Any decent Communist (preferably Trot) parties in the US with a Long Island branch?

[MustCrushCapitalism]

I've had this issue for a while. CPUSA is good and all but supporting the Democrats gets nothing done. I've also heard of Socialist Alternative and the PSL which both sound interesting, but I'd rather take advice from someone more knowledgeable on this.

Anyone know any parties that fit my description?

[gendoikari]

Hold your horses my friend. The NOC is organizing. Coalescing ALL the socialist parties into one candidate for the upcoming elections. If we play our cards right by this time next year we could be seeing serious debates between the bachmann/romney, Obama and a real socialist candidate.

[Welshy]

Hold your horses my friend. The NOC is organizing. Coalescing ALL the socialist parties into one candidate for the upcoming elections. If we play our cards right by this time next year we could be seeing serious debates between the bachmann/romney, Obama and a real socialist candidate.

Not to derail the thread but what is the NOC? Also good luck getting all of the socialist parties together to support a candidate for the presidential election.

@OP: I think most of the large left organizations in the US have branches in the NYC region, so I would just contact those whose politics you like the best and see if they have a branch there.

[The Douche]

Not to derail the thread but what is the NOC? Also good luck getting all of the socialist parties together to support a candidate for the presidential election.

@OP: I think most of the large left organizations in the US have branches in the NYC region, so I would just contact those whose politics you like the best and see if they have a branch there.

NOC is a social democratic grouping that just started. Its the National Organizing Committee, just another contribution to the alphabet soup.

[gendoikari]

What Cmoney said. Their basic goal is to stop the infighting, that is costing us a real voice and is tearing the republicans apart. It will mean we will have to associate with organizations we would normally not but we're all socialists, and we're an actual solution to the problems just just a crapshoot like the dems. Spread the word, this could be our last chance at a peaceful revolution.

[RedTrackWorker]

I don't know what your criteria are really. The lrp has an NYC branch, not long island per se. Check out the website-even if it isn't for you, feedback is welcomed.

[The Douche]

What Cmoney said. Their basic goal is to stop the infighting, that is costing us a real voice and is tearing the republicans apart. It will mean we will have to associate with organizations we would normally not but we're all socialists, and we're an actual solution to the problems just just a crapshoot like the dems. Spread the word, this could be our last chance at a peaceful revolution.

They have pretty shitty politics, and I don't think you're gonna find many people on here very excited about them, because this is revolutionary left, not reformist left.

[gendoikari]

Oh trust me. ANY reformist action will devolve quickly into a revolutionary one as soon as the capitalist see what just snuck by them. It would certainly be a WTFBBQ?!?! moment for them. They will react without having time to actually think, and the Shit will hit the fan.

Edit: in fact the capitalists are so busy in fighting at the moment about who gets what portion of the pie, we might be able to sneak a few things in before they realize what's going on.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Oh trust me. ANY reformist action will devolve quickly into a revolutionary one as soon as the capitalist see what just snuck by them. It would certainly be a WTFBBQ?!?! moment for them. They will react without having time to actually think, and the Shit will hit the fan.
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[The Douche]

Oh trust me. ANY reformist action will devolve quickly into a revolutionary one as soon as the capitalist see what just snuck by them. It would certainly be a WTFBBQ?!?! moment for them. They will react without having time to actually think, and the Shit will hit the fan.

1) The capitalist state is not going to allow reforms or reformers into power right now.

2) If we were to enter a revolutionary situation it is organizations like NOC who would seek to mediate the struggle.

[Who?]

Are you looking for an actual Trotskyist group or a group of 3rd camp anti-communists?

There's a big difference.

If you're looking for the former I'd have to recommend Socialist Action. I think they may have an NYC branch.

The CPUSA isn't Trotskyist, I doubt they hate Trotskyists as much as they used to but you probably wouldn't be too welcome.

The PSL is Marxist-Leninist as well, but they come from the Trotskyist tradition and would probably tolerate Pabloites, maybe. I've personally never met a Trotskyist PSL member. I've met Maoist members and Marxist-Leninist members but never Trotskyists.

[gendoikari]

1) The capitalist state is not going to allow reforms or reformers into power right now.

2) If we were to enter a revolutionary situation it is organizations like NOC who would seek to mediate the struggle.

1) the capitalist state is arguing with itself right now,

2) after the first shot is fired fired I think the NOC will be irrelevant, and have had served its purpose at that point. And if it that first shot never comes, hey we've done things peacefully. But that shot will come, cause i'm not talking a few series of small bills like obama care. i'm talking a full revision of the constitution.



because this is revolutionary left, not reformist left.

Now when you say this, what exactly do you mean by REVOLUTION? Violent, non violent?

[The Douche]

Now when you say this, what exactly do you mean by REVOLUTION? Violent, non violent?

I mean abolishing capitalism, which is not what the NOC calls for.

You should read about the role that the communist and socialist parties all over the world have played in recuperating and managing struggle when revolution starts. (Spanish civil war and France '68 being easily accessible examples)

[gendoikari]

true the NOC isn't immediately going to abolish anything. but it's a small stepping stone. once we get the world out about what socialism is, and get people to see we can elect a socialist into government, high levels of government. we will have bolstered the movement to the point that we can acutally do something. Gotta learn to walk before you can run.

[The Douche]

This is totally irrelevant, I'm not going to derail this thread. The NOC is a reformist organization, and not one that is going to get popular. Thats my opinion after 10 years of experience.

[manic expression]

I've personally never met a Trotskyist PSL member.
Depends on how you define "Trotskyist". However, I've met many members who consistently uphold Trotsky's contributions and positions...so I'm 100% sure that a Trotskyist would get along fine in the PSL.

@Joseph Puglisi, if you're looking for a communist party in the NYC area, definitely get in touch with the NYC PSL (http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/branches/nyc/) and see what you think. :thumbup1:

[Blackscare]

PSL's closest branch to LI is in Harlem. They have a few contacts on the island but no branches. I've met a few people with Trot sympathies. I investigated joining them myself a while back. They're good people and committed revolutionaries at least, but I wouldn't join them. The SEP is a trot group that has some sort of branch in NYC. I wouldn't join, they're not active. They're essentially a book club with a weird teacher/student dynamic between a few semi-charismatic professors and the 7-10 elderly meeting-goers (well, they have one young member that I know of, but he's not a very exciting guy).

I don't know about any other groups, but chances are ones that I've missed that are active in New York will be focusing efforts on the city.

[Q]

Since you mentioned Socialist Alternative, there are a few members here on Revleft. Fly Pan Dulce comes to mind. There are many more CWI members here, the international organisation SA is a part of, including me.

So, if you have questions, please ask.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Since you mentioned Socialist Alternative, there are a few members here on Revleft. Fly Pan Dulce comes to mind. There are many more CWI members here, the international organisation SA is a part of, including me.

So, if you have questions, please ask.

I actually was suggested to the CWI by someone from their Swedish branch. How is the CWI ideologically? Trotskyist leaning from what I hear?