Man receives 20 rounds during botched drug raid

[Hampton]

Cops Shoot 20 Times
By Herb Boyd

Mayhem and mishap again visited the NYPD last Friday during a bothced drug buy and bust routine that left the victom the target of 20 ROUNDS from four officers, eight of the bullets riddling his leg and torso.

According to the police, the undercover drug buy went awry at 120th Street and Malcolm X Blvd when the alleged dealer refused to give the undercover officer the crack cocaine he had purchased. After receiving $15 for three vials of crack, the dealer told the officer to go around the corner to get them.

A dispute arose when the officer balked. The dealer, the police reported, then reached into his waisband, and the officer, thinking he was pulling a gun, fired several shots from close range and then retreated behind a car and continued to discharge his gun, firing all 11 bullets from his Glock 9 pistol.

The officer's backup, known as a "ghost", listened to the dispute and hurried to the scene, along with two toher officers from the 25th precinct who happened to be passing by, and they joined in the shooting."THe uniformed officers, who happened to be one block away, heard the shots being fired" Police COmmissioner Ray Kelly told the press. "they responded. it's reported taht they see an individual with a gun turn toward them, they also fired"

No gun was found at the scene, nor were any drugs found on the victim, who was rushed to St. Lukes Hospital.

http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/...sID=33520&sID=4 (http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=33520&sID=4)

[Invader Zim]

The man actually ony received 8 rounds... kind of calls the NYPD shooting training into question.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Was it in NYC that someone was shot at 50 or 60 times by four cops, hit by a number of those and continued to be shot at after hitting the ground (a bullet entered through the bottom of his shoe!)... who was that? Was that NYC? When was this--I know it was recent...

The NYPD has been revealed a few times to be really trigger happy in recent years.

[Hampton]

They fired off 41 bullets at Diallo--19 ripped went through Amadou's body.


Amadou's spinal cord was severed quickly and he went down. The cops kept shooting. One of their bullets went up through the sole of Amadou's shoe, through his foot. That bullet hole in Amadou's shoe proves that he was down, while they were pumping him with lead.

http://rwor.org/a/v21/1040-049/1046/bronx.htm

[Discontinuity]

I can understand firing as he was reaching at first (cause he really might have had a gun). But to keep firing?

That's just bloody ridiculous.

[Hampton]

$%@^

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 03:47 PM
They fired off 41 bullets at Diallo--19 ripped went through Amadou's body.


Amadou's spinal cord was severed quickly and he went down. The cops kept shooting. One of their bullets went up through the sole of Amadou's shoe, through his foot. That bullet hole in Amadou's shoe proves that he was down, while they were pumping him with lead.

http://rwor.org/a/v21/1040-049/1046/bronx.htm
Yes, Diallo... that name came to mind, but I was not sure if he was the one who was shot 20 times or the guy the police tortured via sodomizing with a... baton, right? Who was the other man? That was an infamous recent case, as well...

About Diallo, I heard that one or more of the officers had to stop and reload, and then started shooting from a second clip. Is that Diallo? Maybe not...

[Hampton]

Yea, the dude with the broom was Abner Louima, those cops got off too. I think they would have reload to get 41 shots off, I mean it was only two undercover cops there. Only five days Diallo was shot on March 1, a squad of plainclothes cops barged into a building in the housing projects and chased Malcolm Ferguson down a hallway. One cop caught Malcolm and put a bullet in his left temple. The cop was so close that Malcolm's blood was all over his gun. Malcolm was unarmed.

There's so many cases and yet it still goes on and the cops never get convicted of murder.

Go figure.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Hampton,

Thanks for the info. You are really up on this stuff. I had not heard the story about Ferguson...

Who was the unarmed African-American in Cincinnati who got shot? He was unarmed, too, right? I heard a little about it because there was a boycott against travelling to the city... that has since been lifted, right?

By the way, this is quickly becoming the racist police brutality superthread. Every political forum needs one...

[the SovieT]

...

[the SovieT]

...

[the SovieT]

....

[Marxist in Nebraska]

good stuff, SovieT... the second one is too small, though... can you make it bigger or post a link to a bigger one?

[Hampton]

It think you're talking about Timothy Thomas 19-year old who was involved in a police chase. The cop who shot him got charged with two misdemeanor counts one which would be negligent homicide—punishable by six months in jail—and obstruction of official business—which carries a 90-day jail sentence. They say he had on baggy pants and was holding them up at the waist, which the cop thought he was reaching into his pants for a weapon.

This kid made 15 black males killed by the Cincinnati police since 1995.

So it's like a total of 9 months for a cop to kill an unarmed teenager but life and possible death when say for, Mumia, or anyone who either kills or they say kills a cop.

No justice.

http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=1314

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/.../cinc-m08.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/cinc-m08.shtml)

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=486

[suffianr]

Sheesh...Talk about overkill. Aren't cops supposed to be accountable for every single bullet they fire? In the armed forces, there's such a thing known as Negligent Disharge (ND), basically means loosing off a round unintentionally...I don't reckon cops work along the same lines now, do they? :angry:

[Hampton]

Well I know your avergae day citizen can be arrested for negligent discharge for a firearm. As in Santa Monica:


Each year, as part of the New Year’s Eve celebration, many individuals discharge their firearms into the air, not realizing the potential consequences of their actions. California Penal Code Section 246.3 prohibits negligent discharging of firearms. Any person who violates section 246.3 of the California Penal Code will have their firearm(s) confiscated and will be arrested for a felony crime. Shooters can and will be arrested and prosecuted for negligent discharge of a firearm, which is a felony and punishable by imprisonment in state prison. If arrested your bail will be $25,000.

http://santamonicapd.org/Press_Info/PressR...NewYearsEve.htm (http://santamonicapd.org/Press_Info/PressReleases/2002/PressRelease-20021226-NewYearsEve.htm)

In the case of Robert "Woody" Woodward of Bellows Falls, Vermont this 37 year old man ran into a church seeking help when police shot him at least six times as parishioners watched in horror. They filed suit against the police I guess or the town and one of the charges was charging the officers with negligent discharge of firearms and the town with negligence in its training and supervision of the police department.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 03:38 AM
It think you're talking about Timothy Thomas 19-year old who was involved in a police chase. The cop who shot him got charged with two misdemeanor counts one which would be negligent homicide—punishable by six months in jail—and obstruction of official business—which carries a 90-day jail sentence. They say he had on baggy pants and was holding them up at the waist, which the cop thought he was reaching into his pants for a weapon.

This kid made 15 black males killed by the Cincinnati police since 1995.

So it's like a total of 9 months for a cop to kill an unarmed teenager but life and possible death when say for, Mumia, or anyone who either kills or they say kills a cop.

No justice.

http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=1314

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/.../cinc-m08.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/cinc-m08.shtml)

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=486
Lt. Steven Roach shot at Timothy Thomas. The riots were a thing of beauty in some ways, except when the rioters got pissed and just pulled folks out of their cars and beat them up.

I fucking hate Cincinnati. I only live about 45 minutes south of it, and it sickens me. Its so culturally constipated and fucking conservative. That, and the Reds suck ass unfortunately

[Rastafari]

Oh, and Roach is now head of the police department in a white suburban neighborhood to the east of Cincinnati. he's a fucking hero over there.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 01:30 PM
Oh, and Roach is now head of the police department in a white suburban neighborhood to the east of Cincinnati. he's a fucking hero over there.
Kill an unarmed man, and you are a hero in suburban Ohio? That is seriously fucked up!

[Rastafari]

yeup. A hero to the conservative white peoples. Its probably still better than places like Detroit, though.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Why do you say that?

[Hampton]

I dunno if he's talking about Chief Benny Napoleon or not, but in Detroit police shot a deaf man holding a rake and they have a Shoot-To-Kill policy. Detroit police killings have won the city the distinction of the highest rate of murders by a police department in the U.S.

[Rastafari]

Another Cincinnati Police Brutality case.
Rev. Lynch agreed with the cops on this one, so we'll see what really was going on after the dust clears.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...d_in_custody_32 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20031203/ap_on_re_us/died_in_custody_32)








"Skipper was just a good old, fat jolly fella. He wasn't violent."

[Hampton]

I think I read in the paper the other day something that Al Sharpton said about the homicide that went like:
there are other ways of restraining people that dosen't make you beat them to death, or something like that which you would believe true mace or even an electroical shock thing that would be bad, but, better than being beaten to death.

[Rastafari]

apparently 2 or 3 of the cops involved were black as well, which makes me feel even worse about it.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Rasta,

I had heard there was only one African-American cop involved in the man's death...

[Rastafari]

your probably right. Media around here, though, will do anything to avoid more riots.

[praxis1966]

Hampton: Sharpton has the right idea. If I'm not mistaken, national park rangers often carry mace that will take down 2000 lb black bears. If that's the case, why can't they safely take down a 350 lb. black guy?

[dopediana]

http://www.bet.com/articles/0,,c1gb8172-9018,00.html

Cincinnati Leaders Say A Black Man's Life is Devalued in America
By Ed Wiley III, BET.com Staff Writer

Posted December 4, 2003 -- If Nathaniel Jones had been a black bear instead of a Black man, he'd still be alive today, an angry BET.com reader opined Wednesday, because the Cincinnati Police would have shot him with a tranquilizer gun, netted him and locked him up before returning him to his home.Advertisement


A bit exaggerated? Not so says the co-chair of the Coalition for a Just Cincinnati, an organization established in 2001 to address the rising deaths of Black men in police custody. In fact, he says, that reader's analysis is not only true but a matter of public record.

Livingston points to an incident last February when a cow escaped from a local meat-processing plant and wandered into a residential neighborhood. The cow became aggressive, occasionally charging passersby. When police arrived on the scene, they cordoned off the area for three days and eventually captured the errant bovine.

What happened next, says Livingston, would leave any rational human being to conclude that an animal's life is far more valuable to the city of Cincinnati than that of a Black man: "The mayor gave the cow the key to the city!"

"The Nathaniel Jones case begs the question, 'Why couldn't the police simply pull back?'" Livingston says. "They had called mental health professionals, so they were aware that the situation required careful attention."

Livingston spoke to BET.com following Wednesday's announcement by Hamilton County Coroner Carl L. Parrott that even though Nathaniel Jones was overweight, high on drugs and beset by high blood pressure, he'd still be alive if not for the beating he took from Cincinnati Police on Sunday.

"Absent the struggle, Mr. Jones would not have died at that moment in time, and the struggle there is the primary cause of death," Hamilton County Coroner Carl L. Parrott Jr. said at a news conference. Parrott noted, however, that his ruling of "homicide" should not be construed to imply wrongdoing or excessive force by police.

But Livingston, and a number of other Black religious, community and civil rights leaders in Cincinnati – who are calling for the recall of Mayor Charlie Luken and the firing of Police Chief Thomas Streicher – say that the significant point is that once again a Black male is dead because of police actions. What is inexcusable, they say, is that police pummeled and poked Jones with metal nightsticks nearly 40 times before the 350-pound, 41-year-old man eventually died.

At a gathering of angry residents Wednesday night, the Coalition for a Just Cincinnati, joined by other Black residents, passed out petitions to oust the duo. During the meeting, residents spoke about a city budget, half of which is allocated for police, fire and emergency services. Following the death of Lorenzo Collins in 1997 – a Black mental health patient who was shot and killed after being surrounded by 15 Cincinnati Police when he picked up a brick – citizens demanded rubber bullets, non-lethal bean bag shotguns, tasers, net guns and video cameras.

"What we discovered in the Jones incident," Livingston says, "is that there was no taser in the car, nor were the other agreed-upon measures available. The problem here is that the city does not have the will to change."

In an interview with BET.com earlier this week, Lt. Kurt Byrd of the Cincinnati Police Department acknowledged that the confrontation between Jones and officers did not begin with the widely broadcast images of the burly Black man lunging at police, swinging wildly.

Byrd told this writer that Jones became aggressive after having been maced by officers. Officers had a "short conversation" with Jones who in turn "mumbled derogatory remarks" and began moving slowly toward the officers, Byrd said. Officers then sprayed the chemical agent at Jones as they told him to back up, he said. When asked whether they had asked Jones to stand down before spraying the mace, Byrd said, they "maced him at the same time."

Family members say the fact that the 97 seconds – the portion showing what happened before Jones lunges at officers – is omitted from the tape reflects a pattern of deception and distorted facts common in such cases.

Jones, despite drug problems, was a gentle giant, according to his relatives, pastor and attorney.

Pointing to newly released footage from the White Castle restaurant where the incident occurred, attorney Kenneth Lawson notes that Jones, though perhaps intoxicated, does not appear angry or hostile.

"Jones was not in a hostile mood," Lawson told BET.com Thursday. "He didn't attack any customers or workers in White Castle! We see him dancing and stretching. What happened between the time we see him on the White Castle] and the time the police arrived. What was done to provoke him to become that angry in such a short period of time? These are the questions that must be answered."

Considering the drug use and Nathaniel Jones's lunge at officers, do you agree with the finding that officers killed him?

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 01:25 AM
Hampton: Sharpton has the right idea. If I'm not mistaken, national park rangers often carry mace that will take down 2000 lb black bears. If that's the case, why can't they safely take down a 350 lb. black guy?
maybe because the man was high on cocaine and PCP

[Moose]

the excuse police often give for being brutal is "adrenaline" such as after a long car chase when they rip a suspect out of a car and break his arm. but this...i cant believe that here. although shit if i were that cop id be so afriad id probably pull my gun too

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The fucking police is obviously racist and excessively brutal.
....bastards they are.
I hardly see how killing a man is excusable.... in any way.
The police have certainly failed in protecting the people and creating a safe enviroment with justice. They have instead become the murderers and have instilled fear in people with injustice and discrimination and brutality.

Why would they ever willingly opt for mace, rubber bullets, and other safe measures to execute their duty in a way that would be friendly to the people, when they can effectively terrorize and subjuagte the people with their weapons of killing.

so, I'm sorry to all african americans who live in fear of the police, i appologize.... for my race.

[Intifada]

talking about racist police, did anyone in britain see that undercover film that showed the british police force is institutionally racist?

it was disgusting

[Danish]

"The police" as a social institution are the means through which the ruling class controls the subordinate classes through coersion. They use them in conjuction with hegemonic control. In reference to the police, they disseminate the idea that the police are here to protect us. Clearly, they are only here to control us and take away our rights. Notice how members of the bourgeois are never prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, whereas poor black men almost never get off.

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 07:17 PM
Cops Shoot 20 Times
By Herb Boyd

Mayhem and mishap again visited the NYPD last Friday during a bothced drug buy and bust routine that left the victom the target of 20 ROUNDS from four officers, eight of the bullets riddling his leg and torso.

According to the police, the undercover drug buy went awry at 120th Street and Malcolm X Blvd when the alleged dealer refused to give the undercover officer the crack cocaine he had purchased. After receiving $15 for three vials of crack, the dealer told the officer to go around the corner to get them.

A dispute arose when the officer balked. The dealer, the police reported, then reached into his waisband, and the officer, thinking he was pulling a gun, fired several shots from close range and then retreated behind a car and continued to discharge his gun, firing all 11 bullets from his Glock 9 pistol.

The officer's backup, known as a "ghost", listened to the dispute and hurried to the scene, along with two toher officers from the 25th precinct who happened to be passing by, and they joined in the shooting."THe uniformed officers, who happened to be one block away, heard the shots being fired" Police COmmissioner Ray Kelly told the press. "they responded. it's reported taht they see an individual with a gun turn toward them, they also fired"

No gun was found at the scene, nor were any drugs found on the victim, who was rushed to St. Lukes Hospital.

http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/...sID=33520&sID=4 (http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=33520&sID=4)
New York will explode soon into a real unhypocritical riot. Too many unjust killings by cops on innocent people. Can't wait to see the direct democratic forces express their righteous anger.