Bill Maher: Vaccines are harmful

[Coggeh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPrLCIoxe8Y
Jesus christ, coming from the maker of religious who prides himself on being "educated" and that science is brilliant comes out with this crap. Confusing inoculation and vaccination and also listing ingredients in vaccines that would sound extremely harmful to "lay" people in terms of scientific knowledge.

Also he brings on a republican senator who actually disagrees with him and supports vaccinations. You know you have a problem when you have to be thought something in science by a bloody republican :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5DLf1Qt78&feature=related

What a grade A idiot! his show in my opinion should be bloody banned for scaremongering

[#FF0000]

wow bill maher is dumb as shit but to go off topic for a minute is it just me or does every person on that panel look like a tremendous shiteater

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

He's been on to this sort of hippie-things for years and raved on about vaccines like he was Rosa.

[thesadmafioso]

Well then, I would of expected better than that of Maher. The moment he said "western medicine" I just gave up on his argument entirely.

[Sensible Socialist]

Are we really expecting more from someone like Bill Maher?

[Ocean Seal]

While vaccinations are in my opinion in excess and coming to children at too young an age, this really shows that Mahr is nothing more than a poorly functioning pothead with a weak understanding of science, and is really quite irrational in believing everything that he hears.

[thesadmafioso]

Are we really expecting more from someone like Bill Maher?

More than questioning the legitimacy of modern medicine? I expect that of most citizens of the developed world who have been exposed to the proper channels of education. Politically I don't expect much of Maher, but this is well beyond political sensibility.

[Sensible Socialist]

More than questioning the legitimacy of modern medicine? I expect that of most citizens of the developed world who have been exposed to the proper channels of education. Politically I don't expect much of Maher, but this is well beyond political sensibility.
He's in it for the money. The more outlandish things he says, the more people pay attention to him. If he hadn't said these things, there wouldn't be a topic here now.

[thesadmafioso]

He's in it for the money. The more outlandish things he says, the more people pay attention to him. If he hadn't said these things, there wouldn't be a topic here now.

A valid point sadly enough. I can't say I was really viewing these comments through the lens of the capitalistic entertainer so much as I was that of a political commentator. Though it still doesn't excuse him from such irrational tendencies.

[Princess Luna]

For some reason Youtube isn't working for me so i can't watch the video, but if Maher is really saying Vaccines are bad i can say is

What

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fuck

While i am not exactly a fan of Penn and teller, they did a great anology for why the anti-vaccine movement is stupid
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[KC]

While vaccinations are in my opinion in excess and coming to children at too young an age

WTF are you even talking about?

[piet11111]

Penn and teller are quite good and i recall they also once had praise for Engels (leaving out marx) but i can not recall what that was about.

[Rss]

I didn't take swine flu vaccine and here I am, without any narcoleptic symptons. Almost hundred people here had their lives ruined by narcolepsia after getting swine shots.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I didn't take swine flu vaccine and here I am, without any narcoleptic symptons. Almost hundred people here had their lives ruined by narcolepsia after getting swine shots.

Without knowing how many people had taken the vaccine in the first place, I'm not sure whether what you mentioned is at all significant. We need data, not anecdotes!

What's also interesting is that the narcoleptic symptoms appear to be confined to Scandinavia, suggesting that the blame lies with something else rather than the virus itself. The causative agent may not even be in the vaccine itself.

[Rss]

Without knowing how many people had taken the vaccine in the first place, I'm not sure whether what you mentioned is at all significant. We need data, not anecdotes!

Well, we know that that at least two million finns were inoculated against swine flu immediately because they were group which was at biggest risk. Diabetics, people with heart condition, people with neurological diseases, that sort of things. So yes, it is quite insignificant group which was negatively affected. I knew that side-effects were very, very rare, but still decided against it. I didn't have much contact with large crowds at that time.


What's also interesting is that the narcoleptic symptoms appear to be confined to Scandinavia, suggesting that the blame lies with something else rather than the virus itself. The causative agent may not even be in the vaccine itself.

But it has to be at least some kind of trigger. According National Institute for Health and Welfare, inoculated child is nine times more likely to get narcolepsy than without it. They are recommending suspending the use of Pandemrix to continue further investigation.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Well, we know that that at least two million finns were inoculated against swine flu immediately because they were group which was at biggest risk. Diabetics, people with heart condition, people with neurological diseases, that sort of things. So yes, it is quite insignificant group which was negatively affected. I knew that side-effects were very, very rare, but still decided against it. I didn't have much contact with large crowds at that time.

That doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not you were in a group considered to be at significant risk.


But it has to be at least some kind of trigger. According National Institute for Health and Welfare, inoculated child is nine times more likely to get narcolepsy than without it. They are recommending suspending the use of Pandemrix to continue further investigation.

For certain groups the risk of complications from swine flu infection will have been much greater than the risk of contracting narcolepsy, especially if the risk of narcolepsy in the first place is vanishingly small.

[pastradamus]

I didn't take swine flu vaccine and here I am, without any narcoleptic symptons. Almost hundred people here had their lives ruined by narcolepsia after getting swine shots.

Well, there is always a reason for this. Firstly, I imagine (I could be wrong) that you are a young person who has a somewhat decent immune system and would be at the lower risk side of things as opposed to an elderly person with a depleted immune system who could easily pick up the virus - this is probably the main reason you didnt contract the disease.

Secondly, the whole narcoleptic side of things dosent hold that much water seeing as the sharp rise in narcolepsia had occured in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people in scandanavia.

More than 36 million H1N1 vaccines were given out accross Europe and this helped to save lives. Its very unfortunate that some people possibly may have contracted this illness from this source but the good far outweighs the bad and we would have had a lot more dead people on our hands having gone without the vaccine.

Basically, if it has side-effects like has been claimed its still worth handing out as we dont have a better alternative on our hands that can be so life-saving.

[Coggeh]

Well, we know that that at least two million finns were inoculated against swine flu immediately because they were group which was at biggest risk. Diabetics, people with heart condition, people with neurological diseases, that sort of things. So yes, it is quite insignificant group which was negatively affected. I knew that side-effects were very, very rare, but still decided against it. I didn't have much contact with large crowds at that time.



But it has to be at least some kind of trigger. According National Institute for Health and Welfare, inoculated child is nine times more likely to get narcolepsy than without it. They are recommending suspending the use of Pandemrix to continue further investigation.
I'm sorry but who gives a damn if some people may have developed narcolepsy because of the vaccine. Swine flu was a new and quite serious form of the influenza virus, also its tendency to mutate was seen as a serious threat by the scientific community. 14,286 have died so far because of it (twice the number that died from sars) (nearly 5 times the number that died in September 11th. The Swine flu vaccine was an extremely successful vaccine for the how quickly it was produced and its effectiveness.
on the safety of the vaccine tests showed that it had virtually the same amount of side effects as a regular seasonal flu vaccine:


In an initial clinical trial in Australia, non-serious adverse events were reported by about half of the 240 people vaccinated, with these events including tenderness and pain at the site of injection, headache, malaise, and muscle pain.[65] Two people had more severe events, with a much longer spell of nausea, muscle pain and malaise that lasted several days. The authors stated that the frequency and severity of these adverse events were similar to those normally seen with seasonal influenza vaccines.[65] A second trial involved 2,200 people ranging from 3 to 77 years of age.[69] In this study no patients reported serious adverse events, with the most commonly observed events being pain at the injection site and fever, which occurred in 10-25% of people.[69] Although this trial followed up patients individually, the Government has been criticized for relying on voluntary reporting for post-vaccination evaluation in other circumstances, since this is "unlikely to accurately measure the percentage of people who get adverse effect".[11]

As of 19 November 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) said that 65 million doses of vaccine had been administered and that it had a similar safety profile to the seasonal flu vaccine, with no significant differences in the adverse events produced by the different types of vaccine.[70] There has been one report of an adverse event per 10,000 doses of vaccine, with only five percent of these adverse events being serious, an overall rate of serious events of one in 200,000 doses.[70]

Also 2 million finns were vaccinated and their has been so far 8 reported cases of narcolepsy in related to people who are vaccinated. You do the math, i'm on epilepsy medication and i've a 1 in 10,000 chance of developing narcolepsy. That means if you get the vaccine (from pandemrix which is already being blacklisted in many countries) you have based on current figures a 0.00039999999999999996% chance you developing narolepsy. If you have epilepsy and take medication you have a 0.01% of developing it. But i'm not losing any sleep(pun intended).

[Rss]

Secondly, the whole narcoleptic side of things dosent hold that much water seeing as the sharp rise in narcolepsia had occured in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people in scandanavia.

Hm, could you provide a source for this? I'm interested.

Now, I'm not opposed to swine shots. My intentions were just to play a little devil's advocate in this, because I had some arguments with certain people about this subject. Hurr durr vaccines to control sheeple and all that.

[pastradamus]

Hm, could you provide a source for this? I'm interested.

Now, I'm not opposed to swine shots. My intentions were just to play a little devil's advocate in this, because I had some arguments with certain people about this subject. Hurr durr vaccines to control sheeple and all that.

From the BBC:

A possible connection between the swine flu vaccine and the illness first came to light in Finland.
Finland and other Scandinavian countries have reported a general rise in cases of narcolepsy - in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people - but the cause has not been established.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12390540

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I'm sorry but who gives a damn if some people may have developed narcolepsy because of the vaccine. Swine flu was a new and quite serious form of the influenza virus, also its tendency to mutate was seen as a serious threat by the scientific community. 14,286 have died so far because of it (twice the number that died from sars) (nearly 5 times the number that died in September 11th. The Swine flu vaccine was an extremely successful vaccine for the how quickly it was produced and its effectiveness.
on the safety of the vaccine tests showed that it had virtually the same amount of side effects as a regular seasonal flu vaccine:


There has been quite a lot of nonsense that supposedly the threat was exaggerated, but and I think this is very disturbing for the future; because of how volatile and quickly influenza viruses can mutate, one can never be certain of the end result and actual threat and severity, and therefore the swine flu epidemic - as opposed to SARS, which was always a less serious threat - can be viewed as a serious test of how the world would react to a serious viral threat with a higher mortality - i.e. future mutation of H5N1/H7/H9 etc variants, which is as much a threat now as ever. Because one can not be sure on how it all will play out in the end, it is good to treat it as a very serious situation even if at the moment might not be very menacing.

The fact that medical companies raked in profits and used a serious situation to benefit is also not an argument against this, because this is simply the natural workings of capitalism, unfortunately, and it would be very strange if they were not using the situation for profit; but it sure isn't something that means we should take lightly the very real threat of serious pandemics, or to oppose wide vaccination programs to thwart the deaths of millions, maybe hundreds of millions.

[piet11111]

Have they actually expanded their vaccine producing capacity ?