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ÑóẊîöʼn
29th July 2011, 14:40
I was honestly shocked to find THIS (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14326514):


Scientists working on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), or ME, say they are being subjected to a campaign of vicious abuse and intimidation that is hampering research into the causes of the condition.

The harassment has included death threats, vilification on internet websites, and a series of official complaints alleging both personal and professional misconduct to universities, ethical oversight committees and the General Medical Council (GMC).

"It's direct intimidation in the sense of letters, emails, occasional phone calls and threats," says Professor Simon Wessely, of King's College London, who has received a series of death threats and threatening phone calls, and now has his mail routinely scanned for suspect devices.

"But more often indirect intimidation through my employer or the GMC. All of it intended to denigrate and try and make you into a leper."

Behind the vitriolic nature of the attacks, the core objection, by some activists, is the association of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome with mental illness.

They claim the real cause is biological and want research to focus exclusively on identifying the - as yet undiscovered - virus responsible.

"Sadly some of the motivation seems to come from people who believe that any connection with psychiatry is tantamount to saying there is nothing wrong with you, go away, you're not really ill," says Dr Wessely.

"That's profoundly misguided. They fall victim to the label, and believe that the mere involvement of psychiatry denigrates them and denigrates the condition."

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a debilitating condition involving severe fatigue, painful muscles and joints, gastric complaints and poor memory and concentration. It is estimated there may be as many as a quarter of a million sufferers across the UK, but exactly what causes it is still a mystery.

That has been incredibly frustrating for patients who have often received short-shrift from doctors, and been branded as malingerers - the victims of "yuppy flu" - in the media. Even the existence of the condition has only recently received widespread acknowledgement by the medical establishment.

Speaking on the programme on Friday, ME Association's Dr Charles Shepherd condemned the abuse of researchers, but said sufferers had a justifiable complaint that almost no government-funded research was looking at the bio-medical aspects of the illness.

"The anger, the frustration, is the fact that all this effort, all this government-funding, has just been going to the psychological side," he said.

Hostility towards a psychiatric explanation for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome reached a peak in 2009 when research published in the journal Science appeared to show a link to the XMRV retrovirus.

But a series of follow-up studies failed to replicate the finding, unleashing another torrent of abuse - this time aimed at virologists, including Professor Myra McClure, of Imperial College, London.

"It really was quite staggeringly shocking, and this was all from patients who seemed to think that I had some vested interest in not finding this virus," she said. "I couldn't understand, and still can't to this day, what the logic of that was. Any virologist wants to find a new virus."

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or ME (Myalgic Encephalopathy)is a debilitating condition involving severe fatigue, painful muscles and joints, gastric complaints and poor memory and concentration.

- It can leave patients bed-ridden in severe cases.

- Up to a quarter of a million people suffer from the disorder in the UK.

Professor McClure says she will not be doing any further research in this area, and that may be the single most important consequence of this campaign of abuse and intimidation.

According to the Wellcome Trust's Dr Mark Walport it would be a tragedy if serious researchers are put off working on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

"We clearly don't yet understand exactly what's going on, and if we're going to find out it needs good scientists to work on it," he says.

"But why would any scientist work on it if they know that all they're going to receive is a torrent of abuse?"

Apoi_Viitor
29th July 2011, 14:56
I've had chronic fatigue for 4-5 years now and it absolutely sucks. I'm tired of being exhausted all the time and I'm sick of people telling me that all I need to do is "try harder" to concentrate and stay awake.

Sasha
29th July 2011, 16:21
reminds me of the whole ACTUP-SF drama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power#Factionalism_in_Sa n_Francisco).
much needed patient activism going of the tracks by emotional escalation that actual start hurting the scientists doing their best to help them

CFSboy
31st July 2011, 03:24
Heard the story about the child psychiatrists treating a young teenage girl for ME, at Great Ormond Street Hospital, London in the '90s, as featured on 'Panorama'? It was all in her mind they said. Throw her out of her wheelchair and into a swimming pool and she will be able to swim! She didn't. She went straight to the bottom of the pool and nearly died. The unit at Great Ormond Street closed not long after.

Hear about the girl in her twenties last year or the year before in the national news who died from ME? They couldn't find anything physically wrong with her so she couldn't have been physically ill... except she is dead.

The Dept of Health and the World Health Organisation recognise ME/CFS as a PHYSICAL illness.

The shrinks who have control of the Medical Research Council are blocking almost all research into physical causes of ME. These are the people who are passive aggressively casting themselves as 'Victims' and denouncing and smearing the real victims of this situation.

Shame on the BBC for swallowing their propaganda and not producing a balanced article.

ÑóẊîöʼn
31st July 2011, 04:59
Heard the story about the child psychiatrists treating a young teenage girl for ME, at Great Ormond Street Hospital, London in the '90s, as featured on 'Panorama'? It was all in her mind they said. Throw her out of her wheelchair and into a swimming pool and she will be able to swim! She didn't. She went straight to the bottom of the pool and nearly died. The unit at Great Ormond Street closed not long after.

Hear about the girl in her twenties last year or the year before in the national news who died from ME? They couldn't find anything physically wrong with her so she couldn't have been physically ill... except she is dead.

Even if I accept these stories as true, how does that justify threatening the very scientists working on the problem?


The Dept of Health and the World Health Organisation recognise ME/CFS as a PHYSICAL illness.

So what? The etiology of the condition is an unknown, and the CDC says there's no diagnostic laboratory test or biomarker (http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/general/diagnosis/index.html) for CFS.


The shrinks who have control of the Medical Research Council are blocking almost all research into physical causes of ME. These are the people who are passive aggressively casting themselves as 'Victims' and denouncing and smearing the real victims of this situation.

We have it on record that at least one scientist has stopped working on the condition due to threats. You've not provided any evidence that the MRC is prejudiced against the possibility of a physical cause for CFS.


Shame on the BBC for swallowing their propaganda and not producing a balanced article.

Why are you so insistent that it has a solely physical cause despite a lack of evidence either way?

OhYesIdid
31st July 2011, 05:06
I've always said that the only proper occupations for a human being are science and art, and I'm not so sure about art. Scientists are the best, and they deserve better than this. So much for capitalism being the cause of all progress.

ianz
2nd August 2011, 18:54
I've always said that the only proper occupations for a human being are science and art, and I'm not so sure about art. Scientists are the best, and they deserve better than this. So much for capitalism being the cause of all progress.

You're going to need labor to implement the plans scientists come up with. It's quite foolish to claim that science is the only field in which a human can obtain a "proper" occupation and it dismisses the millions of human beings which did not even know what science is and yet enabled your very existence today.

OhYesIdid
3rd August 2011, 23:33
You're going to need labor to implement the plans scientists come up with. It's quite foolish to claim that science is the only field in which a human can obtain a "proper" occupation and it dismisses the millions of human beings which did not even know what science is and yet enabled your very existence today.

I didn't mean to say they're less than scientists, but you can't say those jobs aren't demaning and unworthy of our great potential.

ianz
5th August 2011, 14:59
I didn't mean to say they're less than scientists, but you can't say those jobs aren't demaning and unworthy of our great potential.

Yes I can. The "proper" jobs as you refer to them literally could not exist without the support of a gigantic network of "demeaning" jobs. I think you tread into dangerous territory when you start delineating jobs based on whether they are worthy of our potential or not. Would you care to explain what kinds of jobs you feel are worthy and why you choose to make the distinction there?

ÑóẊîöʼn
5th August 2011, 17:01
Yes I can. The "proper" jobs as you refer to them literally could not exist without the support of a gigantic network of "demeaning" jobs. I think you tread into dangerous territory when you start delineating jobs based on whether they are worthy of our potential or not. Would you care to explain what kinds of jobs you feel are worthy and why you choose to make the distinction there?

How is it "dangerous"? He's talking about the jobs themselves, not the people doing them.

Mather
18th August 2011, 02:56
How is it "dangerous"? He's talking about the jobs themselves, not the people doing them.


I know and he/she is still talking bullshit.

ÑóẊîöʼn
18th August 2011, 03:09
I know and he is still talking bullshit.

But you have to admit that there are currently certain jobs that only exist because of the demands of capitalism, yes? And that not all of those jobs are pleasant or at the very least bearable?

Mather
18th August 2011, 03:28
But you have to admit that there are currently certain jobs that only exist because of the demands of capitalism, yes?


But that was not the point he/she seemed to be making. He/she simply stated this:



I've always said that the only proper occupations for a human being are science and art, and I'm not so sure about art.


There are many jobs that are "proper occupations", not just in the field of science. That is not to say that science is not worthy or a "proper occupation", it is, just that is not the only job to consider worthy and fit for humans to do.



And that not all of those jobs are pleasant or at the very least bearable?


Again, we all know this due to the conditions of capitalism (alienation, exploitation, control/oppression of labour etc) but these negatives will disappear when capitalism does.

Given that the greatest benefit communism has to offer us is general human freedom (in addition to the point above), it will be down to the worker in any given occupation to deem whether his/her occupation is worthy.

So I will stand by what I said in that he/she is talking bullshit.