How do left/council communists envision the dictatorship of the proletariat?

[Caj]

Also, how do De Leonists envision the DotP? Thanks.

[Caj]

As in how does their conception of the DotP differ from that of the Leninists' conception of the DotP?

[Broletariat]

The DotP is what happens when the economic struggle of the proletariat takes political form, I had an indepth discussion about this topic.

Hey what the fuck that was your topic, DID YOU LEARN NOTHING, nah I kid bro.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-dictatorship-proletariat-t158791/index.html?t=158791

[Caj]

Hey what the fuck that was your topic, DID YOU LEARN NOTHING, nah I kid bro.

Yeah, like I'm going to read through all 135 responses :p

[Caj]

I read through all of your responses on that thread, and I didn't come across anything that distinguishes the left/council communist and De Leonist conception of the DotP from the Leninist one...:unsure:

[Jose Gracchus]

Why don't you read the ICC's and ICT's description of the DOTP and compare it to conventional Leninist (ML and Trot) accounts?

[Aurora]

15. THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT

The seizure of political power by the proletariat on a world scale, the precondition for and the first stage in the revolutionary transformation of capitalist society, means in the first place the total destruction of the apparatus of the bourgeois state.

Since it is through its state that the bourgeoisie maintains its domination over society, its privileges, its exploitation of other classes and of the working class in particular, this organ is necessarily adapted to this function and cannot be used by the working class which has no privileges or exploitation to defend. In other words, there is no ‘peaceful road to socialism’: against the violence of the minority of exploiters exerted openly or hypocritically, but in any case more and more systematically by the bourgeoisie, the proletariat can only put forward its own revolutionary class violence.

As the lever of economic transformation of society, the dictatorship of the proletariat (i.e. the exclusive exercise of political power by the working class) will have the fundamental task of expropriating the exploiting class by socialising the means of production and progressively extending this socialised sector to all productive activities. On the basis of its political power, the proletariat will have to attack the political economy of the bourgeoisie by carrying forward an economic policy leading to the abolition of wage labour and commodity production and to the satisfaction of the needs of humanity.

During this period of transition from capitalism to communism, non-exploiting strata other than the proletariat will still exist, classes whose existence is based on the non-socialised sector of the economy. For this reason the class struggle will still exist as a manifestation of the contradictory economic interests within society. This will give rise to a state whose function will be to prevent these conflicts leading to society tearing itself apart. But with the progressive disappearance of these social classes through the integration of their members into the socialised sector, and with the eventual abolition of classes, the state will itself have to disappear.

The historically discovered form of the dictatorship of the proletariat is that of the workers’ councils – unitary, centralised and class-wide assemblies based on elected and revocable delegates which enable the whole class to exercise power in a truly collective manner. These councils will have a monopoly of the control of arms as the guarantee of the exclusive political power of the working class.

It is the working class as a whole which alone can wield power in order to undertake the transformation of society. For this reason in contrast to previous revolutionary classes, the proletariat cannot delegate power to any institution or minority, including the revolutionary minority itself. The latter will act within the councils, but its organisation cannot substitute itself for the unitary organisations of the class in the achievement of its historic goals.

Similarly, the experience of the Russian revolution has shown the complexity and seriousness of the problem of the relationship between the class and the state in the period of transition. In the coming period, the proletariat and revolutionaries cannot evade this problem, but must make every effort to resolve it.

The dictatorship of the proletariat implies the absolute rejection of the notion that the working class should subordinate itself to any external force and also the rejection of any relations of violence within the class. During the period of transition, the proletariat is the only revolutionary class within society: its consciousness and its cohesion are the essential guarantees that its dictatorship will result in communism.
This is the position of the ICC, a left communist group, on the DOTP.

Personally i don't think it's very well written but the point it conveys is Marx's view, the biggest letdown would be the last 3 paragraphs imho which are unclear.
03. Do you want a revolution for establishing the dictatorship of the communist party?
No. Only the proletariat has the duty of realizing the revolution and acquiring all power in its own hands; it’s up to the whole working class. “All power to the soviets”, to workers’ assemblies: this is our program and this is true democracy, proletarian democracy.

There will have to be the maximum level of democracy inside the class power organisms (which will express the will of the majority, if not of all workers) and maximum hardness (“dictatorship of the proletariat”) against those who stand outside and against (and in arms, in all probability) workers and their semi-state, i.e. the organization in councils. The semi-state which the proletariat will have to realize will be based on soviets or councils, and it will be destined to extinguish itself when the division in classes of the society will disappear. In fact, it is defined semi-state exactly because, differently from other states which succeeded in various historical epochs, it has not to perpetuate the domination of a class on another, instead it has to lead to the extinction of all classes and of itself with them.

Thus the “dictatorship of the proletariat” will consist in the exercise of strength by the whole working class, to remove the causes of the division in classes of the society. It will be the power of the large exploited majority on the exploiting minority, to deprive it of its privileges. Not the dictatorship of the party.
This is what i could find on the ICT website, another left communist group.

The council communists don't exist anymore and im not sure of any good sources on them.
The De Leonists website is http://www.slp.org/ no references to the DOTP as far as i can tell.