppet than an American one (the French have a great deal of influence in their former colonies in West and North Africa, its still basically an informal Empire).

Mubarak was indeed a close American ally, the current military government seems reasonably pro-West but the Islamist party (the Muslim Brotherhood) seems likely to capture power if elections go ahead (I wouldn't be suprised if the army attempts a coup to prevent this though). Obvs the Muslim Brotherhood is anti-American and anti-Israel, but don't get these moderate Islamists confused with the crazy folk ala Osama Bin Laden.

[RedMarxist]

Greece's unique "true democracy" is the only anti-capitalist revolutionary movement I can think of that could reasonably topple capitalism there and spread Europe, if not world wide.

One quick question: if "the revolution" spread across the whole of Europe and worked, how would America react if its people rose up against the president? would the ruling class use extreme violence, or be passive?

would America's rulers turn to fascism and cover up the "glories" and "miracles" occurring in Europe(by miracles I mean miracles increase in well everything-living conditions, schools and hospitals, etc. and by glories I mean worker control of industry, true democratic governing)

[piet11111]

The Greece movement leadership is doing its best to be "anti-political" and avoids all talks of socialism.

I would expect more from Egypt and Israel where the movements are far more political.

[CornetJoyce]

2010s are gonna be 100 times better than the 1960s, thats for sure.
lol That's what progressives said about the 1990s.

[CynicalIdealist]

Boo hoo. They don't like us imperialists for supporting Mubarak. :( Damn the oppressed. </Obama>

I'm tired of this American eternal victimhood. I believe Jimmy Carter said that the Vietnamese don't deserve an apology for the Vietnam War because "damage was done to both sides" or something like that.

Sorry, who bombed who again?

[RedMarxist]

it irritates me. America truly seems to believe that it is the victim, not the Egyptian people, whose "democracy" was suppressed by Mubarack, whom America supported and allowed to continue suppressing them(without American support how long could he honestly have lasted, eh?)

We killed like what, 3 million+ in Vietnam, compared to a "few tens of thousands" Americans.

remember when Joseph stalin said something like: "One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is only a statistic."

same thing here in Vietnam.

America is just going to have to accept that like any revolution, they bring changes. big changes. Under Mubarak, there was no chance in hell that the Muslim Brotherhood would/could be elected. Now that has all changed.

I do hope they get elected, just to see the looks on Israel's face. :lol:

[Ocean Seal]

Correct me if I'm wrong, was Ben Ali subservient to America, or was he more like Libya's leadership, in that he was action on an independent foreign policy?
Ben Ali was subservient to France, so more or less like Mumbarak was to America.



Greece, in my humble opinion, is experiencing a genuine revolution(or at the very least is experiencing a pre-revolutionary stage). It seems that anti-fascism, combined with true democratic appeals, has created a climate ripe for socialism(and not that phony crap they have now there in Greece). Last time I checked their website, they voted on the creation of worker councils, with a clear majority voting 'yes', as well as to extend the popular assemblies to the workplace.

The revolution seems almost too good in Greece. The only thing I fear is military intervention by the Western powers.

[Nox]

Perhaps there's a fucking reason for the Anti-Americanism!

[RedMarxist]

Oh Obama...

do you guys/gals really think that they could find a reason to freaking INVADE Greece?

Lets say the military gets dissolved by the people and some communal militia or something gets setup, and 99.9% love the nation, and the revolution spreads rapidly across all of Europe/World

how would our leaders(Prez, Prime Ministers) keep up their legitimacy? if Americans were bashing down the gates of the White House and setting up assemblies, how could the US Government call itself a democracy anymore

what I mean is would they resort to fascism? Sorry, I know no one can tell the future, but I'm just saying...what I'm not just saying :closedeyes:

[CHE with an AK]

Hmm, why would an Egyptian be mad at America's govt? :rolleyes:



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[Susurrus]

This is like when Neo-Nazis complain about their political freedoms being restricted.