Philidelphia Imposes Curfew on Minors

[La Comédie Noire]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/12/pennsylvania.curfew/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

That's pretty fucked up when you pause to think about it. The youth have been basically made illegal.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

I think I can understand the logic in this "what good could the youth get into after 9 pm? None, only mischief," but ultimately, I think it's stupid, not like they can't do what they would do at 10 pm at 5 pm, really.

[gendoikari]

I think I can understand the logic in this "what good could the youth get into after 9 pm? None, only mischief," but ultimately, I think it's stupid, not like they can't do what they would do at 10 pm at 5 pm, really.

Bull fucking shit I usually stayed out to 2 a.m. at that age, and we never pulled any mishchief

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I used to pull mischief all the time after 9 pm with my friends, if they made it illegal to even be out after 9 it would have made it even funner.

But really this is stupid, night time is the best time to play hide and seek, kick the can, etc, illegalizing kids going out after 9 pm is only going to cause more of our youth to grow up hating the police.
EDIT: This guys name is Mayor Nutters wtf haha.

[Weezer]

Ageist reactionary bullshit, no other way to put it.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Bull fucking shit I usually stayed out to 2 a.m. at that age, and we never pulled any mishchief

Good for you, I'm sure many young people have, I was speaking in generalities related to the OP.

[RedSonRising]

Mayor Nutter sucks. He recently came out and told the black youth of Philly that they were "disgracing their race" and that they should "behave properly and pull their pants up, and stop getting tattoos". Typical racist culturalist bullshit that's coming from a black man alienated from the problems of his ethnic community due to his class environment consisting of prep schools and bourgeois politics for his whole life. Try doing something to educate and empower the poor of Philadelphia instead of suppressing and blaming them.

[Sensible Socialist]

Why not provide late-night activities and organizations for youth? Enforcing a curfew only alienates more youth who view it as an attack on their generation, and a ridiculous one at that. Who cares if teens are out in the streets? Work to make the streets safer and filled with productive forces. You can't sweep everything under the rug with blanket bans and call it a day.

[Veovis]

You better hope this evening's move doesn't run too long...

[LegendZ]

Mayor Nutter sucks. He recently came out and told the black youth of Philly that they were "disgracing their race" and that they should "behave properly and pull their pants up, and stop getting tattoos". Typical racist culturalist bullshit that's coming from a black man alienated from the problems of his ethnic community due to his class environment consisting of prep schools and bourgeois politics for his whole life. Try doing something to educate and empower the poor of Philadelphia instead of suppressing and blaming them.Lol. The problem with this excellent class analysis is that I hear this all the time from black people people not "alienated from the problems of his ethnic community due to his class environment consisting of prep schools and bourgeois politics for his whole life." People who lived back during segregation, after segregation, and more often younger black people who grew up in the same community as everyone else went through the same shit as everyone else and empowered themselves. Maybe they went to the secret prep school under the local high school. Maybe they got special treatment:rolleyes:. For whatever reason every black speaker I've heard that talked about bettering them self did it through empowering themselves. They always talk about the same spiel of "No one else can do anything for you, you need to do it for yourselves. Pull up your pants, and get your education." People who came from the SAME background. The SAME community. The SAME apartments. The SAME schools. Even went to the same jails. Did they beat the odds? Now are their circumstances different from a white person in the same city that went to a batter school? Yeah. Do they need to work a little harder? YEAH, Probably. But so did they're grandparents. Did that stop THEM? No they worked HARDER to show everyone. "Yeah I can get an A even WITH my circumstances. I can be better than YOU think I can with LESS." I have a friend who's grandmother walked to school. 2 Miles to and fro. And in the mornings when it rained the bus would drive right by and splash water all over her. And she went to school that way. When the bus would drive by the white kids on the bus would throw things and spit at her. Did that stop her from going to college(She dropped out after a year because she went down south for a summer job but ended up staying there and even opened her own beauty shop. Still she probably would have gotten a degree and done that anyway.)? And no she wasn't bourgeois. One pair of stockings and shoes isn't what anyone would call "privileged". Her husband had an 8th grade education and worked as a flight attendant. Not only that but her brother went to LAW school and BECAME a lawyer. Know what he says? The same thing the "alienated black man" up there says. Are class conditions then different from now? Yeah no doubt. But seeing as how what the grandparents went through was FAR worse and THEY all managed to do better than what whitey said they could and even did better than him, even with their massive inequality in nearly everything says a lot.

/rant

[RedSonRising]

Lol. The problem with this excellent class analysis is that I hear this all the time from black people people not "alienated from the problems of his ethnic community due to his class environment consisting of prep schools and bourgeois politics for his whole life." People who lived back during segregation, after segregation, and more often younger black people who grew up in the same community as everyone else went through the same shit as everyone else and empowered themselves. Maybe they went to the secret prep school under the local high school. Maybe they got special treatment:rolleyes:. For whatever reason every black speaker I've heard that talked about bettering them self did it through empowering themselves. They always talk about the same spiel of "No one else can do anything for you, you need to do it for yourselves. Pull up your pants, and get your education." People who came from the SAME background. The SAME community. The SAME apartments. The SAME schools. Even went to the same jails. Did they beat the odds? Now are their circumstances different from a white person in the same city that went to a batter school? Yeah. Do they need to work a little harder? YEAH, Probably. But so did they're grandparents. Did that stop THEM? No they worked HARDER to show everyone. "Yeah I can get an A even WITH my circumstances. I can be better than YOU think I can with LESS." I have a friend who's grandmother walked to school. 2 Miles to and fro. And in the mornings when it rained the bus would drive right by and splash water all over her. And she went to school that way. When the bus would drive by the white kids on the bus would throw things and spit at her. Did that stop her from going to college(She dropped out after a year because she went down south for a summer job but ended up staying there and even opened her own beauty shop. Still she probably would have gotten a degree and done that anyway.)? And no she wasn't bourgeois. One pair of stockings and shoes isn't what anyone would call "privileged". Her husband had an 8th grade education and worked as a flight attendant. Not only that but her brother went to LAW school and BECAME a lawyer. Know what he says? The same thing the "alienated black man" up there says. Are class conditions then different from now? Yeah no doubt. But seeing as how what the grandparents went through was FAR worse and THEY all managed to do better than what whitey said they could and even did better than him, even with their massive inequality in nearly everything says a lot.

/rant

Are you saying that because a few select individuals were conscious enough of their abilities to succeed despite their impoverished circumstances, that society is to reward those who overcome their conditions while forsaking those who haven't achieved that mentality?

People's ideas are shaped by their experiences, and even people living in the same conditions and community develop different world views and ideas of self-identification. I can almost guarantee that these people had certain qualities develop in themselves as children, or had a stable guide in their life at some point, or witnessed some sort of example that allowed them the mentality to hope for and realize a different reality for themselves. One lucky break or life event can make the difference between seizing an opportunity for personal success, and never knowing it existed in the first place; and in disadvantaged communities, those lucky breaks or fortunate opportunities to strive come rarely. It's easy to point to success stories like the one behind "Pursuit of Happyness" or countless others and use it as a way to falsify racism as a cause of poverty for a particular racial group, but that kind of focus ignores the overwhelming majority of poor blacks/Hispanics who fail to ever achieve that kind of consciousness because of their surrounding conditions.

I understand your point that personal responsibility must always be stressed, since it is related to personal empowerment and ultimately liberation, but if you deny the institutionally racial component to the destructive behaviors and criminal lifestyles adopted in these communities, then all your left with is a bigoted approach that assumes their "culture" and "stubbornness" is to blame.

And by the way, Nutter did have a privileged background on his way to becoming an influential politician, and my beef is not with the fact that he or any other blacks are successful due to their own merits and hard work; it's the fact that he is telling disadvantaged minorities to simply "stop their behavior" as if they are children with attitude problems, instead of lifting a finger to address the dire social situation of Philadelphia's population, and instead is oppressing the youth with a pointless and counter-productive instituted curfew.