Iraq

[ComradeRobertRiley]

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3204822.stm)


Iraqis celebrate the destruction of a US vehicle




These Iraqi's are enjoying some great american style freedom

[Kapitan Andrey]

Yea! Good image! :)

Almost everyone hate yankee! :angry:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I hate yankee, I love freedom and peace and equality.......everything the US isnt

[RevolucioN NoW]

It looks like popular resentment is growing against the occupation. A few months ago, this level of reaction was unheard of. Now the Iraqi people are starting to hate the human rights violations of US soldiers as well as their cultural insensitivity (the US continues to raid houses).

I just read Tariq Ali's new Book, Bush in Babylon. It explains how the Iraqi people have never accepted occupation, either by the British or now the Americans. They have always fought foriegn imposed regimes such as the Monarchy that exited until 1958.

:ph34r:

[Bradyman]

The whole idea of FORCING democracy is really stupid. It violates the whole concept of a democracy. Finally the Iraqi people realize this. Keep up the fight!

[Hawker]

I agree forcing people into a type of government is stupid and imperialistic.I say they should pick what type of government they want.

[Totalitarian]

The imperialists say that they are bringing "democracy" to iraq. But so far, no elections.

Maybe they are scared that the iraqis would vote the alien occupiers out of their country?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

yeah man, those bastards piss me off, why cant they keep their fat arses out of other peoples faces?

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 03:12 AM
I agree forcing people into a type of government is stupid and imperialistic.I say they should pick what type of government they want.
Yeah right....like Saddam gave them the choice?????? ROFL you guys are too much! I understand that many hate the US (I dont really care but I do certainly understand it) but cant anybody admitt that Iraq is better off without a dictator like Saddam? Does your hate for the US really infect people to the level that they would cheer a murdering dog like Saddam?????

[Desert Fox]

Well in like a blade cuts on both sides, so is the thing about the USA in Iraq. In one way they were a positive influence since they removed the despot Saddam. They may not have found any clear evidence of weapons of mass destruction but he was a menance for his people. And it was only normal they stayed some time after they defeated Saddam but now how many months have passed and they are still in control of the country. That is a negative influence they should have given the power to the people and see how they decide who will take control of the country, but they won't since they are way too busy thinking about how they can claim the Iraqee oil reserves for themselves (Iraq has the highest amount of oilreserves in the world + 10% of the total amount). And the people they see fit to rule the country are just a asskissings dumbasses that see no harm in being the puppets for America. Iraq has never been a fight for terrorism, the real terrorism is funded by Saudi-Arabië since they have the means and the desire for such actions but America dares not accuse them since they have the biggest oil stock in the world and have such a capital that they can strike back hard. At the end one must see that the etire crisis in Iraq is more a display of American greed and ignorance than of a benchmark in the fight against terrorism.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Bodyguard are you actually saying that GWB is better than SH?????

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 23 2003, 03:46 PM
Well in like a blade cuts on both sides, so is the thing about the USA in Iraq. In one way they were a positive influence since they removed the despot Saddam. They may not have found any clear evidence of weapons of mass destruction but he was a menance for his people. And it was only normal they stayed some time after they defeated Saddam but now how many months have passed and they are still in control of the country. That is a negative influence they should have given the power to the people and see how they decide who will take control of the country, but they won't since they are way too busy thinking about how they can claim the Iraqee oil reserves for themselves (Iraq has the highest amount of oilreserves in the world + 10% of the total amount). And the people they see fit to rule the country are just a asskissings dumbasses that see no harm in being the puppets for America. Iraq has never been a fight for terrorism, the real terrorism is funded by Saudi-Arabië since they have the means and the desire for such actions but America dares not accuse them since they have the biggest oil stock in the world and have such a capital that they can strike back hard. At the end one must see that the etire crisis in Iraq is more a display of American greed and ignorance than of a benchmark in the fight against terrorism.
Fox, it is too soon to leave Iraq.......if we left now (or several months ago) the members of Saddams ruling party would seize power back. Power can and will be given to the Iraqi people but it will take time. Dont fall for the propaganda about claiming the oil.....hey if we would have wanted it we would have done it already. Hell the fight in the Congress is weather or not to make the money for the rebuilding a loan or a grant. If we wanted to make it a loan that would be seen the wrong way.....I have seen very little about the new Iraqi leaders....anybody who is working with our forces will be slandered as lackeys for the US won't they? There were terror training camps in Iraq.......and yes, something smells in Saudi Arabia also, I agree. I think the removal of Saddam was in fact more in kin to removing a cancer in the region to save the whole place. Saddam was the most de-stabilizing figure in the Middle East. Get rid of him and it will be easier to root out the terrorists.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 04:28 PM
Bodyguard are you actually saying that GWB is better than SH?????
Ummmmmmmmmm let me think.......................YES! I have yet to see W's torture centers or mass graves of murdered innocents.....this thread is not about W. It is about Saddam and Iraq.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Bodyguard+Oct 23 2003, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bodyguard @ Oct 23 2003, 04:51 PM)
Desert [email protected] 23 2003, 03:46 PM
Well in like a blade cuts on both sides, so is the thing about the USA in Iraq. In one way they were a positive influence since they removed the despot Saddam. They may not have found any clear evidence of weapons of mass destruction but he was a menance for his people. And it was only normal they stayed some time after they defeated Saddam but now how many months have passed and they are still in control of the country. That is a negative influence they should have given the power to the people and see how they decide who will take control of the country, but they won&#39;t since they are way too busy thinking about how they can claim the Iraqee oil reserves for themselves (Iraq has the highest amount of oilreserves in the world + 10% of the total amount). And the people they see fit to rule the country are just a asskissings dumbasses that see no harm in being the puppets for America. Iraq has never been a fight for terrorism, the real terrorism is funded by Saudi-Arabië since they have the means and the desire for such actions but America dares not accuse them since they have the biggest oil stock in the world and have such a capital that they can strike back hard. At the end one must see that the etire crisis in Iraq is more a display of American greed and ignorance than of a benchmark in the fight against terrorism.
Fox, it is too soon to leave Iraq.......if we left now (or several months ago) the members of Saddams ruling party would seize power back. Power can and will be given to the Iraqi people but it will take time. Dont fall for the propaganda about claiming the oil.....hey if we would have wanted it we would have done it already. Hell the fight in the Congress is weather or not to make the money for the rebuilding a loan or a grant. If we wanted to make it a loan that would be seen the wrong way.....I have seen very little about the new Iraqi leaders....anybody who is working with our forces will be slandered as lackeys for the US won&#39;t they? There were terror training camps in Iraq.......and yes, something smells in Saudi Arabia also, I agree. I think the removal of Saddam was in fact more in kin to removing a cancer in the region to save the whole place. Saddam was the most de-stabilizing figure in the Middle East. Get rid of him and it will be easier to root out the terrorists. [/b]
Well you couldn&#39;t get the oil reserves if you wanted, since the oil machines were damaged during and after the war and it would be useless to drain the rescources since they main purpose is as reserve and not to be used immediatly. Well you have a valid point that servants of the old regime could claim the power once the allied and american forces would have left. But do you really think they have the strength to oppose the people&#39;s will and not to forget if they would try to claim the power agian that there would be a etire strike force back in Iraq within the 48 hours they would have assumed control. I think they won&#39;t approach the power anymore in a direct way but try to terrorise the current power forces.

PS: in the future don&#39;t double post but quote both of the people above you in one post ;)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Bodyguard: do you think the US was right to invade Iraq?

If the answer is no, then you cannot say that the US should stay in Iraq.

GWB is responsible for many innocent civilian deaths.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 06:20 PM
Bodyguard: do you think the US was right to invade Iraq?

If the answer is no, then you cannot say that the US should stay in Iraq.

GWB is responsible for many innocent civilian deaths.
Yes, I do. Since we invaded them we should stay unill they have some sort of representative government. To leave now would be stupid and would be inviting Saddam to try to return. It took several years before Germany and Japan were ready to be on their own....why does everybody have their panties in a wad about our not leaving yet??? It has only been 6 months&#33; Can you please point out to me the "many civilian deaths" GWB has been responsible for and in wich country?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Bodyguard+Oct 23 2003, 06:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bodyguard @ Oct 23 2003, 06:35 PM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 06:20 PM
Bodyguard: do you think the US was right to invade Iraq?

If the answer is no, then you cannot say that the US should stay in Iraq.

GWB is responsible for many innocent civilian deaths.
Yes, I do. Since we invaded them we should stay unill they have some sort of representative government. To leave now would be stupid and would be inviting Saddam to try to return. It took several years before Germany and Japan were ready to be on their own....why does everybody have their panties in a wad about our not leaving yet??? It has only been 6 months&#33; Can you please point out to me the "many civilian deaths" GWB has been responsible for and in wich country? [/b]
Well this is such a hard topic really, I think Saddam will always try to come back in some way, but it will be hard to do it in a direct way, he knows that and will try a more subjective way. But the USA can stay 6 months or 6 years they won&#39;t change the hearts of the people and how longer they stay there, the more anti-us they will become. And how much money and manlives does this occupation not cost, it is really not my concern but I think the american tax payers don&#39;t like the fact they have to spent money to control a people that lives so many km away from them.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

civilian deaths in Iraq and afganistan, I know the CNN and FOX networks dont show the US public anywhere near the full extent of what actually happens, I was living in England at the time and we got to see alot more that the US public did, many civilians were killed, but its nothing new for the US. Take Vietnam or somalia for example, many many civilian deaths

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 10:33 PM
civilian deaths in Iraq and afganistan, I know the CNN and FOX networks dont show the US public anywhere near the full extent of what actually happens, I was living in England at the time and we got to see alot more that the US public did, many civilians were killed, but its nothing new for the US. Take Vietnam or somalia for example, many many civilian deaths
Oh come on....the BBC has lost most of the confidence of British people..........the pot should not call the kettle black, ay?

[Intifada]

the bbc is fucked up, that&#39;s a fact. whenever an american soldier dies it&#39;s headline news, whenever iraqis die the news never gets coverage. it&#39;s bias, but so is nearly every news channel.

however, everyone knows that fox is absolute bullshit. :D

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 10:33 PM
civilian deaths in Iraq and afganistan, I know the CNN and FOX networks dont show the US public anywhere near the full extent of what actually happens, I was living in England at the time and we got to see alot more that the US public did, many civilians were killed, but its nothing new for the US. Take Vietnam or somalia for example, many many civilian deaths
You saw more that was true, but you saw almost nothing. The truth is coverd up in both US and UK enovirments. If people saw the truth, they would be way more anti-occupation than they are now. But a cover up of the truth by the media is nothing new, they don&#39;t want to lose any goverment funds or help by publishing rather nasty things about their campaign. But like in any war the soldiers were cruel against the population of the country they had to conquer that happens in every war and I fail to see what is new in the war in Iraq ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

WTF are you talking about&#33;?

Saddam - Bloody bastard, that made an ORDER in th country...
Bush - fuckin&#39; bastard, that crushed old ORDER, and made mass DISORDERS and hatred of Iraqis&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 27 2003, 10:14 AM
WTF are you talking about&#33;?

Saddam - Bloody bastard, that made an ORDER in th country...
Bush - fuckin&#39; bastard, that crushed old ORDER, and made mass DISORDERS and hatred of Iraqis&#33;&#33;&#33;
So you have sympathy for a man that created order in a country thanx to violence, cruelties and others. You sound like a Stalinist. Well their was always hate in the Iraqee people when under Saddam or under USA control since that you can&#39;t achieve a goverment that every group is satisfied with. I won&#39;t judge the raid on Iraq but I do judge the occupation of Iraq. Let the people decide who they want as leader and see how it goes, they can always go back if they see fit and hopefully that time for some valid reasons ;)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox...shut up, nazy&#33; :angry:

Iraqi people WANT TO CHOOSE THEIR LEADER...but yankee&#33;&#33;&#33;...got another opinion&#33;&#33;&#33;...on the OIL&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 27 2003, 11:09 AM
Desert Fox...shut up, nazy&#33; :angry:

Iraqi people WANT TO CHOOSE THEIR LEADER...but yankee&#33;&#33;&#33;...got another opinion&#33;&#33;&#33;...on the OIL&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
Well you have read my other thread about my change of thoughts than you would know better than calling me a nazI. Well we all know that America wants their oil supplies, even a five year old knows that. But this thread is about if it was justified they discared Saddam and not about why the war started at the first place. Read the first post before you post. And rephrase your sentences ;)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

No it isnt desert fox. I started this thread and its about Iraqi people not wanting yanks in their country, they hate the yanks. Thats what this is about and theres proof in the first post.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:24 AM
the bbc is fucked up, that&#39;s a fact. whenever an american soldier dies it&#39;s headline news, whenever iraqis die the news never gets coverage. it&#39;s bias, but so is nearly every news channel.

however, everyone knows that fox is absolute bullshit. :D
There have been 402 cohilition fatalities, and the BBC have not had a report on all of those deaths, infact apart from the first few they havent had any reposrts I have see. I know this because I watch the BBC every day.

Please refrain from chatting out your ass in future.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

BBC is much better than the USA shit.

I look at BBC and Euro News every day.

Euro News (http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=accueil_info)

BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 10:08 PM
No it isnt desert fox. I started this thread and its about Iraqi people not wanting yanks in their country, they hate the yanks. Thats what this is about and theres proof in the first post.
Than my apoligies. Nobody likes to be occupated by a foreign people, so it&#39;s only normal that Iraq people don&#39;t like the US in their country. But the explanation of the US gets weaker and gets more lies when the days passes. If they really came to anhilate saddam than they should already have left but no , they plan to stay there for a long time and the US doesn&#39;t only harm the Iraq people with such politics but also the american people since the occupation costs them their sons/fathers/husbands/daughters/mothers/wives and not to forget the taxes they have to pay to support the military.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Yea, Fox, shut up and don&#39;t play a fool&#33;&#33;&#33;

...really I didn&#39;t understood your last post... :huh:

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Bodyguard+Oct 23 2003, 04:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bodyguard @ Oct 23 2003, 04:58 AM)
[email protected] 21 2003, 03:12 AM
I agree forcing people into a type of government is stupid and imperialistic.I say they should pick what type of government they want.
Yeah right....like Saddam gave them the choice?????? ROFL you guys are too much&#33; I understand that many hate the US (I dont really care but I do certainly understand it) but cant anybody admitt that Iraq is better off without a dictator like Saddam? Does your hate for the US really infect people to the level that they would cheer a murdering dog like Saddam????? [/b]
The US government, a pack of murderers themselves, obviously believed that SH was a-ok when they supplied him with weapons to kill iranians with.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Bodyguard+Oct 23 2003, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bodyguard @ Oct 23 2003, 12:55 PM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 04:28 PM
Bodyguard are you actually saying that GWB is better than SH?????
Ummmmmmmmmm let me think.......................YES&#33; I have yet to see W&#39;s torture centers or mass graves of murdered innocents.....this thread is not about W. It is about Saddam and Iraq. [/b]
Ummmm......maybe you should check out the prisoners in Guantanamo. What about the 7000+ civilians the U&#036; killed during the invasion?

Do a Google search and check out the "Mile of Death" from Desert Storm I. That was nothing short of wanton slaughter.

If the School of the Americas isn&#39;t a torture center, then what is?

I know it&#39;s hard to believe that if it isn&#39;t on FoxNews at 6 o&#39;clock, that it exists, but you&#39;ll just have to go out and seek real news from real sources.

Saddam was enabled by the U&#036; for all of his attrocities. That makes the U&#036;, GW I and GW II every bit as bad if not worse.

Spare me with this U&#036; righteous bullshit.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 28 2003, 09:46 AM
Yea, Fox, shut up and don&#39;t play a fool&#33;&#33;&#33;

...really I didn&#39;t understood your last post... :huh:
To make it simplistic the continuation of the occupation of Iraq is not only bad for the Iraqee people but for the American people as well. And not all of the protest actions that happen in Iraq are from Iraqee people themselves.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Oct 28 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Oct 28 2003, 10:43 AM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 10:08 PM
No it isnt desert fox. I started this thread and its about Iraqi people not wanting yanks in their country, they hate the yanks. Thats what this is about and theres proof in the first post.
Than my apoligies. Nobody likes to be occupated by a foreign people, so it&#39;s only normal that Iraq people don&#39;t like the US in their country. But the explanation of the US gets weaker and gets more lies when the days passes. If they really came to anhilate saddam than they should already have left but no , they plan to stay there for a long time and the US doesn&#39;t only harm the Iraq people with such politics but also the american people since the occupation costs them their sons/fathers/husbands/daughters/mothers/wives and not to forget the taxes they have to pay to support the military. [/b]
no problem and I agree with your post

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Yeah distgastapated you tell bodyguard the real shit :D

see what bodyguard replies with lol probably wont get any reply, some people are so ignorant of the facts

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Oct 28 2003, 12:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Oct 28 2003, 12:49 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 12:55 PM

[email protected] 23 2003, 04:28 PM
Bodyguard are you actually saying that GWB is better than SH?????
Ummmmmmmmmm let me think.......................YES&#33; I have yet to see W&#39;s torture centers or mass graves of murdered innocents.....this thread is not about W. It is about Saddam and Iraq.
Ummmm......maybe you should check out the prisoners in Guantanamo. What about the 7000+ civilians the U&#036; killed during the invasion?

Do a Google search and check out the "Mile of Death" from Desert Storm I. That was nothing short of wanton slaughter.

If the School of the Americas isn&#39;t a torture center, then what is?

I know it&#39;s hard to believe that if it isn&#39;t on FoxNews at 6 o&#39;clock, that it exists, but you&#39;ll just have to go out and seek real news from real sources.

Saddam was enabled by the U&#036; for all of his attrocities. That makes the U&#036;, GW I and GW II every bit as bad if not worse.

Spare me with this U&#036; righteous bullshit. [/b]
So by that logic if I give you a gun and you go into a school and shoot dead 30 children that makes me worse than you... Even though it isnt me who&#39;s pulling the trigger? No stop trying to shift the blame for Saddams crimes against humanity, they have been pinned, deservedly, on saddams chest.

[Sabocat]

So by that logic if I give you a gun and you go into a school and shoot dead 30 children that makes me worse than you... Even though it isnt me who&#39;s pulling the trigger? No stop trying to shift the blame for Saddams crimes against humanity, they have been pinned, deservedly, on saddams chest.


No....I&#39;m saying if you give me a gun, knowing full well that I have sociopathic behavior and that I&#39;ve been saying that I would like to kill those school children, then yes, you are as bad as me.

Are you insinuating that the U&#036; had no prior knowledge of what kind of guy Saddam was? He never expressed any interest in battling Iran? That&#39;s pure naivitae.

Ever heard the term accomplice? In the U&#036;, there is a law that if you have prior knowledge of a killing, or assist in the killing and do nothing or don&#39;t report it, you are considered an accessory to the crime and face similar punishment.

No one is saying Saddam is a sweet fellow, but equal blame can be laid squarely on his "handlers".

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:44 PM

So by that logic if I give you a gun and you go into a school and shoot dead 30 children that makes me worse than you... Even though it isnt me who&#39;s pulling the trigger? No stop trying to shift the blame for Saddams crimes against humanity, they have been pinned, deservedly, on saddams chest.


No....I&#39;m saying if you give me a gun, knowing full well that I have sociopathic behavior and that I&#39;ve been saying that I would like to kill those school children, then yes, you are as bad as me.

Are you insinuating that the U&#036; had no prior knowledge of what kind of guy Saddam was? He never expressed any interest in battling Iran? That&#39;s pure naivitae.

Ever heard the term accomplice? In the U&#036;, there is a law that if you have prior knowledge of a killing, or assist in the killing and do nothing or don&#39;t report it, you are considered an accessory to the crime and face similar punishment.

No one is saying Saddam is a sweet fellow, but equal blame can be laid squarely on his "handlers".
No....I&#39;m saying if you give me a gun, knowing full well that I have sociopathic behavior and that I&#39;ve been saying that I would like to kill those school children, then yes, you are as bad as me.

True you could argue that, and I actually belive that the USA did know what Saddam was like, but I doubt they quite expected him to launch a murderous campain against the Kurds, the Shi&#39;a, the oppersition... Oh yeah and the Kuaites. Well the obviously didnt expect the last, as Kuaite was selling the USA oil.

Ever heard the term accomplice? In the U&#036;, there is a law that if you have prior knowledge of a killing, or assist in the killing and do nothing or don&#39;t report it, you are considered an accessory to the crime and face similar punishment.


Yeah I had heard of that term before, but why dont they arrest all gun shop owners in America? Considering that they know that some of these purchased arms will be used to kill people?

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Oct 28 2003, 11:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Oct 28 2003, 11:49 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 12:55 PM

[email protected] 23 2003, 04:28 PM
Bodyguard are you actually saying that GWB is better than SH?????
Ummmmmmmmmm let me think.......................YES&#33; I have yet to see W&#39;s torture centers or mass graves of murdered innocents.....this thread is not about W. It is about Saddam and Iraq.
Ummmm......maybe you should check out the prisoners in Guantanamo. What about the 7000+ civilians the U&#036; killed during the invasion?

Do a Google search and check out the "Mile of Death" from Desert Storm I. That was nothing short of wanton slaughter.

If the School of the Americas isn&#39;t a torture center, then what is?

I know it&#39;s hard to believe that if it isn&#39;t on FoxNews at 6 o&#39;clock, that it exists, but you&#39;ll just have to go out and seek real news from real sources.

Saddam was enabled by the U&#036; for all of his attrocities. That makes the U&#036;, GW I and GW II every bit as bad if not worse.

Spare me with this U&#036; righteous bullshit. [/b]
The prisoners at Guantanamo have it far easier than they ever did in Afganistan fighting for the Taliban. (going to defend the Taliban also?)

The "Mile of Death" was a colum of miltary vehicles filled with loot stolen from Kuwate City...it was a legitimat military target. If you were really informed about history then you would know that Bush 41 stopped the attack after the first day to the amazement of the Air Force.

If you consider news from leftist sources "real news" then you are the one who need to get out more. I read many different sources every to try and get a balanced pic of the news.....what sources do you read?


We did indeed support Saddam when we felt he would be a stable alternative to the Islamic revolution then going on in Iran. But guess what?? times change and so do alliances......Stalin enabled Hitler to attack Poland but then became an enemy of Germany....so nice try.

Spare me your Anti-American whining....

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 02:37 PM
Yeah distgastapated you tell bodyguard the real shit :D

see what bodyguard replies with lol probably wont get any reply, some people are so ignorant of the facts
I reply to most any intelligent post or arguement. Several posters on here have made good arguements and some use "facts" of dubious sources and "history" that has never been in any book. Oh and some just spew foul language and insults in order to intimidate.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:30 PM
We did indeed support Saddam when we felt he would be a stable alternative to the Islamic revolution then going on in Iran. But guess what?? times change and so do alliances......Stalin enabled Hitler to attack Poland but then became an enemy of Germany....so nice try.


True, if you see the evolution of Europe you will see how many alliances there have been between various countries. But you can&#39;t really take Stalin and Hitler&#39;s alliance as example since Hitler betrayed Stalin and I don&#39;t see how Iraq betrayed America in any way. If you really want to give a good example than take Europe before the industrial revolution as example since your example of Stalin and Hitler can&#39;t be compared to Iraq and USA ;)

[Sabocat]

The prisoners at Guantanamo have it far easier than they ever did in Afganistan fighting for the Taliban. (going to defend the Taliban also?)

The "Mile of Death" was a colum of miltary vehicles filled with loot stolen from Kuwate City...it was a legitimat military target. If you were really informed about history then you would know that Bush 41 stopped the attack after the first day to the amazement of the Air Force.

If you consider news from leftist sources "real news" then you are the one who need to get out more. I read many different sources every to try and get a balanced pic of the news.....what sources do you read?


We did indeed support Saddam when we felt he would be a stable alternative to the Islamic revolution then going on in Iran. But guess what?? times change and so do alliances......Stalin enabled Hitler to attack Poland but then became an enemy of Germany....so nice try.

Spare me your Anti-American whining....



I don&#39;t really have to defend the Taliban do I? I mean the U&#036; did a fine job of that when we were using them to fight the Russians.

The mile of death was a (now pay close attention here) RETREATING column. According to the Geneva conventions, it&#39;s illegal (as well as immoral) to attack a retreating force. As far as the "loot" stolen from Kuwait, I&#39;m sure it doesn&#39;t make up for the oil stolen from Iraqs oil fields by Kuwait. As far as Bush I stopping the attack after the first day, (and it was Colin Powell by the way), please tell me, in that column what was left to attack?

As far as what sources I read, I read and watch many. CNN, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera etc. Leftist media... :lol: :lol:

Here&#39;s a picture of the mile of death...look closely....what kind of military vehicle is a bus and a passenger car?

[Sabocat]

Enigma,


True you could argue that, and I actually belive that the USA did know what Saddam was like, but I doubt they quite expected him to launch a murderous campain against the Kurds, the Shi&#39;a, the oppersition... Oh yeah and the Kuaites. Well the obviously didnt expect the last, as Kuaite was selling the USA oil.

I don&#39;t know why we didn&#39;t expect him to kill the Kurds, we were provoking them to attack him. We definitely knew he was going after Kuwait. Iraq asked Ambassador Glaspie for an opinion of an invasion to which was replied " The U&#036; has no opinion on Arab against Arab conflict." If that wasn&#39;t a clear indication of a possible invasion then I don&#39;t know what is.



Yeah I had heard of that term before, but why dont they arrest all gun shop owners in America? Considering that they know that some of these purchased arms will be used to kill people?

It is illegal to sell a gun in the U&#036; without a full backround check and 5 day waiting period. That&#39;s called due dilligence. Of course you can&#39;t hold a gun seller responsible for someone who may have checked out okay and then decided to go on a rampage. You could reasonably however, hold a gun seller responsible for selling a gun to a convicted/escaped killer.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:57 PM
It is illegal to sell a gun in the U&#036; without a full backround check and 5 day waiting period. That&#39;s called due dilligence. Of course you can&#39;t hold a gun seller responsible for someone who may have checked out okay and then decided to go on a rampage. You could reasonably however, hold a gun seller responsible for selling a gun to a convicted/escaped killer.
In theory yes, but we both know that realty is quit diff. How many undercover tapes I have not seen of people that are younger than 18 buying guns just like that. That law is not quit respected and most of the americans have a gun, I personally am glad I don&#39;t live there, since you can be blown away by your average joe there :P

[ComradeRobertRiley]

When im stateing something and not insulting someone I nearly always put a link to where the info came from e.g. the start of this thread had a link to a BBC news report on Iraqis celebrating after a US vehicle had been destroyed.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

"If we don&#39;t do this the Americans will never leave"

Athal Ibrahim

Source:
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3215137.stm)

"If we don&#39;t do this the Americans will never leave. If we don&#39;t attack them they&#39;ll feel like welcome guests, and they are not."

"Just this morning I saw a US soldier beat an Iraqi man in the street. Some time ago in Kadhimiya I saw a man being shot three times just because he was standing and staring at the soldiers. We ran away so I don&#39;t know what happened to him.

"We want to live in peace," she says. "Why this harsh treatment? It is like Saddam."


You read that bodyguard??


US as bad as Saddam


Once again the info this comes from can be found here:
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3215137.stm)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 07:19 PM
I nearly always put a link to where the info came from e.g. the start of this thread had a link to a BBC news report on Iraqis celebrating after a US vehicle had been destroyed.
I am sorry but I can hardly post a link to a tv docu I have seen. I would first have to search in the archives of the site and than translate everything since I don&#39;t think you understand any dutch. I would do that normally to show I can back up my statements too but the lack of time makes that rather difficult :(

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Oct 28 2003, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Oct 28 2003, 02:49 PM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 05:57 PM
It is illegal to sell a gun in the U&#036; without a full backround check and 5 day waiting period. That&#39;s called due dilligence. Of course you can&#39;t hold a gun seller responsible for someone who may have checked out okay and then decided to go on a rampage. You could reasonably however, hold a gun seller responsible for selling a gun to a convicted/escaped killer.
In theory yes, but we both know that realty is quit diff. How many undercover tapes I have not seen of people that are younger than 18 buying guns just like that. That law is not quit respected and most of the americans have a gun, I personally am glad I don&#39;t live there, since you can be blown away by your average joe there :P [/b]
Actually, the law makes selling a firearm without the proper procedure a federal offense. It is taken quite seriously.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Oct 28 2003, 09:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Oct 28 2003, 09:32 PM)
Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 28 2003, 02:49 PM

[email protected] 28 2003, 05:57 PM
It is illegal to sell a gun in the U&#036; without a full backround check and 5 day waiting period. That&#39;s called due dilligence. Of course you can&#39;t hold a gun seller responsible for someone who may have checked out okay and then decided to go on a rampage. You could reasonably however, hold a gun seller responsible for selling a gun to a convicted/escaped killer.
In theory yes, but we both know that realty is quit diff. How many undercover tapes I have not seen of people that are younger than 18 buying guns just like that. That law is not quit respected and most of the americans have a gun, I personally am glad I don&#39;t live there, since you can be blown away by your average joe there :P
Actually, the law makes selling a firearm without the proper procedure a federal offense. It is taken quite seriously. [/b]
That can be that the law is a tough law, but we both know that some laws aren&#39;t respected and even the punishment for those that offend is hard, most of them skip it and I am sure that in some states they don&#39;t even bother to enforce such laws. We both know that the difference between making a law and enforcing it is enormous ;)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

plus there is always (I know for sure in England) corrupt police who let peaple take drugs and shit because they do as well.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:46 PM

The prisoners at Guantanamo have it far easier than they ever did in Afganistan fighting for the Taliban. (going to defend the Taliban also?)

The "Mile of Death" was a colum of miltary vehicles filled with loot stolen from Kuwate City...it was a legitimat military target. If you were really informed about history then you would know that Bush 41 stopped the attack after the first day to the amazement of the Air Force.

If you consider news from leftist sources "real news" then you are the one who need to get out more. I read many different sources every to try and get a balanced pic of the news.....what sources do you read?


We did indeed support Saddam when we felt he would be a stable alternative to the Islamic revolution then going on in Iran. But guess what?? times change and so do alliances......Stalin enabled Hitler to attack Poland but then became an enemy of Germany....so nice try.

Spare me your Anti-American whining....



I don&#39;t really have to defend the Taliban do I? I mean the U&#036; did a fine job of that when we were using them to fight the Russians.

The mile of death was a (now pay close attention here) RETREATING column. According to the Geneva conventions, it&#39;s illegal (as well as immoral) to attack a retreating force. As far as the "loot" stolen from Kuwait, I&#39;m sure it doesn&#39;t make up for the oil stolen from Iraqs oil fields by Kuwait. As far as Bush I stopping the attack after the first day, (and it was Colin Powell by the way), please tell me, in that column what was left to attack?

As far as what sources I read, I read and watch many. CNN, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera etc. Leftist media... :lol: :lol:

Here&#39;s a picture of the mile of death...look closely....what kind of military vehicle is a bus and a passenger car?
It is not against the Geneva Convention to attack a retreating military column...only if it has surrendered formally and is traveling under a flag of truce (which it was not) . Nice try to justify the invasion of Kuwait as just going to get what was "stolen" from Iraq. We stopped attacking the soldiers that were fleeing on foot....do your read any history or just look at the pictures?
The bus and the passenger car were part of the loot DUH....the Iraqis grabbed anything with four wheels and stuffed it with everthing they could steal and made a break for it. It was the President that ordered the attacks to stop.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:03 PM
"If we don&#39;t do this the Americans will never leave"

Athal Ibrahim

Source:
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3215137.stm)

"If we don&#39;t do this the Americans will never leave. If we don&#39;t attack them they&#39;ll feel like welcome guests, and they are not."

"Just this morning I saw a US soldier beat an Iraqi man in the street. Some time ago in Kadhimiya I saw a man being shot three times just because he was standing and staring at the soldiers. We ran away so I don&#39;t know what happened to him.

"We want to live in peace," she says. "Why this harsh treatment? It is like Saddam."


You read that bodyguard??


US as bad as Saddam


Once again the info this comes from can be found here:
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3215137.stm)
Do you honestly think that by posting a quote like that you somehow prove anything? That Iraqi was either a liar or a retard or maybye both. Gee do you think the US will torture Iraqi athletes if they dont win a gold medal in the Olympics? Unless you think random torture is a good idea. I dont suppose you will show how the US is keeping people fed....is restoring water and elec service to better than pre-war levels......how the economy is being spurred by small businessmen all over Iraq......if you really believe deep in your heart that the US really treats Iraqis the same or worse than Saddam did then you are living in a different world that reality does not penetrate.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 09:38 PM
plus there is always (I know for sure in England) corrupt police who let peaple take drugs and shit because they do as well.
Hell, corruption within police is everywhere. You will find in every city in the world a dirty cop and that is only normal since there is always something that feel he/she being wronged by his/her employer and wants to do something extra because he/she deserves it.

[Sabocat]

It is not against the Geneva Convention to attack a retreating military column...only if it has surrendered formally and is traveling under a flag of truce (which it was not) . Nice try to justify the invasion of Kuwait as just going to get what was "stolen" from Iraq. We stopped attacking the soldiers that were fleeing on foot....do your read any history or just look at the pictures?
The bus and the passenger car were part of the loot DUH....the Iraqis grabbed anything with four wheels and stuffed it with everthing they could steal and made a break for it. It was the President that ordered the attacks to stop.

Before shooting your mouth off, perhaps you should actually read the facts.


Incinerated body of an Iraqi soldier on the "Highway of Death," a name the press has given to the road from Mutlaa, Kuwait, to Basra, Iraq. U.S. planes immobilized the convoy by disabling vehicles at its front and rear, then bombing and straffing the resulting traffic jam for hours. More than 2,000 vehicles and tens of thousands of charred and dismembered bodies littered the sixty miles of highway. The clear rapid incineration of the human being [pictured above] suggests the use of napalm, phosphorus, or other incindiary bombs. These are anti-personnel weapons outlawed under the 1977 Geneva Protocols. This massive attack occurred after Saddam Hussein announced a complete troop withdrawl from Kuwait in compliance with UN Resolution 660. Such a massacre of withdrawing Iraqi soldiers violates the Geneva Convention of 1949, common article 3, which outlaws the killing of soldiers who "are out of combat." There are, in addition, strong indications that many of those killed were Palestinian and Kuwaiti civilians trying to escape the impending seige of Kuwait City and the return of Kuwaiti armed forces. No attempt was made by U.S. military command to distinguish between military personnel and civilians on the "highway of death." The whole intent of international law with regard to war is to prevent just this sort of indescriminate and excessive use of force.


http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Bodyguard, how can you be so completely blind to the truth?

Its their click the link read the news, its not the first amd it wont be the last case of USA killing innocent civilians.

[Bodyguard]

The link that was posted is hardly from an impartial source. The act of retreating and "out of combat" does not apply to this case. The acts were criminal because of the looting of Kuwait. The column was obvioulsy a military one and was not just withdrawing, it was filled with loot from dead Kuwaitis.....in war civilians will be killed that is for sure....the difference is that the US tries to avoid civilian casulties as much as possible....can you say the same for Iraq? Ask a Kuwaiti what they think of Saddam.....then ask them how they feel about the US.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 04:01 PM
Bodyguard, how can you be so completely blind to the truth?


What do you expect from a nationalist ? There is a reason why he is restricted and you don&#39;t have to be a genious to figure that one out. I don&#39;t take most of bodyguard&#39;s serious since they are from dubious scources. No offense bodyguard but that is just my humble opinion ;)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

If you are going to ignore facts then im wasteing my breath.

Fact is the Iraqis dont yank the yanks in their country.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 02:21 PM
The link that was posted is hardly from an impartial source. The act of retreating and "out of combat" does not apply to this case. The acts were criminal because of the looting of Kuwait. The column was obvioulsy a military one and was not just withdrawing, it was filled with loot from dead Kuwaitis.....in war civilians will be killed that is for sure....the difference is that the US tries to avoid civilian casulties as much as possible....can you say the same for Iraq? Ask a Kuwaiti what they think of Saddam.....then ask them how they feel about the US.
The act of retreat does apply in this case, because the day before, Hussein had announced the withdrawal. Are your reading comprehension skills really this low or are you just stubborn?

Why is my source not impartial? If you look carefully, you&#39;d realize that it was written by Ramsey Clark. Ramsey Clark served as U.S. Attorney General in the administration of Lyndon Johnson. I would say he is infinitely more credible than you.

You&#39;re saying that the end all be all of opinion on Iraq should be from the population of a Client State to the U&#036;? That&#39;s just funny.

Ask an Iraqi what they think about Kuwait.

I don&#39;t suppose you have any proof of the "loot stolen from dead Kuwait&#39;s" do you? I&#39;m sure one of your impartial news organizations will have it. Like Fox or CNN I&#39;m sure. Maybe you just get your info from ***************, a place that you would be infinitely more comfortable in than here.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Oct 29 2003, 08:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Oct 29 2003, 08:12 PM)
[email protected] 29 2003, 02:21 PM
The link that was posted is hardly from an impartial source. The act of retreating and "out of combat" does not apply to this case. The acts were criminal because of the looting of Kuwait. The column was obvioulsy a military one and was not just withdrawing, it was filled with loot from dead Kuwaitis.....in war civilians will be killed that is for sure....the difference is that the US tries to avoid civilian casulties as much as possible....can you say the same for Iraq? Ask a Kuwaiti what they think of Saddam.....then ask them how they feel about the US.
The act of retreat does apply in this case, because the day before, Hussein had announced the withdrawal. Are your reading comprehension skills really this low or are you just stubborn?

Why is my source not impartial? If you look carefully, you&#39;d realize that it was written by Ramsey Clark. Ramsey Clark served as U.S. Attorney General in the administration of Lyndon Johnson. I would say he is infinitely more credible than you.

You&#39;re saying that the end all be all of opinion on Iraq should be from the population of a Client State to the U&#036;? That&#39;s just funny.

Ask an Iraqi what they think about Kuwait.

I don&#39;t suppose you have any proof of the "loot stolen from dead Kuwait&#39;s" do you? I&#39;m sure one of your impartial news organizations will have it. Like Fox or CNN I&#39;m sure. Maybe you just get your info from ***************, a place that you would be infinitely more comfortable in than here. [/b]
Ramsey Clark is only more credible in YOUR eyes because he turned so rabidly anti-American in the early 70&#39;s. I am saying that by asking Iraqs neighbors about Saddam is more credible than what you or even Ramsey Clark thinks. Kuwait loaned Saddam billions to fight the Iran war.....when they had the nerve to call in the loan, Iraq invaded them. Because I defend my country does not gove you the right to accuse me of having racist feelings and attitudes like the members of Stormfront. Is that how you discuss things?.......by throwing out baseless accusations when frustrated or angry? Stormfront is anti-semitic and anti-zionist..........I have seen both views on this board more than once. I am neither.

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 06:59 PM
If you are going to ignore facts then im wasteing my breath.

Fact is the Iraqis dont yank the yanks in their country.
Do you mean the Iraqis dont want the yanks in their country? If you do, of course I acknowledge that fact. Neither did the Germans or Japanese after WWll. That changes nothing now does it. The fact of all of this is that we are there and we will remain there untill such time the Iraqi people can elect leaders that truly represent them. Those are facts....there will always be those who say it was wrong to invade Iraq, that does not change the reality of the situation.

[Sabocat]

I would suggest that Ramsey Clark did not turn "rabidly anti-american", rather he turned anti imperialist. I think if Ramsey were to reply to that statement, he would say he is practicing being a good american, exercising his freedom of speech. Only the right wing refers to him and his ilk, (Chomsky, Blum, Zinn, Ivens, etc) as anti-american.

Please provide some reading material (links) describing the attack of Kuwait by the Iraqi&#39;s because of recalled debt.

I like most of the world have read and understand the attack to be centered around a valuable oil field on the Iraq/Kuwait border and the control of an important seaport depot.

The case has been made that Kuwait was slant drilling into the Iraqi oilfields, costing (actually stealing) the Iraqi&#39;s millions of dollars.

I&#39;ve noticed that you never really provide any proof or links to any of your statements. You (like most of the right wing) just claim everything is from the leftist media and therefore out of hand discredit it.


The fact of all of this is that we are there and we will remain there untill such time the Iraqi people can elect leaders that truly represent them.

Just curious....how do you think that would be handled if the Iraqi people elected Saddam Hussein? Did you mean when the Iraqi&#39;s elected leaders that represent them, or when the Iraqi&#39;s finally elect leaders that represent U&#036; interests?

[Bodyguard]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 09:44 PM
I would suggest that Ramsey Clark did not turn "rabidly anti-american", rather he turned anti imperialist. I think if Ramsey were to reply to that statement, he would say he is practicing being a good american, exercising his freedom of speech. Only the right wing refers to him and his ilk, (Chomsky, Blum, Zinn, Ivens, etc) as anti-american.

Please provide some reading material (links) describing the attack of Kuwait by the Iraqi&#39;s because of recalled debt.

I like most of the world have read and understand the attack to be centered around a valuable oil field on the Iraq/Kuwait border and the control of an important seaport depot.

The case has been made that Kuwait was slant drilling into the Iraqi oilfields, costing (actually stealing) the Iraqi&#39;s millions of dollars.

I&#39;ve noticed that you never really provide any proof or links to any of your statements. You (like most of the right wing) just claim everything is from the leftist media and therefore out of hand discredit it.


The fact of all of this is that we are there and we will remain there untill such time the Iraqi people can elect leaders that truly represent them.

Just curious....how do you think that would be handled if the Iraqi people elected Saddam Hussein? Did you mean when the Iraqi&#39;s elected leaders that represent them, or when the Iraqi&#39;s finally elect leaders that represent U&#036; interests?
I will try and provide some links by this evening as to Iraqs debts to the Kuwaitis......it is a fair request&#33; The question is meaningless since Saddam will not return to stand for election.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I think he means what will the US do if the Iraqs don&#39;t vote on the candidate supported by the US.

Nicaragua and others can testity what the US will do then.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 06:59 PM
If you are going to ignore facts then im wasteing my breath.

Fact is the Iraqis dont yank the yanks in their country.
Well I said to you before, you won&#39;t change the mind of a nationalist. He sadly prefers to ignore the facts and thinks his country men are seen as heroes. Instead of that their heads are in the local pub used as darting practice :P

[ComradeRobertRiley]

LOL DF

Bodyguard, until they can truley represent themselves??

did you know that the US wouldnt let the oldest Iraqi party in?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

IRAQI DEATH TOLL DURING INVASION AND OCCUPATION AT 13,000
At least 40,000 injured

WASHINGTON.— The war in Iraq – that President George W. Bush claims ended last May 1 – has resulted in the death of approximately 13,000 Iraqis, including 4,000 civilians. A further 40,000 people have been injured according to a study published today.

The report – written by the Project on Defense Alternatives – includes information from all available sources in Iraq and the United States, officials and mediators, military and medical staff, reported ANSA.

Click for full report (http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2003/octubre03/jue30/44iraq-i.html)



Bodyguard see the civilian deaths???
GWB still a saint?

[Desert Fox]

Well what can you say, the end result is horrible like any other war. But what makes it even worse is the one that started the war, won it. In history usually the starters of war lost it and that was good since hopefully they would learn from their mistakes. But america will only gain more confidence and will att any country they see fit in order to save the world of terrorism <_<

[Intifada]

"But america will only gain more confidence and will att any country they see fit in order to save the world of terrorism"

so-called terrorism. they are the biggest terrorist threat in the world today.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I agree ihatebush, like what nelson mandela said:

"the only threat to world peace is george bush"

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 07:42 PM
"But america will only gain more confidence and will att any country they see fit in order to save the world of terrorism"

so-called terrorism. they are the biggest terrorist threat in the world today.
I meant that sentence ironic :P

[Kapitan Andrey]

[evil laught]Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Die, yankee, die&#33;

3 or more dead yankee on Saturday&#33;
16 dead yankee for Sunday&#33;
3 and will be more dead yankee today&#33;
100 and 100 dead yankee tomorrow&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;[/evil laught]

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 3 2003, 10:59 AM
[evil laught]Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Die, yankee, die&#33;

3 or more dead yankee on Saturday&#33;
16 dead yankee for Sunday&#33;
3 and will be more dead yankee today&#33;
100 and 100 dead yankee tomorrow&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;[/evil laught]
I think that you are being a little optomistic, 100 tommorow, probably, around 1 or 2 to be more accurate...

But excuse me while I celebrate the glory of the Chechen resistance, and hope that some more Ruski mercs get their brains splattered against the wall when the might of chechen bullets smash through their skulls.

[Kapitan Andrey]

I think that you are being a little optomistic, 100 tommorow, probably, around 1 or 2 to be more accurate...
No-no...by saying "tomorrow" I ment "in nearest future".

About the rest of your post...This is your blue dream, boy&#33; :lol:

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 3 2003, 11:10 AM

I think that you are being a little optomistic, 100 tommorow, probably, around 1 or 2 to be more accurate...
No-no...by saying "tomorrow" I ment "in nearest future".

About the rest of your post...This is your blue dream, boy&#33; :lol:
No-no...by saying "tomorrow" I ment "in nearest future".

Yes, I know that I was being sarcastic

About the rest of your post...This is your blue dream, boy&#33;

I was pointing out your hypocracy.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 3 2003, 10:10 AM

I think that you are being a little optomistic, 100 tommorow, probably, around 1 or 2 to be more accurate...
No-no...by saying "tomorrow" I ment "in nearest future".


Well that is a not that high amount, there will be probally far more deads ...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

We can only hope DF, we can only hope

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 01:39 PM
We can only hope DF, we can only hope
But I think it is sad we have to hope for more casualties in order to make the general American sees his goverment is selling him/her crap <_<

[flayer2]

I hate to say this but the US is never getting out of Iraq - the prize is too great - The new Iraq government MUST serve US interests - What form of government , be it dictatorship , Islamic rule , democracy ... I doubt matters much.

The Vietnam situation is different because of the military draft which directly affected each citizen personally - Troop losses only affects those familes and friends connected with them - For every one else , though one may feel bad , life goes on as normal - I wouldn&#39;t be too confident about US popular opinion .

As far as troop morale. Yep serious losses could definataly cause unrest within the units but they didn&#39;t enlist just to sit around the barracks all day - They want action -The video game that shoots back - What could be more exciting than that . Sad but true..

[ComradeRobertRiley]

yeah it is sad DF

and i agree flayer2

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 10:11 PM
I hate to say this but the US is never getting out of Iraq - the prize is too great - The new Iraq government MUST serve US interests - What form of government , be it dictatorship , Islamic rule , democracy ... I doubt matters much.

The Vietnam situation is different because of the military draft which directly affected each citizen personally - Troop losses only affects those familes and friends connected with them - For every one else , though one may feel bad , life goes on as normal - I wouldn&#39;t be too confident about US popular opinion .

As far as troop morale. Yep serious losses could definataly cause unrest within the units but they didn&#39;t enlist just to sit around the barracks all day - They want action -The video game that shoots back - What could be more exciting than that . Sad but true..
Intresting theory and I agree with it. But the fact that the Iraqee people give up a fight makes sure USA can&#39;t start a new war against another country on their hitlist. That is probally one of the only things that is good about this occupation ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

2 Helicopters&#33;? Ma-a-an&#33; It smells like an "IGLA" &#33;&#33;&#33; Our anti-aircraft rocket launcher&#33;&#33;&#33; :D

1st casualty in damn-polish legion&#33;

Major Kopchik - KIA&#33; :D

[Desert Fox]

Well the Iraqees have the right tools for the job, but the americans showed they had fangs too. They struck pretty hard since bush has to pump up the american image of the war in Iraq. But anyway, america is losing it&#39;s occupation and will have to withdraw under public pressure ;)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

yeah 2 black hawks et 1 chinook downed, :D


keep em coming Iraq

[flayer2]

Yes.. I would expect any nation to resist an occupation no matter how bleak the cause.

I see the US have already begun collective punishment aginst the Iraqi population in retalliation for those shootdowns.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102449,00.html

http://www.pressaction.com/pablog/archives/001137.html

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 05:59 AM
Yes.. I would expect any nation to resist an occupation no matter how bleak the cause.

I see the US have already begun collective punishment aginst the Iraqi population in retalliation for those shootdowns.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102449,00.html

http://www.pressaction.com/pablog/archives/001137.html
Yeah like I said before. America believes more in collective punishment than punishing the ones that should take the blaim. Not that they would mind, since they would die as heroes. But America won&#39;t want that and rather kills even innocents to prevent there will come martyrs among the people <_<

[Kapitan Andrey]

How about this&#33;? :D

He-he-he&#33; (http://www.iraqwar.ru/show_image.php?id=888)

Hella good&#33; :D

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Is that a yankkkee tank I see lol

[Kapitan Andrey]

Yes&#33; lol :D

[Desert Fox]

Talk about going out with a bang :D

[ComradeRobertRiley]

lol

[Desert Fox]

I missed the news today, anything intresting happend in Iraq ?

[flayer2]

I missed the news today, anything intresting happend in Iraq ?

The attack on the Italian compound is the major news. 31 dead, many wounded when I last checked. Already, enormous pressure is being mounted on the Berlusconi government . Though he has pledged more troops I wonder if this is a new phase in the "iraqi resistance" ?

As SunTze said : "Attack their alliances".

If this is indeed an attempt to split the coalition then which coalition nation is next on the list?

Here&#39;s a breakdown of the coalition members:

http://www.smh.com.au/media/2003/11/13/106...674323310.html/ (http://www.smh.com.au/media/2003/11/13/1068674323310.html/)

[Kapitan Andrey]

19 Italian Carabineers died yesterday...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Japan is delaying troops to Iraq because of the amount of deaths lately

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 20 2003, 09:24 AM
Yea&#33; Good image&#33; :)

Almost everyone hate yankee&#33; :angry:
I hate Russians my self. I love watching footage of Chechens setting off road mines under Russian APC’s and shooting down Russian choppers. It&#39;s a blast&#33;

[ComradeRobertRiley]

What ever floats ya boat loknar, I reckon more people hate yankee than russians

[flayer2]

Another blackhawk down.. no word on casulties...

[Intifada]

another two apparently

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Two US helicopters have crashed in Iraq, killing 12 coalition soldiers and injuring nine, the US military says.
Both UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters - assigned to the 101st Airborne Division - crashed in the northern city of Mosul at about 1830 local time (1430GMT).

A rapid reaction force secured the area but US officials said the cause of the crash was currently "unknown".

Unconfirmed reports suggest one of the helicopters was hit by a rocket- propelled grenade.

Iraqi resistance (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3273895.stm)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Loknar+Nov 14 2003, 10:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Nov 14 2003, 10:59 PM)
Kapitan [email protected] 20 2003, 09:24 AM
Yea&#33; Good image&#33; :)

Almost everyone hate yankee&#33; :angry:
I hate Russians my self. I love watching footage of Chechens setting off road mines under Russian APC’s and shooting down Russian choppers. It&#39;s a blast&#33; [/b]
As long as the dead are imperalists. :)

[flayer2]

You consider the chechen war to be imperialist?
Brutal and bloody, but hardly imperialist...

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 05:23 PM
What ever floats ya boat loknar, I reckon more people hate yankee than russians
I do have to say I admire the Russians for their effectiviness. Nothing is better than some good Russian discipline. Can hardly say that about the yankies since they aren&#39;t really good in anything really :P Except lying like any good capitalist :D

[Intifada]

I do have to say I admire the Russians for their effectiviness.

the russians are terrorists.

[flayer2]

do have to say I admire the Russians for their effectiviness. Nothing is better than some good Russian discipline

Not so with the current russian army, the soviet army yes - Whats driving the individual soldier to fight? Revenge for the apartment bombing and other acts ? This is not a good motivation for conquering territory and winning over the population in Chechnya.

The yank soldiers yes... Just kill anything that moves and don&#39;t forget to tie up the women and children. Make sure theres no chance of harm to the soldiers . Again , very bad for winning over the population.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 08:14 AM

do have to say I admire the Russians for their effectiviness. Nothing is better than some good Russian discipline

Not so with the current russian army, the soviet army yes - Whats driving the individual soldier to fight? Revenge for the apartment bombing and other acts ? This is not a good motivation for conquering territory and winning over the population in Chechnya.

The yank soldiers yes... Just kill anything that moves and don&#39;t forget to tie up the women and children. Make sure theres no chance of harm to the soldiers . Again , very bad for winning over the population.
Yes you get my drift. But the Russian soldiers today are just nothing compared to their soviet precedessors. It is really shame they resorted into this now. But what can we do about it ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

ihatebush...the russians are terrorists.
Fuck you, bastard&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry: :angry: :angry:

Desert Fox...strange to hear that from you... :huh: Go on&#33; ;)

flayer2...you&#39;re wrong... <_<

[flayer2]

flayer2...you&#39;re wrong

are you russian kapitan ?

I&#39;m not too well read on the chechnya situation. Which part do you disagree?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 12:34 PM

are you russian kapitan ?


I doubt anyone here is ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox...your doubts are stupid.

flayer2...yes, I&#39;m RUSSIAN...

2nd Chechen War was started by chechen-terrorists and mercenaries&#33;
I agree, that 1st war was crime&#33; Stupid and idiotic&#33; I HATE eltsin with all my patience&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry: :angry: :angry:

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Both this wars are one big crime&#33;...(KA is insulting me at the moment...)
Our soliders are dieing for nothing&#33; :angry:

...damn it...where is the end? :(

[flayer2]

Yeah.. well my kneejerk reaction is to support the little guys but after some investigation I find some shady characters in washington lobbying for the chechens.. Do names like Richard pearle, Elliot Abrams, jeane kirkpatrick ring a bell?

Perhaps this requires some further research..

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 18 2003, 11:39 AM
Desert Fox...your doubts are stupid.


Well most of the Russians won&#39;t waste their time on this boards, they have other things to worry about. ;)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox...they have other things to worry about.

What for example&#33;?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 19 2003, 10:22 AM
Desert Fox...they have other things to worry about.

What for example&#33;?
Food, water, ect..
Those chechens are great., kill the ruskies, i hate almost every ruskie.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Loknar...ha-ha-ha&#33; :lol:
Stupid little boy... :lol:

[Intifada]

ihatebush...the russians are terrorists.
Fuck you, bastard&#33;&#33;&#33;


i just fucking hate what theyre doin in chechnya.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Close your eyes&#33; ;)

[flayer2]

2nd Chechen War was started by chechen-terrorists and mercenaries&#33;


Cmon Andrey... you know theres more to it than that. Why is Russia so determined to hold onto Chechnya?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 19 2003, 11:22 AM
Desert Fox...they have other things to worry about.

What for example&#33;?
Survival <_<

[Kapitan Andrey]

Desert Fox... <_< I worry about that&#33;...

flayer2....sorry...didn&#39;t understood... :huh:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Getting back on track (Iraq)

BBC News - Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3232032.stm)


Iraq attack &#39;disrupts oil output&#39;


An important gas pipeline has been blown up in northern Iraq.
The resulting fire was so huge the glow could be seen in the night sky in the town of Kirkuk, 30 kilometres (20 miles) away, say reports.

The attack is expected to cause disruption to production at Iraq&#39;s largest oil refinery, officials say.

Amid continuing violence, coalition officials have suspended civilian flights into Baghdad airport after a missile attack on a plane on Saturday.

The Jordanian carrier Royal Wings and DHL courier company have both been ordered to suspend flights.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Another black hawk been destroyed and 5 yankee been killed by the Resistance&#33;

2 yankee from "elite" 101 airborn division been killed by (&#33;) knifes&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Die, yankee, die&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 25 2003, 12:23 PM
Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Another black hawk been destroyed and 5 yankee been killed by the Resistance&#33;

2 yankee from "elite" 101 airborn division been killed by (&#33;) knifes&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

Bua-ha-ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

Die, yankee, die&#33;&#33;&#33;
http://poetry.rotten.com/dontgawk/

Here is some random photo I picked out for kaptain andery. Look at the gore in the photo andrey, you must like this sort of stuff.


Sometimes you guys disgust me, people get killed and you actually find it enjoyable.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 24 2003, 10:51 AM
Desert Fox... <_< I worry about that&#33;...


But for most of your countrymen it is usually their primary and only concern ;)

[RAGING BULL]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 01:39 PM
Sometimes you guys disgust me, people get killed and you actually find it enjoyable.
Andrey is the only one laughing.

Don&#39;t compare him to the rest of us.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by RAGING BULL+Nov 25 2003, 07:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RAGING BULL @ Nov 25 2003, 07:27 PM)
[email protected] 25 2003, 01:39 PM
Sometimes you guys disgust me, people get killed and you actually find it enjoyable.
Andrey is the only one laughing.

Don&#39;t compare him to the rest of us. [/b]
You&#39;re right, I&#39;m sorry.

[flayer2]

The Iraq resistance is going after anything that legitimizes the occupation.. Both military and civilian...

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 05:14 PM
The Iraq resistance is going after anything that legitimizes the occupation.. Both military and civilian...
And why should they make a difference, both parties are guilty as hell ;)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Loknar...fuck, man&#33; This is suicides&#33; They was just a civilians, not yankee soliders...this is horrible and STUPID form your side&#33; :angry: :(

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 27 2003, 01:31 PM
Loknar...fuck, man&#33; This is suicides&#33; They was just a civilians, not yankee soliders...this is horrible and STUPID form your side&#33; :angry: :(
Ok fine, lets being soldiers into it.


http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/


Watch these videos. They are Chechen Mujahideen beating back the imperialist Russian army.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 27 2003, 02:31 PM
this is horrible and STUPID form your side&#33; :angry: :(
WTF do you mean with that ???

[Kapitan Andrey]

Loknar...fuck you with your fuckin&#39; site&#33; :angry:

Desert Fox...it means, that showing that photos of suicides is horrible and stupid&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Your ass is mine, Kapitan

[Kapitan Andrey]

Fuck you, moron&#33; :angry:

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Tell me please -

HOW could more than 60 iraqi resistance fighters, armed by minelaunchers, granadelaunchers, machineguns...ONLY wound ONLY 5 yankee&#33;?...loose 48 fighters KIA and 8 POW&#39;s&#33;?...

Sounds like a BULLSHIT&#33;&#33;&#33;...how do you think&#33;? :huh:

[kylie]

Hiya General A.A.Vlasov, you only just missed your fellow temperate-socialist Kapitan Andrey. By about ten minutes, in fact.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 12:15 PM
Your ass is mine, Kapitan
Dammit man, I hope you share ;) :P

[BRIN]

Does any one think that the Yanks are bullshiting about their casualties?,because i&#39;ve got a feeling they might be to keep up moral with thier troops.They lied about thier casualties in other wars so whats stoping them from doing the same in Iraq.

How can you guys be sad that Yankee soliders are dying,fuck its not like any of them deserve to live anyway.It puts a smile on my dile to know the Iraqi Saddam loyalists are doing a good job :)

[Bolshevika]

When you say "Saddam loyalists" do you mean the majority of the Iraqi people.

Fucking Bush, I wish he would go in bright daylight to speak to the newly liberated, pro-american Iraqi people. That piece of shit Bush would probably get his limo ambushed by 10 Iraqis in a donkeycart armed with slingshots.

Andrey, you have interesting and extreme views, do you support the Soviet Union/Lenin/Stalin?

[Pete]

Does any one think that the Yanks are bullshiting about their casualties?,because i&#39;ve got a feeling they might be to keep up moral with thier troops.They lied about thier casualties in other wars so whats stoping them from doing the same in Iraq.

You mean like this? (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031201.wiraq1201/BNStory/International/) Where the US military overestimates the amount of people they kill?

[Kapitan Andrey]

kylie...what is your problem? :huh:

Desert Fox...shut the fuck up, moron&#33; :angry:

BRIN...yea&#33; 100% agree&#33; :D

Bolshevika...That piece of shit Bush would probably get his limo ambushed by 10 Iraqis in a donkeycart armed with slingshots.
Oh, ya-a-a&#33; Cool&#33;&#33;&#33; :D

I hate stalin/stalinists&#33;
I&#39;m not support lenin and his view&#39;s&#33;
Soviet Union, hmmm...as a ex-citizen of it, I love it, but...I hate all it&#39;s leaders from lenin to brejnev&#33;

"extreme views"...I don&#39;t know...but what do YOU mean by saying it?

[RAGING BULL]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 2 2003, 10:16 AM
shut the fuck up, moron&#33;

Will you never get tired of saying this Andrey?

[Urban Rubble]

Bolsehvika

The fact that you are enjoying Kapitan Andrey&#39;s bullshit just reinforces the fact you&#39;re an idiot.

The majority of the Iraqi people do not support Saddam Hussein, but they equally do not want the U.S in their country. And I think if we see Saddam killed alot more of the Iraqi people will (unfortuantely) join the U.S&#39;s side of things. You see, they remember what happened last time when the yanks pulled out without finishing the job, this time I think they are holding their support until they know that Saddam is done for.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 2 2003, 11:16 AM
Desert Fox...shut the fuck up, moron&#33; :angry:

I hate stalin/stalinists&#33;
I&#39;m not support lenin and his view&#39;s&#33;
Soviet Union, hmmm...as a ex-citizen of it, I love it, but...I hate all it&#39;s leaders from lenin to brejnev&#33;


You can call me what you want, I don&#39;t care what you say about ME. You don&#39;t know me and I don&#39;t know you, so don&#39;t waste your breath.

You are free to hate who you want, but saying such things on a leftish board only makes it that people won&#39;t care about your judgement and sometimes you should better think about what you say ...

[Kapitan Andrey]

RAGING BULL...never&#33; ;)

Desert Fox...I&#39;m DESPERADO&#33;&#33;&#33; ;)

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Yes&#33; I know him&#33;

He is damn good DESPERADO&#33; :)

Do you know statistics&#33;?

442 yankee,
52 englishmen,
19 italian soliders are already dead.

...this is not the end&#33;

[ComradeRobertRiley]

BBC News - U&#036; helicopter downed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3362953.stm)

well today another helicopter is downed.


US Army helicopter has been shot down near the Iraqi town of Falluja, killing one soldier and injuring another, the US military says.
US General Mark Kimmitt said the coalition was "fairly convinced" the OH-58 Delta Kiowa Warrior helicopter was brought down "by enemy fire".

The incident happened at about 12.20pm (0920 GMT) on Friday west of Baghdad, a US Central Command statement said.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Have you heard about death of 4 bulgarian soliders in Iraq&#33;?

R-r-r-r&#33; Damn,fucking Bulgarian govt.&#33;&#33;&#33; Puppets of yankee&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry: