Is the death of American soldiers a good thing?

[Aspiring Humanist]

Asking this in the wake of a helicopter crash in Afghanistan that killed 30 imperialist troops and 8 collaborator Afghani soldiers

[Pretty Flaco]

American soldiers are almost unanimously working class. So is it good that normal folks are being tricked into fighting for imperialistic ambitions when they think they're fighting for democracy and freedom? No it isn't. The death of any combatants in wars for capitalistic wants isn't good.

[Rss]

Asking this in the wake of a helicopter crash in Afghanistan that killed 30 imperialist troops and 8 collaborator Afghani soldiers

Death of occupating imperialist soldier is step towards liberation and a steam-hammer blow at imperialism. It is undoubtedly a revolutionary incident. Bonus points for nailing death squad of SEAL troops. These guys are not disney-eyed mislead proletarians, but stonecold killers. Mercs and attack dogs of ruling class.

[Nox]

American soldiers are almost unanimously working class. So is it good that normal folks are being tricked into fighting for imperialistic ambitions when they think they're fighting for democracy and freedom? No it isn't. The death of any combatants in wars for capitalistic wants isn't good.

Very true, US soldiers are brainwashed into believing they are fighting for a good cause, I question how many of them would still fight if they knew the true consequences of their actions.

[Pretty Flaco]

Very true, US soldiers are brainwashed into believing they are fighting for a good cause, I question how many of them would still fight if they knew the true consequences of their actions.

I know people that are in the army because they think they're HELPING people internationally. Also, a lot of people join the armed forces because then you get free college and other benefits.

[PhoenixAsh]

On an abstract level the death of every invading soldier is always something positive from the perspective of the invaded.

On a human level the fact that there are sodiers there which were send there to fight for ruling class interests, in a ruling class war, to further ruling class wealth and authority at the expense of the lives of countless of people....is no laughing matter.

And their deaths do matter extremely little....they will be replaced.

The time the motivation of the US citizens could upset the war plans of the ruling class is long gone.

Yes, they should not have been there. Yes, they should be kicked out. Yes, they are advocates and enablers of imperialism, they kill torture and maim...but the induvidual soldier is juts as much a pawn in the hands of the ruling class hands.

They are our opponents though. They have chosen this line of work for themselves. As I understand it they were not drafted, forced or coerced (perhaps through economic circumstances??? ) and as such this comes with the territory.

Bottom line...I do not feel positive, nor negative about it. It just is.

[PhoenixAsh]

Also, a lot of people join the armed forces because then you get free college and other benefits.

well...a lot of people had slaves because of the benefits and increased profits. Earning those things over the backs and with the lives of others...well...thats...something.

College introductionary course"
"How did you end up here Abel? " Well m'am, my mom and dad worked reaklly hard and I took a summer job. We had it rough, saved every penny an eventually I could afford to go to college"
"And you John?" "Well, m'am...I won a prestigious scholarship because I wrote an excellent essay"
"And you, Chris?" "Well m'am...I wnet and shot brown people abroad..."

[Pretty Flaco]

well...a lot of people had slaves because of the benefits and increased profits. Earning those things over the backs and with the lives of others...well...thats...something.

College introductionary course"
"How did you end up here Abel? " Well m'am, my mom and dad worked reaklly hard and I took a summer job. We had it rough, saved every penny an eventually I could afford to go to college"
"And you John?" "Well, m'am...I won a prestigious scholarship because I wrote an excellent essay"
"And you, Chris?" "Well m'am...I wnet and shot brown people abroad..."

That's not how the wars are played to the average american though. We're told that the wars are fought for justice and freedom. We're told that we're going into foreign lands to bring them democracy because they are subjected to tyranny and need help. People don't often question this. They don't think "Oh, well perhaps the motive for the war is economic reasons."

Most americans don't go to college. So most people think "Well, if I put my life on the line I can get a free education. And I'm doing a service to my country and even people abroad who need our help." Well they don't realize their service is only a service to american business.

[miltonwasfried...man]

The death of a brainwashed soldier should not be celebrated but mourned, for they likely believed they were fighting for something rather than in truth dying for nothing.

[pastradamus]

Well, its a pretty sick opening question. Even the way it was phrased sounded more like the language of an Islamic fascist as opposed to a leftist.

The reason people join the army is the very same reason that a guy becomes a cleaner, farmer, teacher - its a form of employment. Especially when you consider the fact that most of these guys probably came from working class areas with not much in the way of jobs , this becomes abundantly more amplified when you consider the Afghan troops who probably have families to support and so have decided to join the armed forces in order to make ends meet.

[Susurrus]

Well, besides the obvious reason for no, that they are thinking they are doing a good thing, is it really a bad thing the Taliban and Hussein are gone? Not to mention the fact that they are at least trying to set up an independent government that's not an Islamic dictatorship. There are also a lot of humanitarian aid work.

This is not to justify the atrocities that have taken place throughout the war, nor the fact that the war was started for oil and Bush power trips. Just to say that the ground soldiers think they are doing the right thing, and usually do given the circumstances, and that I personally would invite, let's say, the French to invade should America descend into a Christian dictatorship.

[danyboy27]

where is the ''it depend of the situation'' option?

Personally i dont think its all black or all white. the sheer death of soldier is something that is expected by the military and by the governement, its part of the plan, killing them for sake of doing it will not achieve anything meaningful or practical.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Asking this in the wake of a helicopter crash in Afghanistan that killed 30 imperialist troops and 8 collaborator Afghani soldiers

I think it's a strange way to formulate the question. Are the death of US soldiers good? Well lots of US soldiers died in wars that still lead to the US dominating the world, so no it's not good in of itself if by "good" we mean hurts imperialism.

A real resistance to imperialism is "good" and that requires people defending themselves from (and, yes, killing) agents of the imperialists. These causalities on the imperialist side are usually oppressed people and workers from the imperialist center (such as most US GIs or the soldiers from Ireland that the British Empire used in Africa or other places) and so that's why the best way for GIs to help themselves and their comrades is to resist their officers. Unfortunately many casualties on either side is what it often takes for soldiers to really begin to question what the point of all the death is and that's a tragedy. Also a reason why building a strong left and revolutionary tradition is important, because then it will be easier to convince soldiers employed for imperialism to resist or for people in occupied or invaded lands to organize along progressive and liberation lines rather than sectarian lines (which makes the resistance ultimately weaker).

[apawllo]

Don't see why it would be. The obvious humanist aspect aside, this country only promotes them as martyrs to further its cause.

[Rafiq]

No, but to be fair, I recall Khad posted a chart showing most U.S. soldiers do not come from working class backgrounds.

[heyjoe]

how old is that chart? with the state of the economy and from the people i know of who have entered the army, the overwhelming majority are working class.
As the IWW says soldiers are fellow workers also. soldiers are not the only workers who have to work at jobs that are not good for the environment, the well being of citizens of other countries than their own or even their own country, industries such as petroleum, financial, weapons, pharmaceuticals and chemicals come to mind. should we celebrate the death of workers in those industries also?

[L.A.P.]

The death of an American soldier is just as sad and unfortunate as the death of an Iraqi and Afghan soldier. Of course the interest that the American soldier is fighting for is something to be opposed to and hope for defeat, but the death of a worker who joined the military to feed his family is not something to celebrate.

[danyboy27]

No, but to be fair, I recall Khad posted a chart showing most U.S. soldiers do not come from working class backgrounds.

from wich class are the one doing the killing? The army is a pretty big organisation, and these days a lot of folks are doing logistical/technical works.

[Jimmie Higgins]

No, but to be fair, I recall Khad posted a chart showing most U.S. soldiers do not come from working class backgrounds.

The only chart and figures like that that I know of are from the Heritage Foundation which is a right-wing think-tank and they were trying to counter the "poverty-draft" argument.

I couldn't find any information that wasn't either from an anti-war site or a right-wing site and each kind had the exact opposite information. Here's what an anti-war blog wrote:


“The majority of military recruits come from below-median income neighborhoods. “In 2004, 71 percent of black recruits, 65 percent of Latino recruits, and 58 percent of white recruits came from below-median income neighborhoods. “The percentage of recruits who were regular high school graduates dropped from 86 percent in 2004 to 73 percent in 2006. “[The recruiters] never mention that the college money is difficult to come by – only 16 percent of enlisted personnel who completed four years of military duty ever received money for schooling. They don’t say that the job skills they promise won’t transfer into the real world. Only 12 percent of male veterans and 6 percent of female veterans use skills learned in the military in their current jobs. And of course, they downplay the risk of being killed while on duty.”
I would be surprised but wouldn't doubt hard evidence that most US military personnel were not working class (though just numerically it would be hard to believe) but if you take out lifers and ROTC people and officers I sincerely doubt that the US military GIs are not mostly working class and probably from poorer backgrounds at that.

[L.A.P.]

The wars aren't going to end anytime soon either. I met this friend of a friend who's joining the Marines and he said they doubled the length you serve from 4 years to 8.

[Zav]

They may be soldiers, but they're still human, and their lives have value. How many of you actually wouldn't save Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, or even GWB if they were falling off a cliff?

[Bronco]

I suppose the question was asked after stupid comments like "pwned", centre-justified in big bold font in the thread about the US Helicopter being shot down

[tbasherizer]

Anyone who thinks that the death of US soldiers is an inherently good thing is guilty of dogmatic anti-americanism. If you can't sympathize on a base level with soldiers- who are human beings different from us only in the material conditions that shaped them- then you lack the humanism and compassion of a true anti-imperialist, and are guilty of childish contrarianism for it's own sake. The original question did, as has earlier been stated, sound like it was better-suited for a mujahideen forum than this one.

[Rss]

Anyone who thinks that the death of US soldiers is an inherently good thing is guilty of dogmatic anti-americanism. If you can't sympathize on a base level with soldiers- who are human beings different from us only in the material conditions that shaped them- then you lack the humanism and compassion of a true anti-imperialist, and are guilty of childish contrarianism for it's own sake. The original question did, as has earlier been stated, sound like it was better-suited for a mujahideen forum than this one.

Nobody said that death of american occupiers is inherently good. It simply is a revolutionary step in national liberation. But personally, I'm kinda more concerned of afghani workers in the harms way than volunteer soldiers in "peacekeeping" mission.

[danyboy27]

Nobody said that death of american occupiers is inherently good. It simply is a revolutionary step in national liberation. But personally, I'm kinda more concerned of afghani workers in the harms way than volunteer soldiers in "peacekeeping" mission.

A lot of U.S soldier join for the benefits or beccause they desesperately need the money.

Economic conscription do exist.

[jake williams]

It doesn't really make sense to ask whether or not American soldiers dying is a good thing. It's kind of like asking if police killing school shooters is a good thing. It's a good thing in that probably fewer kids will be killed by the school shooter, but it's a horrible tragedy in that a child with obvious mental illness has died.

It's absolutely legitimate for the victims of US imperialism to defend themselves, which yes, means killing US soldiers, but it's not a good thing. The world isn't abstractly better because US soldiers are dead rather than alive. The world would be better if we didn't have wars. But we do have wars, and people need to defend themselves.


The may be soldiers, but they're still human, and their lives have value. How many of you actually wouldn't save Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, or even GWB if they were falling off a cliff?
Me, fuck those guys. Warren Buffet maybe though, he's such a cutie.

[Fopeos]

It's sad that these people are killed in far away places but they are volunteers. I'm sure that every one of them knows the danger when they go to enlist. Some are just getting money for school but some are straight-up Rambos who want someone to pay for 9-11. Either way, I don't mourn them. I feel sorry for their families. I definitely don't want to enshrine them for dying for freedom or some such nonsense. I feel sorry for all the victims of the US" war of terror" regardless of nationality.

[Aspiring Humanist]

Sorry for the poor wording, didnt know how else to phrase it

[danyboy27]

Sorry for the poor wording, didnt know how else to phrase it

a third option would be nice too.

[Rss]

A lot of U.S soldier join for the benefits or beccause they desesperately need the money.

Economic conscription do exist.

I find it hard to believe that they are majority. Pity if they are.


a third option would be nice too.

Yeah, get out and don't get killed.

[Susurrus]

It's really not a step towards national liberation if the other option is a religious fundamentalist dictatorship. Native oppressors are as bad as imperial oppressors.

[gendoikari]

Very true, US soldiers are brainwashed into believing they are fighting for a good cause, I question how many of them would still fight if they knew the true consequences of their actions.

What these guys said.

more to the point I'd wonder what would be of these wars if we reinstituted the draft, and placed priority on the top 1% and their children, they are supposed to to be the brightest of the bunch since they got ahead right?

[Leftsolidarity]

Almost everyone I've met (and some I'm rather good friends with) that have joined the military did so because they were poor working class kids who want money to go to college. Most of the people in the armed forces are of similar background and would hate to see them die. I want the puppet masters of imperialism to die, not the poor who are tricked and forced into their wars to die.

[DarkPast]

I don't think the death of American soldiers is inherently good, but I don't feel sorry for them either. They knew the risks and no, becoming a soldier was not the only way they could make a living.

[Rss]

It's really not a step towards national liberation if the other option is a religious fundamentalist dictatorship. Native oppressors are as bad as imperial oppressors.

At least they don't have godly amounts of firepower and their armies are generally conscripted and therefore easier to convince.

[danyboy27]

I find it hard to believe that they are majority. Pity if they are.

The job you get in the army is deeply linked with your social status and your education, the less educated you are the more shitty your job is gonna be. This is not universally true, but if you ride a humvee or other shitty dangerous job paid 19k a year, chances are you come from a impovrished family, so those you are more likely to be killed are probably the poorer of the bunch.




Yeah, get out and don't get killed.
More like, it depend of the situation.

[danyboy27]

At least they don't have godly amounts of firepower and their armies are generally conscripted and therefore easier to convince.

i dont think the iranian would agree with you on this.

[Rss]

i dont think the iranian would agree with you on this.

I have to say that I can't say much about that because I do not know much about status of their politics or military.

Egyptian army had units who refused to engage protestors. It usually takes longer to kick out foreign invader than domestic regime when push comes to shove.

[RedHal]

Anyone who thinks that the death of US soldiers is an inherently good thing is guilty of dogmatic anti-americanism. If you can't sympathize on a base level with soldiers- who are human beings different from us only in the material conditions that shaped them- then you lack the humanism and compassion of a true anti-imperialist, and are guilty of childish contrarianism for it's own sake. The original question did, as has earlier been stated, sound like it was better-suited for a mujahideen forum than this one.


nope can't sympathize with anyone who voluntarily joins an imperialists army to destroy a 3rd world country. Economics is not an excuse, I grew up poor, I'm still poor, I had to drop out of university because I couldn't pay tuition.
These idiots who join the military on economic reasons would still lead a better, more confortable life working a shitty job, then the people who's country they've destroyed.
I guess to some 1st world socialists, living above the poverty line in the 1st world is worth more than the life of poor brown person in the 3rd world.

[RedHal]

The may be soldiers, but they're still human, and their lives have value. How many of you actually wouldn't save Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, or even GWB if they were falling off a cliff?

Give me a fuck'n break, grow up and stop watching disney movies. Do you think an Iraqi kid who's entire family was blown up would save GWB?

[Leftsolidarity]

nope can't sympathize with anyone who voluntarily joins an imperialists army to destroy a 3rd world country. Economics is not an excuse, I grew up poor, I'm still poor, I had to drop out of university because I couldn't pay tuition.
These idiots who join the military on economic reasons would still lead a better, more confortable life working a shitty job, then the people who's country they've destroyed.
I guess to some 1st world socialists, living above the poverty line in the 1st world is worth more than the life of poor brown person in the 3rd world.

No, but you're anger and attacks are pointed at the wrong people. The countless working class grunts tricked/forced in are not the problem. The problem is the capitalist class. No point in fighting our own kind just because they are trying to live.

[CHE with an AK]

How many of you actually wouldn't save ... GWB if they were falling off a cliff?
Are you serious? ... I would kick him in the head to knock him off quicker.

[CHE with an AK]

No point in fighting our own kind just because they are trying to live.
The Afghans have no choice than to fight the American troops (working class grunts or not). No self-respecting revolutionary leftist should ever shed a tear when a soldier acting at the behest of American imperialism falls. That is not say that we should throw parties or celebrate either, but an Afghan goat herder shooting an American GI is not the same as a GI shooting an Afghan goat herder. The Afghan is in his own country on his own land, the GI is an occupier who has invaded his nation and is now trying to steal its resources and prop up a puppet government to rule over him.

[Susurrus]

The Afghans have no choice than to fight the American troops (working class grunts or not). No self-respecting revolutionary leftist should ever shed a tear when a soldier acting at the behest of American imperialism falls. That is not say that we should throw parties or celebrate either, but an Afghan goat herder shooting an American GI is not the same as a GI shooting an Afghan goat herder. The Afghan is in his own country on his own land, the GI is an occupier who has invaded his nation and is now trying to steal its resources and prop up a puppet government to rule over him.

There is a difference between an Afghan goat-header fighting oppression and trying to free himself and his nation from exploitation and a religious extremist killing both Americans and Afghanis to re-create a regime of repression. If it's an American against the former, then we should cheer the goat herder. If it's an American against the latter, then we should at least not cheer the extremist.

[Leftsolidarity]

The Afghans have no choice than to fight the American troops (working class grunts or not). No self-respecting revolutionary leftist should ever shed a tear when a soldier acting at the behest of American imperialism falls. That is not say that we should throw parties or celebrate either, but an Afghan goat herder shooting an American GI is not the same as a GI shooting an Afghan goat herder. The Afghan is in his own country on his own land, the GI is an occupier who has invaded his nation and is now trying to steal its resources and prop up a puppet government to rule over him.

I hold nothing against those fighting against the American soldiers and wish them the best because they are fighting for the just side I believe. I side with the Afghanis but still do not like seeing fellow working class people die.

[CHE with an AK]

If it's an American against the latter, then we should at least not cheer the extremist.
We don't have to. In that case I hope they both kill each other.

However, I'm not sure I buy most of the U.S. propaganda against the Taliban. Sure they are batshit crazy muslims - but not anymore so than the House of Saud who the U.S. props up.

[Susurrus]

We don't have to. In that case I hope they both kill each other.

However, I'm not sure I buy most of the U.S. propaganda against the Taliban. Sure they are batshit crazy muslims - but not anymore so than the House of Saud who the U.S. props up.

So they both should be fought. Your point?

[ZeroNowhere]

Give me a fuck'n break, grow up and stop watching disney movies.
How grown-up and mature of you.

[CHE with an AK]

So they both should be fought. Your point?
It should be obvious.

If there is a hypothetical where a GI grunt of Imperialism finds himself battling a psychotic fascist taliban fighter, who wants to behead all women who show their ankles, then I hope that they both kill each other.

However, I don't buy the US propaganda that most of the taliban are as bad as they say, and even if they were, the US supports many regimes who are identical - making their case hypocritical and dishonest. It has nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with natural gas (in Afghanistan's case).

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

American soldiers are almost unanimously working class.

Maybe the enlisted men but the officers are most definately bourgy college fucks. But you're right in saying the majority of American soldiers and those whom are actually dying are proletarians, yeah and this is why I wouldn't say their deaths are a good thing. In terms of slowing down and fighting the American imperialist war machine though, yes, I think it's good. Complex situation imho.

[Susurrus]

However, I don't buy the US propaganda that most of the taliban are as bad as they say, and even if they were, the US supports many regimes who are identical - making their case hypocritical and dishonest. It has nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with natural gas (in Afghanistan's case).

Well yes, but just because the US sometimes supports it doesn't mean it shouldn't be fought. The US supported a lot of dictatorships in its time, but it criticizes the ones that don't serve its interests. Does this justify dictatorships? No.

And another thing, the rank and file of the occupiers seem to usually be okay guys, and trying to do the right thing in morally complex situations. Most of the crazy and evil stuff(Abu Grahib, etc) comes from higher ups or is ordered by them.

[Jose Gracchus]

Navy SEALs are the most trusted paladins of the ruling class, and are career killers for the U.S. imperial machine. They are the modern equivalent of the palace guard. They are also fertile ground for mercenary recruitment and even the founding of Blackwater, I believe. Most will spend their whole lives taking home a salary to help the ruling class contain workers worldwide by means of organized and intense violence.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Oh fuck off.

[thesadmafioso]

The actual physical act of an American soldier being killed is not one which should be considered a generally commendable act because, as revolutionary leftists, we seek to eliminate the circumstances wherein members of the working class are led off to fight in the wars of capitalism. The basis of recruitment for the US military is robust enough to replace most losses of this scale and it will easy fill the vacancies. We should not condemn the soldiers themselves but rather the condition of capitalistic society which drove them to their position.

Though this is not to say that the American soldier deserves any support in theory or practice, as this is still a position designed to act in a manner which runs contrary to the class interests of the proletariat. Regardless of the deplorable circumstances of capitalistic society which drove them to taking up this role, they still carry out a duty which is reactionary in most every imaginable way. So you really have to take a varied approach to this question, sympathy for the struggle of the individual and condemnation for the individuals role in the military industrial complex and the imperialism which it sews.

Though theory aside for a moment, I feel little to no compassion or empathy for the cold blooded murderers of this seal team who were killed as of late. They went well beyond the pale in joining such a vile organization and reached a point where it becomes near the realm of impossibility to find empathy for their actions. They can hardly be classified as soldiers so much as implements of imperialistic chaos and destruction; more capitalistic machinery of warfare than human.

[Rss]

Positive thing to happen would include american soldier going home safe and sound, iraqis building their revolution on their own and war reparations for Iraq.

Unfortunately world isn't that optimal. Unfortunately.

[Sensible Socialist]

I would rather have all American soldiers go home rather than die. They're people, many of whom have been tricked into joining (either due to lies or because of lack of education/employment opportunities). Many have been deployed several times more than they signed up for. As a general rule, death should never be cheered for. That said, there are American troops who have committed horrible attrocities. They've caused the deaths of civilians, adults and children alike, and would do it again if not for their deaths. In that respect, if their death means that others will live, I can live with that as well. But overall, we should focus on ending the wars and holding those truly responsible (the politicians who send them, the businesses who manufacture weapons of death) to justice.

[blake 3:17]

Asking this in the wake of a helicopter crash in Afghanistan that killed 30 imperialist troops and 8 collaborator Afghani soldiers.

I voted yes. The best thing for all sides is for the West to withdraw all military forces from Afghanistan. We cannot impose our will on Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is very different from most countries and is better left alone.

One of the best steps for reform would be to allow Afghanis to produce opium legally, without threat of attack or eradication. Opium poppies have a very legitimate global demand, and they are amongst the few crops which excede the most basic needs of farmers.

[Particles]

However, I don't buy the US propaganda that most of the taliban are as bad as they say, and even if they were, the US supports many regimes who are identical - making their case hypocritical and dishonest.

Not only do they support similar regimes but the U.S actually gave the Taliban guns and funding. At least, from the american view, it gave the public something to hate and the government a scapegoat for the other reasons for the war when the Taliban realized how they were tools of imperialism and fought back.

[chimx]

wtf? the fact that this thread exists at all is fucked up.

[electro_fan]

wtf of course it's not, working class people dying in wars for the ruling class is not a good thing ffs.

[citizen of industry]

There is a very high percentage of working class people in the military - and many of them join out of high school and don't go to college after getting out - thus entering the proletariat after the military. On top of that you should look at the minority statistics. There are a much higher percentage of minorities in the military than in civil society, i.e; more recruits come from impoverished neighborhoods and/or migrant families. So you have a nice mix of teenagers, minorities and workers, often all three. Definitely working class.

I've met a lot of revolutionaries who are veterans. Their military experience radicalizes them. So would I celebrate the death of some young minority working class kid overseas based on some intellectual exercise? No. And soldiers and veterans have proven to be a revolutionary force in history on many occasions, the Russian revolution for one.

[The Douche]

When people die it is never a "good thing". Are soldiers "workers in uniforms"? Generally yes. (if we're talking about enlisted and junior NCOs) But they are also serving the interests of the ruling class, and in some cases, very willingly.

I don't get happy or cheer, or think its a good thing when people die. I support the defeat of imperialism, and that means a military struggle often times, I know what that means, I know it means soldiers must/will die.

I knew what it meant when I was in Iraq, how could I possibly have thought my own death, or the deaths of my friends would be "good things"? Thinking something may be an unfortunate reality of the struggle, is not the same as thinking it is "good". Only a sociopath/psychopath would think somebody's death is "good".

[Zav]

Give me a fuck'n break, grow up and stop watching disney movies. Do you think an Iraqi kid who's entire family was blown up would save GWB?
*late reply: doesn't care*
To be honest, that's insulting. If not for the tone, then for the implication that I torture myself with Disney films. The phrase 'after-school specials' would have been more appropriate. :laugh:

I was not asking whether or not an immature child would, but rather whether the reader, whom I would hope to be a mature thinking revolutionary with a conscience, would.

[Kamerat]

wtf? the fact that this thread exists at all is fucked up.
Agree, of course its a good thing that imperialist soldiers die. There will be less support for the imperialist war at home with more casualties, which will lead to the imperialist ceasing the occupation if the anti war movement gets a large enough influence.

Imperialism is what keeps sustaining capitalism. Because the imperialist country's needs to exploit other country's to gain super profit which they need to pacify and contain working class consciousness at home. When country's resist imperialism and there is none or few country's left to exploit there will not be any super profit to pacify and contain working class consciousness, which will lead to an revolution.

[electro_fan]

Agree, of course its a good thing that imperialist soldiers die. There will be less support for the imperialist war at home with more casualties, which will lead to the imperialist ceasing the occupation if the anti war movement gets a large enough influence.

Imperialism is what keeps sustaining capitalism. Because the imperialist country's needs to exploit other country's to gain super profit which they need to pacify and contain working class consciousness at home. When country's resist imperialism and there is none or few country's left to exploit there will not be any super profit to pacify and contain working class consciousness, which will lead to an revolution.
wtf??

[Kamerat]

wtf??
Woops, sorry. Did not see the typo. It should be 'a revolution', not 'an revolution'. You have to excuse me, English is not my native language.