What are the chances?

[RGacky3]

That this passes? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/jan-schakowsky-jobs-to-restore-american-dream-act_n_923899.html), its like the peoples budget, it makes absolute sense, yet it gets nowhere. I really hope this gets traction.

[Ocean Seal]

That this passes? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/jan-schakowsky-jobs-to-restore-american-dream-act_n_923899.html), its like the peoples budget, it makes absolute sense, yet it gets nowhere. I really hope this gets traction.
Chances of passing are really slim. Really, even the most toned down progress type things never make it anywhere in Washington. Direct action gets satisfaction.

[RGacky3]

I know I'm singing to the choir.

[Demogorgon]

It is a good idea, ergo it will go nowhere. There is a good point at the end of the article that the lack of jobs is a bigger problem than the budget deficit and this ties into a closely related point I think needs to be made. In years gone by, the principle feature of recession was seen to be unemployment and people felt that the recession was over when it went down again. Since the eighties that has gone out the window and is ignored and "jobless recoveries" are the norm. Meanwhile the same neoliberal politicians who implement the policies that lead to this claim that unemployment is caused by laziness and cut benefits accordingly. Yet we are supposed to believe that people are still getting lazier? The first response to recession should be to maintain employment. A bit late for that now, but this bill would at least undo some of the damage. Of course it has as much chance of passing as the American political system has of being modernised.

[Ilyich]

It shall not pass!

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[Judicator]

That this passes? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/jan-schakowsky-jobs-to-restore-american-dream-act_n_923899.html), its like the peoples budget, it makes absolute sense, yet it gets nowhere. I really hope this gets traction.

Do we really know if any of these things are good investments? For jobs that appear to cost roughly $50,000/person/year, we had better be getting a pretty good return.

Teachers? We spend buckets of money on education and yet have a crappy primary school system, why is spending more the answer?

Rural conservation? We're worried that we're falling behind technologically, and we want to blow $230 billion on stuff like rural conservation?

[RGacky3]

Do we really know if any of these things are good investments? For jobs that appear to cost roughly $50,000/person/year, we had better be getting a pretty good return.


We have historical precident that it works, not only does it increase demand, but if the government hires people for productive industries we could get a monitary return.


Teachers? We spend buckets of money on education and yet have a crappy primary school system, why is spending more the answer?


We spend less money than we used to, cuts to educatoin have made it worse, yeah we should spend it intelligently, and try different things, but education, especially in poor communities needs a LOT more funding.


Rural conservation? We're worried that we're falling behind technologically, and we want to blow $230 billion on stuff like rural conservation?

We're falling behind technologically because our best minds are taken up be Wall street, our education sucks and because we don't have enough public investment.

where did you get the $239 billion to rural conservation? But yeah, having public parks is important, as is having places for tourists and ecology.

[anarcho-communist4]

"40,000 new police officers"
That part really irks me.
:crying:

[RGacky3]

If they drastically, drastically changed the way the police work that would'nt bother me.

[anarcho-communist4]

If they drastically, drastically changed the way the police work that would'nt bother me.

That wouldn't happen =\.
Why not take that 40,000 extra jobs for the pigs, and put it somewhere useful.
Like more teachers??????

[RGacky3]

They're hiring 300,000 new teachers, and 100,000 new child care practicioners (like kindergardens or whatever), and 750,000 community workers.

don't get mad over the 40,000 cops.

[anarcho-communist4]

Why not 340,000 new teachers? Can't have enough teachers.
In Nevada where i live currently, class room size will increase from its all ready grandiose number of 25 students:1teacher, to 35-40students:1teacher.
So more teachers never, and i mean, never hurts.
AT this point in Nevada, they might as well teach in a gymnasium.

[RGacky3]

of coarse, but if your gonna ***** over 40,000 new cops, because it could add to the 300,000 teachers your just being silly.

Your right, more teachers never hurt, but overall this is a GREAT progressive plan, and probably the best out there.

[anarcho-communist4]

Oh i agree that is a great plan, going to help out a lot of people.
And i'm not *****ing, i'm critiquing.
40,000 cops is a lot, the cops in the U.S. are all ready under trained, over payed, trigger happy slobs. We DON'T need more of them.

[RGacky3]

What we need more than more cops are serious reforms in the police departments.

[anarcho-communist4]

What we need more than more cops are serious reforms in the police departments.

That will never happen. I've had 2 close friends of mine die at the hands of the metro police here over the course of 6 years. Nothing will ever be done about that, it will never be reformed in America.
As long as the state exists, police will continue to be over payed, and under trained thugs.

[Zav]

That will never happen. I've had 2 close friends of mine die at the hands of the metro police here over the course of 6 years. Nothing will ever be done about that, it will never be reformed in America.
As long as the state exists, police will continue to be over payed, and under trained thugs.
Exactly. The police are important. Without them, the State has no fangs.

[ColonelCossack]

It shall not pass!

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I lol'd and hit my head on my computer desk.