Is it me, or does Hard Rock music suck right now?

[L.A.P.]

I've kind of noticed that hard rock forms of music have been going through a stagnant period right now, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something here.

As far as what's popular with my peers to soothe their teenage angst. These are some of the bands that they like to constantly where shirts of.......

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Is this shit not incredibly ridiculous? Obviously this is the result of the melodic metalcore and emo/screamo/post-hardcore that was popular for a while in 2008-2010 when the former and latter started to dabble in combination.

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It seems like heavy metal, hard rock, and hardcore punk is dominated by this shit and washed-up bands trying to restart their careers. Is this what has become of rock shifting it's focus to the teenage-angst of young males? Don't get me wrong, I have my fair share of listening to certain bands for teenage-angst such as nu metal and grunge. But I was never into what was popular at the height of my heavy metal interest, which was melodic metalcore bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, and As I Lay Dying. I was pretty much into everything else, even nu metal. As far as popular metal goes, it sucks right now but I'm not even hearing about anything underground that's interesting. So am I missing out on something here?

[Welshy]

Yeah a lot of rock music today is just horribly bland. I also find the lyrics to be rather stupid. But yeah when it comes to metal the underground stuff is better or at least the stuff that isn't that "popular". I personally prefer progressive metal/rock, black metal, and folk metal. If you are interested in any of these I can give suggestions or get suggestions from my more knowledgeable friends.

[Fawkes]

Rock music has been around for 60 years. It's getting harder and harder for bands to create something with mainstream appeal that falls within the parameters of rock music and is still innovative and new. In short:
1. Search further than in the American mainstream
2. Don't restrict yourself to just hard rock or even rock in general or you will inevitably get bored.

[Le Socialiste]

There are a few hard rock bands out there that are fairly good, albeit a tad unoriginal. Have you heard of The Parlor Mob? They're pretty good:

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Another band that would fall in this category would be Airbourne (although they're a little too AC/DC at times):

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Here a couple others:

Black Mountain

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Also, someone just started a thread about a band called Blood Ceremony. They're not bad, a bit of a mix between Black Sabbath and Jethro Tull. Check it out when you can.

[Proukunin]

actually the bands you posted are part of a 2000's scene called post hardcore. Hard rock music nowadays is way more complex and has just as much talent as it did in the 70's.

Bands like The Sword, Avenged Sevenfold, Alter Bridge and Mastodon are just a few that a big acts that do not in any way whether you like the music or not..suck.

[Proukunin]

alongside The Black Keys(blues rock) and Wolfmother are more big acts that are very talented and yes, it isn't wise to just restrict yourself to mainstream music. Independent music can be just as moving and talented.

[Aloysius]

That's why I listen to '90s emo revival, mathcore, and whatever this shit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_NjDZWmGM) is.
Also: The Pipettes.

[Tim Finnegan]

There's a lot of really good sludge stuff coming out at the moment. You've probably encountered Mastodon before, and if you like them you should check out Zoroaster, Baronness and Kylesa. They all push the style further in a psychedelic/progressive direction.

[Le Socialiste]

You won't find most good music in the mainstream - sometimes you have to dig a little deeper. More often than not it's worth it. I'd also recommend looking beyond the rock genre for your musical needs. While it's a great genre, there's so much more out there. That's assuming you only listen to rock, of course.

[L.A.P.]

I listen to some Mastadon, Avenged Sevenfold, Wolfmother, and several other pretty good/great bands you guys have mentioned. Of course there is always some band out there that's good but it seems that hard rock is going through a horribly stagnant period, there's nothing new coming out to compel me like there is in hip-hop and electronic music right now. The only interesting recommendations there seems to be are older underground bands but even the underground right now just seems like up-and-coming versions of these shitty melodramatic metalcore/post-hardcore/screamo bands that have dominated the contemporary heavy metal community. It just seems like hard rock, especially heavy metal, is falling behind during this revitalization of great music coming out of hip-hop, electronic, etc. I think this shows that maybe for the first time, rock is no longer the dominant form of music. Please prove me wrong, maybe there is an awesome new group of underground metal bands I'm completely oblivious to.

[L.A.P.]

1. Search further than in the American mainstream

Well of course, but this is my issue. First of all, it's hard to even tell the difference between mainstream and underground rock anymore because the mainstream seems so obscure and gets little play if any so I'm completely out-of-touch with underground metal/rock. Also, the underground bands i've been hearing about are even shittier versions of the bands I've posted examples of.


2. Don't restrict yourself to just hard rock or even rock in general or you will inevitably get bored.

Not only have I not restricted myself to rock but I've completely abandoned it for a year. You can tell as most of what I post on this forum is in regards to hip-hop and dubstep, I haven't listened to a single rock song for a good year now. It's gotten so bad that I don't even know how to play the guitar anymore and when I return to see what's been going on in rock I get the that melodramatic shit. I'm just a bit freaked out, last time I checked everyone was still raving about Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, As I Lay Dying, Bring Me the Horizon, etc.

[Apoi_Viitor]

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[Welshy]

Here's some of the stuff I listen to that I kinda referenced in my first post.

progressive metal
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Black Metal

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This band has some of my favorite female black metal vocals.

[L.A.P.]

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I'm a big fan of Faith No More.

[Meridian]

There's a tendency to de-politicize and even de-seriousness...ize... music as companies realize there are new genres they can profit from.

So music genres tend to start rather small, yet vast in ambition and "heavy" or "serious" in theme, though as it becomes more popular comes corporate interest. When that happens, the musical ambition is exchanged for economical ambition and themes become much more sponsor friendly and marketable.

There are some interesting developments in musical genres though. Most explicitly, trve kvlt svrf black metal comes to mind: :lol:
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[Tomhet]

actually the bands you posted are part of a 2000's scene called post hardcore. Hard rock music nowadays is way more complex and has just as much talent as it did in the 70's.

Bands like The Sword, Avenged Sevenfold, Alter Bridge and Mastodon are just a few that a big acts that do not in any way whether you like the music or not..suck.

You've GOT to be kidding me!
how can you lump an original, highly coherant, and creative band like mastodon in with trash like a7x, alter bridge, and the sword?
I think you're gonna get frustrated if you just listen to just hard rock or whatever, I mean, some of the best extreme metal, rap/hip hop, and electronica artists were very active over the last decade..

[CommieTroll]

To me the rock movement or ''whats popular'' has been hijacked by emos and that heavy metal screamo shit

[Fawkes]

To me the rock movement or ''whats popular'' has been hijacked by emos and that heavy metal screamo shit

Yeah, pg. 99 and Orchid, totally heavy metal bro. And yeah, Jimmy Eat World, that's emo, right?

[CommieTroll]

Yeah, pg. 99 and Orchid, totally heavy metal bro. And yeah, Jimmy Eat World, that's emo, right?

Well I probably have a different sense of the word ''emo'' than you do, I do consider Jimmy Eat World as emo yes and certain types of Heavy Metal are fucking horrible.

[Who?]

Yeah, pg. 99 and Orchid, totally heavy metal bro. And yeah, Jimmy Eat World, that's emo, right?

Jimmy Eat World isn't traditional emo like SDRE or Jawbreaker but I'd say they still qualify.

[pluckedflowers]

I discovered the band Intronaut earlier in the year and I think they deserve a lot more attention than they get:
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[stageleft]

I've kind of noticed that hard rock forms of music have been going through a stagnant period right now, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something here.

As far as what's popular with my peers to soothe their teenage angst. These are some of the bands that they like to constantly where shirts of.......

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BfO0TjJrTEU

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Is this shit not incredibly ridiculous? Obviously this is the result of the melodic metalcore and emo/screamo/post-hardcore that was popular for a while in 2008-2010 when the former and latter started to dabble in combination.

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It seems like heavy metal, hard rock, and hardcore punk is dominated by this shit and washed-up bands trying to restart their careers. Is this what has become of rock shifting it's focus to the teenage-angst of young males? Don't get me wrong, I have my fair share of listening to certain bands for teenage-angst such as nu metal and grunge. But I was never into what was popular at the height of my heavy metal interest, which was melodic metalcore bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, and As I Lay Dying. I was pretty much into everything else, even nu metal. As far as popular metal goes, it sucks right now but I'm not even hearing about anything underground that's interesting. So am I missing out on something here?

The various bands and their songs you have referenced are some of the WORST of post hardcore. Escape the Fate is now incredibly cheesy (which came after they got a new vocalist, Craig Mabbit, ex blessthefall and The Word Alive) when they used to be decent (which their old vocalist Ronnie Radke). From First to Last is just crap that only ever produced one good thing: Skrillex (well, that is if you like electronic like I do). Attack Attack (US)'s entire first album, from which one song you quoted, is so atrocious, I don't know how it ever got published, all the songs are the same, they all. Their second album is a much welcomed improvement, but it only has 5 distinguishable decent songs.Falling in Reverse, Ronnie Radke's new band, has none of the creativity that make him an idol in the hearts of those who pine for the old days of Escape the Fate. A Day to Remember, often called "pop-mosh," is more focused on the audience on having fun, rather than any particular expression, as are most pop troupes (I might even compare them to Cash Cash, a pop group who is coincidentally popular within the target demographic for these sort of bands).

However, not all of the music within this genre is bad: both the bands that Craig Mabbit got kicked out of (blessthefall and The Word Alive) got phenomenally better after he left, if you appreciate what the artists are trying to do.

But, the band that I would argue is the best within this genre: Woe is Me.

Yes, I know they have a cheesy emo name, but their music is pretty good, especially the single they released a few months ago, Fame>Demise (I would post a link, but I'm too new, so revleft won't let me, but just type in "Fame Over Demise" on youtube and you'll find it). I realize that just their screams and guitars can wear thin, but once they get some electronic or orchestral elements, it's a lot more palatable. But, their clean singer, Tyler Carter (or at least I think that's his name) is single handedly the best feature in the band. IMO, his voice is the best of the genre.

But yeah, all the bands you quoted suck. I don't understand why they're popular anymore.:confused:

[Rusty Shackleford]

New canadian rock/ doom metal band.

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[Arilou Lalee'lay]

To me the rock movement or ''whats popular'' has been hijacked by emos and that heavy metal screamo shit As much as I hate that music, "whats popular" has always been crap imo, as are all of the pre-fabricated identities from hipster to emo to anti-hipster and emo. I would kill myself if I had to go back to high school.

Anyway op, if by "heavy metal" you mean Judas Priest and Celtic Frost, no, there's nothing good out, they're just reinventing the wheel, like Fawkes said. The best I've heard in a while was that free Adult Swim CD:
http://www.adultswim.com/music/metalswim/index.html

I've spammed this forum with plenty of my musical preferences already, so I'll list some albums quickly:
Technical metal: Unquestionable Presence, Focus, Dances of Death and Other Walking Shadows
Surrealist/post-modern(in the pop sense): Choirs of the Eye, Bath, Part the Second (which is free)
Black/progressive metal: The Serpent's Manifold, La Masquerade Infernale

This site's worth a shot:
http://www.gnoosic.com/faves.php

[Rusty Shackleford]

god, that screamo whiney shit is annoying.

no, its not hard. its irritating.


"oh, you can do breakdowns and growl? thats nice."

[Invader Zim]

How do you define hardrock? Most of the bands refernced in this thread wouldn't be what I would call hard rock. A lot of them fit into more specific genres or subgenres. Or is that not really relevent?

Would some of rockier bands int he post-rock scene count, Mogwai for example? Or how about Pelican?

What about bands like Manchester Orchestra?

Or maybe stuff from the post-Britpop era of the early 00s, bands like Muse, Feeder, Idlewild, etc?

Not that I'm necessarily suggesting any of these, just trying to work out what we collectively mean by the term in this context.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yeah I'm not sure what people are considering hard rock - Metal and emo leave me cold and bored, but I listen to Psych, Gargage and Punk and it's sort of a underground renaissance right now, so after a decade of not listening to much rock at all (late 90s to late 00s) I listen to more rock now than in any time since Kurt Cobain killed himself.

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[Tim Finnegan]

Anyway op, if by "heavy metal" you mean Judas Priest and Celtic Frost, no, there's nothing good out, they're just reinventing the wheel, like Fawkes said.
Actually, there's a lot of good progressive stuff coming out right now, particularly progressive death and sludge. Say what you like about [Latin-derived adjective] [gory noun], but bands like Baroness, Gojira and Cynic are doing far more than just "reinventing the wheel".

(Edit: In fact, your own link had a Kylesa song. You can't be telling me that just sounds like warmed over Black Sabbath to you. :huh:)

[Zealot]

Ever heard of djent? I'm not sure how heavy you like it but you could check out bands such as Meshuggah, Sybreed, Nevermore and Gojira as Tim mentioned.

[L.A.P.]

How do you define hardrock? Most of the bands refernced in this thread wouldn't be what I would call hard rock. A lot of them fit into more specific genres or subgenres. Or is that not really relevent?

I'm using "hard rock" as basically an umbrella term for forms of rock like heavy metal, hardcore punk, etc.



Would some of rockier bands int he post-rock scene count, Mogwai for example? Or how about Pelican?

What about bands like Manchester Orchestra?

Or maybe stuff from the post-Britpop era of the early 00s, bands like Muse, Feeder, Idlewild, etc?

I've heard of Pelican, I have a song by them on my ipod called "Ephemeral". After not listening to rock for a year, I'm looking for some scene of heavy metal or punk bands that are interesting but all of it sucks. I'm just looking to find out what new great hard rock band has come out?

[Arilou Lalee'lay]

Actually, there's a lot of good progressive stuff coming out right now, particularly progressive death and sludge. Say what you like about [Latin-derived adjective] [gory noun], but bands like Baroness, Gojira and Cynic are doing far more than just "reinventing the wheel".

Agreed, I actually recommended Cynic in that post and I'm a big fan of Gojira. I just didn't know they counted. Though actually i recommended Cynic's old album, my favorite, but Traced is excellent too. Can't wait for their new stuff this year :thumbup:

[Tim Finnegan]

Agreed, I actually recommended Cynic in that post and I'm a big fan of Gojira. I just didn't know they counted. Though actually i recommended Cynic's old album, my favorite, but Traced is excellent too. Can't wait for their new stuff this year :thumbup:
Ah, jeez, so you did. My bad. :blushing:

[pierrotlefou]

http://youtu.be/Bpw9gHQJrS0

awesome band from Tel Aviv. Don't think they're around anymore though.

[Invader Zim]

I'm using "hard rock" as basically an umbrella term for forms of rock like heavy metal, hardcore punk, etc.




I've heard of Pelican, I have a song by them on my ipod called "Ephemeral". After not listening to rock for a year, I'm looking for some scene of heavy metal or punk bands that are interesting but all of it sucks. I'm just looking to find out what new great hard rock band has come out?

Well, I guess it depends on what you want out of it. I really like post-rock/post-metal, bands like Pelican and Mogwai.

Incidentally what have you been listening to for the last year or so?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Yeah, pg. 99 and Orchid, totally heavy metal bro. And yeah, Jimmy Eat World, that's emo, right?
FUCK.YES. Here comes the pain.

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I wish Youtube had some Reversal Of Man This Is Medicine tracks. their best album and almost no uploads?

[Apoi_Viitor]

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[Fawkes]

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[Rusty Shackleford]

Boris changes in style a lot. and every single bit of it is good.
heres some stuff that is close to the same thing but falls into a more 'hard rock' or sludge style.
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[Per Levy]

There are a few hard rock bands out there that are fairly good, albeit a tad unoriginal. Have you heard of The Parlor Mob? They're pretty good:



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thanks for this, havnt heard of this band before, they sound pretty damn awsome.

[Who?]

Modern rock is alright, most of the stuff I listen to seems to be shoegaze or at least shoegaze influenced lately.

Nothing special I guess.

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