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Princess Luna
18th July 2011, 20:15
Some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals and is found exclusively in people outside Africa, according to an international team of researchers led by Damian Labuda of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Montreal and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center. The research was published in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution.
This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred, says Dr. Labuda. His team places the timing of such intimate contacts and/or family ties early on, probably at the crossroads of the Middle East.
Neanderthals, whose ancestors left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago, evolved in what is now mainly France, Spain, Germany and Russia, and are thought to have lived until about 30,000 years ago. Meanwhile, early modern humans left Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago. The question on everyones mind has always been whether the physically stronger Neanderthals, who possessed the gene for language and may have played the flute, were a separate species or could have interbred with modern humans. The answer is yes, the two lived in close association.
In addition, because our methods were totally independent of Neanderthal material, we can also conclude that previous results were not influenced by contaminating artifacts, adds Dr. Labuda.
Dr. Labuda and his team almost a decade ago had identified a piece of DNA (called a haplotype) in the human X chromosome that seemed different and whose origins they questioned. When the Neanderthal genome was sequenced in 2010, they quickly compared 6000 chromosomes from all parts of the world to the Neanderthal haplotype. The Neanderthal sequence was present in peoples across all continents, except for sub-Saharan Africa, and including Australia.
There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating with our ancestors and Neanderthals. This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details, says Dr. Nick Patterson, of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University, a major researcher in human ancestry who was not involved in this study.
Dr. Labuda and his colleagues were the first to identify a genetic variation in non-Africans that was likely to have come from an archaic population. This was done entirely without the Neanderthal genome sequence, but in light of the Neanderthal sequence, it is now clear that they were absolutely right! adds Dr. David Reich, a Harvard Medical School geneticist, one of the principal researchers in the Neanderthal genome project.
So, speculates Dr. Labuda, did these exchanges contribute to our success across the world? Variability is very important for long-term survival of a species, says Dr. Labuda. Every addition to the genome can be enriching. An interesting match, indeed.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/578697/?sc=dwhr&xy=5013363

Property Is Robbery
18th July 2011, 20:30
Post this on storm front :D

L.A.P.
18th July 2011, 20:31
Post it on Stormfront.

EDIT: Damn you, property is robbery.

Stormfront members will be stupid enough to feel insulted by this even though the only insulting thing about deriving from a neanderthal is how the word has become a derogatory term.

Ocean Seal
18th July 2011, 20:34
I think this is a duplicate thread, as I've seen something similar formerly on this forum. In any case I'm sure the stormfronters will be up in arms when they hear it.

GPDP
18th July 2011, 20:52
Obviously a conspiracy from black-loving Jews, no doubt!

Seriously, though, this is amazing. This means sub-Saharan Africans are the purest of our species. Not that it matters, of course, but it sure does throw a wrench in the whole White Master Race schlock!

Rafiq
20th July 2011, 06:08
I don't think there's such a thing as one human being purer than another...

Princess Luna
20th July 2011, 06:46
I don't think there's such a thing as one human being purer than another...
You may be right because neanderthals were also human, however its possible people of sub-Saharan African decent may be the purist homo sapians , which of course doesn't make them better or worse than anybody else.

agnixie
20th July 2011, 19:30
This is terribly misleading, considering that neanderthals also lived in parts of Africa next to homo sapiens.

Welshy
20th July 2011, 22:29
This is terribly misleading, considering that neanderthals also lived in parts of Africa next to homo sapiens.

Later in the article they say specifically Sub-Saharan Africans, so that would exclude North Africans whose ancestors would have come in contact with Neanderthals in both North Africa and the Middle East. So it would be the title that's misleading.

Rafiq
20th July 2011, 22:45
You may be right because neanderthals were also human, however its possible people of sub-Saharan African decent may be the purist homo sapians , which of course doesn't make them better or worse than anybody else.

Perhaps I could understand that.

However, I don't think that's productive, even to show that to people on Stormfront.

Discoveries regarding 'Racial pureness' is the least thing White supremacists need.

agnixie
20th July 2011, 23:55
Later in the article they say specifically Sub-Saharan Africans, so that would exclude North Africans whose ancestors would have come in contact with Neanderthals in both North Africa and the Middle East. So it would be the title that's misleading.

Except the region where humans migrated from is also pretty close to this (somewhere in Kenya or Ethiopia)

Welshy
21st July 2011, 00:41
Except the region where humans migrated from is also pretty close to this (somewhere in Kenya or Ethiopia)

I looked it up a bit and I can't find anything that shows neanderthals being in North Africa. Though they are found in areas very close it it, Northern Middle east and southern Spain. So its very possible that the populations in Northern Africa got their Neanderthal genes from populations migrating from the middle east or possible from Spain (though I don't know of any migrations from there).

Here are maps of the areas Neanderthals inhabited
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Range_of_Homo_neanderthalensis.png

So this is quite a bit of space in between Neanderthals and where modern humans migrated from. So I don't know how this is misleading.

ÑóẊîöʼn
21st July 2011, 15:08
I don't think there's such a thing as one human being purer than another...

Indeed. "purity" with regards to genetics makes no sense, since every organisms' DNA is a hodgepodge of new and old stuff, which thanks to horizontal gene transfer may include stuff from other organisms including bacteria and viruses.

I've also heard that even if one looks whiter than white, one can still have a surprising amount of distinctly "non-white" relations and ancestors.

So much for purity.

GPDP
21st July 2011, 20:46
Obviously my comment about purity was tongue-in-cheek. Like I said, this makes not one iota of difference. I just find it interesting to know that we do indeed have Neanderthal genes, and that there are people who do not. Like I said, it throws a wrench into the whole White Supremacist bollocks.

ÑóẊîöʼn
21st July 2011, 23:07
Obviously my comment about purity was tongue-in-cheek. Like I said, this makes not one iota of difference. I just find it interesting to know that we do indeed have Neanderthal genes, and that there are people who do not. Like I said, it throws a wrench into the whole White Supremacist bollocks.

I did realise you weren't entirely serious, and my point about "purity" could just as well be made about the typical racist conception of it.

Blake's Baby
22nd July 2011, 02:35
I think this is a duplicate thread, as I've seen something similar formerly on this forum...

Yeah, it was here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/you-guys-all-t134828/index.html?t=134828&highlight=you%27re+neanderthals

I think we pretty much done it to death a year or so ago...