Solidarity for the victims and families in Norway

[ComradeMan]

I was appalled to read/see about these vicious and cowardly atrocities in Norway- Oslo and Utoya- on the news.

I hope everyone will agree in showing solidarity with the victims and their families, albelt there is very little we can do and it's merely symbolic.

Are there any members here from Norway?

RGacky?

[Demogorgon]

It is too horrific for words. I cannot fathom the kind of hatred needed to do something like this.

[RGacky3]

Was downtown when It happened, holy shit, windows all busted out.

[RGacky3]

Luckily Norway has a good emergency response and good healthcare, its discusting, the guy shot up a youth camp, shooting kids.

Turns out the guy is a right wing nationalist.

[RGacky3]

This is insane, its kind of a shock.

[Hiero]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/23/norway-attacks


Norway (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/norway) was today coming to terms with one of the worst atrocities in recent European history as police revealed that 91 people died in the attacks in the centre of Oslo and on a nearby island summer camp, apparently the work of a lone gunman.

I had no idea this happened.

[RGacky3]

happened yesterday around 3:30

[Havet]

Some bulletpoints of what happened:


This happened at the Norwegian Labour party's summercamp for teenagers.
ca 600-700 people were at the island (Utøya is an island) most of them teenagers around 16 years old
The island is about 35km / 20miles from Oslo
The island is about 0.12km2 , or easier to visualize: 350 x 350 meters. It was also about 500-600 meter swim to get to the mainland. (via Humpa (http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixc7a/atleast_80_people_killed_in_ut%C3%B8ya_massacre/c27fg91) )
Some people were trying to swim others were hiding
Some people were saying that if you know someone there, don't call them as they might have been hiding
People were posting to Facebook and Twitter asking for help
(19:10) One person was arrested.
Photos show that many teenagers have been killed (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/nyheter/innenriks/skyteepisode/utoya/17418837/)
The shooter used many weapons, including shotgun, handgun and automatic weapon. (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fnyheter%2Fnorge%2F1.77 23132)
Uncensored photo from the island (http://www.abcnyheter.no/files/imagecache/wide/2011-29/utoya980_0.jpg)
Total death toll is atleast 80, and police are saying it may still rise. Most of them children/teenagers.
Police have also found unexploded explosives on the island, and believes/almost certain that there is a link with the Oslo bombing 2 hours earlier.

Update 09:14 Norwegian time:


At least 84 have been confirmed dead at the island, but numbers might still rise. None of the dead have been identified yet, and the police are still searching for bodies on land, but mainly in the water as he also shot at people trying to swim from the island.
The shooter has been charged with the maximum sentence possible in Norway (21 years in prison)
The shooter has been charged for both the Oslo explosion and the shootings

Update 09:30:


Police has raised the estimate to a total of 91 confirmed dead at Utøya (84) and Oslo (7)

About the shooter:
He has been arrested and is being questioned by the police. This is what I have been able to gather of info so far. Police are still considering the possibility that he did not act alone.


Name: Anders Behring Breivik
Age 32
Ethnic Norwegian
Considers himself a nationalist
Interviewed childhood friends says he turned extreme right wing towards the end of his 20s.
No earlier crimes and is unknown to the police
Considers himself conservative Christian
Started a company in 2009 called Geofarm and stated it would do farming. Using this company he got access to a lot of artifical fertilizers (means that this has been planned for some time)
Created a Twitter account 1 month ago and has only tweeted one tweet: «One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests»
Has been very active on online communities against "internationalism" (Document.no is one such site and has published all of his posts as a response to the events - norsk (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/)/english (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fse arch%3Fq%3Dcache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2F anders-behring-breivik%2F).)
Has strong opinions against immigrants, especially muslims
Is member of a pistol club and is a registered gun owner - has 2 registered guns
Lived most his life in Oslo (west side), but recently moved to Hedemark (further north)
Freemasonry member

Sources:


http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080622
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7723555
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080610&act=url
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080602&act=url
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080593
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aftenposten.no%2Fnyheter%2Firik s%2Farticle4180789.ece
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2011%2F07%2F22%2 Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fskyteepisode%2Futoya%2F1741 6834%2F
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080590&act=url
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080590
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fa rtikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10080590http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dag bladet.no%2F2011%2F07%2F22%2Fnyheter%2Futoya%2Fter ror%2Foslo%2F17415425%2F
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fnyheter%2Fnorge%2F1.77 23132

Source of all this information: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ixc7a/atleast_80_people_killed_in_ut%C3%B8ya_massacre/

[Nox]

This is why in my opinion fascism is a mental disorder.

[Dr Mindbender]

I've been lurking fash forums.

They are blaming mossad. :lol:

[ComradeMan]

I've been lurking fash forums.

They are blaming mossad. :lol:

When in doubt blame Israel! Like that pathetic attempt to blame the Red Sea shark attacks on Israeli secret services.

It seems pretty certain that this is a rightwing inspired crime- although I am puzzled by some news reports that said and Islamist group also claimed something. :confused:

[cogar66]

I've been lurking fash forums.

They are blaming mossad. :lol:

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.

[Tommy4ever]

With most of his views becoming clear it seems he has an ideology that is very, very close to the American Tea Party:

Anti-immigrant
Anti-Muslim
Anti-left
Dissassociates from traditional far-right ie fascism
Highly Nationalist
Christian
Conservatism
Apparent neo-liberal ideas
Against 'cultural Marxism'

[Bronco]

When in doubt blame Israel! Like that pathetic attempt to blame the Red Sea shark attacks on Israeli secret services.

It seems pretty certain that this is a rightwing inspired crime- although I am puzzled by some news reports that said and Islamist group also claimed something. :confused:

A group called "Helpers for Global Jihad" issues a statement claiming responsibility but later retracted it

[svenne]

Well written ComradeMan. Solidarity with the young norweigans.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

With most of his views becoming clear it seems he has an ideology that is very, very close to the American Tea Party:

Anti-immigrant
Anti-Muslim
Anti-left
Dissassociates from traditional far-right ie fascism
Highly Nationalist
Christian
Conservatism
Apparent neo-liberal ideas
Against 'cultural Marxism'

If you read some of his posts on that forum you'll see that he says that they need to build a European Tea-Party. What a horrible person.

[Demogorgon]

With most of his views becoming clear it seems he has an ideology that is very, very close to the American Tea Party:

Anti-immigrant
Anti-Muslim
Anti-left
Dissassociates from traditional far-right ie fascism
Highly Nationalist
Christian
Conservatism
Apparent neo-liberal ideas
Against 'cultural Marxism'Well he is a former member of the Progress Party which is a rough Norwegian equivalent to the Tea Party and currently the second biggest party in parliament. I am afraid I have to say the groups like that are poisonous. They preach a constant stream of hatred against certain groups in society in an effort to gain power. It is little wonder that disturbed individuals who get caught up in this rhetoric behave in such a way.

The BBC are still reporting as if he is a Neo-Nazi of the sort that you find scattered about Europe, but it seems increasingly clear that he actually belongs to the modern version of the "far right", focussed on opposition to immigration and hatred of any kind of social democracy. The very groups that are enjoying enormous success across Europe in other words. Obviously the sort of person who would commit an act such as this is the exception even amongst them, but they preach the same message of hatred and seek to make the lives of minority groups miserable. Further they have created the environment that pushed this individual towards doing what he did. I believe these groups to be incompatible with any kind of democratic culture and I believe the so called mainstream parties that have legitimised them by appeasing them on issues such as immigration must share the blame for allowing them to rise.

For all that of course, feelings are naturally running high, mine very much included, and it would be foolish to make snap judgements at this time. But for a long time now I have believed that these right wing populist parties are the biggest threat faced by Europe since the second world war and one of their members, very much sharing these views acting like this, makes me feel this all the more strongly.

[CommieTroll]

Turns out the guy is a right wing nationalist.

Big surprise:rolleyes: I don't see how someone could harbor enough hatred inside to do this to kids, of all possible targets it had to be kids.
Its a shame that it takes an atrocity like this to show how dangerous fascists can be. Didn't he get 21 years or something? A sentence like that is too light, he needs to be castrated and left to bleed out. Then it'd be one less fascist and it would save public funds instead of housing him in prison at the expense of the public

[Meridian]

Big surprise:rolleyes: I don't see how someone could harbor enough hatred inside to do this to kids, of all possible targets it had to be kids.
The people at the political youth camp were mostly between 16-22, so teenagers. Several parties hold annual summer camps there.


Its a shame that it takes an atrocity like this to show how dangerous fascists can be.
I am not sure it is correct to call him a fascist. He is certainly far right-wing, though.


Didn't he get 21 years or something? A sentence like that is too light, he needs to be castrated and left to bleed out.
He will most likely serve life due to how the system in Norway works. You can technically only get 21 years, but then in harsher cases you only come up for "consideration" after that.

[RGacky3]

WHo the hell cares what fascists believe.


Didn't he get 21 years or something? A sentence like that is too light, he needs to be castrated and left to bleed out. Then it'd be one less fascist and it would save public funds instead of housing him in prison at the expense of the public

Yeah, that would really help, you don't fight savegry with savegry, that has never, or will never help the situation. He should get the maximum sentance, and thats it, and he should be treated humanely. Because thats what humans do, unlike people like him.


Well he is a former member of the Progress Party which is a rough Norwegian equivalent to the Tea Party and currently the second biggest party in parliament. I am afraid I have to say the groups like that are poisonous. They preach a constant stream of hatred against certain groups in society in an effort to gain power. It is little wonder that disturbed individuals who get caught up in this rhetoric behave in such a way.


They are the third biggest, its labor, the conservatives then the progress. The right wing in all of Europe have been a problem, they've taken advantage of the crisis to blame immigrants, basically its juts hatred, and easy (but wrong) answers to questions.

People that are into the right wing almost ALWAYS have personal issues they need resolved, and it reflects their politics, its the same sort of person that sucks up to the powerful and has disdain for anyone that is less fortunate, its people that feel they are not good enough, its those type of people that become extreme right wing, be it ultra-capitalist (libertarian) or the more fascist anti-immigrant types.

[ComradeMan]

The right wing in all of Europe have been a problem, they've taken advantage of the crisis to blame immigrants, basically its juts hatred, and easy (but wrong) answers to questions.

So the credit crunch was the fault of immigrants and not suspect American banking and financial practice? :rolleyes:

This guy loved Norway so much he massacred around 100 Norwegians to prove it.....?

Is it just me, or is this world just too fucked up to understand at times?

[Dr Mindbender]

This guy loved Norway so much he massacred around 100 Norwegians to prove it.....?


Yes, but he thinks they were communist Norwegians which is why he shot up a leftist gathering.

[Demogorgon]

They are the third biggest, its labor, the conservatives then the progress. The right wing in all of Europe have been a problem, they've taken advantage of the crisis to blame immigrants, basically its juts hatred, and easy (but wrong) answers to questions.

People that are into the right wing almost ALWAYS have personal issues they need resolved, and it reflects their politics, its the same sort of person that sucks up to the powerful and has disdain for anyone that is less fortunate, its people that feel they are not good enough, its those type of people that become extreme right wing, be it ultra-capitalist (libertarian) or the more fascist anti-immigrant types.
Well Progress has 41 MPs to the Conservatives 30, though I understand that the Conservatives have overtaken them in opinion polls and if you believe in lesser evils that is something at least.

Besides that I agree with you. The right wing populists across Europe, including in Norway, have offered people easy answers to difficult problems and those answers have been to make a scapegoat out of vulnerable groups. Not only has this made life difficult for those groups, it has also paralysed political discourse and forced debate to take place entirely on the right's chosen turf. Now of course we see the problem go one further and lead to murder.

I hate these right wing groups that have done this, but I think no better of other political parties who have given legitimacy to this by claiming to understand "legitimate concerns". These politicians presumably tell themselves that they are engaged in discussions of migration levels, somewhat divorced from the human level, but we all know in reality that this is not about immigration, but about immigrants, the human beings who are being subjected to hateful rhetoric and indeed now occupy the same position in the populist right's worldview that Jews used to.

On another note, it is a single day since all this has happened and the BBC has decided to put coverage of this on the backseat to focus on Amy Winehouse dying. Talk about skewed priorities.

[Dr Mindbender]

So i clicked on their equivalent thread, this is never a good sign-
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d139/subzero2006/stormfront.jpg

[Demogorgon]

Why do you keep going to that website? It only benefits them by getting their traffic up.

[Dr Mindbender]

Why do you keep going to that website? It only benefits them by getting their traffic up.

Because i like to watch them squirm and post their idiotic paranoid rantings about this being some sort of Zionist red flag operation to turn people away from extreme right politics.

Besides which the fact that some SF'ers are supporting this lunatic backs up our argument that these are dangerous people that need to be kept as far away as possible from power. If anything positive comes from this atrocity, hopefully it is that the general population will now be waking up to that fact.

[RNL]

Murdoch sez

http://i54.tinypic.com/1nzpud.jpg

[Dr Mindbender]

I wonder if the parenthesis was a 'stop press' moment.

Fucking right wing opportunist arseholes.

The Sun owes al qaeda an apology

[hatzel]

Does anybody know any details about his actual arrest? One doesn't usually expect the gunman to actually survive these kinds of mass shootings, as they very often either turn the gun on themselves, turning the whole affair into a glorified suicide, or otherwise go out in a hail of bullets, just to satiate their seeming desire for 'martyrdom.' But in this case the suspect seems to have been successfully apprehended without shots fired; the TV here claims that he had run out of ammunition, and I can't believe, given the fact that it clearly wasn't a rush of blood to the head or anything similar, but a meticulously planned action, that he would have accidentally used up all his rounds, rather than saving at least one to ensure he could 'martyr' himself (if that was his intention)...given the inaccessible choice of location and his Facebook and Twitter profiles, clearly intended as a means through which he could communicate some idea to the wider world, it's pretty obvious that he didn't think that he would escape, but did he intend to survive, or was arrest always his intention? Do we think it was a mistake on his part not to sacrifice himself for his cause, as would perhaps be expected?

Don't ask me why, but I guess I just have a bit of an interest in criminal psychology. Entirely amateur, of course, but it's a fascinating line of enquiry...

[Tim Cornelis]

A group called "Helpers for Global Jihad" issues a statement claiming responsibility but later retracted it

Not entirely true. There was ONE American man who CLAIMED he has access to a closed jihadist forum and SAID this organization, which nobody ever heard of and probably doesn't even exist, claimed responsibility. And the media jumped on the bandwagon.

[Meridian]

Does anybody know any details about his actual arrest? One doesn't usually expect the gunman to actually survive these kinds of mass shootings, as they very often either turn the gun on themselves, turning the whole affair into a glorified suicide, or otherwise go out in a hail of bullets, just to satiate their seeming desire for 'martyrdom.' But in this case the suspect seems to have been successfully apprehended without shots fired; the TV here claims that he had run out of ammunition, and I can't believe, given the fact that it clearly wasn't a rush of blood to the head or anything similar, but a meticulously planned action, that he would have accidentally used up all his rounds, rather than saving at least one to ensure he could 'martyr' himself (if that was his intention)...given the inaccessible choice of location and his Facebook and Twitter profiles, clearly intended as a means through which he could communicate some idea to the wider world, it's pretty obvious that he didn't think that he would escape, but did he intend to survive, or was arrest always his intention? Do we think it was a mistake on his part not to sacrifice himself for his cause, as would perhaps be expected?

Don't ask me why, but I guess I just have a bit of an interest in criminal psychology. Entirely amateur, of course, but it's a fascinating line of enquiry...
He always intended to be apprehended, all signs points to that. I don't know if he was out of ammunition at the time the police arrived, but he gave himself over without violence.

In his 'manifesto' (or whatever it is) he writes about how an arrest can be a possibility for spreading propaganda to the world.

[RedAnarchist]

Not entirely true. There was ONE American man who CLAIMED he has access to a closed jihadist forum and SAID this organization, which nobody ever heard of and probably doesn't even exist, claimed responsibility. And the media jumped on the bandwagon.

Yeah, all you need to do is give the group a name that sounds appropriate, and the media will automatically believe you if you say they claim responsibility.

[ComradeMan]

Not entirely true. There was ONE American man who CLAIMED he has access to a closed jihadist forum and SAID this organization, which nobody ever heard of and probably doesn't even exist, claimed responsibility. And the media jumped on the bandwagon.

I was suspicious as it just didn't seem to add up. If this is someone's idea of a hoax it's pretty sick humour in my opinion.

[Demogorgon]

I was suspicious as it just didn't seem to add up. If this is someone's idea of a hoax it's pretty sick humour in my opinion.
This sort of thing happens every time. In fact there was less of it this time than usual. I was watching the BBC coverage and a terrorism expert stated matter of factly that there would be half a dozen or so groups claiming responsibility before long. I suppose it is much the same phenomenon as high profile murder cases where police have to give out false details of the murder so that they can tell an actual confession from all the crackpots who come in pretending to have done it.

[Havet]

WHo the hell cares what fascists believe.


I do. because trying to prevent another massacre like this should be in EVERYONE'S top priority right now.

In this very moment, ive been discussing with a swedish anti-multiculturalist young teen. I am doing my best to argue with him, to change his views, to try to, at least, make him doubt his nationalism.

Here's some of the arguments i've compiled with the help of a friend:

Islam is stupid, but no more stupid than Christianity. Like Christianity, most followers are non-violent, normal people, who aren't too great at thinking, but don't really see themselves as bad people.


If someone wants to judge people on a group level and not an individual level, thats up to them. It's certainly simpler. But can also be dangerous.

I have tried to toss out the fact that 90% plus of terrorist acts have been done by non muslims. (http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/) Course, this isn't perfect logic because there aren't that many muslims in Europe, but it might combat the emotional notion that there is a "wave" of muslims attacking europe.
And of course, you can also go the other way, of saying about how even if you don't like muslim people, that Norway is no more "his" country, than it is the muslims. He just happens to have been born there, but at some point his ancestors would have been immigrants too.

And again, you can tie this in with the previous point, that restricting immigration on groups as large as muslims is far too broad, and you're going to refuse a lot of good people, and just because you're allowing white christian in, doesn't mean some of those aren't just as bad as some of the muslims

Also there's the argument that reducing extremism is done by education and integration, not buy building up walls and kicking people out. Course, that's not very persuasive to the anti-immigrant/government mindset. Even in America where building a wall is literally useless, people are still trying to do it because they'd rather do something idiotic that comforted their tribal nationalism than think things through.

I urge everyone to do what you can to debate the milder forms of antimulticulturalism, which might lead to attacks like these...

[RGacky3]

I do. because trying to prevent another massacre like this should be in EVERYONE'S top priority right now.


This guy was'nt a stormfront fascist, he's the new type, the pro-market, anti-immigrant, nationalists and so on. And you don't prevent it by listening to their bullshit.


In this very moment, ive been discussing with a swedish anti-multiculturalist young teen. I am doing my best to argue with him, to change his views, to try to, at least, make him doubt his nationalism.


I debate it too, but I have no interest in giving credence to their ideals, their ideas should be shown with the disdain it deserves and dismissed.

[RGacky3]

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Can you believe this? This is rediculous, the WHOLE conversation is on Islamic terrorists. THE GUY WHO DID THE BOMBING WAS A GUY WHO THOUGHT LIKE YOU ASSHOLES, Fox News has no sense of itegrety, these people are dispicable.

BTW, This was not the first since Oaklahoma, there were tons and tons, infact over 90% of them, the IRA, the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building, nationalist (guys like the fox news guys) shooting people up.

Absolutely no shame.

[ComradeMan]

This sort of thing happens every time. In fact there was less of it this time than usual. I was watching the BBC coverage and a terrorism expert stated matter of factly that there would be half a dozen or so groups claiming responsibility before long. I suppose it is much the same phenomenon as high profile murder cases where police have to give out false details of the murder so that they can tell an actual confession from all the crackpots who come in pretending to have done it.

Modern sensationalist journalism, instead of reporting facts they seem to "interpret" facts. I am aware that there was some kind of security threat in Norway from an Islamist group recently but still. It's a bit like that poor British singer Amy Winehouse, already the news have been speculating that it was a cocktail of drugs and alcohol- of course with no official report or any evidence as far as it seems to back this up. I remember in the "old days" when anything that happened on the continent was instantly "possibly" linked to the Basques and/or the IRA.

[Chris]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14285020

Attended the rally in Larvik. We were between 10.000-15.000 people according to the police (who told our local newspaper). The town has a population of 20.000, and the munipicality has 40.000 (although, people in some border areas rather went to closer towns outside the munipicality. It's a big munipicality by area). I'd guess somewhere between 35-40% of the people in the area turned up to the rally, despite the rain. We sang the national anthem and "To Youth". To Youth was actually written by a communist. So, it's very, very progressive. The song has been adopted by much of the norwegian left, including the Worker's Youth Organisation (the ones who were attacked).

[beeman]

This guy was'nt a stormfront fascist, he's the new type, the pro-market, anti-immigrant, nationalists and so on. And you don't prevent it by listening to their bullshit.



I debate it too, but I have no interest in giving credence to their ideals, their ideas should be shown with the disdain it deserves and dismissed.


Why does he kill ethnic Norwegians if his goal is to stop multi culturalism?

[Drosophila]

What a dick. Some are saying things like "at least he made his voice known". Pretty disgusting.

[IcarusAngel]

Apparently, this guy cited Mises and Hayek in his manifesto (http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf). He also references articles at Mises.org.


And, furthermore, made entries into the anti-Islamic Atlas-Shuggs blog (and check capitalism magazine where a few objectivists were saying we had the right to nuke the ME after 9-11, which, due to balance of power theory, may have triggered World War III).

If economics is inherently empirical I fail to see how Austrian economics is not a cult.

(Pages of his "manifesto" were actually plagiarized from the unabomber.)

[eyedrop]

Why does he kill ethnic Norwegians if his goal is to stop multi culturalism?
Because our labour party hasn't been racist enough against muslims, so then he attacked them. And they are "cultural marxists" and not horribly socially conservative.

[RGacky3]

What a dick. Some are saying things like "at least he made his voice known". Pretty disgusting.

Who says that?

[hatzel]

The news here has revealed that he claims to have had pretty strong links to the EDL, having met many of the leaders, and been involved in plenty of their activities. Of course they deny it and condemn the attacks...

[ComradeMan]

The news here has revealed that he claims to have had pretty strong links to the EDL, having met many of the leaders, and been involved in plenty of their activities. Of course they deny it and condemn the attacks...

What worries me is how many maniacs are out there who might take inspiration (in private) from this man.

As one of the older members here, I get the feeling sometimes that the Anni di Piombo, i.e. 1970s are coming back with a vengeance. I don't know about other European countries where terrorism in the 1970s was more linked with nationalist groups or related to the Middle East, but Italy and West Germany had a serious rightwing terrorism problem- linked in turn to some so-called "leftwing" terrorist groups too.

[RGacky3]

I don't know about other European countries where terrorism in the 1970s was more linked with nationalist groups or related to the Middle East, but Italy and West Germany had a serious rightwing terrorism problem- linked in turn to some so-called "leftwing" terrorist groups too.

The sad thing is that the ideas behind this terrorist, are not far from the mainstream right wing in europe.

[ComradeMan]

The sad thing is that the ideas behind this terrorist, are not far from the mainstream right wing in europe.

I wouldn't even say "different". Of course- the public face of these groups is always different to what lies under the surface if you scratch them- they aren't stupid, they know what to say and how to present a palatable image, but then the NAZIS and fascisti of old were quite adept at that too.

[hatzel]

What a dick. Some are saying things like "at least he made his voice known". Pretty disgusting.Who says that?

From a personal perspective, I've managed to delete one of my Facebook friends after the following comment:


I support his ideas, but not the implementation. Why didn't he do it at a mosque?
*Delete*

[ComradeMan]

From a personal perspective, I've managed to delete one of my Facebook friends after the following comment:


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It's a pity there isn't a slap function on it too. :thumbdown:

Seriously- what is it with this fucking 21st century bloodlust that seems to abound at the moment?

[RGacky3]

Oh my goodness, that guy is sick, yeah, a slap should be instore for thate guy.

[Dr Mindbender]

Can you believe this? This is rediculous, the WHOLE conversation is on Islamic terrorists. THE GUY WHO DID THE BOMBING WAS A GUY WHO THOUGHT LIKE YOU ASSHOLES, Fox News has no sense of itegrety, these people are dispicable.

BTW, This was not the first since Oaklahoma, there were tons and tons, infact over 90% of them, the IRA, the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building, nationalist (guys like the fox news guys) shooting people up.

Absolutely no shame.

You could turn that video into a drinking game, take a tequila shot every time he says 'islamic terrorism', you'd be shitfaced by the end.

[RGacky3]

You could turn that video into a drinking game, take a tequila shot every time he says 'islamic terrorism', you'd be shitfaced by the end.

And then they go on to say he's not a christian, we'll if he's not a christian than Jihadists are not Muslims.

He said no christian would commit mass murder? Then I suppose most of the US presidents were not christian.

[Che a chara]

July 30, 2011
Married Lesbian Couple Rescued 40 Teens from Norway Massacre

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef014e8a3e48aa970d-250wi

If, as I insisted, you'd read Tove Jansson's elliptical, elegant Fair Play (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590173783/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=banofthe-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=1590173783) or her marvelous The Summer Book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159017268X/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=banofthe-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=159017268X), you could perfectly envision the Norwegian island chain where married lesbians Hege Dalen and Toril Hansen [adidas] were eating at their campsite when they heard shots and screams across the water. Did they run and hide? No, they're lesbians, so they jumped in their boat and sped toward the slaughter. The women pulled terrified teens from the water and the rocky coast as the insane far-right gunman shot through their vessel. Unfortunately, there were too many youth to fit in the boat. Hege and Toril ferried the group to safety, then hurried back to the massacre, rescuing another boatload. Then they did it yet again. And still again. Altogether in their four trips they saved forty people from the scene where seventy-six died.

The mainstream U.S. media, which loves a hero story almost as much as a tragedy, has been uniformly silent about the lesbian superstars. Instead, you get a gay man, Bruce Bawer, in his self-serving WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903999904576465801154130960.html) piece saying how shocked he is to discover his extremist anti-Islam writings are quoted in the extremist anti-Islam writings of a killer. Ignore him and stick with Tove Jansson.

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef0153904b0fa9970b-580wi

LINK: http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/bandofthebes/2011/07/married-lesbian-couple-rescued-40-teens-from-norway-massacre.html