Learning Difficulties (split from Oper. Barbarossa thread)

[Nox]

Can't you get this "trugh your thik skull"?


Come on man, it isn't funny to mock people with learning difficulties, I'm pretty sure you managed to read it and understand it.

[ComradeMan]

Come on man, it isn't funny to mock people with learning difficulties, I'm pretty sure you managed to read it and understand it.

He's the one who uses "autistic" as an insult and accuses people of being "thick".... but yeah, if that offends anyone I'm sorry- it's not intended to.

[hatzel]

Come on man, it isn't funny to mock people with learning difficulties

You mean, like you're mocking somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language by claiming that their rather Dutch-influenced spelling of English is a sign of learning difficulties?

Agreed, nothing funny about that :unsure:

[Nox]

You mean, like you're mocking somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language by claiming that their rather Dutch-influenced spelling of English is a sign of learning difficulties?

Agreed, nothing funny about that :unsure:

No my friend, once again you're wrong.

I remember seeing something in one of his old posts on either this thread or another thread about him being dyslexic. I'll wait for him to confirm that if he sees this post.

And even if I'm wrong, it's not nice to mock someone for anything, either way it's clear that it isn't his fault that his English isn't so good - so mocking it kind of makes you look like a mean person.

I'm sure you didn't mean it in an offensive way, ComradeMan.

[Comintern1919]

You mean, like you're mocking somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language by claiming that their rather Dutch-influenced spelling of English is a sign of learning difficulties?

Agreed, nothing funny about that :unsure:

Sorry, nothing against such, but if you can't spell english correct, you shouldn't be on an english Forum.

Of course it would be totally different if he would have serious problems with spelling, some sickness or such, but it doesn't seem he has. If he has, I'm really sorry.

But we wouldn't have mocked him at all in the first place if he wouldn't be a: so insulting, b: so arrogant and c: If he would really listen to us.

[ComradeMan]

I remember seeing something in one of his old posts on either this thread or another thread about him being dyslexic. I'll wait for him to confirm that if he sees this post.

Well, I'll go back and edit the post in that case, because if he is dyslexic it would be unfair and douchey.


I'm sure you didn't mean it in an offensive way, ComradeMan.

No, I didn't- by the same token it is undeniably offensive to call people's arguments autistic and refer to their thick skulls. ;)- as our little Stalinoid friend has done.


Nothing it wasn't a response to your autistic Stalin bashing.

[Nox]

No, I didn't- by the same token it is undeniably offensive to call people's arguments autistic and refer to their thick skulls. ;)- as our little Stalinoid friend has done.

It was mean and uncalled for that he said that, but there's a difference between:

- Calling someone autistic as a petty insult without knowing anything about them

and

- Mocking someone for their writing skills when it's clear that they could have a learning disability of some kind

Either way, an insult is an insult and if he says something bad to you, there's no need to lower yourself to his level and insult him in return :)



Stalinoid

*points to my avatar* :thumbup:

Sorry I just had to say that ;)

[ComradeMan]

- Mocking someone for their writing skills when it's clear that they could have a learning disability of some kind

I'm not convinced that the former is not worse than the latter and it was not obvious to me that he may have a problem, other than his weird Stalinism :lol:. I'm also not convinced that someone with a genuine learning difficulty would go around using autistic as an insult either. But, like I said, I have gone back and changed it in the spirit of giving the benefit of the doubt.

I may as well ask here- recently I notice a lot US users here and generally on the internet use these weird spellings and grammar for irony like "i can haz teh book" etc etc.... is this mocking dyslexia?

[Nox]

Ah right, ora capisco! ;) I suddenly had a doubt! With the amount of non-native English speakers, bad spelling in general (sorry Gacky :lol:) and this new "meme" language it's hard to tell at times- hence my obliviousness.

Yes, sorry about being so harsh all of a sudden, I was bullied for a lot of my school life, so I can't stand to see other people being bullied (not implying that you did it intentionally to bully him/were aware he may have learning difficulties).

[hatzel]

I remember seeing something in one of his old posts on either this thread or another thread about him being dyslexic.

Then use the specific term 'dyslexia,' rather than 'learning difficulties.' Dyslexia is a (relatively, though not entirely) neutral term referring to a real or perceived neurological condition (I maintain the possibility of it being perceived inasmuch as I do not feel like succumbing to a quasi-ableist position whereby social expectations of neurological 'norms' alone define which particular differing patterns of brain function we consider 'deficient' or 'worthy' of being considered an condition, whilst socially expected neurological activity isn't given any such name, implying its 'normalcy'), whilst 'learning difficulty' is somewhat worse, insofar as it applies only to those who can be seen to struggle, or have 'difficulties,' when it comes to learning in the manner prevalent in our society. In a different learning environment (that is to say, a different cultural milieu), one which better suits the unique skills of people with 'learning difficulties,' these people can be seen to excel, and the group defined as having 'learning difficulties' would then be reconsidered. That is to say, the concept of a 'learning difficulty' is entirely socially constructed, as a means through which to tar and exclude those of differing abilities.

Dyslexia at least comes from some kind of medical standpoint, as a neurological condition which can, for example, be seen to develop after brain injuries, if these injuries change (though I will not say worsen, as this would be entirely false) the activity of the brain, whilst 'learning difficulty' reduces the entire issue to just claiming that they struggle to learn, itself a product of our cultural expectations of how people should best be taught. That is to say, it requires no neurological or physiological basis, merely a socially perceived 'difficulty' or 'inability.'

However, this whole issue is terribly off-topic, so I won't say any more on the topic...

(Oh, I now see that we appear to be discussing this whole issue, it's not just me...how about we get it split?)

[Nox]

Then use the specific term 'dyslexia,' rather than 'learning difficulties.' Dyslexia is a (relatively, though not entirely) neutral term referring to a real or perceived neurological condition (I maintain the possibility of it being perceived inasmuch as I do not feel like succumbing to a quasi-ableist position whereby social expectations of neurological 'norms' alone define which particular differing patterns of brain function we consider 'deficient' or 'worthy' of being considered an condition, whilst socially expected neurological activity isn't given any such name, implying its 'normalcy'), whilst 'learning difficulty' is somewhat worse, insofar as it applies only to those who can be seen to struggle, or have 'difficulties,' when it comes to learning in the manner prevalent in our society. In a different learning environment (that is to say, a different cultural milieu), one which better suits the unique skills of people with 'learning difficulties,' these people can be seen to excel, and the group defined as having 'learning difficulties' would then be reconsidered. That is to say, the concept of a 'learning difficulty' is entirely socially constructed, as a means through which to tar and exclude those of differing abilities.

Dyslexia at least comes from some kind of medical standpoint, as a neurological condition which can, for example, be seen to develop after brain injuries, if these injuries change (though I will not say worsen, as this would be entirely false) the activity of the brain, whilst 'learning difficulty' reduces the entire issue to just claiming that they struggle to learn, itself a product of our cultural expectations of how people should best be taught. That is to say, it requires no neurological or physiological basis, merely a socially perceived 'difficulty' or 'inability.'

However, this whole issue is terribly off-topic, so I won't say any more on the topic...

(Oh, I now see that we appear to be discussing this whole issue, it's not just me...how about we get it split?)

It's already been resolved now.

And I'm not an expert on learning difficulties, sorry for assuming dyslexia was a learning difficulty.