TheAmazingAtheist's new video

[Nox]

I can't link it because I don't have 25 posts so if another poster could link it that's be great :)

It's called 'It's Only Sexist When Men Do It' look it up on youtube if you want to see it

Opinions?

[Ballyfornia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ boom

I'd say its pretty true. There is a lot of a double standard like that in real life and the internet.

[Nox]

thanks:)

I couldn't quote you because the quote contained the link :sneaky:

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Taking pleasure in the undue misfortune of others is disgusting but where 'The Amazing Atheist' really goes afoul in his analysis is where he goes, "This is why I can't take feminism seriously."

Feminist theory is about empowering women to create equality. Patriarchy is a real thing. Men do not have to deal with their reproductive rights being under attack, are not blamed for getting raped because they dress in revealing clothing, do not systematically receive lower wages and fewer opportunities because of their genitals, are not expected to wear physically constraining clothing, footwear and expensive and time-consuming make-up. "Not taking feminism seriously" because of a corporate TV show's image of women is stupid. It would be like not taking anti-racism seriously because of the New Black Panther Party.

The ruling class brands non-class divisions like sex and race into working class peoples heads to keep them from uniting, therefore addressing those differences through ideas like feminism is vital in advancing the class struggle.

What is really laughable is the idea that shows like "The Talk" and "The View" are actually feminist. They are great tools for reinforcing gender-norms, all while giving the superficial semblance of "inclusion." It's the exact same thing you see with shows like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" which actually just plays off of gay stereotypes and reinforces heteronormative views. i.e., "gays are good at interior decorating, straight men are slobs"--with the talk shows its, "women are chatterboxes who say stupid things". So it looks like The Amazing Atheist took the bait and the show gets the message across that its producers wanted it to get across.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

It might be easier to take in his points about sexism and about how stupid feminism supposedly is if he wasn't constantly referring to these women as "****s" and "*****es". It's like this video I saw from a white supremacist "Why do these niggers get to say cracker and hillbilly but if I call them porch-monkeys it's wrong, how am I the racist?!" What that lady said is totally wrong and stupid and you could totally tell the other women at the table felt so awkward.Good thing that one lady that used to be on Rosanne actually spoke up about how much of a stupid thing it was to say.

Furthermore I don't think it's a female/feminist issue, like women think it's so empowering when a woman chops off a guy's penis, because even guys are probably laughing at this. Or to take another example when the guy got caught robbing a place and was chained up and raped. I remember even some guys on this site were like "lucky guy lol" and shit like that and justifying it. I'd actually bet that more guys would laugh at the idea of another man getting raped or would show less compassion towards a man who has gotten raped before. I mean you can clearly see this when you go see a movie, comedy movies will often have scenes where a man is getting raped and it's something that is funny even amongst guys.

What this douche is missing is the feminist movement isn't about fixing problems men might face in society(like how to deal with a society that doesn't accept that men can be raped or how wrong it is for anyone to mutilate your penis)but how to create a world where women and men are equals. But who cares what this guy says?

[Dr Mindbender]

Regardless of whether we're talking about male on female violence or vice versa, the sexes should'nt be hacking each others genitals off and making light of it on TV afterwards. Up to that point, the AA is absolutely correct.

This doesnt empower women any more than black on white violence empowers black people.

[Black Sheep]

AA simply confuses "egalitarian feminism" (= normal feminism, that seeks to equalize the sexes) with ... uhm "supremacist? feminism", that seeks to reverse the hierachy of today's system,meaning to put women in the 'dominant sex' seat.

I would imagine that many self-proclaimed feminist organizations degenerate to the latter type, carried away by fanaticism,isolation and fucked up gray matter.It's similar to an anarchist group starting out normally and getting reduced to a mystic cult of lifestyle emos wearing dark clothing.Hurray.

And no, we shouldn't "defend" such kinds of feminist organizations, just because they claim to fight for women, just as we shouldn't defend black nationalism (in the literal meaning of the terms), degenerate self-proclaimed socialist states, and so on...

ALL sexism should be opposed,regardless the sex,and all bullshit called out and criticized.

[Nox]

In my opinion it is disgraceful that the women joke and laugh about a man having his penis chopped off, when they wouldn't joke if a woman "got her clitoris and breasts cut off", nice double standards ;)

But he does go too far at points in the video such as when he judges all feminists by the reaction of Sharon Osbourne.

[khad]

The amazing atheist is a right wing capitalist and a racist.

Therefore, this is getting moved to OI.

Since you are apparently a new user, I will only give you a warning not to post shit like this in the discrimination forum. Don't do it again.

[cogar66]

The reason they were laughing at the man is because of Patriarchal Gender Roles. Men are "supposed" to be "tough protectors", and women are "supposed" to be "weak victims". The man was a victim, so they laughed because he didn't "perform like a real man". This applies for all of the examples TAA gave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ

Now people can watch it here.

[Thug Lessons]

TheAmazingMisogynist

[Hit The North]

But he does go too far at points in the video such as when he judges all feminists by the reaction of Sharon Osbourne.

It's not like Sharon Osbourne is a feminist anyway. Meanwhile, it is obvious that at least one of the female panel thought Osbourne was out of order. I think the audience laughed more out shock at what the idiot said rather than agreement.

I get the impression that the AA is one of those guys who's just looking for an excuse to be a woman-hater.

[Robocommie]

Why do people give a shit what this loud-mouthed opinionated asshole thinks? The internet is full of people with opinions, and at least some of them are capable of sharing theirs without being a raging, self-righteous prick.

[Tenka]

Such misrepresentations of "girl power" are obviously patriarchal and reactionary in nature, taking those who go crazy and chop off their husband's penis or whatever to be commendable exceptions to the "weakness" that is inherent in the sex. It is sort of a reaction to feminism masquerading as feminism. Sharon Osbourne sucks.
TJ is a fucking moron, but the comments on that video are the worst; that's another thing, positing husband-mutilation and the like as empowering to women really foments the hatred in those 'mens' rights' dumbarses and reinforces their misconceptions about feminism.

[Tim Cornelis]

Taking pleasure in the undue misfortune of others is disgusting but where 'The Amazing Atheist' really goes afoul in his analysis is where he goes, "This is why I can't take feminism seriously."

Feminist theory is about empowering women to create equality. Patriarchy is a real thing. Men do not have to deal with their reproductive rights being under attack, are not blamed for getting raped because they dress in revealing clothing, do not systematically receive lower wages and fewer opportunities because of their genitals, are not expected to wear physically constraining clothing, footwear and expensive and time-consuming make-up. "Not taking feminism seriously" because of a corporate TV show's image of women is stupid. It would be like not taking anti-racism seriously because of the New Black Panther Party.


"Men do not have to deal with their reproductive rights being under attack, are not blamed for getting raped because they dress in revealing clothing"

No instead men are not taken seriously when they claim they were raped. I suspect most everyone considers male rape of a female worse than female rape of a male, after all aren't males just horny so they actually want to be raped? When people hear of a story about a female High School student and a 40 year old male teacher having a sexual relation people consider it abhorrent, when it's a male student with a 40 year old female teacher many would respond "good for the kid".

How many men hit the gym because they are insecure about their appearance? I work out solely because I think women will like me better with abs. How often do you think men worry about their penis size? I'm actually scared a girl will think it's too small for her and cheat on me because she cannot get satisfaction from my size. Do you know how insecure it makes me when I and a mixed group are watching TV and a commercial with big muscled men and the girls go like "woooo!"? I will never have that kind of body or looks :crying: (and I will never be Italian). But when males are woo-ing at big breasted women they are denounced as "typical men".

"do not systematically receive lower wages and fewer opportunities because of their genitals"

And neither do women, according to one study done by a Dutch sociologist I think. She pointed out women receive lower wages because women in the work force are generally lower educated and younger, not because of their sex.

Men get higher sentences for the same crimes than women. Men pay higher insurance premiums than women do. I could go on and on about how men are being discriminated.

I'm not an anti-feminist but don't act like only women are being discriminated at! That only women are victims.

[eric922]

The amazing atheist is a right wing capitalist and a racist.

Therefore, this is getting moved to OI.

Since you are apparently a new user, I will only give you a warning not to post shit like this in the discrimination forum. Don't do it again.
Is he a capitalist? Yes. However, I have seen nothing in his videos in indicate racism. In fact he has called out white nationalists in on of his videos before, so I think you are off the mark in calling him a racist. As for right-wing, well he is a left wing bourgeois type, but I wouldn't consider him a right-wing like I do conservatives.

[khad]

Is he a capitalist? Yes. However, I have seen nothing in his videos in indicate racism. In fact he has called out white nationalists in on of his videos before, so I think you are off the mark in calling him a racist. As for right-wing, well he is a left wing bourgeois type, but I wouldn't consider him a right-wing like I do conservatives.
If you actually paid attention to that video, you'll notice he loves to to mention Iran every other sentence as a society where they mutilate women indiscriminately. Contrary to what you might believe, female genital mutilation is not practiced in Iran (apart from the people in the Kurdish hinterland, but they're a supposedly politically oppressed minority that America loves anyway, just as in Iraq).

This is just another example of a white man's racist ignorance, because in his mind all Muslim people from north Africa to central Asia are the same, and he cannot distinguish societies that practice FGM from those that do not.

So, that he opposed Nazis doesn't mean a damn thing. Even Tea Party fucks will oppose Nazis.

[scarletghoul]

Anyone with such a douchey username is going to be a racist and a sexist too. I've not bothered to watch any of his videos, but its not really surprising.

[Dr Mindbender]

Such misrepresentations of "girl power" are obviously patriarchal and reactionary in nature, taking those who go crazy and chop off their husband's penis or whatever to be commendable exceptions to the "weakness" that is inherent in the sex. It is sort of a reaction to feminism masquerading as feminism. Sharon Osbourne sucks.
Im perhaps playing devils advocate here but i'm not sure that was what TAA was implying. I think his point is more to do with the way in which the media are making LIGHT of the incident in question, and the double standard therein rather than anything to do with the incident having any relevance or stake in girl power.

Up to that point as i said, I'm in concurrence the media should not be making light of this sort of mutilation in any form. Nor do i see any inherent misogyny in questioning whether the content of the show in question should have been aired.

Where i diverge from him is that he fails to apply an honest material analysis in the context of the feminist movement and the unequal treatment women still face. Women are not yet on the level with men, but this sort of cringeworthy television is not the way to acheive it.


This is just another example of a white man's racist ignorance, because in his mind all Muslim people from north Africa to central Asia are the same, and he cannot distinguish societies that practice FGM from those that do not.
He said Iran, at no point did he mention Islam or the middle east. Just throwing that out there.

I dont think anyone can dispute that the Iranian state is a backwards, gay hating, woman hating reactionary enclave.

[khad]

I dont think anyone can dispute that the Iranian state is a backwards, gay hating, woman hating reactionary enclave.
His charge was quite specific with regards to female genital mutilation. Unless you back it up (and I'm not talking about some america-loving shithole in kurdistan), you're equally ignorant.


Anyone with such a douchey username is going to be a racist and a sexist too. I've not bothered to watch any of his videos, but its not really surprising.
You should have seen his rant on how Barack Obama is such a "vagina" that you'll see his picture if you turn to V in the dictionary.

He made sure to emphasize his full name, Barack Hussein Obama.

[Dr Mindbender]

His charge was quite specific with regards to female genital mutilation. Unless you back it up (and I'm not talking about some america-loving shithole in kurdistan), you're equally ignorant.
Im not talking about FGM in the context of this video or any other, you are accusing TAA of being a racist for making sweeping statements about the Islamic world in general. Maybe i'm just not 'listening between the lines' but i'm not getting that from this video.

What i got from it is he is saying this sort of thing is 'typical in Iran' because he said ''maybe this would happen in Iran''. I heard no absolutist language.

[khad]

Im not talking about FGM in the context of this video or any other, you are accusing TAA of being a racist for making sweeping statements about the Islamic world in general. Maybe i'm just not 'listening between the lines' but i'm not getting that from this video.
Well, I am. Overt, aggressive racism in the form of white nationalist skinheads is relatively uncommon in most liberal capitalist societies.

However, the racist power structure, the assumed "knowledge" about non-white people that goes unexamined and unchallenged is no less pervasive.

What i got from it is he is saying this sort of thing is 'typical in Iran' because he said ''maybe this would happen in Iran''. I heard no absolutist language.
Not saying that Iran isn't oppressive for women, but to think that Iranian society condones hooliganistic attacks on women in broad daylight is just the tea party Islamophobe speaking.

Ql_IUPICBG8

Maybe the Amazing Atheist would like to protest, "It's only sexism when a MAN does it!"

[ComradeMan]

His charge was quite specific with regards to female genital mutilation. Unless you back it up (and I'm not talking about some america-loving shithole in kurdistan), you're equally ignorant.

Your hypocrisy is just as ignorant. Iranian Kurdistan has been oppressed and bullied by Iran for a long time and, even if it is "some america (sic)-loving shithole", is it any surprise? No other bastard seems to give a fuck about them. Do you have any sources?

[khad]

Your hypocrisy is just as ignorant. Iranian Kurdistan has been oppressed and bullied by Iran for a long time and, even if it is "some america (sic)-loving shithole", is it any surprise? No other bastard seems to give a fuck about them. Do you have any sources?
And their role as clients has been quite useful. It's just a pattern that the USA tends to seek out the most reactionary forces in a given society to carry out their bidding, just as in Afghanistan.

In parts of Iraqi and Iranian Kurdistan, female genital mutilation is nearly universal.

But I don't even need to go to Kurdistan to make this point. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and all these Gulf states that enslave workers and treat women worse than the Iranian state--they all happen to be firm partners in the project of American democracy projection.

[ComradeMan]

And their role as clients has been quite useful. It's just a pattern that the USA tends to seek out the most reactionary forces in a given society to carry out their bidding, just as in Afghanistan.

In parts of Iraqi and Iranian Kurdistan, female genital mutilation is nearly universal.

So you're seriously going to argue that the Kurds are the most reactionary forces in Iran? :laugh: It's a little tricky really, isn't it?- Given the Iranian situation.

[Dr Mindbender]

Not saying that Iran isn't oppressive for women, but to think that Iranian society condones hooliganistic attacks on women in broad daylight is just the tea party Islamophobe speaking.
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According to your video, Iran allows financial out of court settlements in lieu of harsher punishments in the case of crimes like the one discussed.

Doesnt seem that Iran is doing all it could be to prevent or deter mysoginist and patriarchal violence.

I am not sure what point you are making here.

[khad]

According to your video, Iran allows financial out of court settlements in lieu of harsher punishments in the case of crimes like the one discussed.
And again you demonstrate your bias by interpreting the blood money law in the most inept way possible.

"Blood money," or the out of court settlement of which you speak, is only allowed if the victim formally pardons the attacker. It's an established legal procedure that is not in any way seen as a kind of cop out or underhanded deal. "Blood money" is even paid in damage cases over car crashes.

About a decade ago, religious minorities in Iran celebrated a law that guaranteed their right to equal blood money as Muslims. Equal blood money is also high on the agendas of women's rights activists in Iran; there have been legal steps toward this, but to my knowledge coverage isn't yet universal.

[RGacky3]

Anyone that defines their identity as atheist, like thats WHO they are, generally they have some serious baggage.

But this guy is a clown, he's just a pissed off dude that does'nt get laid.

[Dr Mindbender]

...... that does'nt get laid.
How the fuck is that last tidbit relevant?

[Dr Mindbender]

And again you demonstrate your bias by interpreting the blood money law in the most inept way possible.

"Blood money," or the out of court settlement of which you speak, is only allowed if the victim formally pardons the attacker. It's an established legal procedure that is not in any way seen as a kind of cop out or underhanded deal. "Blood money" is even paid in damage cases over car crashes.

About a decade ago, religious minorities in Iran celebrated a law that guaranteed their right to equal blood money as Muslims. Equal blood money is also high on the agendas of women's rights activists in Iran; there have been legal steps toward this, but to my knowledge coverage isn't yet universal.

The problem with the blood money law is that it gives people a precedence to commit consequence free crime as long as they can afford the financial settlement. Regarding the point about the pre requisite of pardoning, there is such a thing as harassment and intimidation. I do not think out of court solutions work in the case of serious or violent crime like this. Justice is not done if the perpetrator is free to walk and maim another day. This does not protect vulnerable people.

[khad]

The problem with the blood money law is that it gives people a precedence to commit consequence free crime as long as they can afford the financial settlement. Regarding the point about the pre requisite of pardoning, there is such a thing as harassment and intimidation. I do not think out of court solutions work in the case of serious or violent crime like this. Justice is not done if the perpetrator is free to walk and maim another day. This does not protect vulnerable people.
You're right, it doesn't, and that's why that woman demanded that her attacker be blinded, even when they did offer her the equivalent of $30,000 US.

[Dr Mindbender]

You're right, it doesn't, and that's why that woman demanded that her attacker be blinded, even when they did offer her the equivalent of $30,000 US.

I still fail to see how this is in anyway relevant or analogous to TAA video that is the subject of the opening post. Nobody is making light of this poor woman's state in the way that sharon osbourne and her trash TV cronies have been cackling about a man being castrated for asking for a divorce.

[khad]

I still fail to see how this is in anyway relevant or analogous to TAA video that is the subject of the opening post. Nobody is making light of this poor woman's state in the way that sharon osbourne and her trash TV cronies have been cackling about a man being castrated for asking for a divorce.
To bring it back to my original point, TAA speaks of Iran as a place where mutilating women is condoned (including, specifically, genital mutilation), because, like any ignorant racist, in his mind all the societies of the Middle East and North Africa constitute one giant, undifferentiated "Islamland."

[Weezer]

TheAmazingAtheist's channel is for comedy anyway. I wouldn't take everything he says seriously. He's also sort of a tool.

[Drosophila]

Great video. I agree with him totally. Fuck the View.

Or The Talk. Whatever it's called.

[Skooma Addict]

Sharon Osbourne is a crackhead

[Skooma Addict]

Anyone that defines their identity as atheist, like thats WHO they are, generally they have some serious baggage.


True. Same goes with feminist.

[Nox]

The amazing atheist is a right wing capitalist and a racist.

Therefore, this is getting moved to OI.

Since you are apparently a new user, I will only give you a warning not to post shit like this in the discrimination forum. Don't do it again.

Why shouldn't this be posted in the discrimination forum? It is about sexual discrimination :confused:

And how was I supposed to know he is a racist? I can't see into his brain, I am not aware of every single one of his personal beliefs :rolleyes:

[L.A.P.]

This is just another example of a white man's racist ignorance, because in his mind all Muslim people from north Africa to central Asia are the same, and he cannot distinguish societies that practice FGM from those that do not.

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I think it's a bit unfair to say he thinks all Muslim people are the same.

[khad]

Why shouldn't this be posted in the discrimination forum? It is about sexual discrimination :confused:

And how was I supposed to know he is a racist? I can't see into his brain, I am not aware of every single one of his personal beliefs :rolleyes:
Next time you post a video in the discrimination forum that drops "*****es" and "****s" with every other word, expressing a political viewpoint that you want others to support, you will be infracted. As many times as it takes.

You have been warned.

[Agent Ducky]

TheAmazingAtheist's channel is for comedy anyway. I wouldn't take everything he says seriously. He's also sort of a tool.

Except, I know this guy who seriously gets all of his political ideas from this guy's videos. It's really sad. This explains why him and his friends always say borderline sexist shit. >_<

[Nox]

"*****es" and "****s" every other word in the discrimination forum

Ok that's a fair point, I've never realised how much he swares in his videos


expressing a political viewpoint that you want others to support

What makes you think that? Just because I partially agree with what he said in the video, that doesn't mean I want others to support it. :rolleyes:



You have been warned.

:crying:

[RGacky3]

How the fuck is that last tidbit relevant?

It explains his attitude toward women, for example.

[cogar66]

It explains his attitude toward women, for example.

And how would you react if someone posted a pro-feminist video, and someone said "This girl just hates men because she can't get laid"? I imagine you'd decry the poster as sexist, correct? Which ironically supports TJ's point.

TJ's video is dumb, the comments are dumb and your response was dumb.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

"Men do not have to deal with their reproductive rights being under attack, are not blamed for getting raped because they dress in revealing clothing"

No instead men are not taken seriously when they claim they were raped. I suspect most everyone considers male rape of a female worse than female rape of a male, after all aren't males just horny so they actually want to be raped? When people hear of a story about a female High School student and a 40 year old male teacher having a sexual relation people consider it abhorrent, when it's a male student with a 40 year old female teacher many would respond "good for the kid".

How many men hit the gym because they are insecure about their appearance? I work out solely because I think women will like me better with abs. How often do you think men worry about their penis size? I'm actually scared a girl will think it's too small for her and cheat on me because she cannot get satisfaction from my size. Do you know how insecure it makes me when I and a mixed group are watching TV and a commercial with big muscled men and the girls go like "woooo!"? I will never have that kind of body or looks :crying: (and I will never be Italian). But when males are woo-ing at big breasted women they are denounced as "typical men".

What's any of that got to do with reproductive rights?

The point I was making is that, in patriarchy, men are generally held to be superior to women. You know, they are set up as the 'stronger sex' versus the 'weaker sex'.

As far as your points about body-image. Just think about this; if you're wearing pants, no one knows how big your penis is. If you're wearing a shirt; no one knows if you have well-defined abdominal muscles.


"do not systematically receive lower wages and fewer opportunities because of their genitals"

And neither do women, according to one study done by a Dutch sociologist I think. She pointed out women receive lower wages because women in the work force are generally lower educated and younger, not because of their sex.

That sociologist sounds like an idiot. Also, you'd have to ask yourself why women in the workforce would be lower-educated and younger, which would then mean that men are more highly-educated and older, i.e. superior. That is called patriarchy. Here is just one example that disproves that that was in the new recently (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/20/walmart-discrimination-suit-supreme-court-ruling-hurts-all-women.html):


Monday’s ruling didn’t really deal with the underlying evidence of pervasive discrimination at Walmart, which has been well documented both statistically and anecdotally. Women make up more than 70 percent of Walmart’s employees but only a third of its salaried managers, though women at the company have lower turnover rates and higher performance ratings than men. In her 2004 book Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Workers’ Rights at Walmart (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465023169/thedaibea-20/), the journalist Liza Featherstone wrote that women “earn less than their male counterparts in nearly every position at the company.” Women hired to do the same job as men start, on average, at 35 cents less per hour, and the gap widens from there. After five years, men make $1.16 more per hour than women hired at the same time. Frequently, women earn less than men they supervise.


Much of the reason for this lies in Walmart’s insular, patriarchal corporate culture, deeply rooted in northwestern Arkansas, where the company originated. Walmart’s managers tend to treat men as breadwinners, while acting as if women work for supplemental pin money. In court documents, one South Carolina employee, Detrix Young, reported that during a store meeting, a female co-worker asked why men in the company earn more than women. Men “are working as the heads of their households, while women are just working for the sake of working,” replied a male store manager. Another employee, a single mother named Ramona Scott from St. Petersburg, Florida, was told that men “are here to make a career and women aren’t. Retail is for housewives who just need to earn extra money.”


Men get higher sentences for the same crimes than women. Men pay higher insurance premiums than women do. I could go on and on about how men are being discriminated.

I'm not an anti-feminist but don't act like only women are being discriminated at! That only women are victims.

There is special cases and exceptions for everything, but looking at the general trends of society, it is a male-dominated, patriarchal one. Yes you are degraded by gender norms which tell you that to be a desirable man you have to be muscular and 'hung like a horse' or whatever, but that is part of men being held to be the 'stronger sex'. If you feel hopeless because you can't get big muscles, just think how women are made to feel about it. And look at how female body builders are largely looked at as monsters and freaks of nature while male body builders are idolized and looked up to.

[black magick hustla]

some white fuck with a neckbeard and long hair going off about how men are the victims etc, who is a libertarian, atheist, probably a "secular humanist", etc. why do people care about this asshole he is a walking internet cliche there is a billion AAs in the internet. fucking hell

[Meridian]

The point I was making is that, in patriarchy, men are generally held to be superior to women. You know, they are set up as the 'stronger sex' versus the 'weaker sex'.

And in feudalism, feudal lords are given privilege over serfs.

But something is missing from the statement, which I almost never see accompanying it...

[Tim Finnegan]

Anyone that defines their identity as atheist, like thats WHO they are, generally they have some serious baggage.
Yeah, there's a lot of these rightwing fuckwads who've adopted this posture of hyper-rationalism to distance themselves from the more obviously cretinous reactionaries, while at the same time asking you to overlook their thoroughly Victorian attitudes towards women, people of colour, the poor, queer people, or whatever other minority groups they do not happen to personally be a part of. The logic seems to be that over-stressing your own atheism allows you an endless supply of "get out of being called on your irrational bullshit free" cards.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

And in feudalism, feudal lords are given privilege over serfs.

But something is missing from the statement, which I almost never see accompanying it...

You're begging the question.

[RGacky3]

And how would you react if someone posted a pro-feminist video, and someone said "This girl just hates men because she can't get laid"? I imagine you'd decry the poster as sexist, correct? Which ironically supports TJ's point.


since when do pro-feminist people have men?

Anyway, that comment was'nt ment to be taken seriously.

[eric922]

I think TJ is funny at times and he occasionally makes decent points in regards to religion and the Republican right, however I've always found him sexist.

[cogar66]

since when do pro-feminist people have men?

Anyway, that comment was'nt ment to be taken seriously.

They don't, of course, but that's the stereotype. The man-hating lesbian feminist. I also don't believe TJ hates women, he just has a poor grasp of what feminism actually is.

[Franz Fanonipants]

gulag anyone who posts aa videos

[ComradeMan]

some white fuck

If the person in question where not white, would it be acceptable to say some "black/brown/yellow fuck..." ?

Just asking...

[RGacky3]

some white fuck

Whats just as silly as someone making his identity out of being an atheist, is someone making their identiy out of being black, or hispanic, or whatever.

[Franz Fanonipants]

If the person in question where not white, would it be acceptable to say some "black/brown/yellow fuck..." ?

Just asking...

this is the worst fucking part of being on a forum with europeans

[RGacky3]

Really? The video had nothing to do with race, yet this person felt the need to bring out "this white fuck" (Obviously there is a difference considering the historical position of power the white ruling class has had over other people, and imperialism and so on), but its just stupid and unneccessary and frankly weakens your argument when you start bringing race into things that simply have nothing to do with race.

If the Amazing Atheist was Black it would still be just as stupid.

[Franz Fanonipants]

If the Amazing Atheist was Black it would still be just as stupid.

mat'l conditions tying race to class in America comrade, the AA would NEVER be black.

e. i mean i guess he could, but real talk it would be pretty unlikely

[ComradeMan]

this is the worst fucking part of being on a forum with europeans

Said in the true spirit of internationalism....

What? People trying not to sound like bigotted racists?

[RGacky3]

mat'l conditions tying race to class in America comrade, the AA would NEVER be black.

e. i mean i guess he could, but real talk it would be pretty unlikely

We are talking about the Amazing Atheist being anti-feminist ..... real talk. Again, this had nothing to do with being white or black.

[ComradeMan]

We are talking about the Amazing Atheist being anti-feminist ..... real talk. Again, this had nothing to do with being white or black.

:thumbup1:

There's no need to bring someone's race into a critical attack. It's always wrong and it's always racist. If some is being an asshole what does it matter their race? It doesn't- therefore to make the race a part of the insult is suspiciously racist.

[cogar66]

It's only racist when white people do it. ;)