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Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 00:59
WASHINGTON (AP) — The financially strapped U.S. Postal Service is considering cutting as many as 120,000 jobs.

Facing a second year of losses totaling $8 billion or more, the agency also wants to pull its workers out of the retirement and health benefits plans covering federal workers and set up its own benefit systems.

Congressional approval would be needed for either step, and both could be expected to face severe opposition from postal unions which have contracts that ban layoffs.

The post office has cut 110,000 jobs over the last four years and is currently engaged in eliminating 7,500 administrative staff. In its 2010 annual report, the agency said it had 583,908 career employees.

The loss of mail to the Internet and the decline in advertising caused by the recession have rocked the agency.

Postal officials have said they will be unable to make a $5.5 billion payment to cover future employee health care costs due Sept. 30. It is the only federal agency required to make such a payment but, because of the complex way government finances are counted, eliminating it would make the federal budget deficit appear $5.5 billion larger.

If Congress doesn't act and current losses continue, the post office will be unable to make that payment at the end of September because it will have reached its borrowing limit and simply won't have the cash to do so, the agency said earlier.

In that event, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said, "Our intent is to continue to deliver the mail, pay our employees and pay our suppliers."

Postal officials have sought congressional assistance repeatedly over the last few years, including requests to be allowed to end Saturday mail delivery, and several bills have been proposed, but none has been acted on.

In addition the post office recently said it is considering closing 3,653 post offices, stations and other facilities, about one-10th of its offices around the country, in an effort to save money. Offices under consideration for closing are largely rural with little traffic.

And in June the post office suspended contributions to its employees' pension fund, which it said was overfunded.

In its 2010 annual report the post office reported a loss of more than $8 billion on revenues of $67 billion and expenses of $75 billion.

And even while total mail volume fell from 202 billion items to 170 billion from 2008 to 2010 the number of places the agency has to deliver mail increased by 1.7 million as Americans built new homes, offices and businesses.

The latest cutback plans were first reported by The Washington Post, which said a notice to employees informing them of its proposals stated: "Financial crisis calls for significant actions, we will be insolvent next month due to significant declines in mail volume and retiree health benefit prefunding costs imposed by Congress."

Per Levy
12th August 2011, 01:02
holy shite, thats huge. is there is something that can be done there? a strike maybe? 120000 workers laid of in a time like this means that they and their familys are probally fucked.

Pretty Flaco
12th August 2011, 01:12
holy shite, thats huge. is there is something that can be done there? a strike maybe? 120000 workers laid of in a time like this means that they and their familys are probally fucked.

It's horrible, but I really don't think that there's much that can be done for the postal service. Because of the internet it's becoming increasing less useful and the need for it is declining.

Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 02:09
holy shite, thats huge. is there is something that can be done there? a strike maybe?

I don't think there's an individual solution for postal workers. A militant strike could possibly prevent some firings and closings, but for how long? As more and more workers are driven into worse and worse conditions a class-wide response becomes all the more necessary.


120000 workers laid of in a time like this means that they and their familys are probally fucked.

They've already cut 110,000 in the last few years. This will add to that.

Sensible Socialist
12th August 2011, 02:13
Damn, I've always respected Postal workers. They're out in rain or shine, in the heat and in the freezing cold. I'd hope there is some sort of resistance to the proposed lay-offs. This news gives ammo to people calling for it to be privatized.

Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 03:07
Because of the internet it's becoming increasing less useful and the need for it is declining.

Is that really the case? Sure more unsolicited advertising is done online now instead of through mass junk mailing. But the internet has lead to online shopping, which means more packages need to be sent.

There will be a need for mail for the foreseeable future. But the question for the capitalists is simply whether or not it can be profitable.

Fulanito de Tal
12th August 2011, 06:01
The lay offs don't depress me. What depresses me is that no one does anything about it.

Klaatu
12th August 2011, 06:25
The USPS could make up the shortfall by not offering cheap bulk-rate advertising rates.
This would:
(A) save the jobs, because more money would be coming in
(B) reduce the amount of JUNK mail clogging our mailboxes
(C) save a lot of trees

Klaatu
12th August 2011, 06:29
This news gives ammo to people calling for it to be privatized.

I don't think they can ever "privatize" the USPS, because it is an integral part of government, constitutionally speaking.
Besides, privatizing would make it even MORE expensive to run, as privatizing always does.

Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 14:27
It can absolutely be privatized.

From Wiki:

Japan Post (日本郵政公社 Nippon Yūsei Kōsha?) was a government-owned corporation in Japan, that existed from 2003–2007, offering postal and package delivery services, banking services, and life insurance. It had over 400,000 employees and ran 24,700 post offices throughout Japan and was the nation's largest employer. One third of all Japanese government employees worked for Japan Post. As of 2005, the president of the company was Masaharu Ikuta, formerly chairman of Mitsui O.S.K. Lines Ltd.

Japan Post ran the world's largest postal savings system and was often said to be the largest holder of personal savings in the world: with ¥224 trillion ($2.1 trillion) of household assets in its yū-cho savings accounts and ¥126 trillion ($1.2 trillion) of household assets in its kampo life insurance services, its holdings account for 25 percent of household assets in Japan. Japan Post also held about ¥140 trillion (one fifth) of the Japanese national debt in the form of government bonds.

On October 1, 2007 Japan Post was privatized following fierce political debate that was settled by the 2005 general election. After the privatization, the Japan Post Group companies operate the postal business.

Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 18:59
Hundreds of thousands of postal workers could soon lose their jobs, or face drastic changes to their benefits. According to documents obtained by CNNMoney, the United States Postal Service is appealing to Congress to remove collective bargaining restrictions in order to lay off 120,000 workers. It also wants congressional approval to replace existing government health care and retirement plans.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Postal-Service-urges-Congress-cnnm-1438592944.html

NoOneIsIllegal
12th August 2011, 19:18
To several posts:
The Postal Service is partially privatized to an extent (ever notice their trucks say "USPS.com" and not "USPS.gov"?), but I don't think they could privatize it 100%. It's an essential need, but who knows, this is the country that doesn't consider healthcare as an essential need.

Nothing Human Is Alien
12th August 2011, 20:24
It keeps getting better.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Postal Service would eliminate about 220,000 full-time jobs and shutter about 300 processing facilities by 2015 under a proposal to bring its finances in order, a postal official said on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/postal-looks-cut-220-000-jobs-175217611.html