GOP Presidential 'Hopefuls'

[Social-Murphy]

Can someone give me some instances where the GOP Presidential hopefuls would harm this country if they beat Obama? Most of my family and friends are Christian Conservative Republicans and dont listen to what I say but if others give me an idea of what to say, they may listen a bit more. Any info would be helpful. :)

[Shropshire Socialist]

Restriction of abortion rights, homosexual rights, more protectionist and isolationist. Will that do?

[smashcapital]

Because they want to adopt a bunch of failed strategies. They want more tax cuts for the super rich to create jobs, which they have had since the Bush era and that hasn't worked. It has just led to the super rich accumulating more money at the top and led to an increasing wealth gap. They also seem to argue that deregulation would create more jobs, which will only end up harming the environment and we all saw how well deregulating the banks did which was probably a leading factor in the current economic situation. They do not want to fix the tax loopholes or subsidies which the corporations use to their benefit. Hey, they like it when companies like G.E. pay no taxes and the taxpayers give them 3.5 billion dollars just to have the priveledge of them operating here. Then their spending cuts will attack social security, medicare, and other social programs which will only hurt the people who need the most help. Forget cutting the military budget though. Basically only the most rich would benefit from them being in power and everyone else will suffer from a continued decrease in their living standards. On a plus note though, if they were to win it would probably get your more average person to be more outspoken or willing to take action against them after a year or two of their policies. Excluding your hard core right wingers though who would find something else to blame it on, they're good at being delusional.

[Sensible Socialist]

There are two types of GOP candidates. First, you have a group who blabber and make headlines with their insanse and ridiculous statements. They include Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Trump when he was "running," and a few others. If elected, they wouldn't be much worse than Obama. In short, their bark is worse than their bite. For all of Bachmann's homophobic statements, there is only so much she could do as President to restrict gay rights. And considering the state of affairs, she would be trashed by her own party if she focused solely on that, instead of the economy, foreign policy, etc. I'll probably throw my vote for one of these types (I'm leaning toward Bachmann) just for the hell of it. That is unless a decent socialist candidate makes the ballot.

In the second GOP group, there are truly dangerous individuals. These are people that would ruthlessly put in place an even more violent and devastating agenda than President Obama and would harm workers at an even greater rate. You have people like Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and (very dangerous) Rick Perry. One of these men (leaning toward Perry) is probably a sociopath. These are dangerous people and must not be elected.

As for actual policy, it wouldn't be too different than Obama. It would be called different, sure, but look at Obama. He has the record of a solid conservative: more wars, lower corporate taxes and more tax breaks, less corporate responsibility, etc. He's as far pro-business as you can go. The only difference is he acts like he is opposed to the things Republicans want to do.

In any case, I don't think anyone on the left should vote for Obama simply to keep a GOP candidate out.

[Social-Murphy]

This info should get me through a debate or two so thanks. And i feel people on the left should vote for Obama because hes the closest thing to a socialist we have in running right now. I think his second term will usher in a period of great changes that he couldnt do while worrying about being re-elected. But thank you all for your info, now ill just need to go spark a debate. :lol:

[RedHal]

Trash this thread!

[Ocean Seal]

Can someone give me some instances where the GOP Presidential hopefuls would harm this country if they beat Obama? Most of my family and friends are Christian Conservative Republicans and dont listen to what I say but if others give me an idea of what to say, they may listen a bit more. Any info would be helpful. :)
To be honest, not many places. Romney is essentially Obama. I wouldn't hold my breath for any of these candidates. Let Obama fight his own battles, were not on his side.

[The Douche]

This info should get me through a debate or two so thanks. And i feel people on the left should vote for Obama because hes the closest thing to a socialist we have in running right now. I think his second term will usher in a period of great changes that he couldnt do while worrying about being re-elected. But thank you all for your info, now ill just need to go spark a debate. :lol:

You think corporate bailouts, increased military intervention, and reduced taxes on the wealthy are in some way close to socialism?

[wunderbar]

and i feel people on the left should vote for obama because hes the closest thing to a socialist we have in running right now. I think his second term will usher in a period of great changes that he couldnt do while worrying about being re-elected.

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[Sensible Socialist]

This info should get me through a debate or two so thanks. And i feel people on the left should vote for Obama because hes the closest thing to a socialist we have in running right now.
President Obama is about as close to being a socialist as Stephen Hawking being a long-distance runner.



I think his second term will usher in a period of great changes that he couldnt do while worrying about being re-elected

He spent the past three years worrying about being re-elected?

[Catmatic Leftist]

This guy sounds like a newbie. I think we should give him a chance; maybe a little time in OI might be necessary if he doesn't seem to budge, but he seems like he's new to the revolutionary left. I know I made a few ignorant comments when I first came here.

[RedSquare]

This info should get me through a debate or two so thanks. And i feel people on the left should vote for Obama because hes the closest thing to a socialist we have in running right now. I think his second term will usher in a period of great changes that he couldnt do while worrying about being re-elected. But thank you all for your info, now ill just need to go spark a debate. :lol:

Wow, you guys are really far away from a socialist state then.

[Social-Murphy]

yes i am new, VERY new. lol i didn't realize people here had such a bad reaction to Obama.
But id just rather have Obama then ANY of the GOP members wanting to win the election. And i think its crazy not to assume that ANY president who was in his first term as president wouldn't worry about re-election, its kind of common sense.
But please dont hold anything i say against me till i have my RevLeft legs would ya? lol

[RemoveYourChains]

Can someone give me some instances where the GOP Presidential hopefuls would harm this country if they beat Obama? Most of my family and friends are Christian Conservative Republicans and dont listen to what I say but if others give me an idea of what to say, they may listen a bit more. Any info would be helpful. :)

They're all [email protected] While one could make the argument that Obama is a "lesser evil", the differences on the balance don't amount to much. Additionally, I would make the case that Social-Democrat type politics (though I wouldn't say Obama is even a "Social-Democrat" - he's more a Clintonite than anything else) only serve to act as life-support for capitalism...which on the balance is a bad thing.

It could could be argued both the U.S. (and the world) would be better off with a crack-pot neo-Reaganite as President, along with a Republican Congress. They would so alienate an already suffering public that it would be a sobering environment for the zombified proletariat.

I've often said that the "New Deal" was one of the worst things to happen in America - it gutted much of the base of the radicalism that had begun to grow momentum in the U.S. during the Great Depression.

[thesadmafioso]

When you look at the front runners of the Republican field, it is really hard to make substantial differentiations between them and Obama. Sure, they don't have the shallow facade of grassroots support that Obama's massive campaign is striving to maintain, but beyond the ascetics involved there really are few notable differences of policy between the likely GOP candidate and Obama. You are really just looking at the trappings of a sprawling PR campaign, don't confuse any of it for actual politics.

Honestly, don't waste your breath arguing on behalf of Obama regardless of what justification you choose to use, he has a plethora of wealthy donors and corporations to buy his own damned votes. There is hardly a redeeming quality in the feckless re-branded cowardice of Obama and the Democratic Party which should make any self respecting socialist even consider supporting his candidacy or presidency in any discernible way.

[Martin Blank]

Go to www.csmonitor.com. They've been doing interviews and analyses of each of the 2012 GOP presidential candidates.

[piet11111]

At least the republicans have the decency to tell you that your getting fucked.

[The Douche]

yes i am new, VERY new. lol i didn't realize people here had such a bad reaction to Obama.
But id just rather have Obama then ANY of the GOP members wanting to win the election. And i think its crazy not to assume that ANY president who was in his first term as president wouldn't worry about re-election, its kind of common sense.
But please dont hold anything i say against me till i have my RevLeft legs would ya? lol

Nobody is "holding what you say against you". When you say something like "Obama is closer to socialism than other candidates", you're making a statement which is incompatible with revolutionary politics, what we're doing is questioning your assertion show that you can demonstrate why you think it is correct and a discussion can come from it so we can all learn something.

You think Obama should be re-elected and that it represents something positive for the working class if he is. I think Obama is a capitalist, an imperialist, a reactionary, and the enemy of the world working class. I think this because he has used his position to ensure corporate profits and launch military actions all around the world.