Does America's support for Zionism and the Zionist State of Israel cause the Arabs/Mu

[tradeunionsupporter]

Does America's support for Zionism and the Zionist State of Israel cause the Arabs/Muslims to hate the USA in my opinion the answer is yes ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=160532&mesg_id=160731

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm

[pluckedflowers]

Yes. Next question...

[ComradeMan]

I would say the role of the US in the Middle East and viz. the Israel-Palestine confilct is definitely a factor.

[Tommy4ever]

Its amongst the most important reasons (probably the most important reason) for the distaste for America in that region.

[OhYesIdid]

Its amongst the most important reasons (probably the most important reason) for the distaste for America in that region.

I dunno. The middle east is part of the Third World, and naturally it has been subject to neo-colonialist opression by the US, like coup d'etats and such. I think it's simplistic to think it's the only factor in it, but it is important.

[jake williams]

I dunno. The middle east is part of the Third World, and naturally it has been subject to neo-colonialist opression by the US, like coup d'etats and such. I think it's simplistic to think it's the only factor in it, but it is important.
Israeli state policy is an example, a subset of the subjection of the Middle East to neo-colonialist oppression by the US.

US-Israel relations are definitely some of the most commonly stated reasons for anti-American sentiments, but there's also a long track record of Arab governments, themselves pawns of the US, using anti-Israeli sentiment as a way of deflecting anger towards themselves (which clearly is failing right now in a spectacular way). So to what extent it represents deeper concerns, and to what extent it's actually sincere, is not clear.

But there is a generalized global outrage about Israeli state policy. It's a tiny minority of imperialist states, and tiny elites within those countries, who broadly support the direction of Israeli state policy. Of course there is legitimate and very real popular outrage amongst their most direct victims, the Arab people, and since the Arab people is pretty politically literate, they're well aware of the ties between Israel and the US.

[RGacky3]

Also they have a lot of history of imperialism, almost non stop imperialism against their countries.

[jrfla2006]

they don't support zionists because of religion,race or some conspiracy(like the w.n like to say),they support them because the zionists wars are economically interesting.
I think Israel is just a puppet state of USA,nothing more than it.

[Viet Minh]

For some perhaps, for others it may be because of the Iraq or Afghanistan wars, for others it may go back further to the first gulf war, US bombing of Iraq, or US actually putting Saddam Hussein or the Taleban for example into power in the first place. But its a mistake to talk about Arabs as a single entity, let alone Muslims. There are Arabs and Muslims who support Israel and even some who are in the IDF for instance. As a whole the Islamic World probably opposes Israel and supports Palestine to a greater or lesser degree, but even within that support are very factionalised sets like the split between Sunni and Shia for example.

Zionism itself is a disputable term, advocating even the existence of Israel could be seen as Zionism, in which case there are even many muslim zionists (in as far as they support a two state solution) or to take it to extremes the idea of a Jewish only theocratic state from the Euphrates to the Nile. No doubt both of these currents exist within Israel, and possibly always have to some extent within the Zionist movement(s).

[balaclava]

Muslims hate all non Muslims, they just hate some more than others.

A more intersting question is - why do Muslims hate nations that treat them well more than nations that do not?

"In a 2006 poll (http://pewglobal.org/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/), 63 percent of Britons viewed Muslims favourably. Less than a third said that they thought of Muslims as violent. On the other hand, 67 percent of British Muslims viewed Westerns as selfish, 62 percent saw them as arrogant. British Muslims rated Westerners far lower than German Muslims, French Muslims or Spanish Muslims did. And 68 percent of British Muslims views Jews negatively, suggesting is still the last acceptable form of bigotry. And that rather than being the "New Jews" as some Muslim leaders like to claim, the Jews are still the old Jews. And maybe the Britons are the New Jews of Londonistan.
You might put this down to the resentments of an oppressed Islamoproliteriat (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/01/muslim-terrorist-as-eternal-victim.html), but most Muslims polled also believed they were fairly treated. Above the numbers for French and German Muslims. Yet British Muslims are also far more 'immoderate' than other European Muslims. It almost seems as if Muslim bigotry against the natives increases proportionally with how well they are treated. That might help explain why younger Muslims are actually more radicalized or 'immoderate' than their parents who immigrated to the UK."

[RGacky3]

Muslims hate all non Muslims, they just hate some more than others.


Wow, shit if you asked most of the world they'd say westerners are arrogant and selfish.

As for your racist sentiments I don't know why it suprises me.

You know when Muslims were least resentful? When the west was'nt messing with them, there was no Muslim terrorism before western imperialism.

your racism is discusting.

[Fawkes]

Just want to point out that Arab is not synonymous with Muslim. Arabs are members of a specific ethnic group, Muslims are followers of a specific religion. Obviously there is a huge crossover between the two, but a huge number of Muslims are not Arabs and vice versa. I'm assuming you knew this, but it's still an important distinction to make.

[Viet Minh]

Muslims hate all non Muslims, they just hate some more than others.

If you care to rephrase that you could say something like 'Islamic texts encourage the idea of non-muslims as inferior or less worthy' - for that you may have an argument. But to suggest all people who happen to be Muslim hate all those who don't :rolleyes:


A more intersting question is - why do Muslims hate nations that treat them well more than nations that do not?

Which countries treat muslims well, and which don't in your opinion? The US for instance imprisons suspected terrorists in Guantanamo Bay for years without trial, and they allegedly torture them too. The UK is also perhaps implicit in this, at least the British citizens in Guantanamo Bay remain there with no intereference from the Government. I won't argue that any of the countries on that list are particularly progressive, but in a discussion about Muslims it seems reasonable to suggest Muslims fair better in a majority Muslim country. Both articles you linked are bullshit though, one is using one sick individual to 'prove' some global truth about 'Muslims' ignoring of course the obvious fact what this person did was against islamic law. The other is a survey with loaded questions and quite blatantly attempts to give an overall picture of suicide-bombing west-hating 'Muslim fundamentalists'. Clearly you're not a seeker of truth you've already made up your mind and will cherrypick any supposed evidence to back up your misconceptions.