Some Racist.

[Ballyfornia]

Some racist on Youtube posted this.

"Racial equality exists in the minds of some people as in reality no such a thing EVER existed. People naturally gravitate towards their own cultures.Look at NY , London , Paris or Berlin and you will see like for like people living seperated in their OWN communities. Its a human instinct I am afraid and it cannot be talked out of people by the far left."

Although i do not believe in it. I have no idea of how to debunk/refute it.
I have a feeling it has to wealth income but i dunno. can anyone here debunk it

[RedAnarchist]

They seem to equate culture with race, as if the two were the same thing. Secondly, there was no real concept of races until Europeans began to explore and build their empires elsewhere.

[Ballyfornia]

So you are saying that people will always gravitate towards there culture? But wouldn't people from the right go on about how this is a failure multiculturalism etc etc.

[¿Que?]

Not necessarily, because culture is not fixed and static. Culture changes constantly, and you will see for example, with immigrant communities and sometimes with conquered people, that there is an interchange of cultural traits with the dominant culture.

The reason people worry about multiculturalism because of just that. They treat culture as something that can't or shouldn't change, when reality tells us something totally different.

[Tim Cornelis]

Uhm... how to refute this...? Interracial marriage? Couldn't be easier than that.

[RedAnarchist]

So you are saying that people will always gravitate towards there culture? But wouldn't people from the right go on about how this is a failure multiculturalism etc etc.

No, not at all. People who think that people gravitate towards their culture have a very poor and simplistic understanding of humans. If people always gravitate towards their culture, how do new cultures form, how do old cultures collapse, why do cultures change or take in new aspects from other cultures? Why do things like religion, language and politics transcend culture?

[AnonymousOne]

Immigrants from other countries, or members of different cultures tend to band together in an attempt to feel secure, and feel at home. Immigrants in much of the world are actively despised and hated, by banding together it makes it easier to deal with the harsh realities of being a stranger in a strange land.

It's not because of anything along the lines of humans are unwilling to change, the problem has to do with the fact that the native population of the country is often xenophobic, and lacks a internationalist viewpoint. Most immigrants do try to assimilate into the culture, but are held back at arms-length by conservatives and nationalists. This explains, for example, why 2nd generation immigrants are much more successful than their parents.

[Gustav HK]

I don´t quite understand the logic in the argument of the racist.

How is "People gravitate toward their own cultures" --> "Racial/cultural equality is a myth"?

[InMom'sBasement]

There's no connection between peoples behavior, their talents and abilities, their psychological nature, and their physical structure.

Even a poor cripple with no legs can become a world beating athlete if he trains hard enough.

My mom told me that.

UP WITH THE REVOLUTION!

[RedAnarchist]

There's no connection between peoples behavior, their talents and abilities, their psychological nature, and their physical structure.

Even a poor cripple with no legs can become a world beating athlete if he trains hard enough.

My mom told me that.

UP WITH THE REVOLUTION!

Indeed.

[NewSocialist]

There's no connection between peoples behavior, their talents and abilities, their psychological nature, and their physical structure.

Even a poor cripple with no legs can become a world beating athlete if he trains hard enough.

My mom told me that.

UP WITH THE REVOLUTION!

:rolleyes: Judging by his screen name and the ridiculous content of his posts, this guy is obviously a troll.

[Ocean Seal]

There's no connection between peoples behavior, their talents and abilities, their psychological nature, and their physical structure.

Even a poor cripple with no legs can become a world beating athlete if he trains hard enough.

My mom told me that.

UP WITH THE REVOLUTION!
I suspect that you believe in the American dream. Spamming other forums is cool.

http://mariouana.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/no_spam.png

[RedAnarchist]

:rolleyes: Judging by his screen name and the ridiculous content of his posts, this guy is obviously a troll.

I've banned him.

[Frank Zapatista]

They seem to equate culture with race, as if the two were the same thing. Secondly, there was no real concept of races until Europeans began to explore and build their empires elsewhere.
Are you saying that you honestly believe both race and imperialism to be European inventions?

[Sam_b]

Indeed.

You shouldn't really be posting these sort of irrelevant and off-topic spam images in Learning.

[RedAnarchist]

Are you saying that you honestly believe both race and imperialism to be European inventions?

Race, no, but the European idea of race is dominant in the West. Imperialism, no, but European imperialism has been dominant in the world.

[RedAnarchist]

You shouldn't really be posting these sort of irrelevant and off-topic spam images in Learning.

OK, I'll give myself a verbal warning and remove the images.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Race was constructed out of the ideology of class society.

"If you know the history of the whole concept of whiteness—if you know the history of the whole concept of the white race, where it came from and for what reason—you know that it was a trick, and it’s worked brilliantly. You see, prior to the mid to late 1600s, in the colonies of what would become the United States, there was no such thing as the white race. Those of us of European descent did not refer to ourselves by that term really ever before then." - Tim Wise, The Pathology of Privilege

"Historically, 19th century Europeans classified peoples in their colonies into a hierarchy of categories which placed northern Europeans at the top of a pseudo-evolutionary scale. They saw the dark, primitive peoples of the colonies as suitable for enlightenment by the civilized nations of Europe which often translated into economic and social exploitation and sometimes genocidal policies." - "Race" as a Social Construct
(http://www.gossamer-wings.com/soc/Notes/race/tsld002.htm)
"The European colonists who founded the United States ... accepted the idea of racial hierarchy that was prevalent in Europe at the time. It was just too convenient: The socially constructed concept of race was a powerful tool that aided them in the conquest of the continent... Because they believed that races were genetically different (although they didn't describe it in those terms), many saw the exploitation of the Indians and Africans as no different from the use of farm animals. For such thinkers, the fact that the Bible had no explicit proscription against slavery justified the importation of millions of slaves from the western shores of Africa to meet the growing needs of agricultural production in the colonies." - The Problem, Simply Stated. The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.enotalone.com/article/5043.html), by Joseph L. Graves Jr., Ph.D.

The construct continues on today as an element of this society. It won't be eliminated by "anti-racist action," "diversity," "reverse racism," or any other activist method which actually works to strengthen the concept of racial division, to the detriment of the international working class.

It will only be overcome and eliminated when it's source is, through the activity of the working class. Seeds of this were seen in historic episodes like the Coal Creek War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Creek_War)in Tennessee. White miners there were being replaced with mostly black prison laborers. The miners repeatedly freed the prisoners and burnt down the stockades they were being held in. These monumental acts, which had more effect than ten thousand vigils could, were done not because someone had convinced them that racism was morally wrong, but rather because it was in their interests to do so.