Something I noticed...

[Susurrus]

There are no Russians in the Captain America movie. They are culturally sensitive enough to include a Brit, a Frenchmen, an African American, and even a Japanese American, but no Russians. And this isn't just a coincidence, or something someone forgot. There is an old American propaganda poster in the movie that someone deliberately edited the flag of the Soviet Union out of.

Here is the original poster:

http://www.webcrawlerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/us-wwii-poster-united-we-are-strong.jpg

What the hell?? Even the Call of Duty franchise, one of the most right-wing oriented series, includes positive portrayals of the Red Army.

[praxis1966]

Moved to L&F.

[Rss]

What you are witnessing is modern historical revisionism. Can't say I'm surprised. Superhero films normally are some kind of neo-reaganite chestbeating fantasies.

[Red Commissar]

Since this relates to the movie plot


Some of the pundits were angry though that they decided to freeze Captain America at the end to bring him to the modern age as a part of their set up for the Avengers film. They wanted to have the Captain America of the Cold War era when he was fighting Communism, and aren't too pleased with that era being skipped over.

This also happened when they changed Tony Stark's origin to be closer to the present, as opposed to it being rooted in the Cold War. In the comics he's fiercely capitalistic and anti-Communist as a result, where in the movies they just showed the playboy aspect and his second thoughts about the military functions


But yeah, I was surprised that there was virtually no mention of the Soviets anywhere. Hell, I would've thought that leveling cities in Russia would have been a bigger priority for Hydra to turn the war, but they are responding to their audience who probably won't care much about that.

And BTW, I don't think CoD has a "positive" portrayal of the Red Army. They include them which was an achievement in itself back then when most dubya dubya too games focused on D-Day or Africa, but they fell to the same stereotypes of "lololol human wave". CoD I's Stalingrad level was pretty much an adaptation of the "Enemy at the Gates" movie, with all the junk like giving one guy a rifle and the other bullets, or executions of retreating soldiers.

CoD2 had the training level I remember where they used potatoes for grenades, and pissing off the Commissar would end up getting you executed. And right after the "training" your tossed right into battle.

World at War paid more attention to it I think, but it was more of "bloodthirsty revenge" if anything at the end.

[Susurrus]

And BTW, they fell to the same stereotypes of "lololol human wave". CoD I's Stalingrad level was pretty much an adaptation of the "Enemy at the Gates" movie, with all the junk like giving one guy a rifle and the other bullets, or executions of retreating soldiers.

CoD2 had the training level I remember where they used potatoes for grenades, and pissing off the Commissar would end up getting you executed. And right after the "training" your tossed right into battle.

World at War paid more attention to it I think, but it was more of "bloodthirsty revenge" if anything at the end.

Well, more or less those things are true. The Red Army was critically under supplied, to the point where some soldiers had to swarm the enemy trenches with only knives(leading the Germans to believe the Soviets had trained knife-fighting units), and the execution of retreaters was true as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 "In the Red Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance." Stalin.

Also the swarm thing is more or less true for some cases. "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshal Zhukov

As for the bloody revenge thing, that's true too, as this forum as discussed many, many times.

[Tablo]

Yeah, not a fan of the Soviets, but I've been really pissed off at how the West seems to be trying to erase their role in WWII from history despite the fact they played the largest role in the European theater, in my opinion.

[Rafiq]

This is undeniably orwellian. They are trying to rewrite history and give the Americans all the credit for defeating the Fascists.

I doubt most Americans even know that the USSR waged a long battle with the Nazis and lost 27 million people because of it.

Fucking superhero fuckwits

[BostonCharlie]

All this is another excellent reason - as if any more are needed - why rev leftists should avoid most bourgeois cultural commodities like the plague.

[fatpanda]

Isn't Russia the Main Antagonist in both CoD and Captain America ?

[Susurrus]

Isn't Russia the Main Antagonist in both CoD and Captain America ?

No, Captain America it's the Nazis ie HYDRA and in CoD Russia is only the antagonist in the ones not set in WWII

[Rss]

All this is another excellent reason - as if any more are needed - why rev leftists should avoid most bourgeois cultural commodities like the plague.

That kinda narrows it down to Reds and Red Orchestra: Ostfront 1941-45.

[Tommy4ever]

Yeah, not a fan of the Soviets, but I've been really pissed off at how the West seems to be trying to erase their role in WWII from history despite the fact they played the largest role in the European theater, in my opinion.

Not just the largest role, the overwhelmingly greatest role. One need only look at a comparison of Soviet losses (27 million people), to Allied losses (excluding countries like Yugoslavia, about 1.5-2 million) to get a decent picture of the situation ....

Add into that mix the fact that in Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, France and Italy the partisan movements were either led by or in some cases totally dominated by the Communists and the idea of the West being responsible for the defeat of the Nazis becomes even less steady.

Western historians have frequently strained as hard as they could to downplay the role of the Red Army and the Communist partisans (although they can be more easily ignored), but its much simpler to just rewrite history that to create a biased but fact based narrative.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Ah, conservatives and historical revision: they go together like fascism and violence.

I am pretty sure the West's "editing" of history has been going on for a while...Before I educated myself,I can only ever remember thinking how important America was during the war. So this isn't something new.

[Blackburn]

Guess what? Australians fought WW2, entered the war beofre the Americans.

But we aren't represented.

Fuckers!

[Comrade_Stalin]

Well, more or less those things are true. The Red Army was critically under supplied, to the point where some soldiers had to swarm the enemy trenches with only knives(leading the Germans to believe the Soviets had trained knife-fighting units), and the execution of retreaters was true as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 "In the Red Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance." Stalin.

Also the swarm thing is more or less true for some cases. "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Marshal Zhukov

As for the bloody revenge thing, that's true too, as this forum as discussed many, many times.

I can see the re-writing of history has one other supporter. Ok, that enitre "under supplied" thingor giving one man thew gun and other the rounds in fact comes form WWI were Russaian czar could not manufacture a enought rifle to give to ever soilder, so some just cared round. The re-write of history then place this "fact" from world war one over to world war two, just like how they re-write the red arny out of world war 2.



Since this relates to the movie plot


Some of the pundits were angry though that they decided to freeze Captain America at the end to bring him to the modern age as a part of their set up for the Avengers film. They wanted to have the Captain America of the Cold War era when he was fighting Communism, and aren't too pleased with that era being skipped over.

This also happened when they changed Tony Stark's origin to be closer to the present, as opposed to it being rooted in the Cold War. In the comics he's fiercely capitalistic and anti-Communist as a result, where in the movies they just showed the playboy aspect and his second thoughts about the military functions


But yeah, I was surprised that there was virtually no mention of the Soviets anywhere. Hell, I would've thought that leveling cities in Russia would have been a bigger priority for Hydra to turn the war, but they are responding to their audience who probably won't care much about that.

And BTW, I don't think CoD has a "positive" portrayal of the Red Army. They include them which was an achievement in itself back then when most dubya dubya too games focused on D-Day or Africa, but they fell to the same stereotypes of "lololol human wave". CoD I's Stalingrad level was pretty much an adaptation of the "Enemy at the Gates" movie, with all the junk like giving one guy a rifle and the other bullets, or executions of retreating soldiers.

CoD2 had the training level I remember where they used potatoes for grenades, and pissing off the Commissar would end up getting you executed. And right after the "training" your tossed right into battle.

World at War paid more attention to it I think, but it was more of "bloodthirsty revenge" if anything at the end.

I agree, but most of the people around here other then myself and a few other support that enemy of the gates version of events.