Just saw the new Planet of the Apes.

[Rafiq]

If you can, go see it, it's worth ten bucks no doubt.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Again, I have to say, this movie is fucking brilliant.

[RedSonRising]

I'll always hold the originals in a special place because of their brilliant social commentary and science fiction mindfucking, but this modern adaptation was truly great. I loved it. I recommend it to anyone. I can't wait for the sequels.

[Blackburn]

I loved it. best one yet, and I'm a fan of all the old ones.

There were some awesome moments, especially in the last quarter.

[RedSonRising]

I loved it. best one yet, and I'm a fan of all the old ones.

There were some awesome moments, especially in the last quarter.

You really think this one was better? It was obviously the most modern, but I feel like the themes of war, segregation, Persephone, nuclear power, and the ethics of revolution were what made the old ones amazing, especially when combined with the characters and sci-fi storyline. That speech at the end of "Conquest" has to be one of the best in film history.

This new one was great in questioning the ethical treatment of animals, but they have yet to develop the parallels to human behavior that raise all of those important questions. I hope they do it in the sequels. Mind you I'm not one that rates films purely on their social message, but the way the older films did it were just so clever and pioneering that I have to give them the edge.

[Tim Cornelis]

I loved it. best one yet, and I'm a fan of all the old ones.

There were some awesome moments, especially in the last quarter.

There was more than one?

[Tablo]

There was more than one?
Lol, there were five.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i really thought the commercials looked dumb as shit. maybe im wrong.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I've always thought the original 1968 Planet of the Apes was barely concealed racism and played on fears of middle class US whites of the time. Simply put, the apes were blacks. When Roddy McDowell and his friends are about to enter the Forbidden Zone, McDowell asks one of the gorilla military leaders, "What will we find there?" The "gorilla" answers, "Your future", implying that humans, ie "white people" are the only one's capable of creating an industrial civilization and they have to be kept primitive, or their progress will destroy the world again.

The POTA TV series of the early 70s came closer to nazism. A German scientist warns of the danger of the apes, who appear to be increasing in intelligence. "I grew up in Germany, and I saw what happens," he warns. This is ostensibly supposed to be a warning of the dangers of nazism, but its actually the exact opposite.

Planet of the Apes was ostensibly based on a really bad Pierre Brou SF novel but in reality seemed to be more based around Ape and Essence by Aldous Huxley about a futuristic post-apocalyptic Satan worshiping cult in California.

The 2001 remake was harmlessly entertaining.

In b4 Khad, I guess.

Yeah, I wish that Lenina beyatch wouldn't keep ruining everyone's fun.

[Kosakk]

Been long since I saw the original 5. Remembering giving up at "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" though.The 2001 remake was bad, imo.

But, guess I should check out the new one?

[RedSonRising]

I've always thought the original 1968 Planet of the Apes was barely concealed racism and played on fears of middle class US whites of the time. Simply put, the apes were blacks. When Roddy McDowell and his friends are about to enter the Forbidden Zone, McDowell asks one of the gorilla military leaders, "What will we find there?" The "gorilla" answers, "Your future", implying that humans, ie "white people" are the only one's capable of creating an industrial civilization and they have to be kept primitive, or their progress will destroy the world again.


I don't know about that; it's feasible, but it seems that it was supposed to be a parallel to segregation and racism. The apes are supposed to show human audiences the horrors of this society, and then make them realize that they themselves are doing the same exact thing.

"Conquest" highlights this the best; one of the officials, MacDonald, cooperating with the command center interrogating/torturing Caesar (having heard him speak) helps him organize and rise to power, because he sympathizes with them, as he is African American. At the end, after the battle is won by the apes, MacDonald is horrified by the brutally they are demonstrating, and says "I as a descendent of slaves, am telling you to show compassion." When a female ape utters "no", the first ape besides Caesar to speak, he agrees and shows compassion. The captured commander, Breck, says that apes represent the animalistic and darker side of man, and so they seek to control the beasts and in doing so suppress their own primal side.

Throughout the series, compassion and scientific endeavors are supported over the ignorance and fear-mongering of the religious ruling class, represented by the Orangutang. So while your theory does seem interesting and could draw parallel, I'm inclined to think that the storyline is supposed to criticize society's organization rather than justify the fears behind cultural preservation of privileged groups.

[ellipsis]

i really thought the commercials looked dumb as shit. maybe im wrong.

No the movie sucks, 3/4s of it is crappy storyline which no action which builds up to one big action scene. At least the apes kill lots of cops. The movie was so bad my girlfriend and I snuck into horrible bosses afterwards just to get our money's worthy.

[ellipsis]

Yeah, I wish that Lenina beyatch wouldn't keep ruining everyone's fun.

Verbal warning for sexist language. Wise up bra.

[Agent Equality]

No the movie sucks, 3/4s of it is crappy storyline which no action which builds up to one big action scene. At least the apes kill lots of cops. The movie was so bad my girlfriend and I snuck into horrible bosses afterwards just to get our money.

Incredible story line with incredible character development. Its called RISE of the planet of the apes for a reason, because it tells the story of the rise of the super intelligent apes and why they came to pass. I don't know if you were just expecting a blockbuster with lots EXPLUZHUNZ and PEWPEWS but this movie was top quality story telling. If you didn't feel for caesar then you have no heart. You don't even have to look at it with a certain bias to be able to appreciate the story it tells. Not to mention the animation of the apes themselves was incredible.

I swear, movie goers could care less about story telling and character development nowadays. >_>

[Aloysius]

The trailers made this seems like it would be just another action movie, and not really something worth seeing again, but lots of people have saying it was great.

Saw the 2001 remake, laughed at it's terrible-ness.
Haven't seen the older ones, though. I'm sure I know someone who has them all.

[Aspiring Humanist]

It was great movie but sounded like a primitivist yelling at me for 2 hours

[CommunityBeliever]

At least the apes kill lots of cops.

Apes vs pigs.

[Rafiq]

I've always thought the original 1968 Planet of the Apes was barely concealed racism and played on fears of middle class US whites of the time. Simply put, the apes were blacks. When Roddy McDowell and his friends are about to enter the Forbidden Zone, McDowell asks one of the gorilla military leaders, "What will we find there?" The "gorilla" answers, "Your future", implying that humans, ie "white people" are the only one's capable of creating an industrial civilization and they have to be kept primitive, or their progress will destroy the world again.

The POTA TV series of the early 70s came closer to nazism. A German scientist warns of the danger of the apes, who appear to be increasing in intelligence. "I grew up in Germany, and I saw what happens," he warns. This is ostensibly supposed to be a warning of the dangers of nazism, but its actually the exact opposite.

Planet of the Apes was ostensibly based on a really bad Pierre Brou SF novel but in reality seemed to be more based around Ape and Essence by Aldous Huxley about a futuristic post-apocalyptic Satan worshiping cult in California.

The 2001 remake was harmlessly entertaining.

In b4 Khad, I guess.

Yeah, I wish that Lenina beyatch wouldn't keep ruining everyone's fun.



The newer one is no where near like that.

Actually, it's quit pro-Communist (in the qualified sense) in that it is similar to the spartacus slave revolts.

The movie highlights the biggest goal of the working class: Not liberty, not freedom, but emancipation.

The movie was quite beautiful in this sense. When the gorilla died too, I actually felt sad myself, seeing it was Caesars first comrade.

And no, the apes in this one are smarter than humans are.

How is that racist?

The apes, if you actually fucking watch the movies, begin to industrialize a lot more rapidly than humans ever dreamed of.

Over analysing much?

[Invader Zim]

I've always thought the original 1968 Planet of the Apes was barely concealed racism and played on fears of middle class US whites of the time. Simply put, the apes were blacks. When Roddy McDowell and his friends are about to enter the Forbidden Zone, McDowell asks one of the gorilla military leaders, "What will we find there?" The "gorilla" answers, "Your future", implying that humans, ie "white people" are the only one's capable of creating an industrial civilization and they have to be kept primitive, or their progress will destroy the world again.

Does not compute. Man (whom you contend the film views as synonamous white) is the 'bad guy' which destroyed the world and the racial caste system is what made the ape society a dystopia. Seems like the film makers shot them selves in the feet if they were trying to make a racist picture.

[ellipsis]

Incredible story line with incredible character development. Its called RISE of the planet of the apes for a reason, because it tells the story of the rise of the super intelligent apes and why they came to pass. I don't know if you were just expecting a blockbuster with lots EXPLUZHUNZ and PEWPEWS but this movie was top quality story telling. If you didn't feel for caesar then you have no heart. You don't even have to look at it with a certain bias to be able to appreciate the story it tells. Not to mention the animation of the apes themselves was incredible.

I swear, movie goers could care less about story telling and character development nowadays. >_>

In those regards, other than the animation which was really good, the film was still lacking. I don't want to see a movie which is just backstory for the next movie, which is how this film felt.

[Agent Equality]

In those regards, other than the animation which was really good, the film was still lacking. I don't want to see a movie which is just backstory for the next movie, which is how this film felt.

It was a backstory for the whole series that they are going to make. Every story must have a beginning and this is that beginning. I'd hardly like to see a movie where i don't know what in God's name is going on or why everything like it is. Its quite annoying when they leave you in the dark.

[Sensible Socialist]

It was a backstory for the whole series that they are going to make. Every story must have a beginning and this is that beginning. I'd hardly like to see a movie where i don't know what in God's name is going on or why everything like it is. Its quite annoying when they leave you in the dark.
It doesn't have to be so black and white. A great film can bring out the backstory throughout the course of events and through dialogue. I haven't seen the newest POTA, but I hope it's not simply a springboard for the future films. It should be able to stand on its own merits as a film unto itself, without having other films in the future validate it.

[Agent Equality]

It doesn't have to be so black and white. A great film can bring out the backstory throughout the course of events and through dialogue. I haven't seen the newest POTA, but I hope it's not simply a springboard for the future films. It should be able to stand on its own merits as a film unto itself, without having other films in the future validate it.

Yeah....I was kind of trying to say what you are but didn't quite have the words. :) Disregard my post then. Its what you described.

[Red And Black Sabot]

Saw it last night.
I thought it was awesome and the first thing I commented on after watching the movie was it's politics.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Maybe I'm over analyzing, I don't know. I have seen the 2001 remake but its one of those fluff movies I literally don't remember watching. I have seen the first 3 but I admit I don't know the "canon" really well.

As far as the original films go,ts important to understand the zeitgeist of that era.The first POTA film came out in 1968 at a time when the US was bogged down in Vietnam, a student and youth uprising was beginning, and most disturbing of all to middle America were the BPP and what seemed like the beginnings of urban guerrilla warfare.There was an apocalyptic mentality which is hard to understand today.The one guy who was supposed to be able to hold things together was Bobby Kennedy and he was bumped off.

A "race war" destroying America was something a of pop-culture meme of the time. Gated communities began at that time, wealthy white people began moving to armed compounds.The 1968 movie was interesting, I don't think it was a "bad" film but it appealed to a particular zeitgeist. Astronauts travel 700 years in the future. They think they're on another planet.They find in the Forbidden Zone that they're in what was New York and see the iconic Statue of Liberty buried in sand.A lesser evolved species, the apes, had taken over and had a primitive imitation civilization in its place. That seems an obvious appeal to the subconscious fears of the bougoise of the time. True the message was blunted somewhat, the humans had to be kept in a primitive state because they were they only ones capable of creating an industrial civilization with all its dangers. After all, the Third World at the time wanted to keep the West in check, because of the dangers of colonialism. Europe and America are threatening with all their progress, therefore they must be kept in check.

Maybe no one will agree with me, but I see the original POTA films as appealing to a deep subliminal racism and racial fears.The apes are blacks.(there were other memes in the film but that was certainly one of them). I'm surprised people on the left would disagree with this. The new film sounds interesting. It probably turns the meme on its head and appeals to rebellion against tyranny and animal liberation. Times change.

[Red Future]

Incredible story line with incredible character development. Its called RISE of the planet of the apes for a reason, because it tells the story of the rise of the super intelligent apes and why they came to pass. I don't know if you were just expecting a blockbuster with lots EXPLUZHUNZ and PEWPEWS but this movie was top quality story telling. If you didn't feel for caesar then you have no heart. You don't even have to look at it with a certain bias to be able to appreciate the story it tells. Not to mention the animation of the apes themselves was incredible.

I swear, movie goers could care less about story telling and character development nowadays. >_>

There is very little of it in current films anyway ..the way the mainstream seems to be progressing.

[ellipsis]

It was a backstory for the whole series that they are going to make. Every story must have a beginning and this is that beginning. I'd hardly like to see a movie where i don't know what in God's name is going on or why everything like it is. Its quite annoying when they leave you in the dark.

Well the original and best PotA movie did just that. And oh wow it has one of the most memorable endings in film history.

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[BE_]

I am not a big fan of pop movies, but it seems quite good. It looks like it has a really good plot.

[CHE with an AK]

I liked the movie.

+ you have to love a movie about apes that in it's reviews can garner both a Che and Stalin reference.



But that’s not all. Where Heston was the protagonist and focus of the original Planet, Rise puts chimp hero Caesar front and centre. This isn’t just an angry ape who wants more bananas, but a brave and canny hero who, having been given super intelligence by his scientist guardian, resolves to use it for the advancement of his species. He’s a rebel, a fighter, a simian Che Guevara. We’re not sure how he’ll take over our planet, but we’re intrigued to see him do it.



Here’s one other thing that sets Rise apart: it’s smart. One of its chimps, for example, is called Koba, a character from a 1882 Russian novel whose name was adopted as a pseudonym by Joseph Stalin. When was the last summer blockbuster that boasted that level of literary and historical allusion? Eat your heart out, Harry Potter.


http://movies.uk.msn.com/blog/editor-blogpost.aspx?post=e60c7928-e6dd-403b-8cd2-5266051efe91




Now all I need is the shirt ...

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[Os Cangaceiros]

Maybe no one will agree with me, but I see the original POTA films as appealing to a deep subliminal racism and racial fears.The apes are blacks.(there were other memes in the film but that was certainly one of them). I'm surprised people on the left would disagree with this. The new film sounds interesting. It probably turns the meme on its head and appeals to rebellion against tyranny and animal liberation. Times change.

It's one thing to analyze a film's time period and background. It's another to divine meaning from it with little in the way of actual proof. With films like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, or Cannibal Holocaust, we can say that these films are (partly) about Vietnam and Vietnam/the Red Brigades, respectively, because that's what the filmmakers have said. But saying POTA has a white nationalist message seems very speculative, and probably not worth debating.

[Blackburn]

You really think this one was better? It was obviously the most modern, but I feel like the themes of war, segregation, Persephone, nuclear power, and the ethics of revolution were what made the old ones amazing, especially when combined with the characters and sci-fi storyline. That speech at the end of "Conquest" has to be one of the best in film history.

This new one was great in questioning the ethical treatment of animals, but they have yet to develop the parallels to human behavior that raise all of those important questions. I hope they do it in the sequels. Mind you I'm not one that rates films purely on their social message, but the way the older films did it were just so clever and pioneering that I have to give them the edge.

Let me qualify what I mean: In a purely cinematic sense, this is the best made film. The best film in the art of film-making.

However, in terms of the campy Planet of the Apes law, yes there are better ones.

[RedSonRising]

Let me qualify what I mean: In a purely cinematic sense, this is the best made film. The best film in the art of film-making.

However, in terms of the campy Planet of the Apes law, yes there are better ones.


I see your point.




I kind of wish there were a Rise of the Planet of the Apes video game. I would love to go through different missions overthrowing the oppressive structures of humanity with the athleticism of an ape, the intelligence of an advanced simian, and the rage of an oppressed creature. It's obviously too controversial to make, but who wouldn't want to swing on the San Fransisco bridge and dive into a helicopter as Buck the gorilla and have a one-on-one battle with Koba the muscular alpha chimp with a trashcan as your weapon? Shit would be doooope.

[Tommy4ever]

Just saw this film, and it really is awesome. :D

Despite looking kinda stupid in the adverts they somehow created a very well made and intelligent film about an ape revolution which really is packed with leftist imagery.