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bricolage
31st July 2011, 19:54
Oliver Letwin (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/oliverletwin), the coalition's policy minister, has revealed the government's determination to instil "fear" among those working in the public sector, who he claimed had failed for the past 20 years to improve their productivity.

Letwin, architect of the coalition's plans to reform public services, told a meeting at the offices of a leading consultancy firm that the public sector had atrophied over the past two decades.

In controversial comments angering teachers, nurses and doctors, he warned that it was only through "some real discipline and some fear" of job losses that excellence would be achieved in the public sector.

Letwin added that some of those running schools and hospitals would not survive the process and that it was an "inevitable and intended" consequence of government policy.

"You can't have room for innovation and the pressure for excellence without having some real discipline and some fear on the part of the providers that things may go wrong if they don't live up to the aims that society as a whole is demanding of them," he said.

"If you have diversity of provision and personal choice and power, some providers will be better and some worse. Inevitably, some will not, whether it's because they can't attract the patient or the pupil, for example, or because they can't get results and hence can't get paid. Some will not survive. It is an inevitable and intended consequence of what we are talking about."

Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCSU), reacted angrily to Letwin's comments, describing them as "nonsense".

He added: "Public sector workers are already working in fear – fear of cuts to their job, pension, living standards and of privatisation. Far from improving productivity, the cuts are creating chaos in vital public services."

Letwin was speaking at the launch of a liberal thinktank's report at the London headquarters of KPMG, one of the biggest recipients of government cash, which won the first contract for NHS commissioning following the decision to scrap primary care trusts and further open the health service to private companies.

Letwin's recent white paper on public sector reform had been dismissed as watered down earlier this month amid speculation that the Liberal Democrats had vetoed radical change. But Letwin said on Wednesday that he believed he was prosecuting "the most ambitious set of public service reforms that any government in modern Britain has undertaken", adding that productivity had improved across the economy except in the public sector in the past 20 years.

A spokesman for the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said he did not know where Letwin had sourced his figures. However, an ONS analysis that works back to 1997, shows that productivity in public services fell on average by 0.3% a year between 1997 and 2008 because the level of inputs, such as staff and equipment, increased faster than the output, such as operations performed and numbers of pupils taught.

Harriet Harman (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/harrietharman), Labour's deputy leader, said last night that she did not recognise Letwin's portrayal of the public sector. "Death rates in hospitals have been falling, satisfaction levels have been rising," she said. "What hasn't changed is the Tories' antipathy to public services. And the idea that the way to improve public services is to put fear into those who provide them is absolutely grotesque."

A Cabinet Office spokesperson said: "It is widely acknowledged that there is a problem with productivity in public services. The government's policy is to improve it and provide the best value for the taxpayer."http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/30/public-sector-jobs-oliver-letwin

Klaatu
31st July 2011, 20:58
"Public sector workers need 'discipline and fear'"

What a load of clap-trap.

Personally, I have worked for private business for over 25 years (at different companies)
and have now been in the public sector for 10 years. From what I've seen, there is
absolutely no difference in the two (productivity, discipline, attendance, pay scale, etc)
There is a good reason for this: people are people. Folks that work in the private sector
are not a different species than folks working in the public sector. So generally speaking,
on average, no clear distinctions can be made between public and private: Bosses do the
bossing, and workers do the work. That's pretty much how it works everywhere.

The ONLY reason capitalists try to perpetuate this myth that "private is better than public"
is that they want to get their greasy hands on what they see as their missing profit.
(profit does not exist in the public sector.) They will try to claim that private sector
businesses are (somehow) "more efficient" than public sector workplaces, when the
facts are that there really is no difference. Sure there are times a private business can
be more 'efficient' (the Detroit Three can probably build a car more cheaply than
the government can.) On the other hand, the city firefighters can put out a fire at
that private business a lot faster and more efficiently than the owner could
(and endanger their own lives in the process!)

In fact, every time the public sector tries to do it's job (for example, setting health and
safety regulations - which is their job to begin with) the state gets blasted as being
"unfair to business" and as being "job-killers." That's like saying that the police are
harming an arsonist's job by preventing him from earning a living by being paid to
torch a rival crime business' building. Absurd? You bet.

Kiev Communard
31st July 2011, 21:29
Oliver Letwin, the coalition's policy minister, has revealed the government's determination to instil "fear" among those working in the public sector, who he claimed had failed for the past 20 years to improve their productivity.

Yes, these lazy slackers, not fortunate enough to be born into a some "upper-class" family, how dare they expect that they should live fine without slaving for undisclosed "public" (read: the capitalist State) :rolleyes:.

punisa
1st August 2011, 09:54
So generally speaking,
on average, no clear distinctions can be made between public and private: Bosses do the
bossing, and workers do the work. That's pretty much how it works everywhere.

Hm.. maybe if you speak for certain countries, but as you boldly proclaim "That's pretty much how it works everywhere" I have to disagree.

In my country these are 2 different universes. I have friends from public sector who will openly admit that its is almost impossible to get a job without certain connections.
Sure, there are public workers who work their asses off, but many many landed with a job where they effectively work one, maybe two hours per day.
These mainly belong to an overblown bureaucratic sector that keeps swelling beyond imagination.

Now when comparing this to the private sector... its hell. Insecurity is constant, working hours go far beyond schedule. If you recieve pay on time you are considered a very lucky person.

We suffered a huge rise in unemployment, thousands and thousands of - especially young - people have virtually no chance to get a job. Youth unemployment is approaching 50 %.
How many public workers got sacked? none.

I know, I know... such statements sound very much like creating a division among the working class, but this is not my intention.
Simply we have to be honest about it and tell the truth.

p.s. I work in private sector for 10 years.

Klaatu
1st August 2011, 16:45
Sure, there are public workers who work their asses off, but many many landed with a job where they effectively work one, maybe two hours per day.


I HAVE seen that in private-sector jobs I've held, too. These are usually the people that "have connections"
that is, they are usually friends/kin of the boss/owner. (You mentioned "having connections" to get their job.)

One thing we CAN agree on is that these people are a drag on the organization, whether public or private.

RadioRaheem84
1st August 2011, 17:12
I HAVE seen that in private-sector jobs I've held, too. These are usually the people that "have connections"
that is, they are usually friends/kin of the boss/owner. (You mentioned "having connections" to get their job.)

One thing we CAN agree on is that these people are a drag on the organization, whether public or private.

I am not trying to praise the lazy person, but why do we have this presupposed mentality surrounding work that it must be back breaking and tough or it's not work at all?

It the reason why right wingers shun leftism because when they see the easing of work after it's been unionized or collectivized they think the workers are lazy because they're not working like late 19th century Dickens children.

Klaatu
7th August 2011, 21:42
I am not trying to praise the lazy person, but why do we have this presupposed mentality surrounding work that it must be back breaking and tough or it's not work at all?

It the reason why right wingers shun leftism because when they see the easing of work after it's been unionized or collectivized they think the workers are lazy because they're not working like late 19th century Dickens children.

I have a job teaching for six hours a day, but this job is more exhausting than my old factory job where I had to be on my feet for ten hour days. But that was just brain-dead work. A thinking job like mine leaves one more drained (the thinking, analytical part of the brain uses up a lot of energy!)

While a teaching job may not look hard to a Republican, I can say that I sure do envy their "hard" political jobs... :drool:

Obs
7th August 2011, 21:51
I am not trying to praise the lazy person
To be fair, what's wrong with being lazy if any work you do beyond the bare minimum is nothing but more money in some other (even lazier) guy's pocket?

RadioRaheem84
7th August 2011, 22:00
To be fair, what's wrong with being lazy if any work you do beyond the bare minimum is nothing but more money in some other (even lazier) guy's pocket?

Right on the money. I agree.

Blake's Baby
7th August 2011, 23:07
Oliver Letwin needs 'discipline and fear' say public sector workers.

Fixed that for you (and them, and him).

Feodor Augustus
9th August 2011, 02:55
Oliver Letwin has today further qualified his remarks about 'discipline and fear' in the public sector. In an exclusive interview with Horse & Hound, Mr Letwin quipped: 'I really don't know what all the fuss is about, the public sector will be getting fear and discipline for free, like a bonus add-on, whereas it costs me £1,000 an hour to employ a leather clad dominatrix to trample on my testicles and insult me repeatedly.' Pausing for a moments contemplation, Letwin then added: 'if you ask me, it's all the fault of the welfare state - people are just so pampered these days they don't know what's good for them. Sticks and stones may break your bones, but whips and chains excite me!'

Read on (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kfHVNW-1Skg/SU1kd_0BdDI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/zCut5yEftuI/s320/ifonly.jpg).

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