Greetings, Comrades - My Introduction

[Comintern1919]

Good day, fellow Comrades :hammersickle:!

My name is Lukas B., I'm 18 Years old, and from Germany.

I am a Marxist-Leninist, am strongly against Stalinism and Maoism, the only reason I'd like the USSR back is cause it was one of the last nation that could stop american imperialism.

I'm a great admirer of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, and he is the one who most inspires me, but I also acknowledge that he was not perfect, and made many mistakes. The same goes for Fidel Castro. I consider Cuba one, if not the, most socialist country :cubaflag: (I just love that there is a cuban flag here ^_^). Oh, and I looove cigars, especially cuban cigars! And cuban rum.

I'm absolutly no fan of North Korea, not only that Kim Jong-Il and his Father are extremly, well, ugly, and their silly personality cult, the Korean people are supressed, which is the complet opposite of what communism wants, Freedom and equality.

Even though I'm german, I can perfectly speak english, or at least not worse than some americans...

At the moment, I'm going to school. I'm learning "Erzieher", you'd probably call it "Teacher" (Google Translator say's so, too), it isn't exactly that however. A "Erzieher" is someone who works with (mostly young) children, and after school I'm gonna work in a Kindergarten. I just love children, Most of my time I spend with children, be it my brother, or babysitting, or working voluntary in a Kindergarten, I love spending time with them, teaching and playing. (Please DON'T think anything wrong, I hate it when people misinterpret that just because I'm male! That shouldn't mean I can't say it, right? If females say it, everyone say's "Typicall women.", If a male say's it, most go like "How can you, you perverted ass!".).

Well then, my friends, hope I can share my opinions with you!

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

You should remove your specific location details, and assuming that is you in your avatar, you should remove that too.

[a rebel]

Nice to meet a fellow comrade who isnt a degenerate such as myself. Welcome

[thefinalmarch]

I'm Marxist-Leninist, strongly against Stalinism and Maoism
I don't think you quite know what Marxism-Leninism is, in that case. 'Marxism-Leninism' is just another term for "Stalinism". Basic tenets of Marxism-Leninism include 'Socialism In One Country' and a myriad of other unimportant crap. Maoism is derived from Marxism-Leninism/"Stalinism", hence its full name: 'Marxism-Leninism-Maoism'.

If you mean you simply agree with the ideas and the analysis of Lenin [and not Stalin, Mao, etc.], then you should refrain from calling yourself a 'Marxist-Leninist' (instead you should probably call just yourself a 'Leninist'), as the term 'Marxism-Leninism' has a specific meaning in historical context (it was basically just invented by Stalin in an attempt to legitimize the state ideology of the USSR).


and the only reason I'd like the USSR back is 'cause it was one of the last nation that could stop american imperialism.
I disagree with you here. Otherwise, welcome to Revleft.

[RichardAWilson]

Greetings from the United States. I happen to agree with you concerning the U.S.S.R. At least it did counter U.S. Imperialism (Cuba being a wonderful example).

I'm glad you like children and you're cool with them. I like children: I just don't have the patience to handle them. - I'm 26 and childless.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

welcome, and remember, tendancy wars are bad, so you really shouldn't be anything too specific :)

[Commissar Rykov]

welcome, and remember, tendancy wars are bad, so you really shouldn't be anything too specific :)

Tendency wars are the fuel for the engine of Revleft.:lol:

Welcome to the boards! I hope you enjoy your stay.

[Comintern1919]

You should remove your specific location details, and assuming that is you in your avatar, you should remove that too.

Well, I changed it now. I thought about it, and think now, you may be right.




I don't think you quite know what Marxism-Leninism is, in that case. 'Marxism-Leninism' is just another term for "Stalinism". Basic tenets of Marxism-Leninism include 'Socialism In One Country' and a myriad of other unimportant crap. Maoism is derived from Marxism-Leninism/"Stalinism", hence its full name: 'Marxism-Leninism-Maoism'.

If you mean you simply agree with the ideas and the analysis of Lenin [and not Stalin, Mao, etc.], then you should refrain from calling yourself a 'Marxist-Leninist' (instead you should probably call just yourself a 'Leninist'), as the term 'Marxism-Leninism' has a specific meaning in historical context (it was basically just invented by Stalin in an attempt to legitimize the state ideology of the USSR).

Ö_ö Okay, that I have never heard! I know TONS of people who call themselves Marxist-Leninist, and don't like Stalinism and Maoism, I bet many on this Forum are. I think what you wrote is complete nonsense.

Stalin wasn't a thinker, he used M-L for his power-hungry ambitions. That doesn't mean it's bad. Many communist critical of Stalin called themselves M-L. And what else, except the name, would be the different between Marxism-Leninism and Leninism? That's just stupid.

Quote from wikipedia.org:
"Whether Stalin's practices actually followed the principles of Karl Marx and Lenin is still a subject of debate among historians and political scientists. Trotskyists in particular believe that Stalinism contradicted authentic Marxism and Leninism, and they initially used the term "Bolshevik–Leninism" to describe their own ideology of anti-Stalinist (and later anti-Maoist) communism.
The term "Marxism–Leninism" is most often used by those who believe that Lenin's legacy was successfully carried forward by Joseph Stalin (Stalinists). However, it is also used by some who repudiate Stalin, such as the supporters of Nikita Khrushchev."





I'm glad you like children and you're cool with them. I like children: I just don't have the patience to handle them. - I'm 26 and childless.

You don't have to ^_^. I can perfectly understand people who say they're annoyed by children. I am often, too! I just happen to like and enjoy it ^_^ . There's nothing more beautiful than to see happy childs. And it's just great when they are happy to see you and ask "when are you coming back?". Knowing that there are someone who like you, regardless of your Money, you flaws, your mistakes. The love, hapiness, the smile of a child are the only things in the whole world that's pure.

[thefinalmarch]

Ö_ö Okay, that I have never heard! I know TONS of people who call themselves Marxist-Leninist, and don't like Stalinism and Maoism, I bet many on this Forum are. I think what you wrote is complete nonsense.

Stalin wasn't a thinker, he used M-L for his power-hungry ambitions. That doesn't mean it's bad. Many communist critical of Stalin called themselves M-L. And what else, except the name, would be the different between Marxism-Leninism and Leninism? That's just stupid.

Everyone else on this forum who labels themselves a 'Marxist-Leninist' (and every other self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist I've known) does so knowing that the term is widely understood to be in reference to either the official state ideology of the Soviet Union during the period of Stalin's rule, or in reference to the specific analysis and political positions of Uncle Jo (despite his comparatively small volume of theoretical work). Obviously, there is quite an overlap between the two.


Quote from wikipedia.org:
"[...]However, it is also used by some who repudiate Stalin, such as the supporters of Nikita Khrushchev."
These people are obviously in the minority, as even the specific wording of the quoted text implies.

[Comintern1919]

Everyone else on this forum who labels themselves a 'Marxist-Leninist' (and every other self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist I've known) does so knowing that the term is widely understood to be in reference to either the official state ideology of the Soviet Union during the period of Stalin's rule...

Really? As much as I have read so far, most don't. If I talk about the USSR, I never call them M-L, but Stalinists. And if Stalin created that term or not, doesn't matter, it's what it is about, that matters.



These people are obviously in the minority, as even the specific wording of the quoted text implies.

May I ask where you are from? Because most of the communists I know, in germany and many other european nations, who call themselves M-L, are against Stalinism. Maybe it's different where you are coming from? But here in Germany there is a clear differentiation between Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism.

[Landsharks eat metal]

Hi, welcome. Glad you're here.

[thefinalmarch]

May I ask where you are from? Because most of the communists I know, in germany and many other european nations, who call themselves M-L, are against Stalinism. Maybe it's different where you are coming from? But here in Germany there is a clear differentiation between Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism.
Australia. Basically nearly all individuals and parties from at least the anglophone countries (as well as many other countries) who label themselves as MLs always uphold Stalin (and often Mao). It could very well be different in Germany, but you are the first Marxist-Leninist I've seen in a long time to reject Stalin.

Which is actually a great thing though. Fuck Stalin.

[Comintern1919]

Australia. Basically nearly all individuals and parties from at least the anglophone countries (as well as many other countries) who label themselves as MLs always uphold Stalin (and often Mao). It could very well be different in Germany, but you are the first Marxist-Leninist I've seen in a long time to reject Stalin.

Which is actually a great thing though. Fuck Stalin.

Yes, in fact, the german M-L Party, DKP, does admire Stalin. That's why I'm no member. But there's a new party forming, who is opposing this party, but I don't know much about them, yet, as they are, unfortunality, not that big. Yet.

And well, yeah, I know some M-L who think like me. But, honestly, who cares? I'm glad we both agree that we don't like Stalin. As long as I have the people in my mind, freedom and equality, I think it's okay. Don't know how to say this in english, but: "Name ist Schall und Rauch" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Faust I .

[ColonelCossack]

Everyone else on this forum who labels themselves a 'Marxist-Leninist' (and every other self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist I've known) does so knowing that the term is widely understood to be in reference to either the official state ideology of the Soviet Union during the period of Stalin's rule, or in reference to the specific analysis and political positions of Uncle Jo (despite his comparatively small volume of theoretical work). Obviously, there is quite an overlap between the two..

I don't think that the names matter, it's what the terms mean. I support Marx and lenin, so if anyone calls me an M-L, I don't mind (though I would still self describe as just a leninist).

But, yeah, tendency wars are BAD.

@comintern1919:
welcome, comrade, to Revleft! :lol:

[Bronco]

Welcome to the forum, but as previously mentioned you should change your avatar, due to the nature of this site it's really not a good idea to be identifiable

[Leftsolidarity]

Everyone else on this forum who labels themselves a 'Marxist-Leninist' (and every other self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist I've known) does so knowing that the term is widely understood to be in reference to either the official state ideology of the Soviet Union during the period of Stalin's rule, or in reference to the specific analysis and political positions of Uncle Jo (despite his comparatively small volume of theoretical work). Obviously, there is quite an overlap between the two.


No

[Born in the USSR]

I'm Marxist-Leninist, strongly against Stalinism

When the German condemns Stalinism,his indignation is translated into the normal language as following:"what an outrage that the USSR managed to modernize industry and to create a strong army!"Do you understand it?You should have realize what Stalinism meant for collecting forces to resist Nazism,especially against the background of cowardice and villainy shown by the Western liberals.

[Leftsolidarity]

When the German condemns Stalinism,his indignation is translated into the normal language as following:"what an outrage that the USSR managed to modernize industry and to create a strong army!"Do you understand it?You should have realize what Stalinism meant for collecting forces to resist Nazism,especially against the background of cowardice and villainy shown by the Western liberals.

What you just said should strongly offend away who understands what you are suggesting about a fellow comrade who is just joining us.

[thefinalmarch]

No
Would you mind explaining why that is incorrect, instead of dismissing it without any sort of argument?

[Leftsolidarity]

Would you mind explaining why that is incorrect, instead of dismissing it without any sort of argument?

Umm, because it simply just isn't true??....

I am basically a ML (I just don't post that because I find it would just lead to tendency ways) but I do not see Stalin as the correct line. I am also not a person who is some gigantic Stalin hater but what you said just isn't true. Trotskyists also veiw themselves as ML's aswell.

[Comintern1919]

Welcome to the forum, but as previously mentioned you should change your avatar, due to the nature of this site it's really not a good idea to be identifiable

I changed it now.




When the German condemns Stalinism,his indignation is translated into the normal language as following:"what an outrage that the USSR managed to modernize industry and to create a strong army!"Do you understand it?You should have realize what Stalinism meant for collecting forces to resist Nazism,especially against the background of cowardice and villainy shown by the Western liberals.

Do you know how much suffering the stalinist USSR backed DDR (GDR) has caused in East Germany? How much the USSR have in Poland and other european countries? I do not, and will NEVER support hurting Innocents, which I consider is against communism. Stalin and his follower caused so much suffering around the whole world. Just because he heavenly increased the soviet economy doesn't mean he's good. That's the way CAPITALISTS think, that power means more than Fairness and Justice. And sure he helped against Hitler and the 3th Reich, but he also killed many polish and jews! I don't consider Stalin any better than Hitler. Maybe a bit, but not much.




Umm, because it simply just isn't true??....

I am basically a ML (I just don't post that because I find it would just lead to tendency ways) but I do not see Stalin as the correct line. I am also not a person who is some gigantic Stalin hater but what you said just isn't true. Trotskyists also veiw themselves as ML's aswell.

See, I knew it. I hate it when people think they know what all other people think, and think, that their opinion is always the right one.

[thefinalmarch]

Umm, because it simply just isn't true??....

I am basically a ML (I just don't post that because I find it would just lead to tendency ways) but I do not see Stalin as the correct line. I am also not a person who is some gigantic Stalin hater but what you said just isn't true. Trotskyists also veiw themselves as ML's aswell.
Most Trotskyists I know label themselves as Bolshevik-Leninists rather than Marxist-Leninist, but thanks anyway for explaining your position.

[Comintern1919]

Most Trotskyists I know label themselves as Bolshevik-Leninists rather than Marxist-Leninist, but thanks anyway for explaining your position.

Again, I wonder, what exactly the difference is supposed to be? Marxist-Leninist, Bolshevik-Leninist, for Che's sake, who cares? I know enough M-L who don't like Stalin(ism). The end. That may be your, but nor everyones opinion.

[thefinalmarch]

Again, I wonder, what exactly the difference is supposed to be? Marxist-Leninist, Bolshevik-Leninist, for Che's sake, who cares? I know enough M-L who don't like Stalin(ism). The end. That may be your, but nor everyones opinion.
They tend to use the term BL instead of ML generally because either they think Stalin corrupted the term, or that the term was only ever applicable to Stalinism. Ultimately it all boils down to semantics. The end indeed.

[Born in the USSR]

I don't consider Stalin any better than Hitler.

This means that you put the matter of the WW2 in the hands both of the USSR and Nazi Germany.

This means you reject the Stalinist creation - the "authoritarian' GDR.

This means that in fact you regred that Zhukov has defeated Hitler, not Eisenhower - in this case everything would be OK.I can sympathize you.But who's to blame? Let you spit on the graves of your grandfathers - Why did they skedaddle from the Russian? Spit on the graves of brave Yanks in the Ardennes - why did they skedaddled from the Germans?

But this all the lyrics. And what's so unbearably bad organiezed in the GDR old anti-fascists Ulbricht and Honecker?

[scarletghoul]

Welcome :] good to have another ML here. Hopefully you can refine your understanding of anti-revisionism and maoism through discussions on these forums


Nice to meet a fellow comrade who isnt a degenerate such as myself.
:laugh:

[Rooster]

I have to agree with thefinalmarch; marxism-leninism and stalinism are the same thing. This is the general understanding of the word and you're the one confusing it. Read any MLs' party texts on Stalin and the USSR at that time.


Trotskyists also veiw themselves as ML's aswell.

I'm sure most trotskyists just view themselves as regular marxists. Trotsky himself referred to his ideas as bolshevik-leninist.

[Comintern1919]

This means that you put the matter of the WW2 in the hands both of the USSR and Nazi Germany.

This means you reject the Stalinist creation - the "authoritarian' GDR.

This means that in fact you regred that Zhukov has defeated Hitler, not Eisenhower - in this case everything would be OK.I can sympathize you.But who's to blame? Let you spit on the graves of your grandfathers - Why did they skedaddle from the Russian? Spit on the graves of brave Yanks in the Ardennes - why did they skedaddled from the Germans?

But this all the lyrics. And what's so unbearably bad organiezed in the GDR old anti-fascists Ulbricht and Honecker?

Skedaddled? What silly word... I just looked it up, that means (to) flee, right? And what are Yanks? Yankees? That are americans, right? So you mean, that just because the USSR and Stalin were Powerful, they were right? They were good? I don't think that's a way communist SHOULD think! That's the way imperialists think!

And I may be thaught wrong for many years in school, but as much as I know, the americans were one GREAT part in defeating Nazi-Germany. And all my teachers, my history teacher as well, lived in the GDR, so they know all first-hand, especially my history teacher, as she is quite old. And she already was a teacher in the GDR.

Are you german? If no, than you have no idea how life has been in the GDR. Sure, I wasn't there, either. But my mom was, my grandparents were, my teachers were, the friends of all them were, the families of them, and they all agree that they hadn't a good life, and were glad the Mauer and the GDR did fall. I don't say everything was bad. Most East Germans agree that they were much closer, much more comrade-like. They helped each other, 'cause thanks to the authoritarian Politbüro (yes, they were authorian!). Just because someone or something is communist, doesn't mean it's good. And if so many were against it (the Berliner Mauerfall shows how much were), it cant be good. I may be only one of few who think so, but I think, that communism is about the PEOPLE, that they can become HAPPY, EQUAL, which they weren't in the GDR. Of course the member of the SED were, as they had more than the average, the poorer german, WHICH IS AGAINST ALL WHAT COMMUNISM STANDS FOR, This is the way capitalists life! And don't you dare to say it wasn't so, it was, or do all my family, all the germans who crossed the Berliner Mauer, who cried that they could flee, do all those people lie? Well, I know for sure, my mom doesn't, as she isn't against communism, but is clearly against the GDR. Just seearch for "Berliner Mauerfall" at youtube, and see, how much people were GREATLY happy.

And, as I had to write quite often, sure, Stalin made the USSR powerful, yes, they had a great deal ending WW2 (even though Stalin and Hitler had a pact of non-aggression, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which HITLER broke, NOT Stalin, and which secured Stalin an imperialist-like goal, half of Poland), but POWER doesn't mean it's GOOD! That's the way capitalists think. In communism, it's about the PEOPLE, FAIRNESS, EQUALITY for the WEAK.


Welcome :] good to have another ML here. Hopefully you can refine your understanding of anti-revisionism and maoism through discussions on these forums

I hope, and I'm sure, that I will have many discussions, and will rethink some of my ideas, but I will NEVER like Maoism, if just for the cultural revolution and Mao himself, who I don't like.


I have to agree with thefinalmarch; marxism-leninism and stalinism are the same thing. This is the general understanding of the word and you're the one confusing it. Read any MLs' party texts on Stalin and the USSR at that time.

You know what? I may be one of few (even though most german M-L I know think like me, so enough do), but I don't care. If I read Marxism-Leninism, I think of Marx, the father of communism, and Lenin, the thinker, who was very critical of Stalin (!), and NOTHING ELSE! And I am BY FAR not the only one who does so. If you read more meaning in it, do so, I don't care. I know what I want, that's enough. And by the way, in germany, there are only one M-L party, which is for Stalin, and one party who is just building up, who is, as much as I know, also M-L but against Stalinism.

[Born in the USSR]

Are you german? If no, than you have no idea how life has been in the GDR.

I think I have idea what was the life in GDR,because I leaved in the USSR.


they all agree that they hadn't a good life,

And I can guess why."Here we have only five kinds of chees,but there in the West they have fifty kinds of cheese.No way to live!"


And if so many were against it (the Berliner Mauerfall shows how much were), it cant be good.... HAPPY, EQUAL, which they weren't in the GDR.

In other words,the GDR fell because it was bad.The FRG exists because it is good.In the FRG people are EQUAL and HAPPY.

[Comintern1919]

I think I have idea what was the life in GDR,because I leaved in the USSR.

The great, big leading country USSR and the small, economical weak GDR... Yes, exactly the same, like USA and Greece are the same, one poerful, the other near being bankrupt.


And I can guess why."Here we have only five kinds of chees,but there in the West they have fifty kinds of cheese.No way to live!"

Ha, funny, that is EXACTLY the same I think, and I critice my teacher for that. Your'e absolutly, with no compromisses, right. However, that wasn't what I meant. And that wasn't the main reason people were unhappy. Ever heard of the "Stasi"? The "Staatsicherheitspolizei"? One of the most INfamous word in germany. It was the secret Police in East Germany. It encuraged people to spy on their OWN family, friends, even their own childs. Even today you hear every year, sometimes even month, about another file that was found, and which describes the giant spy network, with father telling on their childs, getting them in Jail for several years, just because they said their opinion. Veeery nice, exactly what communism wants... For me, that's just another form of suppression, not better than the oppression the capitalists do and the fascists did. Ever heard of the "GESTAPO"? The fascist "Geheime Staatspolizei"? Created by Hitler? Not much difference between them, huh. Germans were already traumatized by one totalitarian, authoritarian opressor, than came the soviets, and made East Germany into ANOTHER oppressiv, authoritarian state. Even worse, they did it UNDER the name of communism. Good way to make the people believe in communism, the "best" that could happen, indeed...


In other words,the GDR fell because it was bad.The FRG exists because it is good.In the FRG people are EQUAL and HAPPY.


Exactly that's why it fell, except the thing with the FRG, of course. And I never said that I support the capitalist BRD (FRG) IN ANY WAY. But the people over there were more happy than in the GDR, which shouldn't be, right. I just say, that the "communism" of the GDR was in no way real communism, which encourage FREEDOM, not OPPRESSION.

[Leftsolidarity]

This means that you put the matter of the WW2 in the hands both of the USSR and Nazi Germany.

This means you reject the Stalinist creation - the "authoritarian' GDR.

This means that in fact you regred that Zhukov has defeated Hitler, not Eisenhower - in this case everything would be OK.I can sympathize you.But who's to blame? Let you spit on the graves of your grandfathers - Why did they skedaddle from the Russian? Spit on the graves of brave Yanks in the Ardennes - why did they skedaddled from the Germans?

But this all the lyrics. And what's so unbearably bad organiezed in the GDR old anti-fascists Ulbricht and Honecker?

Your posts are nothing but offensive nationalist patriotic soviet nastolgia bullshit. You didn't live in the GDR so don't tell this man to be so proud of it and to not "spit on the graves of his grandfathers". Seriously, you are extremely rude and I don't see why you patriotic nationalism is even allowed on here.

[Born in the USSR]

The great, big leading country USSR and the small, economical weak GDR.

So what? Both countries had the same poliyical system. The living standard in the GDR was higher than in the USSR.In fact it was the similar countries, just a difference was only in little things.


Originally Posted by Comintern1919 http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2177833#post2177833)
Ever heard of the "Stasi"? Oh, "Stasi"!They din it into the ears.Didn't the FRG have it's own counter-intelligence?

Ever heard of a "ban on the profession" in the FRG?

Ever heard of RAF? It was an extreme form of social protest. Was the couse of it a good life?


.Originally Posted by Comintern1919 http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2177833#post2177833)
And if so many were against it (the Berliner Mauerfall shows how much were), it cant be good. I'll tell you allegorically:

Hetaera Callisto once sarcastically told Socrates, that if she wants, she convert all his friends and students, but he, Socrates,cannot do the same woth her friends.

- Of course - said the philosopher .- You are in a better position:after all, you call people to go down, and I - to climb up.

The FRG was in the better position,too.

[Born in the USSR]

Your posts are nothing but offensive nationalist patriotic soviet nastolgia bullshit. You didn't live in the GDR so don't tell this man to be so proud of it and to not "spit on the graves of his grandfathers". Seriously, you are extremely rude and I don't see why you patriotic nationalism is even allowed on here.

At first,Soviet patriotism is progressive,btw,unlike your Euro-American racism that appears constantly here and there at this forum.At second,I defence here not the USSR but the real socialism,upon wich you try to spit.

[Leftsolidarity]

At first,Soviet patriotism is progressive

So progressive it doesn't even exist anymore?:rolleyes: I'm not a USSR hater at all but come on. You sound absolutely ridiculous.


btw,unlike your Euro-American racism that appears constantly here and there at this forum.

Oh? My Euro-American racism? It's constantly appearing on this forum? Please show me. Also, how about you show a mod or admin? Let mommy and daddy decide if I am spewwing this "Euro-American racism" or shut up and stop making stuff up.


At second,I defence here not the USSR but the real socialism,upon wich you try to spit.

The REAL socialism? What would that be? Do I spit on real socialism like the OP apparently spits on his grandfather's grave?

[Rafiq]

Welcome, Cominterm.

Your views appear to be anything ranging from Guevarist to Trotskyist.

However, you will soon come to realize that here on Revleft, you'll learn a lot of new things, and in the process, your views will change and evolve in different ways.

Anyway, welcome aboard!

[Comintern1919]

Welcome, Cominterm.

Your views appear to be anything ranging from Guevarist to Trotskyist.

However, you will soon come to realize that here on Revleft, you'll learn a lot of new things, and in the process, your views will change and evolve in different ways.

Anyway, welcome aboard!

Guevarist? Does such exist ^_^? Well, yes, That's the reason I caame here, to discuss and learn new things. And I'm sure my views will change. I'm not stupid, like some other... I'm indeed clever, so if someone can convince me of his view, I'll cladly rethink.




So what? Both countries had the same poliyical system. The living standard in the GDR was higher than in the USSR.In fact it was the similar countries, just a difference was only in little things.

Of course, it was soooo better. I don't think your right, but even if your right, that shouldn't mean much. Or is it a sign of a good living standart, when peole have to wait in a long line, to have the STANDARD food, breed and meat. Imagine living a year with only bananas, with only one sort of meat (if you get one at all), waiting for those things almost half a day. Very good standard. And that came from my mom herself, who I asked what I should answer you, as she lived there for her first 20 Years.

And yeah, only small differences between the two, the one a superpower, competing with the USA, the other small, directly at the line of western and eastern bloc (Iron Curtain).




Oh, "Stasi"!They din it into the ears.Didn't the FRG have it's own counter-intelligence?

Of course they had!
1st EVERY country had one, it was the damn COLD WAR.
2nd They didn't make people spy on their own family. They didn't put people for years in jail, just for saying their opinion.




Ever heard of a "ban on the profession" in the FRG?
Yeah, of course I have. You seem to think that I like the FRG. Which I don't. However, didn't the GDR do the same? Teacher wasn't allowed tho work if they weren't communists, if they didn't wanted to teach Propaganda. Beamte (who work in state jobs) had to be communists, too. If you weren't communist, you boss could fire you without a reason. Tell me, WHERE THE FUCK is the difference? I don't know how it was in the USSR, as I DIDN'T LIVED THERE, however, I'm pretty sure it was the same. I mean, you said yourself, that the GDR and the USSR are the same.




Ever heard of RAF? It was an extreme form of social protest. Was the couse of it a good life?

Yeah, of course I have, and no, that wasn't the cause. HOWEVER, the cause was also not a bad life. Due to imperialist USA actions, like the Vienam-War, Anti-US was rising in germany. The RAF thought of themselves as part of the international Anti-Imperialism. Consult the english Wikipedia and countless of other sources, though I think the most correct are the german sources.

Besides, I wouldn't count it as "social protest" anyway, but rather terrorists. In a social protests, in COMMUNISM revolutions, you DO NOT kill and hurt innocents, which RAF did.




I'll tell you allegorically:

Hetaera Callisto once sarcastically told Socrates, that if she wants, she convert all his friends and students, but he, Socrates,cannot do the same woth her friends.

- Of course - said the philosopher .- You are in a better position:after all, you call people to go down, and I - to climb up.

The FRG was in the better position,too.

Yeah, the FRG was, and won. Why? because the GDR and the USSR made people believe that communism = oppression, and capitalism = freedom, which most people still think. Thanks, USSR! Thanks, GDR! Nice work.

And your example is faulty. Socrates was a philosoph, non of the leaders of the USSR and GDR were since Lenin. He didn't made people think like him with VIOLENCE and OPPRESSION, like USSR, but with rethoric, with TALKING. Like all real communist did. The only violence allowed are Revolutions, but even there it is only allowed against the Government, NOT the people.




At first,Soviet patriotism is progressive,btw,unlike your Euro-American racism that appears constantly here and there at this forum.At second,I defence here not the USSR but the real socialism,upon wich you try to spit.

Real socialism, HAH, don't make me laugh! How can it be real socialism, if the leading people, the people of the party, live better then the common folk? Isn't that a trademark of CAPITALISM?! Communism is about EQUALITY! About FREEDOM! And don't you dare saying it wasn't like this in the GDR, it WAS. We know it, since they didn't tried to hide it. They even said so themselves after the "Berliner Mauerfall".

How can you, as a supposedly communist, call such corruptness "Real" socialism?

[thefinalmarch]

Welcome, Cominterm.

Your views appear to be anything ranging from Guevarist to Trotskyist.

However, you will soon come to realize that here on Revleft, you'll learn a lot of new things, and in the process, your views will change and evolve in different ways.

Anyway, welcome aboard!
Does Guevaraism actually exist as a coherent tendency? What is its theoretical basis?

[Rafiq]

Yes it exists. It's a mix of Maoism and Focioism.

If not, than she may be a Castroist, I don't know..

[Comintern1919]

Yes it exists. It's a mix of Maoism and Focioism.

If not, than she may be a Castroist, I don't know..

Well, I never heard of it, and I won't use that ever, as I think that's stupid. Kinda. Ernesto was a revolutionary, not a philosoph. He had many new ideas about how revolutions should be, yes, maybe even some new ideas of how socialism shoulb be implemented, but not as much as to call someone "Guevarist". That's my opinion, and I don't seem to be the only one who never heard of it.

And with "she" you hopefully don't mean me, as I am a "he". If not, who do you mean?



Oh, and as I am writing a post anyway (I'm not impatient, it's just a good moment to write): I hope to hear something from "Born in the USSR" again, if only to tell me how "stupid" I am and that he won't discuss with me anymore.

[CommieTroll]

If you are a big Che fan then why do want the CCCP back to stop American imperialism? Che spoke out against CCCP imperialism and favored China over the CCCP in the Sino-Soviet split, you need to hit up Marxists.org lol, other than that Welcome!:)

[Rafiq]

Well, I never heard of it, and I won't use that ever, as I think that's stupid. Kinda. Ernesto was a revolutionary, not a philosoph. He had many new ideas about how revolutions should be, yes, maybe even some new ideas of how socialism shoulb be implemented, but not as much as to call someone "Guevarist". That's my opinion, and I don't seem to be the only one who never heard of it.

And with "she" you hopefully don't mean me, as I am a "he". If not, who do you mean?



Oh, and as I am writing a post anyway (I'm not impatient, it's just a good moment to write): I hope to hear something from "Born in the USSR" again, if only to tell me how "stupid" I am and that he won't discuss with me anymore.

oh, my mistake, I must have accidently said she instead of he :blushing:

Anyhow, yes, the Stalinists on this forum tend to be vicious.

[Rooster]

I hope to hear something from "Born in the USSR" again, if only to tell me how "stupid" I am and that he won't discuss with me anymore.

Don't bother with Born in the USSR. He's just a nationalist troll.

[Comintern1919]

If you are a big Che fan then why do want the CCCP back to stop American imperialism? Che spoke out against CCCP imperialism and favored China over the CCCP in the Sino-Soviet split, you need to hit up Marxists.org lol, other than that Welcome!:)

Of course I know that, if you would have read the discussions here, you'd know I absolutly don't like the USSR. However, China becomes more and more even less of a socialist country then the USSR was. I don't like any of them, but the USSR was at least an powerful enough to stop the USA. This world is full of shit, and often you (unfortunality) have to be okay with what you get. For the time. I rather have an imperialist quasi-not-really-communist USSR and an imperialist capitalist USA fighting each other, so none of them becomes too powerful. This way there's enough time for a real socialist revolution.

And I HATE that Fan-Boy Thing. Just because I'm a big fan, and a great admierer of Che, doesn't mean I agree with everything he said and did, and don't see the many mistakes he made. Nothing in this world, except children, is perfect, and those people who think everything of what they are fan of is good, are stupid and extrem annoying.




Don't bother with Born in the USSR. He's just a nationalist troll.

Yeah, but it's fun to crush everything he say's with a much better argument ^_^ .

[Comintern1919]

I hope it's not bad that I write it, if, delete this post, but:

I'm proud to tell you, that my introduction has the most views, and the most posts, second only to ImStalinist's Introduction with the name, well, "I am a Stalinist". Though his is mostly trolling, while mine has serious discussings ^_^. Let's see if any new member can top that!

[socialist_n_TN]

Check out Trotsky. The Marxist road not taken.

[ellipsis]

welcome comrade!

[Comintern1919]

welcome comrade!

You are several days (more than 10 days) too late, comrade :) .

I already had several very lively discussions here .

But still, thank you, better to late than never :) !