What are your views?

[Pilkington]

I'd be interested to know in general what people's views here are, on various things. And are you all united by any views on anything in particular?

[Bardo]

I'm pretty sure most of us here are anti-capitalist.

[pax et aequalitas]

Not really. We are all revolutionary leftists, but that's it. The people here range from Stalinists to Anarchists. Some see terrorism as a valid tactic, some oppose all violence.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Cookies and cream is my favorite ice cream.

[Pilkington]

I'm pretty sure most of us here are anti-capitalist.

Forgive my ignorance but what exactly does that mean?

[∞]

∞ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=28130)ism.

Its the most practical and wonderful form of socialism ever.

[CommunityBeliever]

We are all progressives in that we believe in technological progress and social progress (towards communism).

And we are all revolutionary in that we understand the necessity of immediately overthrowing this corrupt system.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Many of us like the color blue. I for one am a huge fan of chocolate.

Capitalism isa a society based on the rule of capital. Why do you work? Essentially, ultimately its to make rich people richer. This is not the way t should be but its the way it is. Under capitalism the productive powers of humanity are subordinated to the needs of a small group of people to make a profit off our labor. There are zillions of contradictions flowing from this. Some of these are the fact that technology, in some areas is becoming increasingly advanced, yet people have to work 60/70 hours a week to keep their house. Another contradiction is that in a world where there are close to 7 billion people, a third in almost abject poverty, and the pundits seriously talk about a "demographic crisis', the idea that there aren't enough people to perform needed work. (which is an insane view)


This is the tip of thje iceberg, as they say.

[Tommy4ever]

Forgive my ignorance but what exactly does that mean?

We all desire the overthrow of capitalism. From there our views tend to diverge.

[thesadmafioso]

We are all revolutionary leftists, I guess. Well, those not regulated to the gulag of Opposing ideologies that is.

But from just that you can derive a good bit of agreement, in that we are opposed to capitalism, fascism, sexism, rascism, ect.

If you get to the most basic theory of our aims though, I think that most all of us support the creation of a society without class. Most of our disagreement is over the matter of just how to do that.

[miltonwasfried...man]

We are united by a common enemy (capitalism) and a common goal (communism). The paths we believe will best get us there differ from anarchy to authoritarian.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Many of us like the color blue. I for one am a huge fan of chocolate.

Capitalism isa a society based on the rule of capital. Why do you work? Essentially, ultimately its to make rich people richer. This is not the way t should be but its the way it is. Under capitalism the productive powers of humanity are subordinated to the needs of a small group of people to make a profit off our labor. There are zillions of contradictions flowing from this. Some of these are the fact that technology, in some areas is becoming increasingly advanced, yet people have to work 60/70 hours a week to keep their house. Another contradiction is that in a world where there are close to 7 billion people, a third in almost abject poverty, and the pundits seriously talk about a "demographic crisis', the idea that there aren't enough people to perform needed work. (which is an insane view)


This is the tip of thje iceberg, as they say.
I looooove chocolate, but blue is only next in line after pink and purple for me.
I think most of us breathe oxygen. I like tomatoes.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

We are all progressives in that we believe in technological progress and social progress (towards communism).

And we are all revolutionary in that we understand the necessity of immediately overthrowing this corrupt system.
Not all of us... I'm a flower.

[∞]

See what great about ∞ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=28130)ists is that we believe people who kill 70 innocent Norwegians deserve to get executed. Unlike those "real communists" like #FF0000.

[Pilkington]

Again, sorry for my ignorance, but what is communism and what is its appeal? Can anyone illustrate what a communist society would look like?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Maybe this is a bit narcissistic, but as for why we like communism and chocolate and the color blue, please read post #8.

As far as as what a communist society would be like, its a society ruled by people, human needs, instead of the needs of capital to reproduce itself.

Of course, if you're thinking about my need to reproduce myself, well that's a whole different matter. I like guys who are angry about injustice in the world, hate oppression, and want to change things.

[The Idler]

A stateless, classless, wageless society of free access with production for use not profit.

[Pilkington]

Ok what would happen in a communist society if I owned a company, say a car factory, and had employees (which I obviously would of course). What would be different?

[Susurrus]

We all know how to use a computer and have internet access.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Again, sorry for my ignorance, but what is communism and what is its appeal? Can anyone illustrate what a communist society would look like? We could probably achieve a 10 hour work week through communism.
Which would be nice.

[Pilkington]

We all know how to use a computer and have internet access.

I don't get what you mean. We would have that also under a communist system, right?

[Impulse97]

I like to collect coins and learn foreign languages.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

Start here broseph^^^

[Lenina Rosenweg]

We all know how to use a computer and have internet access.

and that's something, anyway.

Pilkington, what is your favorite color? What type if ice cream do you like? Can you please explain why you feel this way?

[hatzel]

Of course, if you're thinking about my need to reproduce myself, well that's a whole different matter. I like guys who are angry about injustice in the world, hate oppression, and want to change things.

Look no further, here I am! :cool:


See what great about ∞ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=28130)ists is that we believe people who kill 70 innocent Norwegians deserve to get executed. Unlike those "real communists" like #FF0000.

It is my understanding that this thread isn't a place to indulge in random personal attacks on other members...I may be wrong, but as far as I can tell, it's for something slightly different...

[∞]

It is my understanding that this thread isn't a place to indulge in random personal attacks on other members...I may be wrong, but as far as I can tell, it's for something slightly different...

How is anything I said an insult? He said if "you picked the first two (on a the Norway poll), then you're not a communist". So I created my own tendency.

[BostonCharlie]

I like chocolate also, but the capitalists have put the price of it up so damn high that I rarely indulge anymore. Bastards.

[Weezer]

I think Michael Jackson is probably alive.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Of course, if you're thinking about my need to reproduce myself, well that's a whole different matter. I like guys who are angry about injustice in the world, hate oppression, and want to change things.
I like guys that make total destroy and women who drive Harley Davidsons.

[Sixiang]

Cookies and cream is my favorite ice cream.

I'm a fan of mint chocolate chip myself.

[∞]

I'm a fan of mint chocolate chip myself.

^^This:cool::cool:

[Libertador]

I'm an Anarchist but I'm still working on the finer details of what make sense to me. (Does syndicalism make sense to me? Does Anarcho-Communsim make sense?)


I'm a fan of mint chocolate chip myself.Greatest ice cream ever.

[Ostrinski]

Ok what would happen in a communist society if I owned a company, say a car factory, and had employees (which I obviously would of course). What would be different?Oh boy.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Ok what would happen in a communist society if I owned a company, say a car factory, and had employees (which I obviously would of course). What would be different?

You wouldn't be able to. That's the short and only answer; the premise of your question is contradictory and nonsensical and can therefore not be taken seriously.

[miltonwasfried...man]

Ok what would happen in a communist society if I owned a company, say a car factory, and had employees (which I obviously would of course). What would be different?

It's great if you want to learn but at least have the decency to look up "Communism" on wikipedia or something. In a Communist society you would not own a car factory, or any sort of factory for that matter. The community would own the factory and means of production. There is no ruling class or capitalist bloodsuckers in Communism. Communism = stateless and classless.

[∞]

I like guys that make total destroy and women who drive Harley Davidsons.

Harley Davidsons are the most obnoxious POS to ever exist.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Harley Davidsons are the most obnoxious POS to ever exist.
Fuck you I'm from Milwaukee!

[Metacomet]

Harley Davidsons are the most obnoxious POS to ever exist.


Seconded. Japanese bikes FTW. And no, I don't just mean crotch rockets either.

Or British Bikes. Or American bikes that aren't Harley noise machines that don't fall apart as you ride.

[Le Socialiste]

I'm a fan of mint chocolate chip myself.

How has nobody mentioned cheesecake yet?! :drool:

Seriously, cheesecake kicks ice cream's ass. It's no contest. :D

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

How has nobody mentioned cheesecake yet?! :drool:

Seriously, cheesecake kicks ice cream's ass. It's no contest. :D
Me and Sarah McLachlan should kick your ass!

[Libertador]

http://www.affluentpageluxuryindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/brough-superior-ss100.jpg
I would make love to this if I could.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I like biker dykes! does it make sense now?

[∞]

I find the term "dyke" offensive.

I find biker-women unattractive considering they are considered property by bike-gangs.
Those of whom are not, I generally find unattractive because they're loud and smell like tobacco.

Now women who race Japanese etc. motorcycles are very "hot" imo.

Those are my views on whether or not I'm attracted to women who ride bikes.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I find the term "dyke" offensive.

I find biker-women unattractive considering they are considered property by bike-gangs.
Those of whom are not, I generally find unattractive because they're loud and smell like tobacco.

Now women who race Japanese etc. motorcycles are very "hot" imo.

Those are my views on whether or not I'm attracted to women who ride bikes.
Dykes On Bikes (http://www.dykesonbikes.org/)

Two of my close friends are from dykes on bikes. I am a bisexual woman. Most of my ex gfs happily and proudly proclaim themselves dykes as they are full on lesbians. I enjoy going to my favorite dyke bars here in Milwaukee. From how you're talking I'm willing to guess you are likely a heterosexual male who is being offensive, patronizing and condescending.

[∞]

nvm then...

And I'm actually a homosexual female. LOLUWRONG.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

nvm then...

And I'm actually a homosexual female. LOLUWRONG.
I stand corrected on that. But I don't see dyke as an offensive term as I state on behalf of my ex gf who self proclaimed words like dyke and butch.

[∞]

I guess how its been used on me maybe.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I guess how its been used on me maybe.
Huh? that sentence made no sense...

[∞]

Huh? that sentence made no sense...

Like once I overheard these guys talk about me

"_____, is pretty cute you should go out with her," (he said some objectionable things about me afterward).

and he replied

"No shes a cold, heartless dyke,"

I didn't like the idea that I'm being viewed as just a dyke than a human being. He could've easily said, "She dates women," or "She is Lesbian,".

[hatzel]

I'm actually a homosexual female

You'd best update your profile, then...

...alternatively you could just stop running around being a big ol' troll and instead make some substantial posts...jus' sayin'...

[∞]

You'd best update your profile, then...

...alternatively you could just stop running around being a big ol' troll and instead make some substantial posts...jus' sayin'...

Theres a reason I set it to male. I wanted people to assume I was. I feel like females get treated differently on the internets. And if you are trying to find substantial posts on RL you're not in good luck considering 98% of the topics discussed on this forum have been discussed before. Don't assume I'm a troll. The trolls here are pretty obvious.

[Pilkington]

It's great if you want to learn but at least have the decency to look up "Communism" on wikipedia or something. In a Communist society you would not own a car factory, or any sort of factory for that matter. The community would own the factory and means of production. There is no ruling class or capitalist bloodsuckers in Communism. Communism = stateless and classless.

Sounds good. So there would be no ownership of property, land, none of that, I take it. One downside with that though, unless I'm mistaken, is that when it comes to selling a factory or piece of land or whatever, who would make the decision to sell? Wouldn't you need a certain degree of clarity as to how things are to proceed?

[Black Sheep]

The derailment of this thread has to be a world record.

[Thirsty Crow]

Sounds good. So there would be no ownership of property, land, none of that, I take it. One downside with that though, unless I'm mistaken, is that when it comes to selling a factory or piece of land or whatever, who would make the decision to sell? Wouldn't you need a certain degree of clarity as to how things are to proceed?
It just seems that this thread might be ready to move on from discussing a user's gender, icecream/cheesecake and bikes to what is supposed to be.

In a communist society, there could be no selling since ownership, individual and class ownership, would be abolished. This is predicated upon the abolition of money as the universal measn of commodity exchange. This is what money is, and without the capitalist relations of production, meaning without work for a wage and profit, the need for money also disappears.
If people do not produce commodities, meaning items for sale on a market, but rather useful products for immediate appropriation and consumption, there could be no capitalists and wage workers, and there could be no selling and buying since money would also be unnecessary.

Now, of course you would need a certain degree of clarity when deciding if producing certain products is necessary and desirable. My view is that the whole of the immediate producers would participate in planning, in one way or another, in the form of territorial councils (basically "town councils" gathering every single inhabitant of an area, including the elderly, the disabled and so on; the point is not to have everybody attending every single meeting, but to create a political institutional network which enables everyone willing to participate in the decision making process) and workers' councils, which would deal with matters of immediate production process and some aspects of planning.

I'd suggest that you check out "participatory economics" on wikipedia. It's not an idea which can be immediately claimed as my own, but I think there's much merit to it and that it is worth checking out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics

[Tomhet]

I really dig Madvillian..

[Ostrinski]

I really dig Madvillian..
Rhinestone Cowboy, yo.

[Hit The North]

I'm sending this thread to Non-political.

[Thirsty Crow]

I'm sending this thread to Non-political.
Why? Because most of the posters decided it's a troll thread, and that it hasn't got any potential of discussing basic issues which are unknown to OP (this being the point of learning, I presume)?
Why not sending it to OI learning instead?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Does syndicalism make sense to me? Does Anarcho-Communsim make sense?
No, Rocker and Kropotkin were trolling. They hated cookies and cream ice cream too.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

And I'm actually a homosexual female.
I'm lurking the wrong person on Facebook then.
wait, wut

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Like once I overheard these guys talk about me

"_____, is pretty cute you should go out with her," (he said some objectionable things about me afterward).

and he replied

"No shes a cold, heartless dyke,"

I didn't like the idea that I'm being viewed as just a dyke than a human being. He could've easily said, "She dates women," or "She is Lesbian,".
I'm sorry to hear that. I guess you view the word dyke like I view the word freak. I don't get called "freak" anymore. People just assume I'm a straight girl these days.

[praxis1966]

I politely request further responses to this thread be in direct address to the OP's questions. Further trolling/spam posting will result in administrative action.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

In a nutshell;this forum is for revolutionary leftists. RL are people who dislike the rule of capital and a tiny elite who owns capital, over our lives. We differ from liberals and social democrats in the need for revolution, that is, we think outside the bourgeois framework offered to us.We don't support any of the mainstream parties of the "left" and right, the Democratic, Republican, New Labor, Conservative, liberal, or Social Democratic parties, all of which are solidly linked to the ruling class and do not threaten the system.

We oppose neo-liberalism and the austerity currently being undemocratically imposed on us. We see this as squeezing the working class for the benefit of bankers.

Most of us believe in an independent political role for the working class. We oppose wars by nation states including "liberal interventionism"

We strongly oppose racism and sexism and most of us oppose homophobia and transphobia.

As far as whether you could manage a factory in a communist society, you couldn't unless you were elected to that role by a worker's council. Again we do not believe in rule by corporations or corporate wealth. Many of us do not believe in managers at all but in worker's democracy.

Some of us, while enjoying cheesecake, greatly prefer chocolate ice cream.

In the third year of Soviet rule, no one will chew bubble gum.

If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.

[praxis1966]

This is true. I just thought we were talking ice cream.

This post constitutes a verbal warning to patbuck for spam/off-topic posting.

[Pilkington]

I politely request further responses to this thread be in direct address to the OP's questions. Further trolling/spam posting will result in administrative action.

Indeed. It looks like the comrades are getting restless. Is that revolution in the air that I smell? No. Definitely not revolution, trust me.

[Nox]

We are united by a common enemy (capitalism) and a common goal (communism). The paths we believe will best get us there differ from anarchy to authoritarian.

I don't think I've ever heard anybody sum up the communist community as well as that before :thumbup:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

We are united by a common enemy (capitalism) and a common goal (communism). The paths we believe will best get us there differ from anarchy to authoritarian.
I don't have goals. I don't want to change the world because I know I'd fail.

[Lyev]

Theres a reason I set it to male. I wanted people to assume I was. I feel like females get treated differently on the internets. And if you are trying to find substantial posts on RL you're not in good luck considering 98% of the topics discussed on this forum have been discussed before. Don't assume I'm a troll. The trolls here are pretty obvious.LOL are you kidding? I know that you're male; you're in my facebook. I've seen you with a beard and everything :lol:

[maskerade]

I don't have goals. I don't want to change the world because I know I'd fail.

then why are you here?

[Impulse97]

then why are you here?


Perhaps, because she knows that she may not succeed alone, but will with the help of her Comrades. :lol:

[∞]

LOL are you kidding? I know that you're male; you're in my facebook. I've seen you with a beard and everything :lol:

Tvm Arch, way to ruin everything.

[praxis1966]

OP turned out to be a troll... Making this a troll thread. Sorry folks, thread closed.