Questions about Stalin.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Hey Comrades, there are some questions that I would like to ask about Stalin.

1.Did he kill his own people?
2.Did he got elected to become USSR's leader?
3.Is it true that he had an industrial region where he made workers work like the dogs?

Thanks!

[Commissar Rykov]

Hey Comrades, there are some questions that I would like to ask about Stalin.

1.Did he kill his own people?
2.Did he got elected to become USSR's leader?
3.Is it true that he had an industrial region where he made workers work like the dogs?

Thanks!

1. Debatable how much control he even had and the numbers for the Purges fluctuate depending who you talk to not to mention people love to throw famine numbers into the mix. While completely dismissing that famine was a major problem for the Russian people long before the Soviets took power.
2. Yes by the Central Committee
3. Dogs can't work in a factory they are excellent for guard and corpse finding though. This is such a vague and weird question I don't know how to answer it.

[Tommy4ever]

Hey Comrades, there are some questions that I would like to ask about Stalin.

1.Did he kill his own people?
2.Did he got elected to become USSR's leader?
3.Is it true that he had an industrial region where he made workers work like the dogs?

Thanks!

1. Depends on your definition. But he did sign at the very least 10,000 death warrants himself if that's what you want to know. There are various theories of how you can regard his guilt in terms of other deaths. Do you blame him for the famines? Do you blame him for war deaths as a result of poor policies? Do you blame him for the full extent of the Terror? etc etc

2. Not by the Soviet people as a whole. But one had to be elected by the party to get onto the Central Committee.

3. During industrialisation working conditions were very, very bad. Some of the worst areas included places like Magnitogorsk.

[Pioneers_Violin]

Hey Comrades, there are some questions that I would like to ask about Stalin.

1.Did he kill his own people?
2.Did he got elected to become USSR's leader?
3.Is it true that he had an industrial region where he made workers work like the dogs?

Thanks!

Why not read up on Stalin and decide for yourself?

Here's what I've been reading lately: The Stalin Era by Anna Louise Strong
http://leninist.biz/en/0000/ALS00000/index.html

My take on Stalin: He was who was needed at the time and one of the best leaders ever.
Stalin accomplished what no else could have and saved the USSR from defeat and/or collapse.

He managed extremely rapid industrialization while surrounded by enemy states and with his country and government infiltrated by many spies and traitors.
It's amazing that they were able to get rid enough of them (during the "purges") so as to ensure the USSRs survival. Unfortunately, some innocent people got shot as well. (some speculate that some of the traitors were conducting some of the purges on the wrong people on purpose)
Was it worth it? Well, the union survived while other countries fell... at least partly due to clearing out Hitler's fifth column (spies, traitors, saboteurs)


Stalin had a talent for divining what the people wanted and needed and..
a talent for getting people to agree on a course of action and...
a talent for inspiring people onward and upward en masse.
Many "worked like dogs" voluntarily because of this and maybe some were coerced to do so when necessary.

Necessary? Well, in 1924 the USSR and particularly Russia was a backwards country stuck in the Middle Ages, ravaged by 7 years of war and surrounded by enemies.

At Stalin's death in 1953, the USSR was a first-world country on its way to outer space... and this was after having to rebuild itself a 2nd time from WW2 which had cost the USSR about 25% of her population.

Yes, progress was costly. But without Stalin, Hitler would have won, the USSR would have been crushed and Fascism would have spread world-wide.

My vote for the best Leader of all time: Stalin.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Yes, the number is about a million
Yes
I really can't answer that question

[DinodudeEpic]

1.Yes, but not as much as the ridiculous 40-60 millions that some people put in. He's still one of the most bloodiest leaders/regimes of all time. At most 24,000,000; at least 10,000,000. Note that this includes 4 million war killings outside of battle. Hitler killed around 28,316,000 in comparison. (With war deaths included.) Note that Stalin had a longer reign then Hitler. Stalin ruled for 30 years, Hitler for 10. So, timing Hitler's regime by 3 making Hitler way worse then Stalin. I'm only simply debunking those 'Hitler is better then Stalin' myths.

2.Yes, but not by the people. But, by the Central Committee via dirty politics. (He pretty much conned and removed all of the original revolutionaries.)

3.Working conditions were SHIT during Stalin's regime. Then again, they were always shit in Russia.

In total, Stalin was great conqueror and industrialist, but not a revolutionary ,someone worth respect, nor an actual socialist/communist.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

1.Yes, but not as much as the ridiculous 40-60 millions that some people put in. He's still one of the most bloodiest leaders/regimes of all time. At most 24,000,000; at least 10,000,000. Note that this includes 4 million war killings outside of battle. Hitler killed around 28,316,000 in comparison. (With war deaths included.) Note that Stalin had a longer reign then Hitler. Stalin ruled for 30 years, Hitler for 10. So, timing Hitler's regime by 3 making Hitler way worse then Stalin. I'm only simply debunking those 'Hitler is better then Stalin' myths.
In total, Stalin was great conqueror and industrialist, but not a revolutionary ,someone worth respect, nor an actual socialist/communist.
i want a source, according to the black book of communism


the executions of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922 (See also: Red Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror))
the Russian famine of 1921 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921), which caused the death of 5 million people
the extermination and deportation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization) of the Don Cossacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cossacks) in 1920
the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930
the Great Purge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge) which killed almost 690,000 people
the deportation of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization) 2 million so-called "kulaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)" from 1930 to 1932
the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) (Holodomor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932-1934)


the total is


20 million in the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)

so stalin killed 60 million

[Apoi_Viitor]

according to the black book of communism

Well, this seems to be a fairly reliable and unbiased source...

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Well, this seems to be a fairly reliable and unbiased source...
hmm so its biased badly? i dont know, he sure said a lot more than that said

[Imposter Marxist]

Stalin personally executed 60 million people, including children. I saw it on glenn beck


Whenever I see someone attempting to blame "Stalin" for the deaths in the USSR, I facepalm. There were many material conditions that contributed to problems in the USSR, such as famine.

[PolskiLenin]

I believe Stalin is a disgrace to Marxism.
Marxism is revolution from the bottom up - not elitist dictatorship.

Stalin brutally murdered millions of his own people not just out of his psychotic schizophrenia but out of pure evil. Stalin's ruthless dictatorship policies and actions may have done positive things here and there, but he has left a negative reputation on the face of Marxism forever.

Stalinism contradicted Marxism in so many way - from bureaucracy to elitism, to censorship to nationalism.

Yes, Stalin did manage to help the Soviet economy and bring the U.S.S.R. to the position of world superpower, but at the price of freedom, which should never be expendable.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

i want a source, according to the black book of communism


the executions of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922 (See also: Red Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror))
the Russian famine of 1921 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921), which caused the death of 5 million people
the extermination and deportation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization) of the Don Cossacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cossacks) in 1920
the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930
the Great Purge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge) which killed almost 690,000 people
the deportation of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization) 2 million so-called "kulaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)" from 1930 to 1932
the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) (Holodomor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932-1934)


the total is


20 million in the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)

so stalin killed 60 million


I believe Stalin is a disgrace to Marxism.
Marxism is revolution from the bottom up - not elitist dictatorship.

Stalin brutally murdered millions of his own people not just out of his psychotic schizophrenia but out of pure evil. Stalin's ruthless dictatorship policies and actions may have done positive things here and there, but he has left a negative reputation on the face of Marxism forever.

Stalinism contradicted Marxism in so many way - from bureaucracy to elitism, to censorship to nationalism.

Yes, Stalin did manage to help the Soviet economy and bring the U.S.S.R. to the position of world superpower, but at the price of freedom, which should never be expendable.
can you not fucking read?:tt2::cursing:

[Commissar Rykov]

i want a source, according to the black book of communism


the executions of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922 (See also: Red Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror))
the Russian famine of 1921 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921), which caused the death of 5 million people
the extermination and deportation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization) of the Don Cossacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cossacks) in 1920
the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930
the Great Purge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge) which killed almost 690,000 people
the deportation of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization) 2 million so-called "kulaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)" from 1930 to 1932
the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) (Holodomor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932-1934)


the total is


20 million in the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)

so stalin killed 60 million

The Black Book of Communism? Are you serious? Why not just use Glenn Beck as a source it would be just as reliable and intellectual.

[DinodudeEpic]

I used various stats from the 20th Century Atlas. http://necrometrics.com/warstats.htm

I purposely removed the famine, but even with it Stalin still isn't as bad as Hitler.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

The Black Book of Communism? Are you serious? Why not just use Glenn Beck as a source it would be just as reliable and intellectual.
my point is HE killed 670,000 people not 20 or 60 million people like everyone else says
when every famine striked, he got blamed

[Commissar Rykov]

my point is HE killed 670,000 people not 20 or 60 million people like everyone else says
when every famine striked, he got blamed

No I get what you are saying it is just not a reliable source though it is funny that the Black Book claims he killed less then most Revlefters.:lol:

[AnonymousOne]

Hey Comrades, there are some questions that I would like to ask about Stalin.

1.Did he kill his own people?
2.Did he got elected to become USSR's leader?
3.Is it true that he had an industrial region where he made workers work like the dogs?

Thanks!

1. Yes!

2. Yes, but not by the people!

3. No! They worked like humans in very brutal conditions! Stalin realized making humans act like dogs and work was inefficient!

[DinodudeEpic]

I didn't use any famines in determining the results. Just the purges and war crimes that his regime caused.

[CommunityBeliever]

The bourgeoisie would have us think that Stalin and Hitler were comparable because they signed the Nazi-Soviet pact. It makes bourgeoisie history a lot simpler, but that it is really just nonsense.

Hitler indeed was a butcher but Stalin was not. Some reactionaries had to be eliminated in the but that is the nature of revolution and of defending against the Nazis and all of the other foreign interventionists.