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JustMovement
28th July 2011, 18:20
So far Ive heard all of these things referred to ass petty-b.:
fascists (that one goes way back), anarchists (middle class lifestylsists vegans that like to dress in black), left communists (also known to be referred to as an "infantile disorder"), trotskyists (students and paper vendors), maoists (block of four classes), and thirdworldists.
What other contributions have small business owners made to our political vocabulary?
Manic Impressive
28th July 2011, 18:47
Hippys
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white people with dreads
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All white people
scarletghoul
28th July 2011, 19:43
this is actually a very interesting point and i dont know why you posted it in chit chat
petty bourgeoisie certainly has the most variety of political ideologies and movements coming from it or basing themselves in it. but i would not call them the most creative. the reason for this variety is that they generally search desparately for a way to counter some the bad effects of capitalism and its politics (which they will feel, being not extremely well off) but are not willing to confront the underlying economic system (because obviously their subjectivity is based on capitalist business). This leads them to all sorts of crazy political ideas, from nationalist authoritarianism (fascism) to simple assertions of universal rights and freedom (anarchism, libertarianism, of both kinds) to romanticisation of the ideals of communism but an unwillingness to embrace its practical implications (trotskyism) to an idiotic mix of snobbery towards their local working class and a racist fetishisation of the third world (thirdworldism) to stupid liberalism, social democracy , etc etc
So yeah. thats why. it is their very lack of creativity (unwillingness to radically confront the economic system itself) that condemns them to an endless pseudo-creativity which spawns the ideologies listed above and more
historically the petty bourgeoisie occupies a position at the dawn of capitalism, where it is still somewhat progresses and promising of freedom. this obviously outdated, so the ideals of this class are completely incompatible with their economic situation. as long as they cling to both these things they will keep coming up with crazy and stupid ideas
Angry Young Man
28th July 2011, 20:42
It depends what you mean by petit bourgeoisie. If you mean the wealthier section of the working class, then yes, they can go either way. As for small business owners, some will realise that their business is more under threat by capitalism than socialism. I know a Marxist runs a record shop. Unfortunately, most don't.
La Comédie Noire
28th July 2011, 21:09
I thought it was just a slur word white intellectuals throw at other white intellectuals who threaten their own sense of intellectual superiority?
L.A.P.
31st July 2011, 22:16
We're (petty bourgeois teenagers) ridiculous, I know.
Susurrus
31st July 2011, 22:28
Its every tendency but your own.
Apoi_Viitor
31st July 2011, 22:55
The political programs characteristic of these three stages -- JACOBINISM [left wing of petty bourgeois forces in Great French Revolution; in most revolutionary phase, led by Robespierre], reformist DEMOCRACY (social democracy included), and FASCISM -- are basically programs of petty bourgeois currents. This fact alone, more than anything else, shows of what tremendous -- rather, of what decisive -- importance the self-determination of the petty bourgeois masses of the people is for the whole fate of bourgeois society. - Leon Trotsky
NoOneIsIllegal
1st August 2011, 00:31
All anarchists are middle-class, but not all middle-class are anarchists.
:lol:
Susurrus
1st August 2011, 02:27
Communists have no class(PUN LAWL)
ckaihatsu
1st August 2011, 03:58
Communists have no class(PUN LAWL)
I supported the idea of a classless society until I found out what it really meant!
: )
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Os Cangaceiros
2nd August 2011, 03:41
this is actually a very interesting point and i dont know why you posted it in chit chat
petty bourgeoisie certainly has the most variety of political ideologies and movements coming from it or basing themselves in it. but i would not call them the most creative. the reason for this variety is that they generally search desparately for a way to counter some the bad effects of capitalism and its politics (which they will feel, being not extremely well off) but are not willing to confront the underlying economic system (because obviously their subjectivity is based on capitalist business). This leads them to all sorts of crazy political ideas, from nationalist authoritarianism (fascism) to simple assertions of universal rights and freedom (anarchism, libertarianism, of both kinds) to romanticisation of the ideals of communism but an unwillingness to embrace its practical implications (trotskyism) to an idiotic mix of snobbery towards their local working class and a racist fetishisation of the third world (thirdworldism) to stupid liberalism, social democracy , etc etc
So yeah. thats why. it is their very lack of creativity (unwillingness to radically confront the economic system itself) that condemns them to an endless pseudo-creativity which spawns the ideologies listed above and more
historically the petty bourgeoisie occupies a position at the dawn of capitalism, where it is still somewhat progresses and promising of freedom. this obviously outdated, so the ideals of this class are completely incompatible with their economic situation. as long as they cling to both these things they will keep coming up with crazy and stupid ideas
I have a simpler explanation:
"Petty bourgeois" ideology manifests itself in so many colorful ways because rival communists find it to be a convienent label for their opponents.
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